Despite numerous representations and an Early Day Motion signed by the large majority of Scotland’s MPs, Theresa May has ordered that Majid Ali, a Glasgow City College student, be deported back to almost certain torture and probable death in Pakistan in just twenty minutes from now. I attended the demonstration on his behalf yesterday at the Scottish Office.
Majid is a member of the much persecuted Baloch minority. Two of his immediate family have been “disappeared” by the Pakistani military since his asylum application was submitted. There is no doubt that given the numerous MP’s who have raised his case, and the well-supported early day motion, civil servants will have put the decision to May personally. She was however not even prepared to grant a delay for a look at the evidence. May is very likely not merely pandering to the racist UKIP voting electorate – she is on the far right of politics herself. The callous sacrifice of Majid Ali is proof, if any more were needed, that this Conservative administration is nothing to do with Cameron’s purported “compassionate conservatism.” They are the nasty party indeed.
But it also gives a stark example of the meaningless nature of the “enhanced devolution” in the new Scotland Act. Majid Ali’s community and Scotland’s elected representatives all want to keep him here, as an asset to his community and to our country. But even once the new Scotland Act is passed, it still would be Theresa May and the London Home Office who are the arbiters in all immigration and nationality matters.
For me, independence is the answer, and the only way Scotland will be able to operate as an ethical state. But for those Scots gradualists who actually believe in this devolution distraction, the absence of any input in immigration matters is a crucial example of how inadequate the proposed “new powers” are.
The majority of all extant UK statute laws apply equally in England and Scotland, but in Scotland are enforced by different administrative and judicial processes. While the UK is unfortunately a single state, it will have the same laws and regulations on immigration applying throughout. But there is no reason whatsoever that, as with so many other areas of law, the administration, judicial function and discretionary powers under the laws should not be devolved from London to Scotland as regards persons in Scotland.
That this is not so much as on the table shows how sham are the proposed “extra powers”. And that Majid Ali is being deported by Theresa May against universal Scottish opinion, shows the contempt which this Tory government intends to display against Scotland.
Assuming the deportation go ahead, the next useful step is to put pressure on Theresa May through letters to MPs to account for what happens to him after his return. There is a chance that forcing the British Government to make enquiries of the Pakistani Government about him may just keep him alive.
Sorry John that I repeated your link to the EDMs that Ruth Cadbury has signed. I see you had already posted it in the previous topic’s comments.
Craig
I am genuinely not sure if you are lying for political gain or really are a bit fucking stupid. I know you are well educated but hey that could be said you are well indoctrinated.
This bollox, he’s evil, I am good, shows a singular lack of understanding of the human condition. I’m almost embarrassed for you. It’s the thinking of empire of course.
The Citizen’s Advice Bureau has a good website that is easy to use and which helps people understand their rights and entitlements.
http://www.citizensadvice.org.uk
Also free.
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The answer to ‘Belfast’s problems’ is certainly not unification with the south. For one thing a majority of the population in the North do not wish to see that occur, not like you Craig to wilfully ignore the democratic majority. Secondly, the austerity measures in the RoI are even more severe than those in the UK therefore the Dublin government would be even less likely to bail out the Stormont Executive. Back to the drawing board for a solution to ‘Belfast’s problems’.
Great letter in the Independent today Phil, just alluding to the dead on the seabed.
‘One wonders just what would the British reaction be to an Italian warship laden with hundreds of immigrants, all without papers and most in need of medical attention, landing in Dover. Alternatively, what would happen if the Italian authorities refused HMS Bulwark to dock and discharge hundreds of illegal immigrants.’
from Laurence Shields, Chesterfield
And this today from Norwich, a man in his thirties, very possibly ex forces, was found dead in St. Stephens underpass. Another victim of the nasty party policies.
http://www.edp24.co.uk/news/rough_sleeper_dies_in_norwich_underpass_this_morning_1_4106082
I find risible all those British patriots of the so-called left who think that it is wrong to search for a solution to problems outside the British state. What is so good about the UK that you are so attached to it?
Phil, I see that you’re opposed to the existence of borders. However, you’ve used a slogan “Radical Decentralisation Now!”. Well decentralisation implies the existence of some kind of boundaries.
I don’t think you really have an ethical disagreement with Craig. You’re both aiming for similar outcomes, but you’re disagreeing with Craig’s methods for getting there. Maybe some terms need to be defined and/or clarified.
Craig
“all those British patriots”
OK there’s the answer to my question: you are lying for political gain.
You know full well I am no patriot. You intentionally malign rather than defend your position.
You are toying with the deaths of the poor for political expediency. You disgusting prick.
Clark
“I don’t think you really have an ethical disagreement with Craig.”
Sorry Clark. I very much do.
Nevermind
I am not defending UK or any immigration policy. I am really at a loss to what I ever said to make you think I am.
Nevermind. Agree. No irony that as liberty and freedoms are taken away from us, there are celebrations for the signing of the Magna Carta. The shops are full of commemorative junk.
