My factual demolition of the anti-Snowden story has been read by hundreds of thousands of people, very probably millions, around the internet, 50,000 so far on this site alone, and tweeted by thousands of people. It has been tweeted at – repeatedly – every single mainstream media journalist who has been repeating the government propaganda.
The extraordinary thing is that no jurnalist, anywhere, has made any attempt to deny the facts I give. Not one journalist in the entire crowd of corporate media paid lackeys at the BBC, Sunday Times, Reuters or anywhere at all has addressed or tried to refute the facts which make it impossible that their Snowden story is true. They have not addressed it in their publications or even tried to defend themselves on social media. Not one journalist, not anywhere. (One or two have pointed out that the fifth point is an ad hominem, which is true. Not all ad hominems are invalid, but the first four facts destroy the argument anyway).
Neither has there been any response from the “safe” retired diplomats or security consultants the mainstream media can generally roll out on these occasions.
So here is a challenge to the Sunday Times, BBC and rest of the mainstream media. If your story is true, where exactly are my facts wrong? If you refuse to address this, why do you consider yourself a journalist?
To avoid you “journalists” having to do even a click of research, here is my article again:
Five Reasons the MI6 Story is a Lie
The Sunday Times has a story claiming that Snowden’s revelations have caused danger to MI6 and disrupted their operations. Here are five reasons it is a lie.
1) The alleged Downing Street source is quoted directly in italics. Yet the schoolboy mistake is made of confusing officers and agents. MI6 is staffed by officers. Their informants are agents. In real life, James Bond would not be a secret agent. He would be an MI6 officer. Those whose knowledge comes from fiction frequently confuse the two. Nobody really working with the intelligence services would do so, as the Sunday Times source does. The story is a lie.
2) The argument that MI6 officers are at danger of being killed by the Russians or Chinese is a nonsense. No MI6 officer has been killed by the Russians or Chinese for 50 years. The worst that could happen is they would be sent home. Agents’ – generally local people, as opposed to MI6 officers – identities would not be revealed in the Snowden documents. Rule No.1 in both the CIA and MI6 is that agents’ identities are never, ever written down, neither their names nor a description that would allow them to be identified. I once got very, very severely carpeted for adding an agents’ name to my copy of an intelligence report in handwriting, suggesting he was a useless gossip and MI6 should not be wasting their money on bribing him. And that was in post communist Poland, not a high risk situation.
3) MI6 officers work under diplomatic cover 99% of the time. Their alias is as members of the British Embassy, or other diplomatic status mission. A portion are declared to the host country. The truth is that Embassies of different powers very quickly identify who are the spies in other missions. MI6 have huge dossiers on the members of the Russian security services – I have seen and handled them. The Russians have the same. In past mass expulsions, the British government has expelled 20 or 30 spies from the Russian Embassy in London. The Russians retaliated by expelling the same number of British diplomats from Moscow, all of whom were not spies! As a third of our “diplomats” in Russia are spies, this was not coincidence. This was deliberate to send the message that they knew precisely who the spies were, and they did not fear them.
4) This anti Snowden non-story – even the Sunday Times admits there is no evidence anybody has been harmed – is timed precisely to coincide with the government’s new Snooper’s Charter act, enabling the security services to access all our internet activity. Remember that GCHQ already has an archive of 800,000 perfectly innocent British people engaged in sex chats online.
5) The paper publishing the story is owned by Rupert Murdoch. It is sourced to the people who brought you the dossier on Iraqi Weapons of Mass Destruction, every single “fact” in which proved to be a fabrication. Why would you believe the liars now?
There you have five reasons the story is a lie.
Please communicate this challenge to the “journalist” of your choice.
RoS
The ISIS story from Bradford, were it true, would push all the emotional buttons perfectly: the husbands betrayed by their wives for murdering traitorous bad guys ( which in the Thatcher era used to be sleeping with the hairy builders working on the family home while hubby was at work ); the infants unrecorded on the plane ( I’ve just had a full ticket refund by an absolutely meticulous Turkish Airlines; the Yorkshire solicitors talking Yorkshire ( a mixture of Geoffrey Boycott blarney and balls )
You couldn’t make it up, but apparently they do.
Re Craig’s headline – “The Truth Avoided by Mainstream Media”
I am surprised that anyone still believes that Britain has a free press at all. Even Rupert Murdoch tweeted – No such thing as Free Press in UK. Many Journalists, from Denis Lehane in his story “Unperson – a Life Destroyed” to top journalist Philip Knightley (twice UK Journalist of the Year) have commented on this form of censorship.
