The Labour Party is being remarkably coy about releasing the actual result of its Scottish accounting unit leadership election, giving only a percentage. The entirely complacent unionist media is complicit in what amounts to a deception. The stunning truth is that in a one person, one vote election among the entire membership of the Labour Party in Scotland plus trades union supporters, Dugdale won with 5,217 votes (out of a claimed electorate of 21,000, many of whom do not exist or could not be arsed to choose between two right wing numpties).
UPDATE: A second Labour figure just rang me to assure me my information – which was from a good source – is wrong. She would not give the actual figure and only said it was “higher”. I offered to take down the post and publish an accurate figure if she would give it, but this was declined.
Daily Mail is now revealing stuff about Hillary Clinton that I have yet to see in the Washington Post: EXCLUSIVE: Hillary’s email firm was run from a loft apartment with its servers in the BATHROOM, raising new questions over security of sensitive messages she held (actual reporting at the Colorado site of the server company).
FBI probe of Clinton’s server could show other email accounts, security levels and even HACKER intrusions.
State Department ‘finds’ 81,000 emails in account of longtime Hillary Clinton adviser two years after claiming they didn’t exist.
So the Daily Mail seems to be doing actual reporting from here in the U.S.
Hello Suhayl – always good to see your posts, very nice to see you actually have the time to write here these days.
This sort of political intolerance you describe is the ruin of many progressive ideas which might actually have been worthwhile, had they been openly discussed and worked upon. Differences and questions should be tolerated. You mentioned earlier about mouthing slogans without understanding their meaning any longer – that surely can also be applied to religions.
Failure to observe the tenets of faith with sufficient enthusiasm has been seen as enough reason (excuse, perhaps?) to visit denouncements, sanctions, hideous punishment, death and war at its extremes. It is very bothersome to me that human nature will allow sizable proportions to leap into such meting with no little glee. It seems that humans tend towards accepting that there is to be conflict. Perhaps it really is just down to testosterone, urging for a need to fight and find enemies – particularly in cultures where other outlets for satisfying hormonal urges are frowned upon.
When one sees this among those on “our side” of a political divide, it is quite a disappointment – we like to think of our lot as a bit more tolerant, thoughtful, open to debate. Mr Goss is outstanding in this regard – he’ll remain a gentleman, even during a disagreement. Far better at it than myself, for instance.
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A case in point – about a week back, some young ladies of questionable judgement hijacked a Bernie Sanders rally. A few thousand people had shown up to see Sanders, who is running as a democratic socialist for US president, and garnering great interest, particularly among disillusioned and young voters. Much as Corbyn is doing here, incidentally.
The two “Black Lives Matter” (BLM) self-proclaimed representatives barged Sanders out of the way, denounced him, the crowd and most of Seattle as white-power racists. This is a particular shame, because Sanders had been fighting for minority rights, probably prior to these protestors’ parents being born.
Some progressive liberals thought this protest was great – BLM is a serious issue, and now it had more attention, and Sanders has only benefited from the extra attention.
Other progressive liberals thought it was an outrage – Sanders is the last person the BLM movement should denounce, why not go after La Clinton, or the stinking Republican candidates instead?
The animosity generated because of a difference in these positions, and the energy with which they argued, ridiculed and denounced the other, was fascinating and terrible to see.
“I am not going to give the name of the man who is apparently the sole living former LibDem MP from Birmingham, as it has been suggested that to do so might prejudice a trial.”
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With respect, I think the author of the above over-estimates ever so slightly the importance of his comments with regard to any possible forthcoming proceedings.
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“It may be easy to determine who was the subject of my comment at 7:57 with a bit of googling, but my comments have not accused that person of doing anything wrong.”
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No, you never do, do you. Much more fun just to drop little hints. Reminds me a little of the connection the author of the above made between the accusations against Sir Edward Heath and the fact that two of his yachts were wrecked (one about three years after Heath sold it!) 🙂
Just because Resident Dissident does not want to engage in support of his beloved fascists in Ukraine does not mean I’m going to stop reporting what MSM keeps quiet about.
