Zionism is bullshit. Three thousand years ago my Celtic ancestors were casting sacred swords into the lakes of Switzerland. Can I go back and claim Switzerland? No. Of course not. It’s nonsense.
I am rather proud of that critique, which still seems to me a short and elegant refutation of the basis of Zionism. I have never seen it answered with anything approaching intellectual success. I am especially proud as it came to me in a moment of inspiration, in the final 12 seconds of an allocated three minute speech to a crowd that stretched further than I could see.
A Ghanaian came up to me in an Accra hotel yesterday and said “Craig Murray. Zionism is bullshit. I miss London.” He then dashed off. It reminded me what a small and interconnected world we live in, as well as leading me to dig out the reference.
I have another motive in posting it. This blog now has a much larger regular readership than it did a few years ago. In particular, following the referendum campaign, it has a much larger readership in Scotland. Since I returned to Scotland to campaign in the referendum and then decided to stay until we achieve independence, which I am determined will be before I kick the bucket, a number of voices have been raised to query who I am and where I come from, in the wider sense of the latter. Sometimes those voices have been hostile or suspicious. I shall therefore give the odd riffle through the back catalogue. You could of course buy my autobiography Murder in Samarkand, thus helping us to eat.
Those wishing to debate whether Craig’s Moray ancestors were Celts may be interested in this:
http://news.stv.tv/north/123531-moray-field-could-explain-why-romans-did-not-conquer-scotland/
Though only a DNA test would shed any real light on the matter.
MJ
Sure. What would your suggestion for a Rom homeland be? Put your money where your mouth is.
For all supporters of the Zionist construct to read and from which to learn some facts.
Majority of children in Gaza’s hardest-hit areas showing signs of severe emotional distress a year on from deadly war
Monday 6 July 2015
https://www.savethechildren.net/article/majority-children-gaza’s-hardest-hit-areas-showing-signs-severe-emotional-distress-year
and don’t mention the Occupation!
though of course the Jews have been persecuted for millenia. It was obvious to the Zionists that the Jews needed a homeland 50 years before WW2.
FIFY, with added historical accuracy.
If only the Celts had invented a single god to promise them Scotland, and if only the Scots hadn’t got on quite well with the neighbours when they went abroad, eh? Independence would be a given.
“It’s not hard. Your ancestors were not ruthlessly persecuted everywhere they settled, culminating with the genocide of 6 million of their number in the gas chambers within living memory”
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Very well said, Anon1.
I very much doubt that anyone will be able to counter your response.
http://www.imemc.org/article/68429
Zionism is bullshit , but a very lethal form of bullshit .
Today the 8th July will be the first anniversary of the 2014 51 Day Gazan slaughter . Above the names , ages and gender of the victims of those terrible 51 days and those who died subsequently of their wounds .
“Zionism is Bullshit”
Indeed it is, and they have influencial friends in high places to boot.
It shames us all that Westminster, Washington and most EU countries have let what happened in Palestine continue, such is the Zionists power and influence, very few countries dare to speak up, against Israeli/Zionist atrocities.
I think Israels stance towards Palestine, is a can of worms that can only be opened from the inside, I’ve read accounts of young Israelis refusing to do military service, their beliefs are, that whats going on is morally wrong and unacceptable.
The Arab world can no longer act as one to help the Palestinians Egypt has a Western backed government, Libya, Syria and Iraq are in constant turmoil, and Iran is under siege politically over its plans to construct nuclear weapons.
No change needs to come from within, is it possible? are their any references in history where such a change has taken place?
When they gave the future operation the name “Cast Lead”, they were obviously planning to have it take place over Hanukkah 2008, which just happened to be in the interval between the U.S. presidential election won by Obama and his inauguration as president. So the alleged casus belli (rockets from Gaza) was obviously more BS.
Highland Scots and Irish Celts were persecuted for centuries. Welsh and Breton culture were suppressed, again for centuries.
Very well said, Anon1.
“I very much doubt that anyone will be able to counter your response.”
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Habb my history is a bit rusty, but regarding the Jewish people were they not welcomed in Poland for many centuries.
Until around the 17th Cent when the Russian Empire, started persecuting them.
