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165 thoughts on “Tunisian Attack”

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  • Alcyone

    Resident Dissident
    27 Jun, 2015 – 12:26 pm

    “It would be nice to receive a first warning – as to the best of my knowledge I have only ever introduced the subject of Jewishness or anti-Semitism where there has been such an intimation on a thread already”

    Is this a case of what you reap is what you sow? (Craig’s delinquent council taxes refers.) Or just the new (“arbitrary and unfair”) Craig getting ready for 2016?

  • Robert Louis

    Just for info,

    It was reported earlier by SKY news, that folks arriving back to the UK were being asked by the UK police for any footage they had of the attack, as they came through customs.

  • Resident Dissident

    Phil everyone is partial and bias in some way – the trick is to recognise it in yourself and be honest about it, and to be fair I think Craig does.

  • Ba'al Zevul

    Oh, dear. Returning to the topic, perhaps the clue is to be found in the reference to AP and Reuters. AFP (Agence France-Presse) was probably what was meant by AP: the Mail and Yahoo both cite it in current reports. The majority of mainstream media rely on these agencies, and even c&p their releases, as usual without checking them, or even having the means to do so. Without looking, all the reports come from one of those (and AFP may have exchanged info with Reuters). If you have a reliable witness, Craig, strike while the iron is hot and see if anyone will publish his version. Current journalistic culture insists on being spoonfed. Got any journo mates?

  • craig Post author

    Baal

    My witness is in hospital and understandably needs privacy. But there are plenty of uninjured witnesses many of whom are by now walking around the UK. I think it is as you say – most of our corporate media actually employ almost no real journalists, they just copy and paste.

  • Ba'al Zevul

    Seems the Tunisians aren’t as reticent as AFP, anyway, if RT is to be believed (doubts have been expressed on that point):

    01:36 GMT:

    There were three attackers in the Tunisian massacre, Interior Ministry spokesman Mohammed Ali Aroui told reporters. One of the men was was killed, one was arrested and another escaped.

    http://rt.com/news/269971-tunisia-hotels-tourists-attack/

    And Reuters now say ‘at least one gunman’

    http://www.reuters.com/news/picture/tunisia-beachside-attack?articleId=USRTX1HXKW

    Given that the press pack probably wasn’t there when it happened and that eyewitnesses’ versions depend on where they were and their state of mind, the confusion is not unexpected. By the time a coherent narrative emerges, we’ll have moved on to the next atrocity anyway. Which reminds me: what are we doing about the murdering scum, anyway?

  • glenn_uk

    Ba’al – you might be right. The number of staff employed by the BBC to actually gather news is diminishing rapidly. According to Private Eye, reporters (and particularly foreign correspondents) are being slashed all round, while the ranks of middle- and senior-managers swell.

  • Ba'al Zevul

    …most of our corporate media actually employ almost no real journalists, they just copy and paste.

    Just so. Hope your witness makes a good recovery and sells his unexpurgated story to the MSM!

  • Ba'al Zevul

    Ba’al – you might be right

    In this instance if no other I know I’m right. The whole culture of national journalism changed around the 80’s. When printing directly from a computer file became possible, and more rapacious business models prevailed, thanks to Murdoch. The BBC’s evolution into a paradise for expensive, dysfunctional management invites interpretation as a completely misguided response to this: more management means more money, therefore let’s have more management and get rid of all that unneccessary production. This was only possible on money raised by a mandatory levy on TV owners, of course. I blame that asshat Birt for the rot. Oh, and I read Private Eye too.

  • fwlster

    BBC web site has more than one witness, who refer to grenades and who is to say three men in a boat is not the same as one man with a gun.

  • Alcyone

    Ok so this is primarily a media bashing exercise. Relief. No conspiracies here then?

    Of course it was highly organised. And IS has claimed responsibility. Why is it so important whether there were one, two, or three gunmen. It is perfectly feasible for one gunman with an AK-47 and a couple of grenades, combined with minimal security, to have taken so many unfortunate lives.

    Good luck to your friend Craig, but to make out that he has some special beans to spill is just very strange. And unless you do, your blog entry is even more of a waste of space than many of the MSM articles?

  • fwlster

    BBC website also still has references to second gunman. If there was a conspiracy to limit to one (for whatever purpose?) then these would have been deleted, but they haven’t. So, whilst its always good to have an open mind there is no point jumping to conclusions and always assuming the worst about this country.

  • fwlster

    and finally, you can’t get more establishment than the WSJ and their story starts with the words ‘at least’; the opening sentence is:

    “At least one gunman carried out the worst terror attack in Tunisia’s history Friday after storming a beach resort complex, killing 37 people, many of them foreign tourists sunbathing, according to Interior Ministry officials.”

  • fwlster

    Sorry, one more post. WSJ piece does also refer to the changing Tunisian narrative:

    “Tunisian authorities initially said that multiple gunmen had targeted two hotels in Sousse, but later said it was likely that the assault was conducted by one assailant who focused the attack on a large hotel complex. The ministry said police were conducting a manhunt for possible accomplices.”

    So something odd, but the WSJ does not obscure the change in the narrative, but on the contrary makes it plain that there is a contradiction.

  • mitch

    Economic Attack
    This appears to be an horrendous massacre . This is clearly an economic attack against Tunisia with echoes of the Luxor massacre in Egypt in 1997, Mumbai in 2008 and so many others. Tunisia is a target for destabilisation and there is little doubt that this attack will be claimed by an affiliate of the IS group, presumably the Libyan wing, which is trained by among others one of America’s favourite Salafi jihadists, Abdelhakim Belhadj who was last reported running a training camp for the North African IS wing having previously mysteriously “switched sides” at least three times.

