It says a huge amount about the confidence of the royal family, that they feel able to respond to their Nazi home movie with nothing other than outrage that anybody should see it. They make no denial they were giving Nazi salutes, no statement that the royal family did not support the Nazis. Of course the young children had no idea of the implications. But the adults most certainly did. The missing figure is the cameraman, future King George, who was filming his wife and brother displaying the family sympathies.
The royal family were of course German themselves – completely so. Since George I every royal marriage in line of succession had been conducted in strict accordance with the Furstenprivatrecht, to a member of a German royal family. The Queen Mother, who was of course not expected to feature in promulgating the line of succession, was the first significant exception in 220 years. She was evidently trying hard to fit in. But I am not sure German-ness has much to do with it. Nazi sympathies were much more common in the aristocracy than generally admitted. Their vast wealth and massive land ownership contrasted with the horrific poverty and malnutrition of the 1930’s, led the aristocracy to fear a very real prospect of being stood against a wall and shot. Fascism appeared to offer social amelioration for the workers with continued privilege for the aristocrats. It is completely untrue that its racism, totalitarianism and violence was unknown in 1933-4. They knew what they were doing.
Happily fascism was defeated. The royal family is of course only the tip of the iceberg of whitewashed fascist support – without even starting on industrialists, newspaper proprietors, the Kennedys, etc. etc. But the Buckingham Palace option of outrage that anybody should ever remember is very sad – still more sad that such a position gets such popular support.
We never did get round to shooting the aristocrats.
I am an optimist in politics. My experience of life has taught me that altruism is a far stronger human urge than selfishness. Modern political fashion is based on the denigration of the urge to cooperation, and I do not believe will survive.
Which leads me to believe we are now living in an embarrassing past. Future generations will look back at the massive and exponentially expanding gap between rich and poor, at the super state security services and near total surveillance, at the violent wars waged in ill-disguised annexation of resources, and be amazed that people could support it. I also think that enormous shame will attach to all those who support the excruciatingly slow genocide of the Palestinians. That will be part of our embarrassing past.
“You didn’t directly answer my question : “Am I a Nazi”. I infer from your answer that you don’t believe I necessarily am just because I voted SNP. Please correct me if I’ve interpret you wrongly.”
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Node, do you goose step going to the toilet? Do you sei heil when picking your nose?
Do you tuck your trousers into your boots?
Do you say schnell and halt often in a loud and abrasive manner?
Do you own a Luger pistol?
Have you a funny wee moustache?
Finally is your dog called Blondi
The back-and-forth does not stimulate progress toward understanding.
Fascism is best described as a merging of corporate and government interests. In simpler terms, it’s when corporations have taken over the government. This is also called a Oligarchy because the wealthy control the entire country. Mussolini states that the corporations were the most important part of a country and that the government should work with them to make a better country. He created this merger and called it Fascism to differentiate it from Socialism.
One of the signature characteristics of Fascism is “belligerent nationalism.” This is the practice of saying our country is exceptional and don’t you dare tell me otherwise.
Another, more modern term for Fascism is Corporatism.
Well, if Fascism isn’t Socialism, then what is Socialism?
Socialism
Socialism is where people are directly involved in the production of goods and services, things like cooperatives where the workers are the owners of the businesses. This doesn’t mean the government owns and manages the businesses. The business exists for the sake of providing for society, or the social good.
We’ve posted here many times about the socialistic bent of America’s forefathers. Socialism was such a fundamental inclination that our government is defined as “We The People.”
The corporatists in America try to hide this fact and purposely confuse socialism with fascism and communism.
Bevin
20 Jul, 2015 – 2:40 am
“The BUF. [British Union of Fascists] began to receive support from the influential Conservative press in the form of media baron Lord Rothermere.”
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Every holder of the title, Lord Rothermere, has served as Chairman of Daily Mail and General Trust plc since its creation in 1919.
The current holder of the title is one Harold Jonathan Esmond Vere Harmsworth, 4th Viscount Rothermere.
The Sunday Times estimate his net worth (2015) at £1billion.
He is a supporter of the Conservative Party leader David Cameron.
He has non-domicile tax status and owns his media businesses through a complex structure of offshore holdings and trusts which entail him paying almost no UK tax on his income, investments or wealth.
As a Cameron supporter he will no doubt be backing the Prime Minister and Lord Richards in their push to put ‘boots on the ground’ in Iraq and to bomb Syria – even though he does not contribute to our military expenditure through taxation.
“Here’s a website for those who see Nazi’s everywhere, even under the bed, you know who you are.”
You mean people who see a six year old child as a Nazi for waving at something in the sky?
