The Labour Party is being remarkably coy about releasing the actual result of its Scottish accounting unit leadership election, giving only a percentage. The entirely complacent unionist media is complicit in what amounts to a deception. The stunning truth is that in a one person, one vote election among the entire membership of the Labour Party in Scotland plus trades union supporters, Dugdale won with 5,217 votes (out of a claimed electorate of 21,000, many of whom do not exist or could not be arsed to choose between two right wing numpties).
UPDATE: A second Labour figure just rang me to assure me my information – which was from a good source – is wrong. She would not give the actual figure and only said it was “higher”. I offered to take down the post and publish an accurate figure if she would give it, but this was declined.
“Expect much more of this in the next month – and if Corbyn is elected, expect even more, thereafter. I full expect to read next week in a broadsheet that the election of Jeremy Corbyn as Labour Leader will result in a Martian invasion.”
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Im afraid Suhayl the old outer space attack has already been used by Westminster, when Phil Hammond said an independent Scotland would be open to attack from outer space.
Beam me up Scotty.
A recent 20 minute interview with Corbyn; not mainstream media, which is why I found it interesting, and maybe others might find it interesting as well…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rqqDxSKFt3A
“Expect much more of this in the next month – and if Corbyn is elected, expect even more, thereafter. I full expect to read next week in a broadsheet that the election of Jeremy Corbyn as Labour Leader will result in a Martian invasion.”
It seems like the Blairites already believe that there’s been a Martian invasion, of their Labour Party.
I have it on good authority that the Shadowy Cabal are planning a fake alien invasion to trigger worldwide martial law as the next stage of our enslavement. It’s called Project Blue Beam, I believe. So if a real alien invasion turns up at the same time it could get very confusing.
When 9/11 happened, the U.S. government had an air defense drill already going on.
From RoS to Herbie:
“That explains it all then, your response to my questions on your limp remarks, are as clear as mud.”
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There you go, Herbie – others have seen through you as well.
KingOfWelshNoir
I agree it would be confusing.
But never fear, Lysias will surely be on hand to explain it all to us and to guide us to true understanding..
Mary
“They just cannot help themselves.”
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You mean like when you wrote
“John Woodcock MP is a Labour Friend of Israel, chair of Progress and a supporter for Kendall as leader. He visited Israel in 2011 under the auspices of LFoI.” ?
For clarification, ‘they’ = the Corbyn naysayer brigade. He is being wrongfully accused by them of anti-semitism.
“He is being wrongfully accused by them of anti-semitism.”
True Mary.. But they will try – no matter how Low, and dishonest –
4 reasons the “anti-Semitism” attacks on Jeremy Corbyn are dishonest
“4. Not even the Israel lobby directly claims Corbyn is an anti-Semite
The Telegraph splashed on its front page Saturday the headline claim that a Labour lawmaker had accused Corbyn of “anti-Semitic rhetoric.”
Problem: this was a straight-up lie; there was no such claim.
The original statement by Ivan Lewis criticizes Corbyn for allegedly “failing to speak out against [other] people who have engaged … in anti-Semitic rhetoric.”
This is carefully worded to associate Corbyn with anti-Semitism, while falling short of actually libeling him as an anti-Semite.
But even this narrow claim by Lewis, a former vice-chair of Labour Friends of Israel, does not stand up to scrutiny.
In 2009, when Lewis was named foreign office minister for the Middle East, The Independent noted that his appointment “raised eyebrows in the Foreign Office” as he had been “one of the most outspoken political supporters of Israel’s [2008-2009] military assault on Gaza. Critics can’t help but wonder how objective Lewis is likely to be in his new post.”
More on this @
https://electronicintifada.net/blogs/asa-winstanley/4-reasons-anti-semitism-attacks-jeremy-corbyn-are-dishonest
“He is joining in the smears on Corbyn.
‘John Woodcock @JWoodcockMP · 52 minutes ago
Re #PM – valid questions on Labour’s foreign policy under Corbyn. It’s right we currently don’t associate with proscribed terrorist groups.’”
Why is it a smear? It is a matter of public record that Corbyn has associated with Hamas, Hezbollah and before that the IRA – all of which are/were in whole or part proscribed terrorist groups. You may wish to argue that this is ok – but the facts still stand.
P.s Mods
cheers for releasing my earlier John Hilly posts From Spam Filter.. Sorry about the Duplicates
BTW I don’t think Corbyn is an anti-Semite – despite his weakness in condemning those with whom he associates some of whom clearly are.
R.D come on
Lets believe Hamas are terrorist.. ok
but who caused all that terror, death and destruction last summer, in Gaza.