On March 24 2005 my wife and I went to The Guardian in Manchester, UK in person and described to them how our family was being illegally persecuted, and the government covering it up. Returning home from The Guardian’s Office we were threatened, and this was only the first of many threats that followed. A couple of years ago, I wrote an article on my own shocking (well witnessed I might add) experiences when I took my story to the Guardian. Here it is:
“The Guardian in America – Icon of the Left or too close to British Intelligence”
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/01/29/1182880/-The-Guardian-in-America-Icon-of-the-left-or-too-close-to-British-Intelligence#
And there were two sequels. I have the Impression that MI6 is very protective of its assets – at home and abroad using it’s FYES partners such as Canada’s CSIS.
6 years after my first visit to the Guardian – on the 4/5th March 2011 – I corresponded with Jeff Stein of the Washington Post about my “The Guardian” story. I was now living in Calgary, Canada. The following day – Sunday 6 March 2011 – I was walking down 30 Avenue SW in Calgary near the corner with 14th Street SW. The roads were covered with hard packed and slippery snow. Two hoods skidded across the road deliberately and rapidly in a truck just as I walked past them. They then got out of the truck. When I questioned the larger of the two guys (6’ 4’’ plus) about his dangerous driving asking him if it was deliberate and aimed at me, he started swearing and got very threatening. I was told that it’s because I “don’t know my place”.
And yet another Guardian incident in 2012: On Aug 17 2012 I published commentary in “Media Lens” entitled “Guardian is too close to MI5 / MI6”. That same day (PM) a car nearly drove one of my sons and a friend (who was driving) off the road near Zurich. There was reason to believe that I would have been in the same vehicle, except that I nearly always use public transport these days for obvious reasons.
There is so much evidence from the experiences of myself and many others that the MSM is “influenced by our security/intelligence services” to a point that amounts to censorship of the press.
“The ISIS story from Bradford, were it true, would push all the emotional buttons perfectly: the husbands betrayed by their wives for murdering traitorous bad guys ( which in the Thatcher era used to be sleeping with the hairy builders working on the family home while hubby was at work ); the infants unrecorded on the plane ( I’ve just had a full ticket refund by an absolutely meticulous Turkish Airlines; the Yorkshire solicitors talking Yorkshire ( a mixture of Geoffrey Boycott blarney and balls )
You couldn’t make it up, but apparently they do.”
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Yes Giyane, not content with pushing the grown up sons making their way to Syria,to make Jihad,we now have whole families on a quest to Syria to fight for ISIS.
To me anyway it’s a preposterous attempt by the media guided by Whitehall,to try and shock the general public into a anti-Islamic stance.
Once they’ve shocked enough of the public,into rebuilding their Anderson Shelters, and screams from the gallery to “Save Us from Terrorism” then the boots on the ground,will to the obedient masses be seen as normal.
I have enormous respect and gratitude to Tom Drake. Tom recognises that the Iraq war was the result of a ‘false flag’ in that ‘trumped up’ intelligence was used to invade Iraq. Tom has kept an open-mind about the events of September 11th 2001 and confirms NSA was culpable in those events and NSA related records [38:20] are so highly confidential they could not be provided to the investigating commission and remain sealed to this day.
In fact the mass bulk collection of communication metadata and content by GCHQ/NSA is to identify what is known, who knows what and who disseminates highly classified information that would catastrophically harm UK/US national integrity with a consequential undoing of close on a century of sustaining and developing world power.
http://www.opednews.com/populum/podcasts/thomas-drake-2014-part-2-20140122-546.mp3
RoS
Yes, unfortunately I took out mine a long time ago.
Roderick Russell
Your experiences with big brother are always worth a reminder. I don’t know why they picked on you but I do believe that CEOs of corporations who don’t receive the requisite respect their ridiculously high salaries lead them to feel they are due, have access to blacklisting facilities.
From 2001 the manufactured stories sold to the US about suspected enemy combatants in Afghanistan led to their torture and encarceration. Similarly the malicious lies on corporate blacklists may be used by intelligence agencies to incriminate people like you.
The ISIS story from Bradford, were it true, would push all the emotional buttons perfectly
Do please remember that what all the little boys and girls who go to journo school these days (shabby drunk journos with interesting lives are very rare now) are taught to do is to emphasise ‘human interest’ in their productions. Not as part of an Establishment plot, but because it sells newspapers, programmes, whatever. And that is because the majority of readers do not think, as we do, ‘Why should I believe this?’, but ‘Aaaahhh,,the poor little things’. Then they read the first par (which the journos and journettes put the bones of the story in) and move on to the next headline…. No newspaper proprietor ever went bust underestimating the intelligence of his audience, to adapt an old saying.