Habbabkuk,
I might counter that. The Roma are a very good parallel. Who do you want to evict from their homes to make a national homeland for them? I met one of the few surviving members of the Aramaic community two weeks ago, dispersed widely and historically persecuted almost to extinction. They could claim part of Palestine with more justice, but they don’t. I met a Scythian in Samarkand. The word is full of dispossessed nationalities. They don’t have a right to wherever their ancestors were 2,000 years ago. Frankly I am surprised at your intellectual laxity.
Very powerful new book on Israel’s latest Gaza war: Max Blumenthal’s The 51 Day War. It was released last week, in time for the anniversary of the war, and I read it on my Kindle over the weekend.
Blumenthal had a devastating critique of Israeli civil society published a couple of months before that latest war. Title Goliath
RepublicofScotland, just a note; I don’t know of any valid evidence that Iran has plans to build nuclear weapons. Iran is signed up to the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty whereby they undertake not to develop weapons, in exchange for the right to develop nuclear power together with a nuclear fuel cycle to support it. This gives Iran the right to produce low-enriched uranium, which is uranium enriched to 20% U-235. IAEA inspections have repeatedly and continually shown that no nuclear materials have been diverted from Iran’s civilian nuclear programme.
Excuse me, the celts of mainland Europe were almost wiped out by the Romans.
A good case can be made — and indeed has been made — that a good many of the peculiar features of the French language that distinguish it from the other Romance languages are due to the presence of a Gaulish substratum (to use the technical linguistic term). So, although Julius Caesar’s conquest is thought to have killed something like a million Gauls (perhaps a fifth of the population), many Gauls seem to have survived that conquest, even if their language was eventually suppressed.
Clarke, valid evidence, in my opinion would be hard to come by on such a topic of nuclear weapons, but it doesn’t of of course mean thatIran won’t try to produce them, it’s an open secret that Israel possess them, Mordechai Vanunu is testament to that.
I think what’s worrying the West and Israel so much is that Russia are building Iran’s nuclear power plants.
http://www.timesofisrael.com/russia-to-begin-building-irans-second-nuclear-power-plant/
“It’s not hard. Your ancestors were not ruthlessly persecuted everywhere they settled, culminating with the genocide of 6 million of their number in the gas chambers within living memory.”
That’s an argument for having a state for the Jewish people. It’s not an argument for siting it on top of people had no complicity in sending those 6 million to the gas chambers.
Just a little more on the destruction by Zionism of just one hospital in Gaza: it was ‘justified’ by the IDF on the basis of a blatant lie:
https://electronicintifada.net/blogs/nora-barrows-friedman/israel-used-fabricated-images-justify-bombing-al-wafa-hospital
Looks like they flattened it for lulz, as usual.
“Completely irrelevant if intended to be an “answer” to Anon1’s excellent response.”
A good example of your intellectual frailty. Black is white, relevance is irrelevance. Israeli brutality against people who did them no harm, indeed helped them is a very remarkable trait for a people who are supposed to have suffered and claim victimhood.
Anyway it’s a waste of time going back again over all the old claims. I’m just surprised that Anon1 dares bring out the old rubbish all over again.
Sorry, last was directed at Hababkuk 2.50.
There would have been an excellent case for giving East Prussia to the Jews (perhaps as a constituent republic of the USSR) at the end of World War Two. Most of the largely German population of East Prussia had already evacuated before the advance of the Red Army in 1945. Almost all the remaining Germans were expelled by the Soviet and Polish occupiers in the next couple of years. So the indigenous population was gone in any case.
And the Germans had been the prime perpetrators of the Holocaust, so, if anyone was to pay for that crime, it made the most sense for them — and certainly not the Palestinians — to pay.
The main reason the Russians wanted the half of East Prussia that they ended up getting, with the Baltic port of Koenigsberg/Kaliningrad, was that they wanted a Baltic port further south than the ones they already had. And since then Kaliningrad has been a major naval base for the USSR and Russia. It could still have served as a Soviet naval base if East Prussia had been made a Jewish constituent republic of the USSR.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism_in_Israel#Sephardim_and_Mizrahim_.28Middle_Eastern_and_North_African_Jews.29
@Anon1 2.50pm
” It was obvious to the world that Jews needed a homeland after WW2 . Now they have one and are safe from persecution ”
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Except they aren’t it appears . They would in fact have received less persecution and discrimination if they had chosen to live in Britain than Israel . Further complicated by the fact that you can’t construct a ” homeland ” both in and on what was the ” homeland ” of others .