Kiev has moved heavy artillery closer to the people’s self-declared republics. This is in contravention of Minsk 2. Russia is becoming impatient with the bombardment of lies from the puppet regime in Ukraine.
http://tass.ru/en/world/815090
Russia calls on the Ukrainian government to honour the Minsk agreements.
http://tass.ru/en/world/815083
I thought I recognized the name of the website, Unfashionista.
Louise Mensch, a former Con MP, now in NY with her band manager husband and children and one time member of the DCMS committee under Whittingdale’s chairmanship when the NoTW stuff was coming out. Whittingdale has been rewarded by Cameron with the job of DCMS Sec of State.
She used to write chick lit under the name Bagshawe.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louise_Mensch
Revolting stuff/slime about Jeremy.
http://unfashionista.com/2015/08/17/every-dead-british-soldier-is-a-victory-jeremy-corbyns-parliamentary-guest/
Craig
Democratic Sham
July 19, 2011
If ever proof were needed that our political system is a pretend democracy, the abysmal performance of today’s select committees should remove any doubt. The lack of any tenacious or forensic questioning on just what people knew and just when they knew it, was startling. Rebecca Brooks apparently very seldom visited the paper she edited and had no idea what happened there. Nobody had any idea why they might be meeting the legal costs of assorted criminals. Nobody asked Brooks straight out exactly how much she knew about payments to coppers.
Most sycophantic of all was Louise Mensch, in her helpful attempts to ask questions revealing that all the News of the World did was the same as the rest of Fleet Street, and it had some good effects, like combating paedophiles. I lost count of mentions of Sara’s Law and paedophiles – no mention of the mob they incited to attack a paediatrician, though. These MPs are so used to asking servile questions at Prime Minister’s Question Time, they don’t seem to realise how they look to the rest of us.
If anybody had any doubt that most MP’s, News International and the top people at the Met are all part of the same corrupt governing political class, the scales must surely have dropped from the eyes now. What a pathetic bunch of parasites.
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She used to vet the speakers at the Oxford Union
‘The students no longer have any autonomy in the the Oxford Union where speakers and videos have to be approved in advance by a solidly and uniformly right wing board of trustees which includes William Hague and Louise Mensch.’
For the attention of Ms unMENSCHunable
Gilad Atzmon on Paul Eisen (referred to by Mensch in her piece)
http://dissidentvoice.org/2015/08/the-kingmaker/
Thanks Suhayl, I shall have to do a bit of work this morning and think about the irrelevances we all have lived in during our life’s.
My point is that without a fair vote we will never get to those who maneuver society and skip the law as they wish, because they can and have powerful allies. there is no difference between a cesspit and a tax haven in my view, both accrue the detritus gathered.
I don’t think that your points are invalid, or ought to be heard here, its just that I do not agree that the salvation and change will come from the established parties, it will come from a fair vote and a new political landscape. despite the Lib Dems, ehem now strongly coming back they say,,,,being breakfast to the Tory’s coalitions are the way forward.
I would advocate coalitions to form themselves well before elections, to show a new cordial to the electorate, rather than pursuing a one party goal one would stand on a plethora of policies.
hang in there, one day it’ll happen
Kiev has moved heavy artillery closer to the people’s self-declared republics. This is in contravention of Minsk 2.
Only if the
Russiansdemocratic freedom fighters of the heroic Donbass brigades haven’t got artillery within range.(2) Pull-out of all heavy weapons by both sides to equal distance with the aim of creation of a security zone on minimum 50 kilometres (31 mi) apart for artillery of 100mm calibre or more, and a security zone of 70 kilometres (43 mi) for multiple rocket launchers (MRLS) and 140 kilometres (87 mi) for MLRS Tornado-S, Uragan, Smerch, and Tochka U tactical missile systems:
for Ukrainian troops, from actual line of contact;
for armed formations of particular districts of Donetsk and Luhansk oblasts of Ukraine, from the contact line in accordance with the Minsk Memorandum as of 19 September 2014
The pullout of the above-mentioned heavy weapons must start no later than the second day after the start of the ceasefire and finish within 14 days.
This process will be assisted by OSCE with the support of the Trilateral Contact Group. (Minsk 2, Wiki)
The inescapable conclusion from this:
http://www.osce.org/ukraine-smm/177826
is that at least on the 16th, each side’s heavy artillery was well within 50Km of the line, and firing.