Mitie have the contract for the Campsfield horror hole
https://closecampsfield.wordpress.com/what-is-campsfield-and-why-close-it/
Serco the one for Yarl’s Wood
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yarl's_Wood_Immigration_Removal_Centre
and GEO the one for the Harmondsworth Removal Centre. Not furniture removal but human beings.
http://detentionaction.org.uk/aboutus/about-harmondsworth-detention-centre
Shame on our government and Mrs May and her cohort esp the fresh faced and keen head boy, Mr Brokenshire who is rather well named.
Our ministers
The Rt Hon Theresa May MP
Secretary of State for the Home Department
The Rt Hon Mike Penning MP
Minister of State (Minister for Policing, Crime and Criminal Justice and Victims)
The Rt Hon John Hayes MP
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The Rt Hon Lord Bates
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Phil, OK, what is the disagreement then? Craig’s “British patriots” remark obviously wasn’t addressed to you specifically so responding to it personally will just result in a confusing diversion.
I was never deluding that you did Phil, just agreeing with you that Schengen was a waste of time.
Hungary is closing its borders with Serbia to stop the influx of Immigration, the great wall building has began.
I’d really like there to be an Italian warship docking here, testing the testies in power and what they really think of reforming the EU.
Clark
“OK, what is the disagreement then?”
What? I have made my case repeatedly over these last two threads.
Nevermind
I have been trying to say something more than just question Schengen. I am pointing out that Craigs politics are little different to those he claims he now despises.
Shit. Ignore the above comment. It was fired off without thought and I don’t actually mean that in a way that can be defended in my lunchtime. It will only detract from my immeiate points on these threads. I retract it.
Clark
“Craig’s “British patriots” remark obviously wasn’t addressed to you”
Not obvious at all. So what, he was responding to some unidentifiable, not present people rather than dropping in a misrepresentation of someone actually challenging him here and now? Yeah right. If the mail adopted such tactics you would call them out.
Even if that were the case he’s still pursuing this you bad, me good nonsense.
The membership of the House of Lords is at a ridiculously high level.
Bishops 26
Conservative 229
Crossbench 178
Labour 212
Liberal Democrat 101
Non-affiliated 26
Other parties 16
Total 788
New members
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Janner is no longer listed.
http://www.parliament.uk/mps-lords-and-offices/lords/
Medialens on Craig’s piece.
http://members5.boardhost.com/medialens/thread/1433929683.html
…which commences with a link to
Anger as Glasgow college student Majid Ali deported
Andrew Denholm
Education Correspondent.
Wednesday 10 June 2015
http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/home-news/anger-as-glasgow-college-student-majid-ali-deported.128560301
There is a photo of Majid. He must be reeling.
Craig
10 Jun, 2015 – 11:49 am
“Giyane: The Baloch are not Shia. You do write rather a lot of peculiar stuff sometimes.”
……………………………………………………………………
Yes Craig, he talks a load of Balochs at times.
Craig, you stated on the previous thread that only 50 MPs can sign an Early Day Motion.
Is that the really case?
Shortly after the 2005 general election, 412 of the 646 MPs signed EDM 178 calling for a Climate Change Bill; only three other early day motions had ever been signed by more than 400 MPs.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Early_day_motion
Signatories to EDM now up to 59, including 48 SNP MPs, 4 Labour, 2 Lib Dems (including Alistair Carmichael), 2 Plaid Cymru, 1 Green, and 2 SDLP.
Should the North of England be included in that statement?
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/jun/10/aftab-bahadur-death-tragic-perverse-Pakistan
If this has already been posted -apologies , but is pertinent to the corruption and rottenness that is the ‘ Justice System ‘ within Pakistan and Majid’s cruel deportation .
O/T, Accidental discovery of blood, collagen in dinosaur bones could rewrite textbooks.
This on EDM’s from parliament.uk –
Signatures
In an average session only six or seven EDMs reach over two hundred signatures. Around seventy or eighty get over one hundred signatures. The majority will attract only one or two signatures.
Doesn’t look as if there’s a fifty limit at all…I withdraw my apology and revive my imputation….
What Phil is saying, if I read him right, is that you are using this specific issue as a platform for promoting Scottish independence. IOW preaching from the victim’s (acknowledged) moral high ground. I’m trying not to see his point, and failing. At best, if so, it’s in bad taste. I’m also getting a dogwhistle concatenation of Balochi and Scottish independence aspirations: I don’t think you can validly use the one to argue for the other, even obliquely. (Suhayl Saadi made a good case for not backing Balochi independence, and the West’s record of assisting liberation movements, even with something like good intentions, is a disastrous one.)
Lysias, posted this before: thousands of people in the North asking to join Scotland:
http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/thousands-call-north-england-become-9248178
The trouble is, apart from anything else, most people who live in England can’t leave it, no matter how much they increasingly may want to. Turning the place into a fenced off hell-hole is not the most hopeful way to go.
O/T. This comment is on the thread where Resident Dissident raised the issue about the so-called poisoning of Vladimir Kara-Murza.
https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2015/05/corruption-welcome-in-london/comment-page-4/#comment-531131
Monteverdi at 3.13 pm, I’ve just read that harrowing account by Clive Stafford-Smith, director of Reprieve, of how an innocent man is hanged and a guilty man goes free. Pakistan is the pits. Its judicial system needs a thorough overall.