The Labour Party is being remarkably coy about releasing the actual result of its Scottish accounting unit leadership election, giving only a percentage. The entirely complacent unionist media is complicit in what amounts to a deception. The stunning truth is that in a one person, one vote election among the entire membership of the Labour Party in Scotland plus trades union supporters, Dugdale won with 5,217 votes (out of a claimed electorate of 21,000, many of whom do not exist or could not be arsed to choose between two right wing numpties).
UPDATE: A second Labour figure just rang me to assure me my information – which was from a good source – is wrong. She would not give the actual figure and only said it was “higher”. I offered to take down the post and publish an accurate figure if she would give it, but this was declined.
Democracy Dunchyou love its’ smell in the morning?
The turgid claims of “freedom”, and putrid system can only be maintained through deception and pretense.
Second Labour figure: My guess is 5218.
“many of whom do not exist or could not be arsed to choose between two right wing numpties”
This is just abuse rather than politics.
5,000 votes for a labour leader to lead a population of 5,500,000? Now thats adding abuse upon the NO vote injury.
So, in that case, 5,217 it is.
Did I not read that it was possible for a person to have up to 3 votes for the Slab leader?
Nicola will be purring.
I heard she had 72% of the vote? If so, this means that less than 7500 Labour “members” could be bothered to vote. So Labour in Scotland expect us to believe that more than 15,000 don’t give a monkey’s? Yeah right.
The Guardian of Corporate interests says:
“Dugdale, the favourite, won 72.1% of the vote, and Macintosh 27.9%.”
So that would be 15141 votes out of 21000.
5217 with the initial 1 lopped off, perhaps.
Not that you can trust The Guardian, or nuLab apparatchiks. I think they sometimes tell lies.
Interesting spat going on over at Medialens.
Polly Toynbee is being asked about an opinion poll she quoted against Corby. She’s been asked for the poll details. Hasn’t replied as yet. Others can’t find the poll.
http://members5.boardhost.com/medialens/thread/1439637571.html
Oh my leader, show me the way, which way shall I tread,
tell me leader have you heard of democracy and do you know Fred?
what oh leader shall we do when we are without you?
leader oh dear leader why have we got brains, when we’re too fickle and lazy to bother voting when it rains?
leader, come lead us we’re lost without you, please pop round ours, show me we’re I lost my left shoe.
I need leadership for when to go to the loo, my life goals explained, for everything I do.
But why? what can devolution achieve were evolution has failed. Do we not need local leaders? rather than one over arching who can’t cope, who runs around tired, over worked, harassed by every dupe that holds a pen?
Yeah. OK. Scrap the first bit of my last.
Much too generous.
Obviously no one gives a fuck about nuLab Scotland. Not even their members.
5,217 people think Kezia shoud be awarded some role in Scottish politics. That is an incredible statistic. The mountain is higher than I thought.
Nicola Sturgeon of course received exactly zero votes when she became leader of the SNP.
or more exactly she received just one vote – Mr Salmond’s
Doesn’t this confirm, as many people have stated, that SLAB has around 6000 members.
With the additional voting (many people can vote twice), I make this a total of 7000 votes. Being generous and taking out double-voting by only 1000 votes, this brings it down to 6000.
Deborah from Labour for Independence stated last year that SLAB was not quite on 5000 members, but hardly above it.
Does anyone know how many members the SSP has? Surely equal airtime should be given to the likes of SSP and Solidarity?
RIC has to hire enormous conference centres for their events. Has anyone seen these Lib Dem “conferences” in comparison (and they don’t even pay their policing bills afterwards either, the arrogant so-and-sos!).
She is utterly dreadful. A sawdust-filled bag of cliches of the same sort spouted at speed by Kendooper, Harman, Johnson, Straw, Brown, etc.
When the other day I heard her and her rival (forget his name, but he achieved “27%”, apparently) being interviewed, the latter at least was saying a few meaningful things (though not up to Corbyn’s sincere and natural style), whilst Dugdale sounded like something from the Fowler bros’ chapter on meangingless garbage.
If that’s meant to be S. Labour’s answer to the nationalists, Mhairi will scythe her at the knees like ripe oats.
One has to hope Corbyn will re-enfranchise the grassroots, so that these sorts of automata can be purged.
O/T Remembering those who died in WWII and the survivors who were on parade today.