I’ll be told I’m an elitist cynic lacking an affinity with The People for that. But it’s still true.
RoS
Anderson shelter. not family. Apologies
The Whitehall/Westminster mouthpiece,(no not Habb,well not on this occasion anyway) the Telegraph newspaper,taking a rather sarcastic approach to conspiracies from the banking crisis to the war in Iraq.
Does anyone believe a word the Telegraph prints anymore?
Maybe the Telegraph thinks by addressing this issue,it will gain some street cred…..it won’t.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/men/thinking-man/11671617/Perhaps-the-worlds-conspiracy-theorists-have-been-right-all-along.html
Dear Reliably
thanks for the link I almost wet myself laughing at the CNN performance of ‘Tom Harper’. He was like a ‘lower sixth’ Billy Bunter who has failed his exams. If that s the calibre of ‘journalists’ then I am not sure there is much to fear.
His interview was……….. umm eh umm eh well …………we don’t know um …. well yeh ummm…………ummmmmm..
Surely one of the most inept and ludicrous interviews seen in a long time.
i had to come to the conclusion that the ‘story’ is a farce but far from being the work of fiendish plotters and ‘agents’ of the state I sense that these were just three numpties who had strayed out of the depth. However that does not fully explain the quality of the editorial process and it does leave a question mark over whether the press is now in the hands of utter plonkers or whether they have become so desensitised to unadulterated pish that they now don’t know it when it slaps them in the face.
Ba’al:
“shabby drunk journos with interesting lives are very rare now”
Maybe even that was a myth, concealing the same pressure from the establishment intelligence agencies to create scarey myths, to get work, as exists today.
Maybe there never was any other choice than pushing out govt. propaganda, if you wanted to get paid. The booze, like Charles Kennedy, was to cope with forced insincerity, a vicious circle of having to utter untruths to hold onto your position, and only occasionally being able to use your position to utter truths.
Eh Macky?
Poor wee Bibi, and Israel,always oppressed by some nation or sect,this time it’s BDS,that’s the bad guy.
Of course,no mention of why BDS are trying to make things tough for Bibi,and Israel,it would appear to Bibi and Israeli’s that BDS are bad,and Israel is good.
Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu says the international boycott campaign against the regime equals the sufferings imposed on the Jews during the Nazi rule in Germany.
“What was done to the Jewish people then is being done to” Israel now, he said on Monday in a meeting with Polish Foreign Minister Grzegorz Schetyna.
The Israeli premier was launching a broadside against the pro-Palestinian Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions (BDS) campaign. The campaign is aimed at increasing economic and political pressure on Israel and end the Israeli occupation and colonization of Palestinian lands, besides pursuing respect for the right of return of Palestinian refugees.
The campaign has attracted subscribers worldwide, including some European businesses, which have taken stand against Israel’s illegal settlement activities on the occupied Palestinian land.
See what I mean.
The old-school journos were heavy drinkiers, not because they were tools of the trade, but because like cops they used to see the seamy side of people. They didn’t make a lot of money and consequently identified with the suffering of the masses under the spell of their betters. If you wanted to make some money you had to write a book.
Now that they can make oodles of cash, they identify more with the status quo so that they can keep what they kill, and then they write their book as a bonus.
“Anderson shelter. not family. Apologies”
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Giyane just noticed your comment, now that’s funny.
Hold on to your hats the man with fly away hair do, Donald Trump,has announced he’ll run for US president.
The US race for the presidency just became very interesting.
After the 2 Lords Janner and Carlile cock-up, Habba and Anon1 have been told to stay out of issues they can’t understand. They made such fools both of themselves and the dirty tricks department of UK politics that they have been asked to stand down and leave comments to the professionals.
David Cameron has been instructed to create diversions in the nonsensical long grass of European Tory party objections. Newspapers are flooding us as RoS says with ISIS stories. Anybody who believes a single word of them would be well advised to listening to Radio 2 while running on a squirrel cage. Christopher Lee rises from his grave.
The wasters were out in force at Ascot today. The royal arms salesman was there with Mum and Dad and young nephew.
Hats galore and plenty of rich Arabs from the UAE.
