It says a huge amount about the confidence of the royal family, that they feel able to respond to their Nazi home movie with nothing other than outrage that anybody should see it. They make no denial they were giving Nazi salutes, no statement that the royal family did not support the Nazis. Of course the young children had no idea of the implications. But the adults most certainly did. The missing figure is the cameraman, future King George, who was filming his wife and brother displaying the family sympathies.
The royal family were of course German themselves – completely so. Since George I every royal marriage in line of succession had been conducted in strict accordance with the Furstenprivatrecht, to a member of a German royal family. The Queen Mother, who was of course not expected to feature in promulgating the line of succession, was the first significant exception in 220 years. She was evidently trying hard to fit in. But I am not sure German-ness has much to do with it. Nazi sympathies were much more common in the aristocracy than generally admitted. Their vast wealth and massive land ownership contrasted with the horrific poverty and malnutrition of the 1930’s, led the aristocracy to fear a very real prospect of being stood against a wall and shot. Fascism appeared to offer social amelioration for the workers with continued privilege for the aristocrats. It is completely untrue that its racism, totalitarianism and violence was unknown in 1933-4. They knew what they were doing.
Happily fascism was defeated. The royal family is of course only the tip of the iceberg of whitewashed fascist support – without even starting on industrialists, newspaper proprietors, the Kennedys, etc. etc. But the Buckingham Palace option of outrage that anybody should ever remember is very sad – still more sad that such a position gets such popular support.
We never did get round to shooting the aristocrats.
I am an optimist in politics. My experience of life has taught me that altruism is a far stronger human urge than selfishness. Modern political fashion is based on the denigration of the urge to cooperation, and I do not believe will survive.
Which leads me to believe we are now living in an embarrassing past. Future generations will look back at the massive and exponentially expanding gap between rich and poor, at the super state security services and near total surveillance, at the violent wars waged in ill-disguised annexation of resources, and be amazed that people could support it. I also think that enormous shame will attach to all those who support the excruciatingly slow genocide of the Palestinians. That will be part of our embarrassing past.
Well i aint totally against this.. Excuse for summer…
Haiku For Mary – By Me
The Orchestral Birds
Melodiously Singing
A welcome to Dawn
Fred
I voted SNP. Am I a nazi?
“Yes, the question of how a tolerant, liberal democracy could so quickly become complicit in blatant authoritarian nationalism and discrimination is an interesting one and not discussed widely.”
The worrying part is that Hitler didn’t have the technology we have today. Just imagine if he had had computers, compiled a database of everyone in Germany every detail of their lives from cradle to grave. Tony Blair tried it with the National Identity Register. Fortunately we have a multi-party state which makes it harder for one party to push measures like that through.
I’m Nazi too..This Fucking Fun
“I voted SNP. Am I a nazi?”
What you are doing is called an association fallacy. They go like this:
“Cats have four legs, my dog has four legs, is my dog a cat?”.
Have this lot learned nothing from the debacles of Libya and Iraq? Apparently not.
Simce you ask, no. Even the procedure for justifying it is unchanged:
http://theconversation.com/the-five-point-plan-used-to-justify-fighting-wars-is-being-deployed-in-media-again-32348
Check off the five easy PR points for yourself here:
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/jul/19/david-cameron-syria-isis-air-strikes
Accepting for a moment that ISIS is an existential threat to the UK, and that deploying UK assets aganst it is justified, it’s hard not to see General Lord Richards’ point, that airstrikes and hands-off measures cannot achieve the desired result; that boots and tanks on the ground will be needed. He’s been saying this since 2012. Trouble is, boots and tanks on the ground allied to sloppy political thinking don’t work either, and our resources are so depleted by spending cuts as to be of limited functionality.
(Not entirely impartial, Richards, who has spent his post-Army career arguing rather unsuccessfully for restoring our military capacity;
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But for all that. he’s right up to a point. We no longer have the ability realistically to defend the UK from a conventional attack. Cameron isn’t so much trying to square the circle, but a hyperdimensional spheroidal tesseract. With no plans for success, let alone failure. All that’s left is PR and spin.
“but please don’t tell me that I have no say in what goes on in my country”
I never said you had no say – you can say what you want and long may it be the case, it just isn’t your country as you have chosen another.
I very much doubt that those in power would hassle you unless you broke the law – they would just ignore you.
Habba, so anyone who calls out these low lifes for what they are, you label “Loud-mouthed, drink-sodden scrounger”
That’s why we’re coming for you, and you lot just don’t get it, because you are incredibly dumb.
Can I have back the 250 grand I paid in tax, or have you already snorted it up your nostrils?
Total vermin, total scum, beneath contempt.
With such wonderous soothsayer powers, isn’t it surprising that Mr Fallon didn’t see what a thrashing his party was about to receive in the GE.>/i>
He’s an evangelical Christian, and God didn’t tell him? PS. think you meant Farron, not Fallon.
pps, think I meant
@Beth
“The Syrian people will decide who they support.”
That is apart from the 4 million refugees Assad has forced out of the country.
Is their no crime perpetrated by the Assad monarchy that you won’t gloss over?
Mods, whilst the head swivelling round and the projectile vomiting of a certain poster is in some ways amusing, it really doesn’t do much for these blog comments. I would guess that Craig allows it because it shows the Establishment at work.
…”less than” i, not “greater than” i. Geeks will understand.
“That’s why we’re coming for you, and you lot just don’t get it, because you are incredibly dumb.”
