The Labour Party is being remarkably coy about releasing the actual result of its Scottish accounting unit leadership election, giving only a percentage. The entirely complacent unionist media is complicit in what amounts to a deception. The stunning truth is that in a one person, one vote election among the entire membership of the Labour Party in Scotland plus trades union supporters, Dugdale won with 5,217 votes (out of a claimed electorate of 21,000, many of whom do not exist or could not be arsed to choose between two right wing numpties).
UPDATE: A second Labour figure just rang me to assure me my information – which was from a good source – is wrong. She would not give the actual figure and only said it was “higher”. I offered to take down the post and publish an accurate figure if she would give it, but this was declined.
“Whether Fred foresaw it or not is irrelevant. The fact is the SNP massively overestimated oil revenues and we would have had a refugee crisis on our hands with desperate Scotch refugees diving onto any train or lorry heading for England as their banana economy fell apart, probably necessitating some kind of Greece-style deal with the EU in return for eternal slavery.”
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Ha ha, I love this guy, he has such a vivid imagination, you’re not related to Ron L Hubbard by any chance are you? It’s just that he had a vivid a rather hallucinogenic imagination somewhat akin to yours, it sounds as though your preposterous comment could’ve come straight from the Dianetics manual.
Thanks for that, RoS.
Should Scotland seccede from the Union, how do you think her foreign policy would differ from that of the current London administration, specifically in terms of relations with Russia, China and so on?
Here’s the Media Lens message board discussion on the Mail on Sunday piece – if anyone is interested.
http://members5.boardhost.com/medialens/msg/1440324721.html
Dreoilin, that article in Daily Mail is laughable at best, it reads like the Americans in the last days of pulling out of Saigon, with rioting in the streets and helicopters flying of to safety, as London burns with bonfires of anarchy.
I’ve gotta say though the author of the article David Thomas (probably a phoney handle) has a future in writing fiction, then again the Daily Mail is 99% fiction.
Still on Media Lens..
Check out this %$£&#’/&%$£%# Cretin… a horrid smelly fish with No Eyes… She that she is
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CyGBLRiEspowww.newstatesman.com/politics/2015/08/being-right-about-iraq-war-has-made-left-insufferable the fk up Heartless %$£&#+$&$%£
“Should Scotland seccede from the Union, how do you think her foreign policy would differ from that of the current London administration, specifically in terms of relations with Russia, China and so on?”
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Herbie
I think Scotland would try and obtain more trade with Russia and China, whilst trying not to get roped into diplomatic complications.
The rest of the UK would still remain close allies and friends, and trade and commerce would continue.
Most countries want to trade with Russia and China, whilst privately or publically condemning their sometimes less than honourable tactics.
Just look at the UK’s lucrative arms deals with Saudi Arabia over the decades, we condemn their human rights record but sell to them nontheless, it’s just business., and money comes before morality.
My word. We are coming on. Haven’t heard mention of Dr Kelly in the public domain for ages.
Here is Stop The War Campaign’s e-mail received this afternoon.
‘Why Jeremy’s popularity frightens the government and media
The British political and media establishment is aware that Jeremy Corbyn’s win in the Labour leadership election would present a very significant obstacle to the political and militarist business as usual. Having a leading peace campaigner as leader of the opposition puts the anti-war argument centre-stage and can potentially help to mobilise vast swathes of the public against social injustices and endless wars. His popularity demonstrates that there is a great hunger for change.1
The potential is shown by the fact that Jeremy Corbyn has called for the Labour Party to apologise for the Iraq War. The invasion of Iraq clearly broke international law 2 and was based on concocted intelligence dossiers 3, as Dr David Kelly noted shortly before his unexplained death. The invasion led to the death of around a million Iraqis 4, and an unquantifiable amount of suffering. It also set off the cycle of hatred and violence which is still enveloping the Middle East and North Africa. Hear Lindsey German 5 speak on Channel 4 News in support of Jeremy Corbyn’s call for the Labour Party to apologise for the war.’
Links.