Did you sign the petition yet?
https://www.change.org/p/nicola-sturgeon-for-the-immediate-dismissal-of-dr-paul-monaghan-mp?recruiter=272367486&utm_source=share_petition&utm_medium=copylink
“So voting SNP doesn’t automatically make me a nazi. What proportion of SNP voters do you believe are nazis?”
I would expect around the same proportion as those who voted for Hitler in 1933 being Nazis.
I mean there is no reason to believe the people of Scotland to be any better or worse than the people of Germany is there?
“Did you sign the petition yet?”
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Oh look the Scotsman newspaper attacking the SNP, the fascist unionist propaganda Scotsman newspaper whose circulation has hit an all time low due to it constant attacking of the SNP, prints another anti-SNP story.
Wikipedia says that, when the Nazis came to power in 1933, the party had “over 2 million members”. In the elections of March 1933, the party received 17 million votes. So about 12% of those who voted for the party were members of it.
Daniel
20 Jul, 2015 – 3:43 am
“Of course, the proposed increase in five years time will be worth a lot less than £9 in real terms. Moreover, the increase will likely form one of the main Tory pledges prior to the next election and then be quietly dropped after it.”
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“The Conservatives put a PLEDGE to introduce a £72,000 cap on how much people have to pay before the state steps in at the heart of their election manifesto.”
“They VOWED to bring in the cap from April 2016 to ensure that “no one has to sell their home” to pay for their care.”
“However ministers yesterday announced that they are delaying the introduction of the cap for four years amid concerns that it will cost £6billion over the next five years.”
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/health/elder/11746216/Tories-poised-to-delay-flagship-cap-on-care-costs.html
So they didn’t do a cost-benefit-analysis!?
They lied to the electorate and I imagine that many elderly people believed them and voted Conservative.
Fuck you granny we only wanted your vote and you’ll be dead or demented by the time of the next election!
“Oh look the Scotsman newspaper attacking the SNP, the fascist unionist propaganda Scotsman newspaper whose circulation has hit an all time low due to it constant attacking of the SNP, prints another anti-SNP story.”
So you’ll just look the other way then.
Strangely enough that’s all that most of the people in Germany were guilty of.
“I would expect around the same proportion as those who voted for Hitler in 1933 being Nazis.
I mean there is no reason to believe the people of Scotland to be any better or worse than the people of Germany is there?”
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F*ck me….he actually believes that shit, next he’ll be comparing Holyrood to the Reichstag.
Phew! I wonder how many of my neighbours are pulling on their jack boots whilst listening to Wagner’s Ride of the Valkyrie.
Di di di di di, di di di di di.
That sneaky Nicola Sturgeon, promoting the reintroduction of wolves to Scotland to level the eco-system, all, the time she was planning to build herself a Nazi wolves lair.
There has been a rebellion by a large number of Labour MPs against Harman’s whip on the Welfare Reform Bill Third Reading.
The Tory majority was 184.
“So you’ll just look the other way then.
Strangely enough that’s all that most of the people in Germany were guilty of.”
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Shit, here I am thinking the mass murder in Iraq an Libya by the British government was a travesty, when all along it’s all the fault of the SNP.
Those SNP Nazi’s who campaigned to stop the near genocide of the Iraqi people, and are vigoursly against a British invasion of Syria, are fooling everyone, as they secretly build V1 and V2 rockets, under the Wallace momument whilst singing the Horst Wessel song.
My next door neighbour spends a lot of time banging on metal in his shed, maybe he’s building a Tiger tank.
I’m going to bed (with a goat, if you believe anything our totally anonymous Habba says).
So let’s have some music. This is ‘Valse in c major’ by Francis Poulenc. It’s an impudent piano waltz written during the German occupation of Paris. Poulenc was quite literally risking his life by writing this piece, but carried on regardless…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Du3B5diHys
To clarify. 48 Labour MPs did not abstain as instructed. They voted against. Jeremy Corbyn was one of the 48.
It was the Second Reading not the Third.
Mary
20 Jul, 2015 – 6:53 am
“I am sure Her Maj will be eternally grateful to the British Board of Deputies’ Mr Arkush for his support.”
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From your link Mary:
“To strong applause from the hundreds of deputies, he [Arkush] said: “I don’t think any criticism of a seven-year-old child would be remotely appropriate…”
I agree with him there Mary, as I’m sure you do but he says nothing about the royal adults involved.
He goes on:
“Obviously the Nazi salute now carries horrible memories and bitterness for us…”
I’m sure the sight of the Star of David to Palestinians, especially in Gaza, carries horrible memories and bitterness for them.
We live in nasty times with nasty people at the tiller.
“Shit, here I am thinking the mass murder in Iraq an Libya by the British government was a travesty, when all along it’s all the fault of the SNP.”