Of course threatening behaviour is against UK Law and the I presume the moderation rules. But then perhaps you are not serious.
Habba, you probably don’t realise that your posts just reinforce what I say about Britain being a police state.
I’m quite open about who I am (and I’m not afraid of vermin).
Maybe you would like to tell us who you are…
That is apart from the 4 million refugees Assad has forced out of the country.
Wouldn’t you say that the credit for the refugees is pretty equally shared between Assad and the foreign-sponsored elements trying to overthrow him? And that the refugees and the vast death toll might have been avoided completely by not stirring up the revolution?
“He’s an evangelical Christian, and God didn’t tell him? PS. think you meant Farron, not Fallon.”
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Thank you Baal for the correction, such is the impression that Mr whatshisname has made on me.
He’s like the one guy you can’t recall in the Magnificent Seven or the Seven Dwarfs.
Exaro News, which assisted in the making of the Australian TV show about the Westminster child sex abuse scandal, has not ignored that show. They have a piece on it, with links to the video: Australia’s 60 Minutes makes ‘special’ on UK’s VIP paedophiles.
Disturbing quote from the show, as presented in an Australian news item on the show: 60 Minutes investigates alleged Westminster paedophile network:
John Whitehead makes the point in his recent book Battlefield America: The War On the American People that, in a police state, sociopaths rise to the top and imbue the whole society with their sociopathic malady.
Nazi Germany illustrates the point very well, as increasingly does the America about which Whitehead writes. And we can see the same corruption at work in the UK from reading some of the commenters here.
Let me try that again with the codes put in the right places.
John Whitehead makes the point in his recent book Battlefield America: The War On the American People that, in a police state, sociopaths rise to the top and imbue the whole society with their sociopathic malady.
Nazi Germany illustrates the point very well, as increasingly does the America about which Whitehead writes. And we can see the same corruption at work in the UK from reading some of the commenters here.
@Resident Dissident
20 Jul, 2015 – 9:03 pm
Do you mean the totally corrupt UK law made by a bunch of paedos in Westminster?
No, I don’t recognise such law, and nor will any sane person in the UK.
These bunch of psychos are about to launch us into another major war in the Middle East, and all for corporate profit.
I don’t recognise the present UK government as being legitimate. In fact, at least half of them should be in jail (and that includes the army of trolls who support them on comment threads).
He’s like the one guy you can’t recall in the Magnificent Seven or the Seven Dwarfs.
Don’t want to confuse the issue further, but he’s also rather like Farrage. What is it about farts?
Just to give readers a flavour of John W. Whitehead (the intro to an interview he gave on TRUNEWS – ho the..?)
“TRUNEWS Special Guest John Whitehead on Battlefield America. ‘NATO is building its armament along the Russian border, and Vlad Putin is building more nukes. Is anybody paying attention to this madness? And what about China’s repeated testing of its super-secret nuke-launching glider? On today’s program, Rick also repeats his question: Is the economy on track to repeat 1937’s “depression in a depression”? In Part 2, John Whitehead talks about “Battlefield America” and the transformation into a militarized police state.’”
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Sounds like the sort of guy who should be a regular commenter on here. That is, a nutter.
“Do they have the word “national” in their title, like Hitler’s National Socialists or Mussolini’s National Fascist party? Are their policies based on Nationalist principles either civic or ethnic? Were their founders on Hitler’s side in WWII? If the answer to these questions is yes then they are.”
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So the SNP who embrace immigration and other cultures, the SNP are anti-war and anti -Trident, the SNP who are mostly pro -EU which makes them also internationalist, the SNP who are anti-austerity.
The SNP form alliances with other parties such as the Greens and Plaid Cymru and other Holyrood parties when it benefits the people.
The SNP seek independence for Scotland, a henious and unforgivable crime, in the eyes of some.
Of course in order for other countries to have become independent I suppose they must’ve had a nationalist movement at one time or another.
I wonder how Boudicca felt as a Nazi trying to emancipate her followers from the Romans.
Or Hannibal, as he drove his Nazi elephants over the mountains, to face the Romans.
Or the cheek of the Nazi Australians and Canadians obtaining independence.
Here’s a website for those who see Nazi’s everywhere, even under the bed, you know who you are.
http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2010/12/nazis-everywhere/67002/
“Don’t want to confuse the issue further, but he’s also rather like Farrage. What is it about farts?”
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Who’s this Farage bloke?
Farage and farts…hmm! They both stink to me.
Watch how the trolls first attack and then constantly change the subject.
You live in a police state, folks.
Fred : What you are doing is called an association fallacy. “</i
No, I’m not making any associations. I’m genuinely trying to find the limits of your association of nazis with the SNP.
You didn’t directly answer my question : “Am I a Nazi”. I infer from your answer that you don’t believe I necessarily am just because I voted SNP. Please correct me if I’ve interpret you wrongly.
So voting SNP doesn’t automatically make me a nazi. What proportion of SNP voters do you believe are nazis?
Changing the subject – almost as bad a torture as the comfy chair
“You live in a police state, folks.”
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Unless RobG you live in Scotland then according to you know who it’s a fascist state..lol.
Funnily enough the only time tanks rolled into George Sq, Glasgow to quell the people who wanted a 48 week instead of a bizillion hour week,was when the British government, and Churchill sent them…..bloody fascist.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_George_Square
Typical to attack the source rather than the substance. Just ask yourselves, folks: is the behavior you see sociopathic, or not?