The Labour Party is being remarkably coy about releasing the actual result of its Scottish accounting unit leadership election, giving only a percentage. The entirely complacent unionist media is complicit in what amounts to a deception. The stunning truth is that in a one person, one vote election among the entire membership of the Labour Party in Scotland plus trades union supporters, Dugdale won with 5,217 votes (out of a claimed electorate of 21,000, many of whom do not exist or could not be arsed to choose between two right wing numpties).
UPDATE: A second Labour figure just rang me to assure me my information – which was from a good source – is wrong. She would not give the actual figure and only said it was “higher”. I offered to take down the post and publish an accurate figure if she would give it, but this was declined.
“RD – are you perhaps becoming Fred?”
Baal are you Scottish? Do you live in Scotland?
“tell me leader have you heard of democracy and do you know Fred?”
Tell me Nevermind, are you Scottish? Do you live in Scotland?
It is interesting that she is a pretty, young, dark haired woman, who bears a remarkable resemblance to Rachel Reeves and Luciana Berger, both of whose ethnicity is…….well, I will leave you to look that up yourself. I don’t really believe in conspiracies, but they don’t do themselves any favours, do they?
“You might wish to point me to where I can find live debate and disagreement within the SNP (apart from Craig) – or are you in favour of a one party, one chamber state for the new Scotland?”
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RD, no one in there right mind would want a one party state, at present the LibDems, Labour and the Tories all take their orders from Westminster, it’s a farcical situation.
Everyone in Scotland knows what’s going on, and that’s why most have voted SNP,the only major party in Scotland who doesn’t answer to a Westminster master.
Independence will sever ties with Westminster and free up the other main parties to adapt and challenge the SNP, this is what I want, a independent Scotland with free thinking independent parties.
Not empty hollow kowtowing yes men,pushing Westminster’s agenda.
When I skipped through this thread a little earlier in the day ( I have taken the day off from breach volley, beach footie and socializing with charming and attractive young and even not-so-young women), I said to myself “My God, “x” posts and no mention yet of Israel/PalestineZionists/Jews! What is happening here?”.
But no sooner thought than done, because lo and behold , here is Mary, clocking in at 16h33 with the following about Dugdale:
“He visited Israel in 2002.
‘1-2 July 2002, to Israel, as fraternal delegate to Israeli Labour Party Conference. All costs covered by Labour Friends of Israel. (Registered 18 July 2002)”.
To be noted that the words Israel/Palestine/Zionism/Jew(s) and Friends of Israel did not cross Craig’s keyboard when writing his introductory post.
As indeed they did not cross his keyboard when writing his previous post on Jeremy Corbin and the SNP – which nevertheless attracted, from various posters and in particular our friend Mary, 8 greater or lesser mentions of the matters referred to.
Keep it up, people, and in particular you, Mary – you’re doing a splendid job in getting Craig’s blog (but not Craig himself) a growing reputation as a haven for Jew-baiter-and-haters.
These sort of things do not go unnoticed.
From Techno
“It is interesting that she is a pretty, young, dark haired woman, who bears a remarkable resemblance to Rachel Reeves and Luciana Berger, both of whose ethnicity is…….well, I will leave you to look that up yourself. I don’t really believe in conspiracies, but they don’t do themselves any favours, do they?”
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There you go, the ball’s started rolling.
Q What is ‘breach volleyball’?
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A statement of pure facts is ‘Jew baiting’!
Refer to Glenn Greenwald. Read and learn.
‘Glenn Greenwald’s reply when he was attacked as a Jew-hating Israel basher, similar to the way in which Corbyn is being attacked now (excerpted from Norman Finkelstein, This Time We Went Too Far: Truth and Consequences of the Gaza Invasion, OR Books, 2010, pp. 122-123):
On 20 February 2009 Greenwald responded to an insinuation by Jeffrey Goldberg that he was a Jew-hating Israel basher, “People like Jeffrey Goldberg … have so abused, overused, manipulated and exploited the ‘anti-Semitism’ and ‘anti-Israel’ accusations for improper and nakedly political ends that those terms have become drained of their meaning, have almost entirely lost their sting, and have become trivialized virtually to the point of caricature. … Indeed, people like Goldberg are becoming extra rancid and reckless in their rhetoric precisely because they know that these rhetorical devices have ceased working.” … “They no longer possess the ability to stifle dissent through thuggish intimidation tactics and they know that, which is why they can now do nothing but turn up the volume on their name-calling attacks … .”’
http://members5.boardhost.com/medialens/msg/1439644917.html
Nevermind wrote:
“Good evening co/unt Habbakuk, you playing around with names again
Here’s somebody to choke your gullet, boare, probably a close family relative.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfred_Wagenknecht
Now to the more important point, you are stalking people on this blog, looking up their personal details and being real childish.
Are you not? you ignominious piece of shit, Don’t you dare open your foul mouth and mention a third and unconnected person here, you threatening bastard, you no good scum you.
