The Labour Party is being remarkably coy about releasing the actual result of its Scottish accounting unit leadership election, giving only a percentage. The entirely complacent unionist media is complicit in what amounts to a deception. The stunning truth is that in a one person, one vote election among the entire membership of the Labour Party in Scotland plus trades union supporters, Dugdale won with 5,217 votes (out of a claimed electorate of 21,000, many of whom do not exist or could not be arsed to choose between two right wing numpties).
UPDATE: A second Labour figure just rang me to assure me my information – which was from a good source – is wrong. She would not give the actual figure and only said it was “higher”. I offered to take down the post and publish an accurate figure if she would give it, but this was declined.
Mary:
“Those boundaries have been broken. the Geneva Conventions are explicit in this regard: Israel has committed extensive crimes against humanity, and Britain is complicit:”
George Bush exempted USUKIS from the jurisdiction of the Geneva Convention in relation to the war on Islam.
Has Daish Cameron repealed that exemption? not so far as I’ve heard.
See how the message is being softened.
‘Sir John Chilcot is to apportion blame for Britain’s role in the Iraq war much more widely than had been expected, going well beyond Tony Blair and his inner team, according to sources involved with his six-year inquiry.
While Blair will bear the brunt of the report’s criticism, one source said it would suit the former prime minister to see a wide range of targets blamed when it is published.’
How was the message conveyed to the journalists? First hand face to face? Down the line? Over a nice lunch at a club? At a RUSI meeting.
http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/aug/25/chilcot-inquiry-to-spread-blame-beyond-tony-blairs-inner-team-sources-say
25 August 2015 19.16 BST
Norton-Taylor is on the council of RUSI. Other members listed here:
https://www.rusi.org/about/council/
Lysias
Or as a brummie once said to me when I told him I worshipped the same God as the Asian Muslims:
I’ve never thought of you as a worshipper of money.
Mods. I’m in a very bad mood today so please don’t break my human rights to freedom of expression like Nasty Mr CM. Anyway Fedup will rush to the defence of the poor Asian Muslims who love sending their sons to live in Chavy Dave’s Daish Land,
mods or anti-mods, come on ban me for ba’alatant racism,
Mary
25/08/2015 8:53pm
On the other hand, the report says Chilcot & Co are taking a good look at Jack Straw, which I am glad to read.
You know, I have an idea that this report could be pretty satisfactory. Let’s not judge it before it’s published. Perhaps it is taking so long to give the miscreants every opportunity to wriggle before they are tied in knots.
Kind regards,
John
Actually, that verb δουλεύειν is a bit stronger in meaning than merely “to serve”. In fact, I think it’s better translated “to be a slave of”. And many people certainly are slaves of Mammon.
Macky
Why do you keep calling yourself a “dissenter”?
Surely you are a fully paid-up member of the Egregiousness of Excellences, reading from the same script as the great majority of the other “commenters”? Well, perhaps you are a little zanier and less intelligent than most of them.
The true dissenters on here are myself, Anon1, Resident Dissident, Kempe and a small handful of others.
Except that the Irish Constitutional Convention, although randomly selected, was not – as our Transatlantic friend claims- a “legislative body”.
Habb.
More on biometric data, and how private firms exploit it to the max. America is already a few steps ahead of what the UK.
https://www.eff.org/sls/tech/87125/faq#faq-How-do-private-companies-use-biometrics?
My own feelings about Lyndon Johnson and the Vietnam War are similar to this British veteran of Iraq’s feelings about Blair and the Iraq War: The Independent: If the Chilcot Inquiry finds that the Iraq War was illegal, I’ll personally return my medal to Tony Blair: I cannot describe the anger I feel at the idea that comrades of mine would have died for a war which may have been illegitimate and illegal.
A constitutional convention deals with more consequential matters than a mere legislature.
Suggesting amendments to the law on marriage to a government is somewhat different from governing an entire country.
The Irish Constitutional Convention (2010-2014) was incorrectly described by our Transatlantic friend a a “legislative body”.
His post at 20h25 refers (line three).
Anyone remember the Daily telegraph telling us there were thousands of UK troops on the ground in Libya who werem’t supposed to be there at the time of the buggering of Gaddafi?
Then all trace of this triumphal boasting was removed from the internet.
Very soon the same will happen in Syria. The Daily telegraph will brag about Chavy Dave supporting the noble cause of the Salafite Islamic State and winning friends in the Muslim world. Neo=colonials are just that, in the business of acquiring land.
