It says a huge amount about the confidence of the royal family, that they feel able to respond to their Nazi home movie with nothing other than outrage that anybody should see it. They make no denial they were giving Nazi salutes, no statement that the royal family did not support the Nazis. Of course the young children had no idea of the implications. But the adults most certainly did. The missing figure is the cameraman, future King George, who was filming his wife and brother displaying the family sympathies.
The royal family were of course German themselves – completely so. Since George I every royal marriage in line of succession had been conducted in strict accordance with the Furstenprivatrecht, to a member of a German royal family. The Queen Mother, who was of course not expected to feature in promulgating the line of succession, was the first significant exception in 220 years. She was evidently trying hard to fit in. But I am not sure German-ness has much to do with it. Nazi sympathies were much more common in the aristocracy than generally admitted. Their vast wealth and massive land ownership contrasted with the horrific poverty and malnutrition of the 1930’s, led the aristocracy to fear a very real prospect of being stood against a wall and shot. Fascism appeared to offer social amelioration for the workers with continued privilege for the aristocrats. It is completely untrue that its racism, totalitarianism and violence was unknown in 1933-4. They knew what they were doing.
Happily fascism was defeated. The royal family is of course only the tip of the iceberg of whitewashed fascist support – without even starting on industrialists, newspaper proprietors, the Kennedys, etc. etc. But the Buckingham Palace option of outrage that anybody should ever remember is very sad – still more sad that such a position gets such popular support.
We never did get round to shooting the aristocrats.
I am an optimist in politics. My experience of life has taught me that altruism is a far stronger human urge than selfishness. Modern political fashion is based on the denigration of the urge to cooperation, and I do not believe will survive.
Which leads me to believe we are now living in an embarrassing past. Future generations will look back at the massive and exponentially expanding gap between rich and poor, at the super state security services and near total surveillance, at the violent wars waged in ill-disguised annexation of resources, and be amazed that people could support it. I also think that enormous shame will attach to all those who support the excruciatingly slow genocide of the Palestinians. That will be part of our embarrassing past.
“By the way Resident Dissident you seem fixated on Galloway’s misdemeanours but refrain from criticising the wests complicity in getting Saddam placed in power in the first place.
They gave him weapons and cash. The British even supplied him with the precursor chemicals needed to make poison gas to attack Iran.”
Yes absolutely right and after all that you and Galloway end up saluting his indefatigability – puts the Queen saluting the Nazis as a child into perspective I would say.
I note that all of a sudden after two years of remaining quiet about the Palestinians being bombed and starved by Assad Mary suddenly discovers here voice when they are forced into an alliance with Assad in order to deal with ISIS. Just like she remains silent about the abuses of Hamas against their own people. I suspect most Palestinians are just sick of being used as a political football by Mary and her ilk – who really are only interested in the abuses conducted by Israel and getting at the western democracies they so despise.
I would apologise, what do I know, and Mary knows I would, not a big deal, Herr Schulmeister. I’m not infallible.
As for your turd medal, it is now down to 1800 grit, fine enough to see contours and reflections, so no brownie points for naming Sarah Wagenknecht’s second name, but well done for reading the article.
@ Rog Hollis
Thanks for the link, Pepe Escobar is one of the few critical thinkers out there who has his fingers on the pulse. I suppose verifying what Putin is aiming at, would be the first step before NATO ties itself in knots.
But Nato is stepping on the escalator by promising to use German soil to mobilise, forward an extra 5000 men in order to counter Putins moves. Somehow I don’t think that this is going down well in Germany, not anymore.
Thanks for the link to Hansard’s absurdity’s recorded, Mark G., the dialogue smacks of a split empirical mindset, chit chat in Parliament, in reality negotiations happen all the time, one might use talk A to advance talk on B, C and D, question is, can you be precise on all fronts, how much can you mix agenda’s.
I’m sure Russia knows of Daesh’s financial backers and their aims and agendas, the construct that has presented the ME with a Israel loving, apparently Islamic related threat.
Who has paid for and instigated these Madrassas teaching political Islam and wahabism to young people? who is paying for the electronic madrassas/websites, the modern version were videos are replacing mullahs and disciples are asked to come and join their criminal gangs?
Question is would Russia want to fight the financial backers of Daesh, or the foot soldiers? those we aim our wrath at, it seems.