She’s in the pink! The Queen cuts an elegant figure in cerise as she arrives at Royal Ascot with Harry, Beatrice, Charles and Camilla
The Queen has arrived for the first day of racing wearing a cerise ensemble by couturier Peter Enrione
She was joined in the first carriage by Prince Harry, the Duke of York and the Duke of Edinburgh
Prince Charles, the Duchess of Cornwall and Princess Beatrice travelled in the second landau
Although she has no runners today, the Queen has six horses running on Wednesday and Thursday
Zara and Mike Tindall, Peter Phillips and the Earl and Countess of Wessex also in the Royal Enclosure
Also there was eventer William Fox-Pitt, his wife Alice Plunkett and Camilla’s daughter Laura Lopes
Prince and Princess Michael of Kent also attended, the latter still wearing her black eye patch
Mohammed bin Ahmed Jaber Al Harbi, eight, was back – a week after delighting the Queen at the Derby
He was accompanied by Dubai’s emir, Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid Al Makhtoum and his wife Princess Haya
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-3126151/She-s-pink-Queen-cuts-elegant-figure-cerise-arrives-Royal-Ascot-Harry-Beatrice-Charles-Camilla.html
Austerity? What austerity?
For another example of the msm not daring to challenge obvious cobblers, consider the official narrative of Osama bin Laden’s alleged burial at sea. According to Pentagon documents released in response to FOI requests this funeral took place at noon local time aboard the USS Carl Vinson. It lasted for 50 (!) minutes and not one member of the ship’s complement saw it. There are over 3,000 sailors and – I believe – 2,000 airmen aboard this aircraft carrier. The story is plainly absurd but no journalist as far as I am aware has had the temerity to point this out. I mean, apart from anything else, the security aboard that ship must be terrible if you can hold a funeral on deck without the bloke in the crow’s nest noticing 🙂
@John Goss, don’t take the cowardly Komodo Dragon’s words to heart; he’s an end-of-empire loyal foot soldier & brain-washed cold war victim, & like Craig & RD, he views Russians as the Greatest Evil.
Giyane; “Eh Macky?”
What is it you are trying to say about Craig’s fondness for the hard stuff ?! 😉
The Forgotten Costs of War in the Middle East
June 14, 2015.
I’m sure that you’ve heard about the three bare-bones “staging outposts” or, in the lingo of the trade, “cooperative security locations” that the U.S. Marines have established in Senegal, Ghana, and Gabon. We’re talking about personnel from Special Purpose Marine Air-Ground Task Force Crisis Response-Africa, a unit at present garrisoned at Morón, Spain. It would, however, like to have some bases — though that’s not a word in use at U.S. Africa Command (AFRICOM), which oversees all such expansion — ready to receive them in a future in which anything might happen in an Africa exploding with new or expanding terror outfits.
Really? You haven’t noticed anything on the subject? Admittedly, the story wasn’t on the nightly news, nor did it make the front page of your local paper, or undoubtedly its inside pages either, but honestly it was right there in plain sight in Military Times! Of course, three largely unoccupied cooperative security locations in countries that aren’t exactly on the tip of the American tongue would be easy enough to miss under the best of circumstances, but what about the other eight “staging facilities” that AFRICOM now admits to having established across Africa. The command had previously denied that it had any “bases” on the continent other than the ever-expanding one it established in the tiny nation of Djibouti in the horn of Africa and into which it has already sunk three-quarters of a billion dollars with at least $1.2 billion in upgrades still to go. However, AFRICOM’S commander, General David Rodriguez, now proudly insists that the 11 bare-bones outposts will leave U.S. forces “within four hours of all the high-risk, high-threat [diplomatic] posts” on the continent.
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The article continues
The Truth About Diego Garcia
And 50 Years of Fiction About an American Military Base
By David Vine
http://www.tomdispatch.com/blog/176010/
Macky
I wasn’t thinking about booze, I was thinking about the necessity of selling bananas, like the FCO garbage about Ukraine, on the same stall as cutting the establishment’s jugular vein.
Craig uses booze on the functional model, which is to say it serves an easily self-understood private function of good mental health. It is the world that is insane.
I myself believe we owe Craig a huge thank-you for his contribution to integrity and truth and the generosity he extends in time and effort to maintaining this forum despite the pressure of supporting his family and authoring a major works on Captain Sir Alexander Burnes.
It is perhaps fitting in this thread to recall a press release from the Oxford Union:
We are delighted to be welcoming several previous Sam Adams awardees, including Coleen Rowley, Katharine Gun, Craig Murray, Thomas Drake, and Julian Assange (by video-stream) — as well as other Sam Adams associates from both sides of the Atlantic, including Ray McGovern, Brady Kiesling, Davdi McMichael, Elizabeth Murray, Todd Pierce and Ann Wright.
https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2013/01/tom-fingar-winds-sam-adams-award/
To rightfully place Craig Murray amongst those who demonstrated a commitment to truth and integrity, no matter the consequences.