Nevermind. Makes you wonder about the country of residence of somebody who doesn’t know that water cannons are not in use on mainland UK. I believe they are still lawful in N Ireland. Perhaps Anon 1 thinks Heathrow is in Belfast!
From the original edition of the Corpus Juris, vol. 12, p. 686:
RoS He would not recognize the term ‘biometric data’. URLs are beyond his understanding.
You can’t beat the racism out of a racist. Your claims of being a “Muslim” is in fact a smoke screen for your racism, as you so openly admit to;
mods or anti-mods, come on ban me for ba’alatant racism,
Daesh are creatures of the western SIS, deploying Saudi jail birds and the low life scum from other sympathetic Arab regimes’ prisons, as well as the out right mercenaries from various African and south American countries.
Your thinly disguised out right racism is fooling no one.
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Your optimism is commendable. Alas, I fear the official story (the report) is an attempt to sanitise the deceit and the lies that were the stock in trade of bLiar and co. to start an unjustified war based on the “intelligence” reports that did not have any basis but because the spooks had said so!
Who is going to prove that spooks actually reported any such crap?
There are to be future wars too, so best set the records straight for the next generation of liars to get on with their lies to start other unjustified wars which then will be subject to other reports!
The simple fact is the same bunch of morons whom thought through “creative destruction”** they can solve their self inflicted problems have come back full circle to the same disaster that they supposedly were solving, despite the trail of dead corpses, maimed bodies and wrecked countries. This fact however will not be part of the official narrative.
@Jon, your reply is really a wanting your cake & to eat it response. I picked up on your two startling statement of “I did not say I could not “make an alliance with Harriet Harman” – I could and I would”, & ” I do not regard Harriet Harman as a dreadful or unredeemable individual”; you responded my asking me “if you were leader of the Labour Party, would you eject her from the party? “, to which I gave my answer. Now you are switching from the personal, ie what you & I would do, to arguing that Jeremy Corbyn should make compromises to include people like her as the price of achieving some of his manifesto.
In light of my own personal answer, you will not be surprised to learn that I disagree; even if one was amoral enough to disregard the moral imperative, I disagree for the following reasons;
To include into your government the very same people who were in office when lying, committing war crimes & facilitating torture, etc were so routine, that they passed without a murmur of protest, is to hold your ability to push through your policies, hostage to some very unscrupulous people.
Including such people is not just one massive compromise, but a clear acknowledgement that you are willing to go down that inherent slippery slope of never-ending compromises, each one watering-down what you had hoped to achieve.
It would be as great a betrayal as Obama agreeing not to prosecute any of the Bush administration in order to clear his way to becoming President, and the old adage of the ends justifying the means, shows were that sort of moral corruption can lead; to a person who was an Anti-War figure, turning into a war-monger, and a routinely signing off extra-judicial murders via drones.
Such a demoralising inclusion, would halt any real resurgence worthy of being called “Left” in its tracks; the sort of supporters who left Labour in disgust under Blair, and then return under Corbyn, would again leave in droves when they realise that the Blairites were back in, and in a position to force concessions.
Sp perhaps it is your position rather than mine that might stifle the movement before it is even started ?
An illustration of the infantilism of Cooper. It’s baby talk.
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John Spencer=Davis
The UK uses enquiries to concede minor guilt for minor crimes as a whitewash for major continuing guilt and ongoing criminality.
Unfortunately for them the parties they have lied to and murdered don’t forget what has been done to them viz the Northern Irish were put under seige conditions by UK paid mercenaries.
At present the UK is extracting oil revenues from IS via Kurdistan’s, Turkey’s, Israel and Saudi Arabia’s ruling elites. The vet’s arm is all the way up the cow’s cunt.
Please could sometime stop reverting to a Dad’s Army view of UK politicians. They are not spivs and drones. They are international criminal mafia war criminals.
They have filled our lifetimes with murder, genocide, destruction of Muslim life and property. They are in league with and shelter Zionist war criminals and political extremists of the true religion of Islam.
Please, they are immune from any shade of morality or justice. You have to change.
Yes Fedup, I am no longer praying alongside Pakistanis. They can choose to pursue their love of Mammon up the cunt of David cameron’s neo-colonial enterprise in Syria, Pakistan, Libya, Africa. But I will not join them. I find their race and their belief system irreconcileable with my own understanding of the Qur’an. To them is their worship, to me , mine.
Giyane
25/08/2015 9:58pm
Perhaps the Chilcot report will confirm your views. I am not prepared to say that it will not, until I have seen it.