Ha, at the time of writing the Exaro News web site seems to be under some kind of total take-out. Although this might not be nefarious (it’s well-documented that the Exaro site is often attacked): it might be weight of traffic.
This afternoon, UK time, the Australian 60 Minutes programme put out an expose of the Westminster child sex abuse scandal…
Spies, Lords and Predators Pt 1
http://www.9jumpin.com.au/show/60minutes/videos/4361923189001/
Spies, Lords and Predators Pt 2
http://www.9jumpin.com.au/show/60minutes/videos/4361836142001/
Spies, Lords and Predators Pt 3
http://www.9jumpin.com.au/show/60minutes/videos/4361755991001/
Exaro helped in the making of the 60 Minutes programme, which, when it comes to naming names, didn’t go as far as some of us would have liked. However, today Exaro published a piece on their site which did name more names, one of which is a royal (I wonder if the link will work)…
http://www.exaronews.com/articles/5608/richard-kerr-names-powerful-men-who-covered-up-kincora
Resident Dissident.
I believe Saddam Hussein was a more honourable man, and more loyal to his people, than Tony Blair. Do you disagree?
True words here.
Trogs and Pwogs
by Jon Taylor / July 19th, 2015
The ones think
the magic of the market
will solve all problems political
personal, social, and economic
The others believe
the practice of identity politics
is the answer to everything
that ails us
The ones claim
you have to starve and bomb
other people in other lands
because “All you can do is kill ‘em”
The others say
you have to bomb and invade
other people in other lands
in order to bring them freedom.
http://dissidentvoice.org/2015/07/trogs-and-pwogs/
Funny that one section of the Murdoch empire finds itself criticizing another part.
Palace Could Sue Over Queen ‘Nazi Salute’ Film
Potential criminal activity and copyright issues are being probed as the Palace tries to find out who handed the film to The Sun.
http://news.sky.com/story/1521014/palace-could-sue-over-queen-nazi-salute-film
15:36, UK,
Sunday 19 July 2015
Should make an interesting day or two at the High Court.
Talking of *embarrassing pasts* just a reminder of what you guys inflicted on the rest of us:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1tprdUGAjcw
Remember Craig, didn’t you get bladdered that balmy May night to celebrate even?
Have I missed your answer to my question, Becky?
Moderators
Alcyone is quite clearly the same person who previously posted under the handle Villager, and who received a complete ban from this site by yourselves on 26th June 2015, at 12:15 am, under the blog posting “Attack of the Bailiffs”.
Kind regards,
John
RE: my 5.24pm post: it’s not an attack on the Exaro News site, just heavy traffic…
https://twitter.com/ExaroNews/status/622807589001240576
Habbabkuk (la vita e’ bella)
19 Jul, 2015 – 2:36 pm
“The real point of fact is as follows: Franco did give refuge to Jewish refugees (many of whom used Spain as a transit country for South America and the US) and the list had no practical effect because Spain did not join the Axis.”
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Please be so kind as to back up this statement with reputable sources Habbabkuk.
There is a lot of propaganda about Franco out there by people who like to rewrite history.
I would be surprised had Craig fallen for this bollocks dredged up by republican Murdoch’s Sun newspaper. But the truth is that he hasn’t fallen for it. It is useful for his own anti-establishment stance to go along with it. All helpful for the Nat Scots cause too.
Pretty much everyone’s has done a Nazi salute, whether it be for humour, irony, or in this case I suspect because it was a novelty sweeping through Europe at the time. They still do. Without context it is meaningless. I saw a list the other day of famous people without Nazi sympathies who have done Nazi salutes and it is very long.
Nice try anyway.
“I think that might depend on whether you’re talking about the Labour Party membership as a whole or current Labour MPs.”
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Yes MJ a valid point, you have Harriet Harman and Andy Burnham agreeing with Tory policies, and several backers of Mr Corbyn, who wouldn’t normally dream of backing such a left leaning candidate, saying they did so just to add a bit of variety if you like, to the contest.
On the otherhand you have the Labour membership, who I have say probably still believe to a certain extent Labour’s core values, at least I’d like to think so.
Still regarding the MP’s again, I don’t want to tar them all with the the brush, some are still good people who believe in social policies, instead of constant austerity, but there’s not enough of them.
Anon1 here’s your context.