Russia is becoming impatient with the bombardment of lies from the puppet regime in Ukraine.
Not quite sure what business of Russia’s it is, John. Especially as Russia isn’t involved in any way, has no territorial ambitions whatever in Eastern and Black Sea Ukraine, and is particularly nice to stray kittens.
John Do you have sight of reports carried by this website? Very detailed. Horrendous.
‘Introduction by New Cold War.org, August 18, 2015
The following is a compilation of eleven news reports that provide some overview of the scale of the recent escalation of shelling and other military activity by the Ukrainian armed forces and the extremist paramilitary forces allied with it in the Donbas region of eastern Ukraine.
Below those news reports is the daily report for August 16, 2015 of the Special Monitoring Mission (SMM) in Ukraine of the Organisation for Security and Cooperation in Europe (OSCE). This typical, daily report is especially lengthy.’
http://newcoldwar.org/grim-toll-of-rising-ukrainian-shelling-in-donbas-eastern-ukraine/
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There’s no show without Punch.
‘A true friend’: Ukraine president asks Tony Blair to take on advisory role
Unclear whether former British PM will take up offer by Petro Poroshenko, as Blair meets other key figures in Kiev hosted by oligarch Viktor Pinchuk
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jun/18/ukraine-president-asks-tony-blair-advisory-role-poroshenko
An American on the death of a friend and the lack of healthcare in the US.
He says –
‘But of course health care is a privilege in the USA. It is your right, as a US citizen, to have more than 7,000 expensive nuclear weapons on obscenely costly Trident submarines and Stealth bombers, all prepped all the time to destroy life on Earth. It is your right, as an American, to project power and dominance from approximately 1,000 military bases on the sovereign soil of other people’s lands, costing far more than universal health care would ever cost. No other country does this. Find me the Chinese bases in Europe; find me the Russian bases in Oceana or Africa. Look in 153 of the 193 nation-states on Earth and you’ll find only US bases. Look in Todd’s room and you won’t find him. He and thousands of others are sacrificed on the altar of militarism every year.’
Spot on.
http://www.counterpunch.org/2015/08/19/toddcare/
A true friend’: Ukraine president asks Tony Blair to take on advisory role
Unclear whether former British PM will take up offer by Petro Poroshenko, as Blair meets other key figures in Kiev hosted by oligarch Viktor Pinchuk
As noted at the time on An Apology. In which you will see that immediately after the visit to Kiev in which this was discussed, Blair flew to St. Petersburg to attend Putin’s showpiece competitor to the World Economic Forum.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3130590/Blair-shows-credibility-Putin-summit-Former-PM-speaks-vanity-summit-set-Russian-leader-alongside-regime-s-ministers.html
Mr Blair told the audience of Russian businessmen how they could improve their performance by following the lessons of his delivery unit, which he introduced in Downing Street to speed up school and hospital reforms.
So I wouldn’t regard Ukraine as any better than Russia on the Blair-approval index.
The following is a compilation of eleven news reports that provide some overview of the scale of the recent escalation of shelling and other military activity by the Ukrainian armed forces and the extremist paramilitary forces allied with it in the Donbas region of eastern Ukraine.
But not of anyone else shooting?
Below those news reports is the daily report for August 16, 2015 of the Special Monitoring Mission (SMM) in Ukraine of the Organisation for Security and Cooperation in Europe (OSCE). This typical, daily report is especially lengthy.’
To which I linked in the post immediately above yours. August 16th is the latest report to appear on the site: the others may be found immediately below.
Both sides are breaking the Minsk agreement.
Don’t bother telling me you don’t read my posts before immediately jumping in to dispute them with a c&p you haven’t read or understood either. I know. It’s obvious.
Update, latest OSCE report (18th)
http://www.osce.org/ukraine-smm/178011
The SMM re-visited two “DPR” and eight Ukrainian Armed Forces heavy weapons holding areas, whose locations comply with the respective Minsk withdrawal lines. At one “DPR” holding area, the SMM noted the absence of two 152mm artillery pieces, whilst at the other, all previously-recorded weapons were present. At Ukrainian Armed Forces sites, the SMM noted the absence of the following previously-recorded weapons: nine towed howitzers (2A65 Msta-B, 152mm); 10 MLRS (BM-21 Grad, 122mm); four towed anti-tank guns (2A19 MT-12 Rapira, 100mm); four self-propelled howitzers (2S1 Gvozdika, 122mm); four towed guns (2A36 Giatsint-B, 152mm); eight anti-tank missile systems (9P149 Shturm-S); and five self-propelled howitzers (2S3 Akatsiya, 152 mm).