Persecuted peoples like Native Americans have their own territories where they planted casinos to recoup their advantage.
They didn’t go all stealthy on the plan for revenge. They don’t hide behind a veil of religion and see everyone as the enemy.
Their only goal is to reach some parity, not global dominance. Zionism is not Judaism.
Republicofscotland, Iran didn’t have to join the NPT; for instance India and Pakistan didn’t join, and North Korea did but then left. Outside the NPT Iran wouldn’t have to admit IAEA inspectors. The US NSA were also satisfied that Iran was not developing nuclear weapons. Iran’s Ayatollah didn’t have to issue a fatwa pronouncing nuclear weapons un-Islamic; I suppose the fatwa could be dishonest, but you’d expect it to interfere with recruitment of weapons scientists within Iran, and with keeping any such programme secret.
I suspect the demonisation of Iran’s nuclear programme is partly pro-Israeli propaganda, partly to hold back Iran’s industrial and scientific development, and partly commercial – Iran has a “research reactor” (which is the standard name for such reactors) fuelled by uranium enriched to 20%, which can produce valuable isotopes for industrial, medical and scientific purposes. There aren’t many such reactors worldwide and I suspect that certain commercial concerns don’t want any competition from Iran.
Having said all that, I’d rather Iran (and all other countries) would stop building power reactors.
They would in fact have received less persecution and discrimination if they had chosen to live in Britain than Israel .
… and roughly half the world’s Jewish population lives in the USA to this day, where they are doing very nicely thank you, and are apparently discriminated for in some respectably-rewarded areas. The ‘homeland’ doesn’t seem to appeal to them.
How the system works against a Palestine supporter. From Alison Weir of If Americans Knew who has also had a hard time of it recently from the same quarters.
July 8, 2015
Donald Neff: a Journalist Erased From History for Reporting on Palestine
by Alison Weir
One of the top journalists to report on Palestine-Israel has died.
Donald Neff passed away on May 10 in his hometown of York, Pennsylvania, at the age of 84. The cause of death was heart disease and diabetes.
Neff was a luminous writer and meticulous reporter. From humble beginnings, he had reached the top ranks of American journalism. When he then turned his formidable talents to writing books and articles about Palestine, his contracts with mainstream American publishers dried up, his income plummeted, and his fame faded.
Today, even many activists in the growing Palestine solidarity movement are unaware of Neff’s groundbreaking work. This is unfortunate, since he exposed critical facts about Palestine with unparalleled precision and elegance. Much of the information he uncovered is still significant today.
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http://www.counterpunch.org/2015/07/08/donald-neff-a-journalist-erased-from-history-for-reporting-on-palestine/
I think what’s worrying the West and Israel so much is that Russia are building Iran’s nuclear power plants.
How many Western contractors, signed up on their contracts sent their people at great expense to Iranians to chalk up the site and then disappeared into the setting sun?
How many times Iranians were let down by various Western contractors, including the Japanese outfits. The project began by the Germans whom then packed up and left and then the USUKEU made sure Saddam started a war and bombed the the place to rubble, post which there were lots of Western contractors pretending they would clean up the mess and build the reactor facility, got the money and then left.
That is in addition to the fact that, Eurodif European Gaseous Diffusion Uranium Enrichment Consortium is partly owned by Iranians, and as such they are entitled to have access to its’ produce, this issue has made little difference to the French whom have blocked any Iranian access to the enriched uranium they were entitled too. Evidently Iranians are good enough cash cows, but not good enough partners to be treated with respect and afforded access to the enriched uranium, produced by the company they partly own.
Based on the above, if the Western contractors mess their clients around based on closed shop practices of the banksters and their selected political appointees, then these contractors should expect their customers to find alternative suppliers. Hence your proposition is somewhat puzzling in the light of the above, as to why the West is owed a living and why is there such a sense of entitlement by the Western operatives to the funds of sovereign countries in far away lands?
Silence from Habbabkuk.
Mary @ 4.40
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xy_cUpxT884
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RFB0pJYO-QA
NYSE [New York Stock Exchange] trading has been halted. Story is datelined half an hour ago. They say that it’s just a technical glitch. If they’re telling the truth, one wonders if it’s hacking that’s at work.
Yes Clarke you may well be correct, Iran in all probability is only concerned with producing energy, and Israel sees something that isn’t there.
I agree nuclear power isn’t the way forward.