I would say this is on-topic, because it involves the biggest media cover-up in history:
Just recently a toxic algal bloom has triggered the closure of shellfish fisheries along almost the entire west coast of North America, from California, up through Oregon, Washington, British Columbia and into Alaska.
California:
http://www.dfg.ca.gov/marine/healthadvisory.asp
Oregon:
http://www.oregon.gov/oda/programs/foodsafety/shellfish/pages/shellfishclosures.aspx
Washington:
https://fortress.wa.gov/doh/eh/maps/biotoxin/biotoxin.html
British Columbia:
http://www.pac.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/fm-gp/contamination/biotox/index-eng.html
As far as I’m aware, such a massive closure of fisheries for health reasons has never happened before; it’s unprecedented. It is being reported in the media (they could hardly do otherwise, since multi-million dollar fishing industries are going down the swaney)…
http://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/health/toxic-algae-bloom-might-be-largest-ever/
… but of course the ‘F’ word and ‘R’ word never get mentioned, and we’re told that the bloom is due to ‘domoic acid’; which might be true, but what’s causing the plankton to die-off and produce this acid?
http://www.shanghaidaily.com/article/article_xinhua.aspx?id=279491
These plankton, as well as being the basis of the food chain, produce 70% of the world’s oxygen, as I’m sure the Daily Rag won’t tell you anytime soon.
Mary
“cerise”
I watched a pigeon yesterday trying hold onto some very flexible cherry branches to eat the half-ripe fruit. It spent half the time upside down.
I am sure that BLiar is quaking in his designer shoes at the content of this exposé. NOT.
Globetrotter Tony Blair’s £16,000 weekly bill for security… that YOU pay for: Former PM ‘travelling to five countries a week with team of eight police officers’
The former PM is visiting up to five countries a week with police protection
Taxpayers are having to foot the £16,000 weekly bill for the police team
Reportedly also uses the trips for business meetings and as part of his job
His salary and that of advisers and consultants cost £57million over four years
12 June 2015
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3120860/Globetrotter-Blair-s-16-000-weekly-bill-security-pay-Former-PM-said-travelling-five-countries-week-team-eight-police-officers.html
Mark
100% agree.
RobG
Shanghai Daily. Duly bookmarked for future news.
More truths avoided by Western mainstream media liars:
“Folker Hellmeyer, chief economist at Bremer Landesbank, has no doubts about the future of the global economic system: The axis Moscow-Beijing-BRICS will prevail against the old hegemon USA.”
Excellent discussion of Europe’s economic suicide to maintain US/UK banking hegemony.
http://russia-insider.com/en/german-top-banker-russia-and-china-will-defeat-usa/ri7988
Giyane 4.11 above – “I don’t know why they picked on you”.
Giyane, I don’t know either. I certainly had not expected to be blacklisted since I have done an excellent and very honest job for every company that I have worked for. In fact as a Chartered Accountant working in industry I was considered by my contempories’ then to be a bit of a high flier. If anyone wants to contest this statement, let them comment now.
Since I hadn’t expected this criminal treatment, and hadn’t done anything to deserve it, it took me a long time to understand what was happening.
My wife thinks it is about petty jealousies – i.e. minor figures were able to gear up a connected idiot with no brains for their own amusement and he set the filth on me. A gentleman who was close to political power in Canada (including a Chief of Staff to a former Premier) told me that my enemies didn’t think it a big deal anyway since it only took a 30 second phone call to MI5/6 or CSIS to get it started and he further told me that my enemies are upset that I should fight back. Indeed he told me that he didn’t think I would get this story out, but that if I did it is “as big as Watergate”. Stanley Baldwin summed it up when he referred to – power without responsibility, the prerogative of the harlot throughout the ages.
Nevertheless it is a shocking indictment on rule of law and the press that these things can happen. For any who are still skeptical that MI5 / MI6 would go to this extent, let me just draw their attention to the fact that it is now proven that these same spy Agencies have been protecting establishment pedophiles from justice for decades, and allowing the sexual exploitation of young children in care to continue. As for our Spy Agencies: if they will protect pedophiles from justice, they will do anything.
The question that should be asked is: where was the media, where were the MPs, where the police were, and where was the judiciary and legal establishment. – are they all completely useless?
Orwell’s Ministry of Truth is to a large extent modeled on the wartime BBC in which he worked.
Just a few years ago, the Sunday Times was the first to publish the Downing Street Memo that exposed the WMD lies. What was Murdoch intending there?