1.http://stopwar.org.uk/news/why-jeremy-corbyn-s-popularity-frightens-the-tory-government-and-the-media
2. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/iraq-the-uwaru-was-illegal-1830508.html
3. http://www.amazon.co.uk/Dirty-Politics-British-Democracy-Invasion/dp/1842777416/ref=asap_bc?ie=UTF8
4.http://www.stopwar.org.uk/news/why-1-3-million-killed-in-the-us-uk-war-on-iraq-are-not-worth-mentioning
5.http://stopwar.org.uk/video3/jeremy-corbyn-why-the-labour-party-should-apologise-for-the-iraq-war
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Don’t miss Stop the War National 2015 Conference
Stop the War’s AGM for members and delegates
10am – 5pm 19th September 2015
University of London Union
Malet Street
London WC1E 7HY
Jeremy Corbyn will be speaking at the Stop the War national conference, which is where we discuss the politics of the present situation, the risks of the spread of war and our campaigning priorities. The conference is open to members and group delegates. The deadline to become a member of Stop the War so you can attend the conference is the end of this month. Please make sure you book early to secure your place.
Looks like we’re in for a hefty bout of deflation. Folks would be well advised to pay off any debts as quickly as possible.
A Neil Clark tweet !
June: Jeremy who?
July: JC is a joke..man in a white vest tee hee
August: JC is threat to the world. He MUST be stopped!
😀
Republicofscotland – 3:00 pm
It’s incredibly silly, but I think it smacks of desperation. Here’s a take on it from Vice.com
“Taking Apart That Ridiculous Mail on Sunday Article About Jeremy Corbyn’s Dystopian Britain”
http://www.vice.com/en_uk/read/mail-on-sunday-corbyn-imagination-944
Including
“For a piece of piercing futurology, this does sound a lot like the recent past. It could almost be describing 2011, when rioters and looters filled Britain’s streets, the sky over London was thick with choking black smoke, and people fought in the hellish glow of the flames. But obviously the government of the day had nothing to do with that.”
and
“Yes, Jeremy Corbyn lays Britain’s nuclear arsenal out on the front lawn of his national garage sale, and doesn’t think twice when cheery Uncle Vlad comes round the corner asking for two Polaris and a Trident. The doddering old fool can’t see that these submarines should be left in the hands of the doddering old fools at the MoD.”
🙂
More trade makes sense, yes, RoS.
That’s not the current policy. Quite the opposite.
“Most countries want to trade with Russia and China, whilst privately or publically condemning their sometimes less than honourable tactics.”
Are you arguing there that the US and UK position is a principled one, an honourable one?
You say subsequently that it’s all just money.
If they’re all dishonourable, how can the Russians and Chinese be “less than honourable”.
The situation in Ukraine is increasingly dangerous. Poroshenko is building forces.
August 24, 2015
Kiev Mobilized for Full-Scale Aggression on Donbass
Stephen Lendman
Obama’s war on Donbass using Ukrainian army foot soldiers, paramilitaries, foreign mercenaries, Nazi-infested death squads and others never stopped since initiated in April 2014.
Kiev flagrantly violated Geneva and two Minsk ceasefire agreements straightaway. Obama wants endless war. So do US-installed fascists violating human and civil rights brazenly, terrorizing Ukrainians opposing their ruthless rule.
At an August 22 military ceremony in Chuguev, near Donbass, illegitimate oligarch president Petro Poroshenko boasted about using Minsk II to rearm and increase Ukraine’s military ranks to much greater size than last year – despite a bankrupt economy near collapse, using borrowed funds desperately needed for vital services going begging. More on this below.
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http://www.counterpunch.org/2015/08/24/kiev-mobilized-for-full-scale-aggression-on-donbass/
“Looks like we’re in for a hefty bout of deflation. Folks would be well advised to pay off any debts as quickly as possible.”
Cash is king, eh.
I’m sure they’ve an antidote to that.