Prince Philip has broken a 60-year public silence about his family’s links with the Nazis.
In a frank interview, he said they found Hitler’s attempts to restore Germany’s power and prestige ‘attractive’ and admitted they had ‘inhibitions about the Jews’.
The revelations come in a book about German royalty kowtowing to the Nazis, which features photographs never published in the UK.
They include one of Philip aged 16 at the 1937 funeral of his elder sister Cecile, flanked by relatives in SS and Brownshirt uniforms.
One row back in the cortege in Darmstadt, western Germany, was his uncle, Lord Mountbatten, wearing a Royal Navy bicorn hat.
Another picture shows his youngest sister, Sophia, sitting opposite Hitler at the wedding of Hermann and Emmy Goering.
Explaining the attraction of the Nazis, 84-year-old Prince Philip told an American academic: “There was a great improvement in things like trains running on time and building. There was a sense of hope after the depressing chaos of the Weimar Republic.
“I can understand people latching on to something or somebody who appeared to be appealing to their patriotism and trying to get things going. You can understand how attractive it was.”
Men SAS trained to illuminate targets with infra-red designators have entered Syria in preparation for bombing runs by RAF pilots flying from their base at RAF Akrotiri, Cyprus. The Tornados are armed with 500lb Paveway IV laser guided bombs according to a serving logistics specialist. Britain has also bought 20 Tomahawk missiles from the US.
The seven hour return trip to Syria is supported by Voyager air-to-air refuelling aircraft.
The trained technicians are secreted amongst what the Pentagon calls “New Syrian force” allegedly sworn to fight ISIL and no other.
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/nation-world/world/article27446395.html
It doesn’t matter who supports Assad–that’s irrelevant. It is up to the Syrian people to decide who they support. Why after decades of protecting refugees from Palestine and Iraq would it suddenly make sense for Assad to attack them ? What does he benefit from that ? As I said before , watch Syrian School to see what Syria was like before the western backed terrorists were unleashed.
Could at least part of the royal family’s problem with Diana have been that she came from an ancient English family?
Rehmat
19/07/2015 3:17pm
You might also be interested in Christopher Hitchens’s review of King Edward VIII: The Official Biography by Philip Ziegler, reprinted in For The Sake Of Argument: Essays and Minority Reports (1993). Royal sympathy for Nazism has been known about for a very long time, it’s just that it has been too controversial to report.
http://www.lrb.co.uk/v12/n21/christopher-hitchens/hows-the-vampire
Kind regards,
John
“I believe Saddam Hussein was a more honourable man, and more loyal to his people, than Tony Blair. Do you disagree?”
Yes – just how many of his people did Tony Blair torture? How many fled the country in fear for their lives.
Why after decades of protecting refugees from Palestine and Iraq would it suddenly make sense for Assad to attack them ?
Because they disagreed with him – that is all the Assad family needs as an excuse – much as you may want you cannot deny the evidence that he bombed and starved Palestinian refugee camps in Syria. I appreciate that handling the cognitive dissonance this causes may be difficult for you.
What evidence do you have of that?
“Prince Philip has broken a 60-year public silence about his family’s links with the Nazis.”
I don’t think there is much doubt about where his loyalties lay though, in WWII he saw active service, escorting Atlantic convoys and taking part in the invasion of Sicily.
Remind me again what Arthur Donaldson did in the war.
“I don’t think there is much doubt about where his loyalties lay though, in WWII he saw active service, escorting Atlantic convoys and taking part in the invasion of Sicily”
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Four years after being filmed performing the Nazi salute with a young Queen Elizabeth, Prince Edward repeated the gesture to Adolf Hitler himself during a visit to Germany.
The Third Reich later plotted to install him as a puppet monarch in the event of a British invasion, with his wife Wallis Simpson allegedly wanting to join him on the throne “at any price”.
The emergence of footage showing a young Queen, her mother and uncle has refocused attention on the abdicated king’s alleged Nazi links.
As the young Prince of Wales, he had close ties to Germany through his mother, a German princess, and the childhood holidays he spent there.
He reportedly admired Hitler’s economic and social reforms said suggested Britain should offer the Nazis friendship, upsetting the opposed royal household and British government.