But don’t you see your politics are the politics of hatred just the same as the politics of Hitler? A hatred of people who voted Tory based on what Thatcher did thirty odd years ago then transfer it onto those who voted Labour by calling them Red Tories then make all the upper classes paedophiles and the Nationalists are getting a large portion of the population of Scotland hating everyone but themselves.
Sorry to disappoint, but Wikipedia says Poulenc wrote the Valse in C in 1919.
“My next door neighbour spends a lot of time banging on metal in his shed, maybe he’s building a Tiger tank.”
I was taking a look at that web site you keep posting links to and that emblem they use reminds me a lot of something. Can’t help thinking I’ve seen it before somewhere.
http://wingsoverscotland.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/2014logos31-460×284.png
Juteman
20 Jul, 2015 – 8:46 am
“Just checking.”
“Nope, Becky still hasn’t answered my question in reply to her early post. Must be too difficult for him/her.”
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I’m intrigued Juteman.
I missed your question to Becky.
Will you post it again to save me time searching for it?
Lysias
I hereby welcome you to the small but growing band of fact checkers on here, of whom I am of course the Head.
The next stage of your development will be – I hope – to stop quoting from dubious websites and tendentious authors of doubtful (to put it kindly) repute.
We’ll make a real t**ll of you yet! 🙂
Nevermind
20 Jul, 2015 – 9:29 am
“ I feel as if this woman just keeps digging, how much more damage can you inflict to Labour by shadowing the agenda of fascist such as IDS.”
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Yes Nevermind, a fifth columnist like Tony Blair.
“But don’t you see your politics are the politics of hatred just the same as the politics of Hitler? A hatred of people who voted Tory based on what Thatcher did thirty odd years ago then transfer it onto those who voted Labour by calling them Red Tories then make all the upper classes paedophiles and the Nationalists are getting a large portion of the population of Scotland hating everyone but themselves.”
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Ermm……
I’m pretty sure many folk in England NI and Wales hated Thatcher that in your opinion must make them Nazi’s.
As for Labour being called the Red Tories, even now after they were comprehensively thumped at the polls, their stand in leader Harriet Harman agrees with Tory policies.
Hatred, the British government are driving vans around the country with loud hailers telling immigrants to go home, a bit like the Nazi’ s telling the Jews to leave Germany.
Hatred the British government is locking immigrants up in concentration camps like Dungavel for illegal amounts of time, a bit like the Nazi’s locking people up illegally.
Hatred the British government is bombing Syria a foreign country illegally after the Westminster parliament voted not to do so, a bit like the Nazi’s bombing Poland.
Fred : “I would expect around the same proportion as those who voted for Hitler in 1933 being Nazis.”
So that’s 44%. Are you saying that 44% of the Scottish electorate are nazis?
“So that’s 44%. Are you saying that 44% of the Scottish electorate are nazis?”
That isn’t what I said.
“Ermm…… ”
So you hate everyone except the Scottish Nationalists then.
Lysias, Poulenc wrote a vast number of piano pieces. Whilst Valse in C might have had earlier origins, I have no record of it before the 2nd World War, particularly as early as 1919, when Poulenc was only 20 years old…
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francis_Poulenc
Poulenc was both communist and gay, which might be why western history slaughters him.
“I was taking a look at that web site you keep posting links to and that emblem they use reminds me a lot of something. Can’t help thinking I’ve seen it before somewhere.”
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It’s the Scottish lion reading the press, nothing sinister there then, or is there.
Oh wait, a lion reading a newspaper it must be a visual enigma machine code, thank god there’s Alan Turing type people like you about to decipher these nasty Nazi codes.
“That isn’t what I said.”
You said “I would expect around the same proportion as those who voted for Hitler in 1933 being Nazis.”
44% of the German electorate voted for Hitler in 1933. Which portion of the Scottish electorate are you comparing that to?
“44% of the German electorate voted for Hitler in 1933. Which portion of the Scottish electorate are you comparing that to?”
I didn’t say everyone who voted for Hitler was a Nazi.
“Ermm…… ”
“So you hate everyone except the Scottish Nationalists then.”
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I think you’ll find that it’s the British government that hates everybody except the rich.
The British government are currently undermining union rights imposing massive austerity destroying or trying to destroy the ECHR in favour of a Dickensian British Bill of Rights.
Removing child tax credits, working tax credits, whilst wishing to spend more on war, at least 2% of GDP to keep Nato and the US happy, oh but wait the SNP want independence, from this farce, they must be Nazi’s then.
Of course the British government wants a form of independence from the EU, because the EU in their eyes is full of bloody foreigners.