O/T
Here is one to ponder, and sign if you feel inclined.
https://you.38degrees.org.uk/petitions/save-sark-from-the-barclay-brothers?bucket&source=facebook-share-button&time=1434661184
Kind regards,
John
John Spencer-Davis That was a bit of a good detective work. IDS apparently spending time in Perugia to learn Italian in a language school is now classed as a university course. I suppose he also has his scout merit badges and how many different rope knots as part of his CV too.
This is the chap that is in charge of DWP. Poor pensioners and even more poor out of work unemployed and sick. Also noteworthy is the new adjudicators “Maximus”.
Here is an optimistic CAB source , which I doubt is the case and I verily believe that the new management have their own cronies to get on the case and get some of the proceeds in the long way round fashion in the best possible taste of course.
Note that taxing the poor extends to making them pay for their own defense and hopefully most of them won’t have a dime to do so and will end up getting sanctioned and saving the “tax payers money” so that the rich can have some more tax cuts and endure less of the pain of the tax burden.
“Glenn; “Could one of these cheap-shots give a single example of any poster meeting this description?”
I once put this charge to Clark, who positively jumped at the chance to confirm his blind faith & loyalty to Craig; but not all such loyalty is freely acknowledged, as there are some here who although will disagree over a particular issue with Craig, bit their lips & remain silent. Some here openly declare themselves to be personal friends of Craig, and friends to certain other Posters here, and it shows in how often they avoid criticizing each other’s povs & how often they offer mutual “he/she’s a good egg” type of support to each other.”
Well that’s pretty thin stuff, considering the charge concerned the “blind faith” posters generally supposedly have for Craig Murray. All we have so far is some whining about poor old Clark, who’s not even here to defend himself right now. I’m confident that Macky wouldn’t misrepresent the views of Clark or anyone else, of course!
It definitely appears that “blind faith” is not actually here in large quantities (or indeed any), and is – to no great surprise – merely a baseless slur, devoid of substance.
Has Ba’al actually presented an serious argument wrt the standoff with Russia. (? – BZ)
What’s to argue? There’s a standoff. Both sides, Ukraine and Russia, are to blame for the situation developing. The situation had its origins in Ukraine being hit with absurd energy tariffs by Russia. Russia is helping the rebels. Putin has promised direct Russian involvement if Ukraine attempts to recapture what was, under international treaties, its own territory.
Have you actually presented an serious argument? No. You swamp the board on every possible occasion with commentary, and should learn the difference. Have you presented propaganda? Yes. In fact very nearly all the material you and your chums have offered has comes from sources directly linkled to the Russian State. And mine – which hasn’t – also includes a very revealing piece on Putin’s thinking, by someone who knows him, indicating that he favours a one-and-a-half-party political system in Russia, entirely under his Presidential control. Is that any improvement at all on what we have here? My right-on democratic friend?
You didn’t read it, did you?
Sure I’ll support my country. My country isn’t Russia, and I don’t want to see Russia here. Much better the devil I know. Now piss off.
Pot. Kettle.
‘I live next door to a bank owned by the taxpayer, and I do recall howls of protest, of “it’s our money.”’
That wouldn’t be the bank Alex Salmond was the oil economist for was it?
Ba’al
“Sure I’ll support my country. My country isn’t Russia, and I don’t want to see Russia here.”
I see. Your country, right or wrong.
You follow where it leads, whomsoever is leading it.
Can’t you think for yourself.
Fedup
24/08/2015 3:36pm
Kind of you to say so, but all that has been in the public domain for years. I just don’t want it ever to be forgotten just what a slimeball this character is.
Oh, I know a few things about Maximus, mostly from Johnny Void. I will post some stuff up.
Kind regards,
John
Temporary or permanent?
Stock markets are crashing all over Europe.
The China effect.
All those years of carefully stuffing the seats with the hand picked vassals and “trusted” sorts are in danger of unraveling! Get the presses rolling ; Corbyn is poppy pants and he has poop on his beard and he never changes his underwear!!!!
That is what diversity is about! Imaginative chap.
Not the usual let’s get some babes on the front benches whom we can rely on, and trust! As the female runners have proved beyond any shadow of a doubt that Tories are more left wing than these Labour offerings!