Saadi, what is this line of fucking questioning? Your oafish high schooler assumptions and baseless assertions based on some weird jump to the conclusion that you have reached to ask such a puerile stupid question?
What is your major malfunction Saadi? Why do you keep asking such a stupid question, and keep insisting on asking it? Have you mixed me up w3ith the other character birds hit or whatever he calls himself these days?
Your hatred of Islam and Muslims compels you to box anyone that so much as exhibits slightest sympathy for Muslims and their religion as an “extremist and Caliphatist”! This was the affliction of the other empath Jon the ex mod too.
You started asking this stupid question on the subject of zionistan and fact that supremacist vermin have no place in any civilised society or any civilised debate! “Funny” antizionist claims and credentials, won’t you agree?
@Goss 18 August 9:47am
“The Newsweek report blaming the freedom fighters of Donetsk (which it derogatorily calls ‘rebels’) in favour of RD’s beloved fascist AZOV battalion stationed in Mariupol is almost certainly misinformation. First of all the village hit Sartana is 16 kilometres from Mariupol and about the same from Shirokino. Nobody is attacking Mariupol and this is most likely a mistake by AZOV forces, or a false flag to perpetuate the civil war and try to take more ground.”
The OSCE
In government-controlled Sartana (15km north-east of Mariupol), the SMM observed and carried out analysis on 11 craters, concluding that either 122 or 152mm artillery rounds – mostly fired from the east – had caused them. Residents told the SMM that two civilians had been killed in the shelling – later confirmed by the morgue in Mariupol – and six injured. The SMM subsequently verified the reported injuries, visiting two hospitals in Mariupol, where it was told one of the injured included a girl who had lost one of her legs. The mayor of Mariupol told the SMM in Mariupol that the shelling in the village had occurred late the previous night, resulting in damage to 54 houses, five of which were completely destroyed. He added that electricity, gas and water supplies had been cut in at least some parts of the village because of the shelling. The SMM at the scene observed 25 partially and severely damaged residential dwellings.
In addition to monitoring the scene of shelling in Sartana, the SMM – through the use of unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs) – registered other indications of fighting in areas to the east, north and north-east of Mariupol. In “DPR”-controlled areas, SMM UAVs spotted nine main battle tanks (MBT) in Starolaspa (60km north-east of Mariupol), one MBT in Novolaspa (60km north-east-north of Mariupol), three artillery pieces in Oktiabr (30km north-east of Mariupol) and four towed artillery pieces covered by camouflage netting in Zaichenko (26km north-east of Mariupol). In government-controlled areas, SMM UAVs spotted: one MBT in Hranitne (48km north-east of Mariupol), five self-propelled howitzers and one command vehicle in Pryovrazhne (20km north-east of Mariupol) and two heavy artillery pieces in Aslanove (15km north-east of Mariupol). Also, while flying over government-controlled Lebedynske (16km east of Mariupol), Lomakyne (16km north-east of Mariupol), Sartana and Talakivka (17km north-east of Mariupol), the SMM UAVs observed many fresh shelling craters both in fields and in inhabited areas.
http://www.osce.org/ukraine-smm/178011
So much for Mr Goss’s withdrawal from Shirokino so as to stabilise the situation. I wonder what other more “reliable” source Mr Goss is relying upon for his information? A gentleman would apologise for being caught out in his deception – but I shall not hold my breath.
McCarthyism at it’s best;
Evidently Corbyn has not harrumphed loud enough!
Fedup, thank you for those four paragraphs. I only asked the question because you said my “weasely words” had “not gone unnoticed”, yet you had not seemed to notice the question when I asked it of you on a previous recent thread. i did say on that thread that i would raise it again at the appropriate moment. So here it is.
Do you support the establishment of a caliphate.
I do not hate Muslims – I am one. If my question is stupid, please forgive my stupidity.
A ‘yes’ or ‘no’ would suffice. I promise that I will respect your asnwer even if I might not agree with it.
Thank you, man.
Resident Dissident, 8.30
Never mind John Woodcock, do YOU think it was wrong of Corbyn to ‘associate’ with Hamas?
Who Jeremy meets and their connections is VERY important.
The fact that Cameron is meeting the murdering pair, al-Sisi and Netanyahu, is completely irrelevant.