In addition to weapons spotted by SMM UAVS in areas around Mariupol, the SMM observed the following weapons in areas that are non-compliant with the Minsk withdrawal lines: in “DPR”-controlled areas, 18 T-72 main battle tanks – in two separate areas – and a 122mm artillery piece; and, in a government-controlled area, a military-type truck towing a 120mm mortar piece.
It’s hotting up. I think we can safely forget about Minsk 2.
I did read your post. You are being patronizing, again. You do not like any contradictions.
“I think we can safely forget about Minsk 2”
Wonderful, so we welcome neocon initiated unlimited thermonuclear war in Europe; that’s one way to stop people worrying about the economy. Oh, look, a squirrel!
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Vice.com actually sent journalists to interview the foot-soldiers on both sides, the unsurprising news was that both sides’ leaders are lying, UA is still ‘overmatched’ against RU, but UA is such a prize for the neocons that they won’t give up?
You are being patronizing, again. You do not like any contradictions.
Back at you.
Wonderful, so we welcome neocon initiated unlimited thermonuclear war in Europe; that’s one way to stop people worrying about the economy.
Yup. RT, Sputnik, Voltaire, Global Research and, er, newcoldwar.org, to name but a few outlets sharing journalists with Russian credentials*, would certainly like us to be very afraid of that.
*here’s one:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/9146307/Barrister-struck-off-over-claim-that-senior-law-lord-had-him-kidnapped.html
“Yup. RT, Sputnik, Voltaire, Global Research and, er, newcoldwar.org, to name but a few outlets sharing journalists with Russian credentials*, would certainly like us to be very afraid of that.”
Here’s the fascist side in Ukraine fearing something similar:
‘We are in danger’: Ukrainian foreign minister says he fears Russian invasion amid claims Putin ‘wants to start World War Three’
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2612817/Putin-issues-new-threat-against-Ukraine-as.html
Yours seems only a partial account.
Ooooh look!
Here’s the OSCE chief warning that the US arming of Kiev risks war with Russia:
“The United States risks provoking a more direct intervention by Russia in the separatist conflict in Ukraine if it sends weapons to Kiev, the head of the OSCE security watchdog said on Sunday.”
http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/02/08/us-ukraine-crisis-osce-idUSKBN0LC0UT20150208
Obviously Reuters has been infiltrated by those ever devious Russians.
Yours seems only a partial account.
Very true. Given that Goss is sucking from the Kremlin teat, a little balance seems desirable. I’m providing it.
Ukraine is suffering from a perceived lack of co-operation from the West, though. It’s probably outgunned now, and if it isn’t, it is (and I am) sure that resources to outmatch it can speedily be wheeled into place by Moscow. So no surprise that it is playing up WW3 to underline the urgency of aid. It wants more help. Putin wants less help for Ukraine, and he’s using WW3 as a threat – rather successfully. Perhaps there’s a basis for agreement there…it’s very much up to them.
PS. Not all Ukrainians wishing to remain Ukrainian and unscorched are fascist. Some Russians are also fascist, and Putin doesn’t seem to be locking them up. There’s actually very little indeed to choose between the two, socio-politically speaking.
The Reuters piece is pretty objective, and it doesn’t mention WW3.
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/blog/live/2015/aug/19/blunkett-speaks-out-against-corbyn-politics-live-readers-edition#comment-57795679
Apart from zero credibility had to leave office.
Machine gun Blunkett. What`s he going to do call for machine guns again.
“Martin Narey, the former director general of the prison service, claimed that Blunkett had once told him to use the army and machine guns, to deal with rioting prisoners.”
Thanks Mary at 9.26 am. I had not seen that particular site but was aware frm other sites what is happening. MSM = three mnkeys. Perhaps Ba’al should read it too. He seems to be under the impression that this killing of civilians is going on daily on both sides.