    Fighting for the West in Afghanistan, against the West as a member of an al Qaeda affiliate the LIFG (Libyan Islamic Fighting Group), switching to a key Western anti- Gaddafi ally in 2011 and now back on the “other” side in 2015.

    Chaos Renewed
    It seems as though the agents have been activated and all the proxies are being deployed in order to simply create chaos and mayhem. In addition to the Tunisia massacre and the apparent beheading in France, there was a suicide attack against a Shia Mosque in Kuwait, where political violence is extremely rare that at last report left at least 25 people dead.This has apparently already been claimed by the so called IS group. This follows similar attacks on Shia Mosques in both Saudi Arabia and Yemen in recent weeks, also during Friday prayers. To attack a Mosque during the Muslim holy month of Ramadan seems especially low and repugnant.

    http://crimesofempire.com/2015/06/27/massacre-in-sousse-tourists-slain-on-a-day-of-madness/

  • Ba'al Zevul

    The CSM buys the Tunisian line, that it wasn’t a lone attack. Incidentally, the standard of impartial reporting in the US is often a good deal better than that in the UK, aside from the prolefeed tabloids, and it’s sometimes said that the US doesn’t actually have national newspapers. You probably wouldn’t ask for the WaPo if you lived in Utah, for instance. My favourite for well-reported news is the Christian Science Monitor (which keeps its religion and its politics very well separated):

    http://www.csmonitor.com/World/2015/0319/ISIS-claims-responsibility-for-deadly-Tunisian-museum-attack

  • giyane

    I’m not sure that issuing trolls with parking tickets will work. The topic of international terrorism is after all their bridge.

  • Techno

    The establishment have good reasons for hiding the truth about it, not least to avoid inflaming racial tensions.

    I am sure this is why the number of people and their names is still not being released.

    Cameron has already tried to soften the blow as he is not stupid and he knows the impact the truth will have when it finally comes out.

  • fedup

    It is very strange. Scores of surviving witnesses in a highly accessible location. Yet very few eyewitness interviews being broadcast and the obvious questions – how many were there – not being asked or at least broadcast.

    Come on Craig! The protocols of the fishwives and their narratives dictate to play down any present and real threat and all the same hype up the imaginary threats. Here we have internationally organized attacks across at least three countries. This fact evidently somehow has not been intercepted or even hinted at in any of the security briefings, or has it?

    The total thrust of the booga booga politics is to make sure more internal surveillance and total control of the plebs (ie union activists, political activists, etc.) in the way of weeding out any potential trouble makers before they manage to get up to any political mischief.

    However to have an organised attack and to admit to it, is to admit to the total defeat of the “war on terror/terra” hence the lone gunman theory and the discount of the eyewitnesses. No scientific analysis is needed. It is all in the Alice in wonderland hype of the martial spirit that runs headlines of “Para Saving his mate from certain death” when in fact the said para had bumped/collided into the canopy of the other chap that evidently he “saved” (ie the bumbling idiot lacked total situational awareness)! The comical PR has no bounds, and can bend the “truth” any which way that suits the narrative.

    Oligarch owned media rule the waves baby!

  • Twinkletoes

    Silly Tunisians didn’t get the memo. Sometimes when you’re putting on a Gladio show the real culprit gets caught by mistake and you have to scramble a bit.

    That happened most awkwardly in this instance,
    http://www.theregister.co.uk/2002/05/29/fbis_carnivorelies_may_have_blown/
    FBI, in a sudden fit of scrupulosity, destroyed relevant surveillance records because – don’t laugh – they feared they broke privacy laws.

    And more recently, somebody accidentally caught the real perp at the Boston Marathon bombing, and CIA had to call in a bomb threat to spring him.
    http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/terrorism-jan-june13-boston_04-17/

  • DomesticExtremist

    When it comes to conspiracies, I’m far more concerned about the “story” surrounding the attack in Lyon, particularly since the security services already knew about the guy (an increasingly familiar feature of these “surprise” attacks) but his wife apparently had no idea.

    The beheadee was his boss…

    All strangely inexplicable, at least to me.

  • Mary

    Agree terrible.

    Cui bono?

    Wait for the terrrrr laws to be ramped up again. Tanks at Heathrow soon Blunkett style – February 2003.

    Q Who is funding and supplying IS/ISIL or whatever name it is given today?

    War with Isis: If Saudis aren’t fuelling the militant inferno, who is?
    With Riyadh increasingly suspected of funding the terrorist group, the West may have to rethink its relationships, says Robert Fisk
    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/war-with-isis-if-the-saudis-arent-fuelling-the-militant-inferno-who-is-10024324.html

    4.2.2015

    Last night Sky News were running a story about a Kuwaiti Airlines plane from NY bound for Kuwait City being diverted to Heathrow or Gatwick. If you believed the Sky hype, you would be linking it to another terror alert. It turned out to be passengers ill from food poisoning.
    http://news.sky.com/story/1509297/kuwait-bound-plane-in-emergency-uk-landing

  • mog

    The fact that, in a world of instant uploads, global media networks, Youtube, Twitter, camera phones and the rest, we are still not even sure of the most basic facts of what happened in Tunisia yesterday is, I think, very telling. If there hadn’t been an abundance of witnesses it might be different, however I have now come to expect anomalies and contradictions in these horrific events to be buried and any questioners to be vilified.

    ‘We are entering an era where it is not crazy to assess news events to see if they are real or not real’ Naomi Wolf

  • Alcyone

    Miis M
    27 Jun, 2015 – 3:52 pm
    “As for your new friend Alcyone and the regulars in their low-paid contract jobs for JTRIG,”

    Care to clarify or pick up on anything I’ve said above?

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