August 19, 2015
The Return of British Social Democracy? Jeremy Corbyn and the Revolt of the Excluded
Graham MacPhee
http://www.counterpunch.org/2015/08/19/the-return-of-british-social-democracy-jeremy-corbyn-and-the-revolt-of-the-excluded/
‘Initially patronized and dismissed by party bigwigs and media opinion formers, Corbyn’s leadership campaign has sparked a national movement that is in a number of ways reminiscent of Occupy. The rise of Corbyn’s campaign has been both unexpected and meteoric because it draws support from those excluded from the political calculus of the elites. Some of that support hails from traditional constituencies that have been taken for granted by “New Labour”: trade unionists and public sector workers, those opposed to war and neo-imperialism, and those concerned with the moral decay of British society and the neoliberal evacuation of any social and collective ethos beyond xenophobia and the new culturalist racism. But Corbyn’s campaign also speaks to young people excluded from housing and job opportunities, students saddled with unsupportable debt, and the “precariat” more widely: those working on short-term or zero-hour contracts often in the newly privatized social services, the former local government sector, or in low paid and insecure jobs in the service industries.’
It is a matter of public record that Corbyn has associated with Hamas, Hezbollah and before that the IRA – all of which are/were in whole or part proscribed terrorist groups
Happy to agree with you, RD. In this he is not unlike John Major, who was PM at the time, talking in some secrecy to the IRA. And no less an authority than Jonathan Powell (like his and my friend Mr Tony) advocates talking to terrorists:
http://www.lse.ac.uk/IDEAS/publications/reports/pdf/SR008/powell.pdf
And here’s Tony embracing Gaddafi, who, a few years before, had been shipping arms and cash to the Provos. And, just before his regime collapsed, allegedly to the Real IRA.
http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/02001/blair_2001264c.jpg
I have a feeling that accusing Corbyn of antisemitism – which he furiously denies, and the record supports this – is yet another shot in the foot of NuLabour. It has long been anathema for the mainstream media to question wisdom received from Israel, or to put the Israeli case without deodorising it. And Corbyn’s key demoraphic knows it. It may also wonder why it is necessary to gain approval from BICOM and its many parliamentary devotees before being allowed to participate in UK politics.
My main problem is that Corbyn may not put the Powell principle into practice, and talk to the terrorists running Israel. But that’s a future issue.
Fedup
“‘Do you support the establishment of a caliphate?’”
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Stop blustering and repeating the word “vermin” and answer the question!
We’re Fedup with your evasions and temporizing.
Gaddafi/ RIRA link:
http://www.irishcentral.com/news/colonel-gaddafi-sent-millions-of-dollars-in-cash-to-real-ira-last-june-130553498-237413881.html
What kind of a fucking stupid question is this? Are you fucking havingagiraffe?
Do you support a Caliphate? Have you ever known or associated with any communist? Answer yes or no?
Saadi your weasel ways are getting cute! Are you fishing for Tony Glees job?
Where the fuck did the caliphate link come from? I very much doubt you are a Muslim, with the hatred you have consistently exhibited towards the Muslims! Your total disregard of political Islam that classifies any political expression of Muslims as “Islam-ism”! Evidently the only political expressions tolerated are the prevalent Christian rooted schools a clear and manifest propensity towards chauvinistic sectarianism.
You started shoving the “Caliphate” in after I had told you that there is no place for any parasitic supremacist vermin in a civilised society and any civilised debate, and there is no room for zionistan in the modern world. Somehow you then started to change your usual insistent lines of questioning and the yes or no answers thereof! Clearly you are fishing for the “antisemi…..” and “extremist” angle to discount a rational view point that is in opposition to your pet/favoured/preferred zionist supremacy bullshit!
Returning the compliment; do you spank the monkey Saddi ? A Yes or no answer should suffice!
@ Ba’al
Not quite a fair comparison, as when Jonathan Powell talked to the IRA he was representing one of the conflict parties. Corbyn talking to Hamas would be seen in Israel in the same light as the U.S. politicians like Peter King https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_T._King
The “Jonthan Powell” figure who talks to Hamas has to be someone who has Netanyahu’s total trust, or the thing won’t work. As Corbyn has not even met him, it cannot be Corbyn.
“do YOU think it was wrong of Corbyn to ‘associate’ with Hamas?”
As always it depends what the aims of the “association” were. If it were to point out that their bombing of Israel. sponsorship of terrorist attacks, abuse of human rights within their own community, the anti-Semitism within the Hamas charter were all wrong and likely to be counter productive when it comes to peace with their neighbours then I would encourage contact.
Mary if you and Graham MacPhee believe that Corbyn is within the tradition of British social democracy – might I suggest that you both read a little more – Tony Crosland is as good a place to start as any. I find this claim to British social democracy quit interesting as it is a claim that I don’t think Corbyn’s spiritual grandfather Tony Benn ever made, or at least with any volume.
Israel and Hamas ‘holding direct talks in an African state’
Tim
I have my doubts as to whether the person exists who has the trust of both Netanyahu and Hamas – I suspect there needs to more a lot more than one person and fear and respect will be necessary as well as trust.