As to it being no business of Russia, it is every business of Russia being a long-term business partner, Ukraine being traditionally a part of Russia, and Vladimir Putin having initiated and negotiated the Minsk agreements. What it is no business of is the USA and UK which foment war all over the world and create failed states and civil wars where peace previously existed.
What danger is there of the Ukraine thing spilling over into a broader war?
Your view seems to be that Russian concens about this are merely statements of self-interest.
You also argue that even Kiev’s concerns are self-interested statements to other objectives.
Could German concens about a broader war be put down to self-interest.
American?
Polish?
At what point should we take concerns about a broader escalation more seriously?
An interesting development here that is already effective, affecting the MSM
http://climatefeedback.org
we just need the online feedback tools on the *rest* of the news that is filtered/poisoned by the nudge agenda and other secret teams
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/money/news/article-3202652/The-hidden-hand-pulling-financial-strings-secretive-government-nudge-unit-tries-manipulate-behaviour-help-sinister.html
Ba’al at 10:06 am.
Yes I read the OSCE report. It is released by the same two clients Resident Dissident keeps linking to and is anything but impartial. Those clutching at straws will present anything as evidence. I have emailed these people in the past questioning their data. They do not respond.
Contacts
Michael Bociurkiw
Spokesperson
OSCE Special Monitoring Mission to Ukraine
26 Turhenevska Street
01054 Kyiv
Ukraine
Office: +380 44 382 0832
Mobile: +38 067 4083107
[email protected]
Iryna Gudyma
Senior Press Assistant
OSCE Special Monitoring Mission to Ukraine
26 Turhenevska Street
01054 Kyiv
Ukraine
Mobile: +38 067 4021716
[email protected]
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Good Piece here From John Hilley, demolishing the Guardian Re Corbyn.
” As Moore bewails:
You should be able to express doubt about Corbyn without risking vitriol.
Note the coy use of words here: while an entire media effort to bombard Corbyn with abusive distortion can be reduced to “doubt”, responses to it are to be condemned as “vitriol”.”
http://johnhilley.blogspot.co.uk/2015/08/trashing-corbyn-promoting-brown.html
Eh
Where went my post Re John Hilley’s new Peice ?
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Might have been from my end, So.. try again
Here John in great form Demolishing the Guardian Re Corbyn Coverage.
http://johnhilley.blogspot.co.uk/2015/08/trashing-corbyn-promoting-brown.html
10.40am I am not arrogant nor rude to others here.
From the link you kindly supplied, Herbie:
Russia has portrayed the conflict as a struggle against the West, which, it says, wants to remake the world according to its own interests. Zannier said that by sending weapons to Kiev, the West would only strengthen the Russian narrative.
From you:
Your view seems to be that Russian concens about this are merely statements of self-interest.
You also argue that even Kiev’s concerns are self-interested statements to other objectives.
I’d be very disappointed if my government didn’t act in the country’s interest. (I often am, but that’s another can of worms entirely). Retaining
I’m just saying that ramping up the nuclear issue serves both sides’ interests to some extent.
German and Polish ditto. Both have had some Russian occupation, and, inexplicably enough, don’t want any more.
American? Clearly, they have a considerable investment in European security to protect. Extending NATO protection to Ukraine would be an unwise move IMO, but as Western Ukraine is pretty solidly in the European camp, and borders it, it’s a difficult position.
At what point should we take concerns about a broader escalation more seriously?
Right now, of course. In any conflict, that concern is paramount. One way to address that is to stop shooting and negotiate, before it gets any worse. Another other way is to give Russia exactly what it wants. And a third way is to give Ukraine exactly what it wants. Them’s the options, and the rest, from both sides, is exclusively about national interest. I don’t see how you can question that.
In my own opinion, a wider escalation is unlikely at the moment. The forces (with which Russia consistently denies collaborating – though their supporters here ignore this) are engaged in a low-level war of attrition and infiltration, and both sides recognise that. Russia’s -sorry- the heroic freedom fighters’ objectives include the coastal strip with Mariupol and control of the Donetsk region. Politically and militarily, staking a claim and nibbling away at the margins suits them fine. A full-blown blitzkrieg would risk further escalation…and that’s why they’re not doing it.