It says a huge amount about the confidence of the royal family, that they feel able to respond to their Nazi home movie with nothing other than outrage that anybody should see it. They make no denial they were giving Nazi salutes, no statement that the royal family did not support the Nazis. Of course the young children had no idea of the implications. But the adults most certainly did. The missing figure is the cameraman, future King George, who was filming his wife and brother displaying the family sympathies.
The royal family were of course German themselves – completely so. Since George I every royal marriage in line of succession had been conducted in strict accordance with the Furstenprivatrecht, to a member of a German royal family. The Queen Mother, who was of course not expected to feature in promulgating the line of succession, was the first significant exception in 220 years. She was evidently trying hard to fit in. But I am not sure German-ness has much to do with it. Nazi sympathies were much more common in the aristocracy than generally admitted. Their vast wealth and massive land ownership contrasted with the horrific poverty and malnutrition of the 1930’s, led the aristocracy to fear a very real prospect of being stood against a wall and shot. Fascism appeared to offer social amelioration for the workers with continued privilege for the aristocrats. It is completely untrue that its racism, totalitarianism and violence was unknown in 1933-4. They knew what they were doing.
Happily fascism was defeated. The royal family is of course only the tip of the iceberg of whitewashed fascist support – without even starting on industrialists, newspaper proprietors, the Kennedys, etc. etc. But the Buckingham Palace option of outrage that anybody should ever remember is very sad – still more sad that such a position gets such popular support.
We never did get round to shooting the aristocrats.
I am an optimist in politics. My experience of life has taught me that altruism is a far stronger human urge than selfishness. Modern political fashion is based on the denigration of the urge to cooperation, and I do not believe will survive.
Which leads me to believe we are now living in an embarrassing past. Future generations will look back at the massive and exponentially expanding gap between rich and poor, at the super state security services and near total surveillance, at the violent wars waged in ill-disguised annexation of resources, and be amazed that people could support it. I also think that enormous shame will attach to all those who support the excruciatingly slow genocide of the Palestinians. That will be part of our embarrassing past.
Beth resident propagandist has a strong feeling in his water! That ought to be sufficient so far as it is concerned!
Evidently the “agreement” or “disagreement” mentioned by it, is the very crux of the bollocksology tabled! This is a hark back to “freedom” brand of yea olde commie bastard days.
Mark Golding has already mentioned sources and the Node is eloquently arguing his case, but as ever the resident propagandist has no truck with such sources and reason, what matters is the trend and the orders from high on, and what’s in it for the tribe?
The shameless propagandist has forgotten Jean Charles de Menezes executed extra judicially and so publicly under the leadership of bLiar, but hey it is a duty to spew rubbish in the aid of the tribe!
Syria needs to wiped off the map, so that Golan is annexed and swallowed up whole sale by the lunatic supremacists doing the “god’s” work there in that shitty strip of land.
“Future generations will look back at the massive and exponentially expanding gap between rich and poor, at the super state security services and near total surveillance, at the violent wars waged in ill-disguised annexation of resources, and be amazed that people could support it.”
That depends what happens next. They might regard it as a period of unbelievable prosperity and peace, where some people became very wealthy, many people were well off and no one starved.
“Incidentally, Hababkuk is correct on this: The Fascist Franco regime systematically deported Jews into the hands of the death camps”
I don’t see that even habby has claimed this. Has he?
Anyway. What’s your source for this, Suhayl?
‘no one starved…”
Yes, that seems to be the bar to clear. How many died because of delayed medical care? Who failed the test of providing the cost of education to their children who compete with the World on employment and benefits from such? What kind of food could they afford to avoid starvation? Did that processed and cheap nutrient lead to their early demise through disease/inflammation? What was their water source?
Was it chlorinated and have greater PPM than 750? Did they have a sufficient number os days for illness and recovery?
There are many triangulations, but the stats prove they are denied what is available at cost for the 1%.
“When I talk of loyalty and honour”
You conveniently choose all the human rights reports about what Saddam did to his own people. Whatever you may say about Blair his crimes in this regard pale into insignificance when compared to those of your fascist friend who I daresay you also salute for his indefatigability. You might also care to ponder on the ideological similarities between Baathism and Nazism – and indeed look a little at their formal links back in the 1930s.
As far as I’m concerned this discussion with Node is now over.
” this discussion with Node is now over.”
Nice escape. Perhaps you can tell us how Assad and Saddam compare as to their love of the population. It seems fair as to your perspective.
Our royals are not quite so obnoxious as the Saudi variety.
Anger as Saudi Arabia’s royal family orders closure of French Riviera public beach for King Salman’s holiday
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-07-20/anger-as-saudi-king-salman-takes-over-entire-french-beach/6632230
An entourage of 400 no less.