On becoming king in 1936, Edward was said to have wanted to speak privately with Hitler without his government’s knowledge, and claimed he would abandon the throne if the then Prime Minister declared war.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/uncle-who-encouraged-young-queens-nazi-salute-plotted-with-adolf-hitler-to-regain-throne-10398750.html
Arthur Donaldson is a saint, compared to the Nazi loving Royals.
Rob G – I watched that documentary http://www.9jumpin.com.au/show/60minutes/stories/2015/july/spies-lords-and-predators/ and I’ve got to say it was a bit of a damp squib. Only those who use the internet for exclusively watching kitten videos and Facebook will be unaware of the information in this programme. The truth about those at the top and what’s going on now will never come out in the public domain, the parasitic elite have got the media and politicians firmly under control. Even if the truth did come out, I suspect that cognitive dissonance would result in a mass refusal to believe it.
I don’t know if you saw this article from the Daily Fail http://linkis.com/www.dailymail.co.uk/FMSls about a victim of Cyril Smith, but it’s worth reading the vile comments of the readers below ( clue: the victim has Asian parents).
Node : ““I believe Saddam Hussein was a more honourable man, and more loyal to his people, than Tony Blair. Do you disagree?””
Resident Dissident : “Yes – just how many of his people did Tony Blair torture? How many fled the country in fear for their lives.”
“How many of his people did Tony Blair torture?”
I don’t know. The number of people rendered to other countries for torture under Blair’s leadership is still a secret.
“How many fled the country in fear for their lives?”
More people fled Iraq in fear for their lives during and after Blair’s war than before it.
And there can be no doubt whatsoever that more innocent people died worldwide as a direct result of actions by Blair than Hussein, but that wasn’t what I was getting at. When I talk of loyalty and honour, I mean that Saddam Hussein was given a choice : Let the West pillage your country and we will protect and enrich you. Defy the West and we will murder you. Saddam Hussein chose to die rather than betray his country. If you disagree with that analysis, please explain why.
Tony Blair took his country into an illegal war for the benefit of foreign powers. He sent British troops to their death, and made British citizens pay for it, and lied about the reasons why. If you disagree with that analysis, please explain why.
In this context, I ask you once again, which of them was more honourable and loyal to his people?
“Four years after being filmed performing the Nazi salute with a young Queen Elizabeth, Prince Edward repeated the gesture to Adolf Hitler himself during a visit to Germany.”
And we threw him out, he was forced to abdicate and lived the rest of his life in exile.
Queen Elizabeth did her bit in WWII she was a mechanic and lorry driver in the ATS.
What did Arthur Donaldson do again? For our side I mean.
Chill, everyone.
The Express comes to the rescue:
“THE truth about archive film footage in which the Queen as a child appears to make a Nazi salute can be revealed today.”
“Far from being a Hitler Sieg Heil, the gesture she was actually making was a playful royal wave.”
“An expert lip reader has examined the footage and has been able to recount the exact words used, which completely vindicate the Royals.
“This film is definitely not about Nazi salutes,” said Jessica Rees.”
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/592170/Truth-picture-Queen-Nazi-salute
Thank God for the Daily Express.
Protecting England from its enemies, since 1900.
Both Hitler and Mussolini were much-admired among the rluing classes of 1920s and 1930s Britain. After all, the British Empire was the greatest imperial project the world had seen, an industralised looting operation that went on for around 300 years. The justification for, and codification of, the Empire often was racist; the ‘White Man’s Burden’, the deliberate strengthening of the pre-existing caste system in the Indian ‘Raj’, the importation of South Asians into East and South Africa to act as ‘middlemen’, the growing obsession with miscegenation, the first elements of the apartheid sytem in South Africa and the (mostly British) slave plantation settlers of the American South.
Fascism kept the money rolling in and was seen as a bulwark against Communism and the USSR. Those among the ruling classes in Britain who did not support Hitler, did not do so because, as with the German Empire pre-1914, they perceived in him a threat to British imperial interests.
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Incidentally, Hababkuk is correct on this: The Fascist Franco regime systemcially deported Jews into the hands of the death camps; that is why Walter Benjamin was unable to escape Fascist France and killed himself in the Pyrenees instead. For all the adopted anti-Semitsim of some of its leadership at the time Turkey, on the other hand, rescued many thousands of Balkan Jews and Roma, as it had several hundred years earlier. Just don’t mention the Armenians…