Have you noticed all the knocking copy against Japan on the media? We are an unbearable and sanctimonious nation. You would think we had never waged war, invaded countries and killed millions over time.
Recommend ‘The Blood Never Dried’ by John Newsinger.
https://www.sscnet.ucla.edu/southasia/History/British/jolly_good.html
https://thebloodneverdried.wordpress.com/2012/05/01/excerpts-from-john-newsingers-the-blood-never-dried-a-peoples-history-of-the-british-empire/
No sign of leftist entryism then.
With Alex Rowley as her deputy, no sign of leftist anything actually.
If any doubts remain about the numbers, check with Ruth Davidson, she’s been known to have the inside track on postal voting and the like.
Mary, yes Newsinger is good as is Curtis.
RD – are you perhaps becoming Fred? There were no other nominations than Nicola’s, and conference was in favour.
http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/13184954.Sturgeon_in_unprecedented_tour_before_Cabinet_reshuffle/
I mean, see where elections get you, after all. In the case of Scottish labour….out.
No surpise that Dugdale won, however certain pundits were tipping Gordon Matheson as her deputy.
Matheson by his own actions has caused ructions in Glasgow City Council, the knives will be out for him now.
Frank MacAveety and Archie Graham (Johann Lamont’s) husband have been jockeying for the position of leader of the GCC.
Both men are just as hopeless as Matheson
Baal – good to see the principles of democratic centralism are alive and well in the SNP.
Mary, yes. The proper care taken to distinguish between Germans and Nazis in the media seems always absent when it come’s to the Japanese component of the Axis. But then, they are clearly “other”, unlike those Germans, a sort-of humourless version of “us”.
Lot of sour grapes from resident dissident as he desperately trolls his way here.
“Baal – good to see the principles of democratic centralism are alive and well in the SNP.”
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RD speaks of democracy, when the House of Lords is an affront to the democratic process.
Tell, me again how many Lords are about to be made up by David Cameron?
I feel pleased with myself, a few years back I got 7200 votes from my union colleagues to secure a place on a committee.
Never won – very strange democracy – to hold such a high position with influence in a parliament with so few.
Dugdale has worked as ‘Adviser to Lord Foulkes
She worked from 2007 to 2011 for the Labour Lothians Regional MSP George Foulkes, Baron Foulkes of Cumnock as his office manager and political adviser.’
He visited Israel in 2002.
‘1-2 July 2002, to Israel, as fraternal delegate to Israeli Labour Party Conference. All costs covered by Labour Friends of Israel. (Registered 18 July 2002)
He is now Lord Foulkes of Cumnock.
Sidekick to Murphy and stood in for him at FMQ as he was not a MSP. He was however ‘the Chair of the Labour Friends of Israel from 2001 to 2002, and is a member of the Henry Jackson Society’s Political Council.’
She should have kept better company.
Both Ken Macintoch and Kezia Dugdale made it clear that they had no wish to run a separate Scottish Labour Party, where decisions, suitable for Scotland’s issues and Scotland’s views could be made about policy. So there was no opportunity for the membership to vote for that option.
They were happy with the status quo, where policy decisions are made in London.
There you have it in a nutshell Dugdale will keep taking orders from the head office in London,she’s another Toom Tabard.
Herbie. Ref Toynbee. She is on next week’s Any Questions on Friday 21st August. Jeremy too + Truss + Dan Jones (who he?)
Should be interesting.
21st August on Radio 4 at 8pm,
Any Questions?
Ritula Shah presents political debate from the Radio Theatre at Broadcasting House, London, with the Labour leadership contender Jeremy Corbyn MP, the historian Dan Jones, Guardian columnist Polly Toynbee and the Secretary of State for the Department of the Environment Food and Rural Affairs Elizabeth Truss.
“RD speaks of democracy, when the House of Lords is an affront to the democratic process.
Tell, me again how many Lords are about to be made up by David Cameron?”
I agree – I’ve never supported David Cameron or the House of Lords, even though I do believe in a 2nd democratically chamber to act as a check and balance on the 1st chamber and for detailed specialist review of legislation. Perhaps you could remind what would perform such function in independent Scotland. You might wish to point me to where I can find live debate and disagreement within the SNP (apart from Craig) – or are you in favour of a one party, one chamber state for the new Scotland?