Now you do have my attention, mind your step from now on.
a pint to anyone who can email me personally, anything about our little stalker friend, he needs a visit and a good spanking over a desk!”
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All that because I included your lady wife in my good wishes to you?
I do note, however, that you’ve carefully avoided any threat of violence other than the promise of a “good spanking”. None of your earlier talk of offering me a “split lip” and “a good punch”. Perhaps you’ve had a word with a solicitor?
Anyway, any time you feel the need for a good horse-whipping, just say the word. By what you said about spanking me, it sounds as if you’s enjoy it, you Norfolk Hanswurst.
Mary
“Q What is ‘breach volleyball’?”
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Beach volleyball spelled with an “r”, you silly goose.
Mary
Anything to say on Techno’s comment?
Psychosis is a mass affliction when it comes to the zionist supremacist vermin.
The above sort of snide remarks are supposedly to push the blog owner to stop any legitimate debate concerning the Jewish Supremacists and their appalling barbaric conduct in zionistan.
The low life supremacist scum know fully well that any sunshine of publicity is detrimental to the cause of their supremacy. These parasitic vermin fully well know that their murderous creed can only thrive in the darkness of anonymity hence their agents will not spare any effort to divert the sunshine of truth away form the darkness of anonymity they so assiduously maintain in the way of protecting their supremacist creed. Hence on goes the same old, same old baseless contrived accusations of antisemi….., and libelous assertions of hatred, etc.
When I skipped through this thread a little earlier in the day ( I have taken the day off from breach volley, beach footie and socializing with charming and attractive young and even not-so-young women), I said to myself “My God, “x” posts and no mention yet of Israel/PalestineZionists/Jews! What is happening here?”.
Please don’t conflate Apartheid Israel with ordinary Jewish people. For many there’s no connection whatsoever.
Comment on the SLP blog.
‘Brian McCulloch · Open University, Milton Keynes
What was the ‘total vote’ please’. Not to publish sort of implies impropriety.’
http://www.scottishlabour.org.uk/blog/entry/leadership-results-2015
I leave the commenting (if that’s what it’s called) on other people’s comments to the contributor @ 5.57pm, 5.59pm, 6.31pm, 6.32pm and 6.33pm.
Mary
“A statement of pure facts is ‘Jew baiting’!”
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Coming from you with your track record, certainly.
!/. You make a point of telling us that people are members of the Conservartive/Labout/LibDem Friends of Israel.
You have also, on countless occasions over the years, carefully pointed out where people in the public eye against whom you hve taken are married to Jews, or are of Jewish heritage, or even that they have Jewish friends or colleagues.
2/. You do so even where those precious “facts” of yours are completely irrelevant to the subject matter of the thread or sub-thread.
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Mary – you are a bitter, negative, obsessive cut-and-paster with never an original comment and never a good word to say about anyone. You cannot accept criticism or questioning and respond to same by calling people trolls or worse.
Now those are just statements of facts, so please don’t think I’m Mary-baiting.
RoS
I do note you sidestepped my question – is there really unanimity on all things political within the SNP?
Mary,
Ignore the troll.
You’ve never confused Israeli and Jewish.
Aidworker
Good to read you again.
What is the relevance of your comment to what I wrote?
And now that I see your name again, I’m reminded that someone or other (perhaps Anon!?) asked you recently where and what your experience of aid work was. Have I overlooked your reply (assuming you don’t want not to tell, of course)?
Ms. Dugdale has changed her tune already.
Whilst days ago she thought the idea of JC as leader would split the Labour party, today, after getting 5217 of the eligible votes, a pathetically small number, and after having a word with JC in private yesterday, she now is ‘willing to work with anyone of the four leadership candidates.
Anytime Habby anytime, soon make a better Hanswurst out of your hide. Did you leave Wolverhampton Council before or after they become the laughing stock of the nation?
Nicola Sturgeon of course received exactly zero votes when she became leader of the SNP.
But we can make a stab at the ballpark she’d have been in had the election been contested, given that Stewart Hosie got 14672 first preference votes for deputy (in a three-way contest).
I just watched her speech, she is so false and has nothing to offer her party or the people of Scotland. Does she not realise that most Scottish labour voters want an end to trident but she fully supports this absurd waste of money.
“You’ve never confused Israeli and Jewish.”
But Israel is the official Jewish State. The vast majority of the 75% of Jews within this state are Arab/Palestinian-hating racists. It’s perhaps inappropriate to generalize the Jewish diaspora in a similar way – that’s perfectly true.
However, it’s undeniable that the vast majority of, for example, British Jews, are right wing Tory voters and pro-Israel. The Zionists are able to exploit this situation politically by equating legitimate anti-Israeli sentiment with antisemitism.
Consequently, antisemitism has lost all potency it once had and is thus little more than a politically motivated term used to undermine legitimate criticism of the Jewish state.