Our lot do of course attend the Saudi royal court to make obeisance and even to participate in silly dances.
Prince Charles takes part in Saudi Arabian sword dance
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-26252091
Saudi Arabia arrests more than 400 suspected ISIL militants
Euronews · 7 hours ago
Saudi Arabia has arrested more than 400 people suspected of belonging to …
What will be their fate? ‘Off with their heads’ perhaps in the style of the Queen of Hearts.
What evidence do you have of that?
Well even George Galloway acknowledges the bombing of the Latakia refugee camp by Assad’s Navy – see the earlier link.
As for the attacks and starvation of the Yarmouk camp there are myriad sources
https://www.google.co.uk/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rlz=1T4GGNI_enGB603GB604&q=attacks+on+yarmouk+by+assad
Needless to say I expect you to carry on with that paper bag over your head and your belief that the Assad monarchy are fun loving people who are kind to animals and children, who of course would never have anything to do with the Nazis unlike Queen Elizabeth.
http://www.jpost.com/International/Alois-Brunner-Nazi-adviser-to-Assad-died-in-Syria-383376
@Summerhead
19 Jul, 2015 – 8:24 pm
I agree that the 60 Minutes programme was a damp squib, particularly since it was hinted beforehand that the programme would ‘name some big names’. However, outside of those of us who follow such matters closely, I still feel it was a useful exercise in informing the general public of what’s going on. Also, Exaro News have published a piece today that directly names a now deceased member of the royal family.
Present MPs (principally Simon Danczuk) have stated that child abuse took place in the Houses of Parliament. Other witnesses have claimed that abuse took place in Buckingham Palace. This potentially makes both of these buildings crime scenes, yet in a time of austerity both the HoC and Buck House are going to have billions spent on refurbishment, thus destroying any evidence, DNA or otherwise.
The Daily Mail piece you link to is very interesting, not least because the comments section contains not just the usual little Englander stuff, but also the usual trolls saying that this child abuse happened decades ago so why worry about it.
I won’t name names here, but will just say that many alleged child abusers are still in positions of high power, as are those who covered-up for them (and this goes right to the top). Likewise there are 76 politicians who are presently under police investigation for child sex abuse, and many of them are MPs.
The House of Cards is so rotten it’s beyond belief, and the sicko feckers are about to take us into another big war that they’ve contrived.
Tom at 9pm in Wonderland, assuming he was not being ironic.
‘That depends what happens next. They might regard it as a period of unbelievable prosperity and peace, where some people became very wealthy, many people were well off and no one starved.’
WHAT?
Benefit cuts deaths: Revealed, how Tories are trying to ‘fudge’ figures claiming they’re too ’emotive’
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/benefit-cuts-deaths-revealed-how-5939071
‘A string of families have come forward to say their relatives died after being found fit for work.
Tragic Mark Wood starved to death in David Cameron’s constituency four months after his benefits were cut – weighing just 5st 8lbs when he was found.
Elenore Tatton
Suffering: Mum Elenore Tatton had a brain tumour for years before her death
Ex-nurse Jacqueline Harris, 53, took her own life after she was ruled fit for work despite having slipped disks in her back and severe pain.
And mum-of-three Elenore Tatton, 39, died of a long-standing brain tumour just weeks after she too was ruled fit for work.
The DWP says it’s unfair to reveal full death figures because seriously ill people are more likely to die than others.’
The last sentence is another YCNMIU.
“Perhaps you can tell us how Assad and Saddam compare as to their love of the population.”
Perhaps we could have your list of the top 100 totalitarian leaders first before we start to play such silly parlour games!
Resident Dissident : “As far as I’m concerned this discussion with Node is now over.”
I refuted both your points. You didn’t argue.
I invited you to disagree with my analysis of Hussein. You didn’t.
I invited you to disagree with my analysis of Blair. You didn’t.
I focused on loyalty and honour but you changed the subject to Nazism.
It seems to me your discussion with Node was already over before you said so.
Sorry to see this one being underlined. No doubt the Sun had a reason for printing its smirking attack on the royals, for that it what it was, like it or not. The reason for the Sun printing anything on its front page is invariably because Murdoch thinks it’s a good idea. Why? It’s not news. It’s never been a secret that Edward and Mrs S had the hots for the Nazis (that’s why he was shunted off to the Bahamas for the duration), and once again whether you like it or not, the remainder of the royal family remained in the UK during the war, and were consistently seen to be supporting the right side. Even if Harry mistook an SS uniform for evening dress on one occasion…thde younger sprogs may well be snapped waving ISIS flags for a laugh at some point. The Wndsors don’t seem to score too highly on emotional intellignce, after all.