For the record, I believe that the invasion of Iraq was undertaken to secure its oil supplies for the benefit of Western powers, to attempt to ensure a compliant Iraqi government, to send a message to the region, and that it was only intended to be the first stage in securing the Middle East’s resources for the benefit of “the rich men who run the world” (Chomsky). Fortunately the people of the UK have had the good sense to put the brakes on that to a limited extent.
I also believe that the invasion of Iraq was illegal under international law and that the perpetrators should stand trial in the Hague.
Kind regards,
John
If everyone is to blame, no one is to blame.
John
Thanks for your reply. I believe that Iraq was destroyed because it was a Sunni Muslim country which was on the apartheid Zionists list of populations to be genocided by US and UK overwhelming power.
If, like Craig, you choose to ignore the vicious loathing by the Jews of all things Muslim, you might find Chilcot a useful document.
Newsprint is good for cleaning glass, I’m told. When it’s published, maybe you could give your glasses a clean as well.
Mary, I presume you saw the comic book stuff in the Mail on Sunday about Corbyn?
We live in a ‘managed democracy’, or ‘inverted totalitarianism’, or whatever you want to call it (hello Habba).
In North America ‘Corbymania’ barely gets reported, and likewise in the UK you see very little reporting of the Bernie Sanders phenomenon.
Boiling frogs.
I’m not sure the Sunni nature of Saddam’s government had much or anything to do with USUKISRAEL ganging up on Iraq. They all appear more hostile to Shiah.
Speaking of Sanders, RobG, here’s news: Trump, Sanders ahead in New Hampshire poll:
I can only confirm the dearth of coverage of Corbyn here in the U.S.
I disagree strongly John Spencer-Davis. I have said from the beginning (2009!) that Chilcot was a piece of theatre, a conversation. One of the five members, Freedman, had even written speeches for Blair. See the cosy relationships described here.
Does Blair know Iraq Inquiry members?
By Lewis Hannam
12 January 2010
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Key links between Tony Blair and members of Sir John Chilcot’s Iraq Inquiry panel have been highlighted by Channel 4 News’ “Who Knows Who”.
The network of connections is outlined as Blair prepares to give evidence to the five-member committee within the next few weeks.
Read more from Who Knows Who
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http://www.channel4.com/news/articles/politics/domestic_politics/does+blair+know+iraq+inquiry+members/3497547.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lawrence_Freedman
It was an illegal war carried out under the command of Bush and Blair as President of the US and Prime Minister of the UK. Both should have been sent to The Hague.
The ministers and other functionaries were acting under orders. They should have resigned.
A total and very expensive farce.
The Iraq Inquiry has already published the final expenditure for financial years 2009/10 to 2013/14. Expenditure for 2014/15 is shown below. The total since 2009 is £10,375,000.
http://www.iraqinquiry.org.uk/news/2015-04-15-costs.aspx
Lysias, thanks for the link. Interesting.
What with all the political stuff happening in the UK and Europe, I’ve barely been able to keep up with things on your side of the pond.
I’m sure I’m not the only one on this blog who would be interested to hear your take on Bernie Sanders.
‘Managed democracy’ foistered Obama on us last time round. Is Sanders more of the same?
Giyane
25/08/2015 10:19pm
I think it is worth setting out the reasons why I don’t agree with you. I don’t think it will make any difference, but at least you will understand the reasons for my short sight, if that is what it is.
If “the Jews” have a loathing for all things Muslim, as you say, I do not understand the relevance of it being a Sunni Muslim country. Sunni or Shia, surely the loathing would be the same.
I’m not sure of the exact meaning of your phrase “apartheid Zionists”, but I assume it refers to the State of Israel and sympathisers in the US, UK, etc. If the plan was to commit genocide against the population of Iraq using overwhelming US and UK force, why the post war period of more relative peacefulness? Surely the way to pursue genocidal objectives would be to start up the ovens while the population was still reeling from the war? You may argue that that is exactly what is happening, but I will not agree with you: I do not think systematic genocidal processing of the Iraqi population is taking place at the moment. Perhaps that is more of my naivety.
I don’t know if you are using “the Jews” as shorthand for the “apartheid Zionists”. If you are not, I find your apparent assumption that “the Jews” as an entity loathe Muslims racist, and I don’t really wish to enter into discussions about that. We have often discussed the difference, on this forum, between being hostile to the policies and outlook of the government and administration of the State of Israel, and being hostile to Jews in general. I regard the former as reasonable, and the latter as ugly and racist.
No doubt I will receive a further earful of sarcasm and condescension. I’m prepared for that. You regard me as short-sighted. I regard you as paranoid, racist and irrationally prejudiced. Has that got us any further? I doubt it.
John