Not the downturn in China to blame according to Mike Whitney.
‘My own feeling is that China is not the real issue. Yes, it is the catalyst for the selloff, but the real problem is in the credit markets where the spreads on high yield bonds continue to widen relative to US Treasuries.
What does that mean?
It means the price of capital is going up, and when the price of capital goes up, it costs more for businesses to borrow. And when it costs more for businesses to borrow, they reduce their borrowing, which decreases the demand for credit. And when the demand for credit decreases in a credit-based system, then there’s a corresponding slowdown in business investment which impacts stock prices and growth. And that is particularly significant now, since the bulk of corporate investment is being diverted into stock buybacks.’
http://www.counterpunch.org/2015/08/24/stock-selloff-panic-time-or-a-blip-on-the-radar/
“The situation had its origins in Ukraine being hit with absurd energy tariffs by Russia”
Some substance at last but nothing to back it up. History of Russia/Ukraine gas disputes here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russia%E2%80%93Ukraine_gas_disputes#Dispute_of_2013.E2.80.932014
Some put it down more to Yanukovych’s decision to stall on signing a European Union Association Agreement, following a last-minute offer from Putin to join the Eurasian Customs Union
on more favourable terms instead.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukraine%E2%80%93European_Union_Association_Agreement
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Customs_Union_of_Belarus,_Kazakhstan,_and_Russia
IDS is a worm and that is an insult to worms. He is beneath contempt as he now blaming his staff.
Duncan Smith says ‘fake claimant’ officials face action
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-34042587
“Unlike Mr Goss – who was also anonymous online until he reached pensionable age – I have a living to make.”
Simply untrue as usual. I might have written a few pseudonymous pieces but as far as I can honestly recall I have always expressed my political views under my own name. I wrote a local weekly opposed to the Iraq War in 2003 in the run-up to the your idol’s genocide there. It was in support of Small Heath Stop-The-War.
Of course if I held the same views as you do I would, for shame alone, cower under a false name.
John Goss
4:33pm
Nice new pic John.
J
Glenn; “I’m confident that Macky wouldn’t misrepresent the views of Clark or anyone else, of course!”
If I could be bothered I’ll dig out his cringingly sycophantic reply, but anybody whose familiar with both mine & Clark’s postings, won’t need either proof that I don’t misrepresent, or of Clark’s bodyguard devotion to Craig.
The funny thing about your attempted ridiculing of my point about the suppression of dissent here, is exactly what Phil used to always do to me, until it happened to him, and now he is history as he left in disgust.
Spot the disconnection;
Ba’al Zevul; “very nearly all the material you and your chums have offered has comes from sources directly linkled to the Russian State”
Macky; “every independent/alternative reporter/analyst have got it all back to front ?! Every Lefty Blog, and everybody from Chomsky to Pilger to Seamus Milne to even right wing people like Peter Hitchens & Henry Kissinger (!) have all got it wrong ? That renown investigate report Robert Parry , and the Head of Stratfor who called the what the CIA did in Ukraine as “‘The Most Blatant Coup in History’, are all Putin propagandists & stooges !!”
That under all that righteous pretense, Ba’al Zevul/Komodo is just another amoral “My country, right or wrong” type, is hardly news to anybody who has followed his comments for a while.
Netanyahu has appointed Danny Danon as Israel’s ambassador to the UN.
Kinda like Mark Regev, but more of a thug and even less diplomatic.
What message are they trying to send.
“The appointment by Israeli prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu of one of his most hawkish and outspoken rivals as Israel’s new ambassador to the United Nations has prompted widespread consternation. As one analyst noted, Danny Danon’s appointment is a “cruel joke” on the international community. The new envoy “lacks even the slightest level of finesse and subtlety required of a senior diplomat”, the analyst said.”
http://www.thenational.ae/opinion/comment/israels-choice-of-envoy-sends-a-message-to-the-un
John S. D.
Thanks for the compliment.
I put it up to please Habbabkuk who wanted a more recent picture. 🙂 Not really. Odd though how he makes these demands of others without providing any information about himself!