So. what’s Murdoch up to? I wonder if the royals are the next target, after the poor have been encouraged to starve to death and are of no further use to the duckspeak industry. Not that I would waste so much sympathy on the royals; they’ve had a good run, but the crown is still formally central to our legislative framework. Life would be much easier for global corporatism if this hurdle were removed. Just like the unions.
The Sun’s ‘explanation’ for publishing this: that the episode is a matter of historical importance, is revealed to be wholly risible by the headline itself: “Your Royal Heilness.” Sure, serious historical document, lol.
Those loyal Englishmen who have so assiduously informed us of the dubious loyalties of certain nationalists may care to cast an eye over this, and widen the scope of their criticism –
http://www.struggle.ws/freeearth/fe1_britain.html
OOO! A hypocrite!
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2073525/Hypocrisy-Labour-MPs-researcher-exposed-Hitler-salute-picture-emerges.html
Everybody’s doing it:
http://www.spectator.co.uk/features/3387736/liberals-are-the-true-heirs-of-the-nazi-spirit/
Even Lord Thurso, I’d guess…
And maybe reflect that a major cause for Hitler’s popularity was the complete collapse of the capitalist system through uncontrolled speculation combined with incompetent central government and a valid national grievance about WW1 reparations. If you don’t like nationalist movements, one good ploy is not to create the conditions for their emergence, but it’s too late now…
Sometimes self perception is the route to knowledge and self improvement.
Nazi salutes weren’t always called Nazi salutes…
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bellamy_salute
Ba’al, as you point out, the Royal connection to the Nazis is well known.
The Sun story this weekend is all a smokescreen.
Because everyone on boards like this are talking about it, instead of talking about further revelations this weekend about the Westminster child sex abuse scandal, or the fact that Cameron is now committing the UK to a war in Syria.
I weep at what my country has become…
The Sun’s ‘explanation’ for publishing this: that the episode is a matter of historical importance, is revealed to be wholly risible by the headline itself: “Your Royal Heilness.” Sure, serious historical document, lol.
Ba’al; Murdoch still probably thinks of himself as a rebellious larrikin, and not as a latter day, and even more powerful, Citizen Kane- which is how most of the Anglosphere views him.
As Craig and others have pointed out, the royal household and a decent cohort of the upper classes here do have ’embarrassing pasts’ when it comes to the ‘thirties; more on that here-
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglo-German_Fellowship
This subject is also a good excuse for posting this tour de force from 2 decades back by Jim Broadbent- enjoy it all, but the bit pertinent to Craig’s post starts at 14.40-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-oTYqaspeCc
“Even Lord Thurso, I’d guess…”
You would guess wrong, there was no Lord Thurso.
The present Lord Thurso’s father, Viscount Thurso flew Mosquito bombers in WWII, his grandfather was Secretary of State for Air.
They did their bit for King and Country. Unlike some.
Breathtaking stuff…
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/jul/19/george-osborne-labour-welfare-commons-vote
… from a bunch of totally corrupt a-holes who should all be in jail.
Talking of embarrassing incidents …..
http://english.farsnews.com/newstext.aspx?nn=13940428000448
Here we have a new German edition of Royal Babylon. The English version has been putting it about for a few years,yet when it hits the mainstream its “Oh no not our Queen.” http://internationaltimes.it/royal-babylon-new-edition/
This from -George VI’s Wimbledon doubles partner and long time courtier-Louis Greig’s wiki entry:
Greig was a staunch monarchist and a supporter of the British regime. As a stockbroker, he formed a friendship with Labour leader Ramsay MacDonald. Greig played a small role in the formation of the National Government, and was persuaded by MacDonald to accept a KBE on 3 June 1932, in which year he was also created deputy Ranger of Richmond Park. However, in earlier times, he was a member of the January Club, an establishment ginger group for the British Union of Fascists:[4]
“It was in the 1930s that British fascism had its first and so far only flowering in the form of Sir Oswald Mosley’s British Union of Fascists (BUF), formed on 1October 1932. Mosley had moved from the Tory Party to the Labour left to fascism, and formed the ‘January Club’ as a sort of discussion group / front organisation to attract establishment types to his blackshirt movement. Devotees of the January Club included Wing-Commander Sir Louis Greig, Lord Erskine (a Conservative-Unionist MP), Lord William Scott (brother of the 8th Duke of Buccleuch and Conservative-Unionist MP) and Lord and Lady Russell of Liverpool. The BUF. began to receive support from the influential Conservative press in the form of media baron Lord Rothermere, who’s [sic] paper the Daily Mail backed Mosley enthusiastically, beginning with the infamous “Hurrah for the Blackshirts” headline of 8 January 1934.”[5]
PS Unless I’m mistaken Lord Russell of Liverpool published a book on the Concentration Camps.