It follows that the Israeli state, it’s Zionist supporters and antisemitism, are mutually reinforcing notions that principally benefit the former.
This has long been understood within Israeli-Zionist circles which prompted former Israeli Minister Ms Aloni to admit that antisemitism is a trick that the Israeli government and lobbyists use:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jUGVPBO9_cA
“I do note you sidestepped my question – is there really unanimity on all things political within the SNP?”
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RD.
Why don’t you ask them.
http://www.snp.org/contact-us
” Nicola Sturgeon of course received exactly zero votes when she became leader of the SNP.”
i was one of the 12,000 in Glasgow’s Hydro in November, an Amazing event.. Much Warmth and Unity, She sold out the Hydro arena faster than Kylie Minogue, 🙂
Aha.. As Nevermind says – Dugdale completely changes her tune on Corbyn after poll predicts he will be next leader..
Excellent Cheers Craig – i liked these lines From The ‘ Jeremy Corbyn and the SNP ‘-
I was impressed by Jeremy’s talk and by the energy in the room. Jeremy was at his strongest when referring to the need for basic human decency and respect in our treatment of those in need for aid from the state, including the homeless and refugees. His basic human empathy and compassion really shone through.”
And From Jim McCluskey –
” I concur. He talks about the things which are real to me. What can be more real than the ever-present threat to us all from nuclear weapons?
Mr Corbyn is against nuclear weapons. He is against Trident renewal. He does not want one hundred billion pounds of citizens wealth spent on a new arsenal of weapons whose unique ability is the instantaneous incineration of millions of civilians. In this he reflects the wishes of the majority of British citizens. Mr Corbyn’s policy includes the statement “Not renewing Trident gives our country an opportunity to invest in industry, innovation and infrastructure that will rebalance our economy and transform it into a high skilled, high-tech world-leading economy. It is not only the right thing to do but a better way to deal with our economic challenges.”
Thank God for politicians Like Jeremy Corbyn, and the SNP.. Because…
” The threat is real
The reality of the threat from arsenals of nuclear weapons on hair-trigger alert, ready to be launched within minutes and subject to cyber attack by murderous hackers was underlined this month (August, 2015) by former US and Russian commanders, ‘Retired military officers from the United States, Russia and other nuclear powers issued a report warning of the mounting dangers of the short fuses that allow hundreds of atomic weapons to be launched within minutes’2. A report sponsored by the disarmament group Global Zero tells us ‘Hundreds of missiles carrying nearly 1,800 warheads are ready to fly at a moment’s notice’.And we are warned that the hair-trigger alert, which applies to half of the US and Russian arsenals, is particularly dangerous in an era when “warning and decision timelines are getting shorter, and consequently the potential for fateful human error in nuclear control systems is growing larger.”
James Cartwright is a retired four-star general who has been in charge of the US nuclear arsenal. It is hard to imagine a more authoritative voice. He warns“There are a set of vulnerabilities particularly for the US and Russia in these systems [nuclear weapons on hair-trigger alert] that were built in the fifties, sixties, seventies and eighties,” and “Many of these old systems are subject to false alarms,”
Some More @
http://www.globalresearch.ca/british-labour-party-jeremy-corbyn-the-things-that-are-real/5469308
Fedup @ 6;37 Well said Man.
re Habbakuk 5.57
“lo and behold , here is Mary, clocking in at 16h33 with the following about Dugdale:
“He visited Israel in 2002.”
Sensitive, are we? Mentioning a paid visit to Israel is pertinent. Dugdale wasn’t paid to visit Arab countries.
later:
“Mary – you are a bitter, negative, obsessive cut-and-paster with never an original comment”
Not very bright. Mary’s technique is to use quotations to make her point. Perfectly legitimate to my mind. I’m surprised that someone as brilliant as you hasn’t worked it out.
“She sold out the Hydro arena faster than Kylie Minogue, :)”
Does Nicola really charge admission for for coming to see her?
RoS
I checked out that website – not much sign of genuine argument and discussion there I’m afraid. I couldn’t even leave a comment let alone debate the issues on their blog.
Where was the debate around this change in the SNP’s economic strategy?
http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/13204138.SNP_s_flagship_corporation_tax_cut_is_ditched_as_Sturgeon_unveils_new_economic_strategy/
Or was it just another proud product of democratic centralism?
Aidworker and Laguerre. Thanks. I am not replying to his slanderous vitriol. He is not worth the bother. I have had so much of the same over the years.
“I checked out that website – not much sign of genuine argument and discussion there I’m afraid. I couldn’t even leave a comment let alone debate the issues on their blog.”
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RD.
You mean to tell me you couldn’t fill in your e-mail address, then add a comment in the comment section.
Errm! Don’t take this the wrong way RD, but either you didnt bother your backside to look or you’re two sandwiches short of a picnic.
I’ll tell you what here’s the phone number, surely you can’t f*ck that up.
http://www.snp.org/contact
Let me know how you get on.