RobG @12.25am
Let’s hope that a sufficient number of Labour MPs vote with the SNP. Will Harman finally put the Labour party out of its misery, or will a Corbyn victory come to its rescue?
http://danielmargrain.com/2015/07/14/dead-labour/
RobG,
Although on the surface, the intention to phase-in a £9 an hour living (minimum) wage by 2020 sounds progressive, the real intention was to hoodwink the public into thinking this announcement somehow counteracted the effect on the poor resulting from the abolition of working tax credits and the limiting of welfare payments to a maximum of £23,000 per household. Given that the Labour opposition to Tory welfare cuts pre-election were non existent, Osborne’s decision to introduce the £9 living wage sounds comparatively revolutionary – which says a lot about the depressing state of the Labour Party and the British political scene in general.
Of course, the proposed increase in five years time will be worth a lot less than £9 in real terms. Moreover, the increase will likely form one of the main Tory pledges prior to the next election and then be quietly dropped after it. I predict that the £9 rate will never be introduced by either this Tory administration or by any successive ones. Meanwhile, welfare cuts of the kind stated above to be introduced by 2017/18 will continue apace in the absence of any increase in the minimum wage to ameliorate them. This result in widespread homelessness and hardship for the poorest in society not experienced in mainland Britain since the Victorian era……
http://danielmargrain.com/2015/07/09/poor-law-tories/
Mr. Murray,
You have put out some whoppers here. You make no mention of the March 24, 1933 headline “Judea Declares War on Germany”, less than 2 months after Hitler was appointed Chancellor of a national government.
The “book burnings” were spontaneous, not directed by the party or government. The books burned were considered to be pornographic or degenerate in nature.
The German economic “miracle” was admired by leaders of all political stripes both in Europe and elsewhere, with the exception of the USA and the warmonger Churchill.
I am surprised that you make no connection between the bankers who: funded Cromwell and the resulting execution of a Scot; William of Orange and his usurpation of the throne from another Scot; the creation of the Bank of England (the scourge of all nations); the international bankers that funded Lenin, Trotsky et al; the revolutionaries in Germany who caused political turmoil which led to the Armistice in 1918; the international bankers who, according to LLoyd George ‘…swept statesmen, politicians, journalists and jurists all to one side and issued their orders with the imperiousness of absolute monarchs”; the Focus group that funded Churchill, who jailed, without charges, another Scottish MP who wrote “The Nameless War”; and the Morgenthau Plan.
In short, the National Socialists understood the danger of Count Coudenhove Kalergi’s “Practical Idealism” and who was behind it.
The plan is alive and well, and independence or not, Scots are scheduled for extinction.
I am sure Her Maj will be eternally grateful to the British Board of Deputies’ Mr Arkush for his support.
Board of Deputies backs Queen after ‘Nazi salute’ footage
http://www.thejc.com/news/uk-news/140094/board-deputies-backs-queen-after-nazi-salute-footage
“I weep at what my country has become…”
It isn’t your country – especially since you no longer live here.
I arrived at the JC by way of Aaronovitch’s twitter. He writes a column in the JC and linked to it.
On his twitter, he also says
‘David Aaronovitch @DAaronovitch · Jul 17
We should be proud, not apologetic, that UK pilots have been helping with US and Canadian air-strikes against ISIS.’
!!!
Very much like his support for Blair’s war on Iraq in 2003.
‘What authority did he have to question these methodologies? None, but his own unwillingness to accept the horrific consequences of the war that he supported. That, and the fact that the Labour government also refused to accept them, despite the insistence of its own chief scientist that the methodologies used were ‘best practice.‘
Before the Iraq war Aaronovitch said that he would never believe his government again if no WMD were found in Iraq. Yet even after no weapons were found, he has continued to defend the Iraq war and to support every war and proposed intervention since, because like Elvis Presley he just could not stop believin’ everything his government told him.
And this is the man who now has the temerity to ridicule an MP who suggests that war is not the answer to the Middle East’s problems? ‘
Armchair warrior David Aaronovitch versus anti-war Green Party MP Caroline Lucas
Matt Carr
23 March 2015.
In David Aaronovitch’s moral universe, western wars are always moral and always beneficial to those on the receiving end.
http://www.stopwar.org.uk/news/armchair-warrior-david-aaronovitch-versus-anti-war-green-party-mp-caroline-lucas
And everyone is led to believe that the war in Afghanistan is over.
‘There are about 10,000 international troops in Afghanistan who are training and advising Afghan forces.’
(8) Afghan troops ‘killed by US friendly fire’
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-33591124
‘Friendly fire’ indeed. What a misnomer.