The Labour Party is being remarkably coy about releasing the actual result of its Scottish accounting unit leadership election, giving only a percentage. The entirely complacent unionist media is complicit in what amounts to a deception. The stunning truth is that in a one person, one vote election among the entire membership of the Labour Party in Scotland plus trades union supporters, Dugdale won with 5,217 votes (out of a claimed electorate of 21,000, many of whom do not exist or could not be arsed to choose between two right wing numpties).
UPDATE: A second Labour figure just rang me to assure me my information – which was from a good source – is wrong. She would not give the actual figure and only said it was “higher”. I offered to take down the post and publish an accurate figure if she would give it, but this was declined.
Here’s an Associated Press article on Corbyn dated this afternoon that I found on the Washington Post Web site: What the rise of Britain’s Jeremy Corbyn means for the rest of the world.
However, I will be very surprised if this article appears tomorrow in the print copy of the paper that is delivered at my door.
LOL ! Harriet Harman can’t find enough “trotskyists” to purge ! 😀
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tord_iByWGk
Mary
25/08/2015 10:28pm
Well, that’s fine, Mary, I have no opinion on the Chilcot enquiry’s conclusions at the moment because I have not read them. No doubt, if they reflect what you have said all along, then we can discover that together.
Kind regards,
John
“The Trolls successfully changed the subject at 16.00 this afternoon.”
Really, Giyane? Was it not Fedup who brought up the subject of shares?
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Mary at 9.55pm – Have you given up the use of quotation marks entirely?
(Although you were never really using them. You substituted (for inverted commas) a single apostrophe at beginning and end of long chunks of text, and they were often very hard to see.)
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“Yup. He’ll be arriving at Godalming Airfield on September 31st at 2am.”
I presume that’s supposed to be a joke?
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“Jon, your reply is really a wanting your cake & to eat it response. I picked up on your two startling statement of “I did not say I could not “make an alliance with Harriet Harman” – I could and I would”, & ” I do not regard Harriet Harman as a dreadful or unredeemable individual”; you responded my asking me “if you were leader of the Labour Party, would you eject her from the party? “, to which I gave my answer. Now you are switching from the personal, ie what you & I would do, to arguing that Jeremy Corbyn should make compromises to include people like her as the price of achieving some of his manifesto.”
FFS, Macky, put a sock in it.
Here’s Corbyn speaking last month at the UNISON Labour leadership debate. Not just another Corbyn speech, because Liz Kendall is sitting directly behind him, and keeps swigging from a bottle…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SOKXFpfQxS4
Lysias
“I’m not sure the Sunni nature of Saddam’s government had much or anything to do with USUKISRAEL ganging up on Iraq. They all appear more hostile to Shia ”
That’s their game, to pretend to be against the Shi’a who believes in worshipping saints , like them, and who practise free love , like them. Politics is the art of lying.
Please can you explain to me how it is that the Shi’a government in Baghdad under Nouri Maliki abandoned all of the top of the range weapons they had purchased from the US and transported to Mosul , plus several million dollars.
And why, with Daish circling Baghdad like cowboys and injuns, Maliki decided it was a good time to parade the ceremonial Shi#a white horse brigade through the streets of Baghdad instead of defending his city.
And , if you could be so kind as to explain why the Kurdish Peshmerga fighting the daish on the ground report that many of those they have killed are Sunni Pakistani and Afghani Muslims with British passports, trying to kill their brother Sunni Kurdish Muslims occupying their own land.
Mr Mossad Barzani is not remotely interested in anything but the exploitation of Syrian and Iraqi oil. The Israelis have insisted that a Shengen area viza office is newly opened in Arbil, the Kurdish capital so process as many young asylum seekers that the West can corrupt as possible.
The intention of the Zionists is to smash the Muslim religion, fragment it, and divide and rule. Craig and his band of loyal followers have always refused to accept that the first colonialism, the Slave Trade in Africa, the heroin addiction of China, and the enslavement of India, were targeting Islam. The story of these cruel crusades is lost in the genocided bones.
Lysias, in the same way that the Europeans genocided the native Indians, and their successors genocided the civilian populations of South America in the last century, then socialism fought back against the genociding US and South America is now a safe haven for many Palestinian and other Muslims.
So also, in China and Russia, and with their help Syria, the genociding Takfiri mercenaries of Islamic State and Al Qaida will be hated for generations. Ordinary Sunni Islam will find a safe haven. Saudi Muslims will overthrow the puppets of USUKIS who have wantonly sponsored terrorism in all the Muslim countries of the world. ordinary Sunni Islam will find a safe haven there. Inshallah.
You are nit picking John Spencer-Davis!
This Giayne or whatever he is calling himself these days is for equal opportunity racism and sectarianism; Pakistanis, Asians, Shia, ……. so forth.
BTW the oil was secured not to be pumped. The price of oil before the Iraq war was tops $18 per barrel, and on the eve of the war climbed to $20, and then steadily climbed up to £120 and more. This exercise (war) was to soak up the printed dollars that were getting pumped into the system to keep it afloat after the Enron, Pramelat, Global Crossing………. However then the banks started lending the new money with vengeance too much money floating around and too few an opportunists to earn any returns on it. Hence the crash of 08 in five years the whole circle was closed crash to crash!
You think of these morons who are running the show as rational and thinking people! You are wrong in your assessment. These morons are running the show by the seat of the pant flying and have no idea what will be the next disaster. However one certainty is; the transfer of the wealth/assets from the weak to the rich and this is an accelerating and steady process.
RobG; “I would probably call a high profile press conference in London and accuse the police of a witch hunt, and threaten them with legal action if they continue to pursue the investigation; and I would be able to do this with the full support of a complicit mainstream media.”
and with complicity of the Security Services; to quote Max Keiser;
“British surveillance state was designed by paedophiles to watch other paedophiles.”
Dreoilin
Was it not Fedup..
Yes, it was, but a good conversation can withstand a certain amount of diversion without causing any loss of momentum. Wouldn’t you think? especially if the second thread is in some way relevant to the first.
Heavy losses in the Chinese stock market will teach China to distrust Western Capitalism. That’s the same basic theme as the UK public learning to distrust MSM and UK politicians.
The disruption came from the question about who owns the shares. who gives a monkeys who owns the shares? That’s a question for capitalists to think about. A blatant diversion.
Lysias, I’m crashing out for the night, but will just mention that the Washington Post could at least spell ‘Labor’ for the correct term: ‘Labour’.
(WP journos seem to take too much notice of their spell checkers – and you can take ‘spell’ in any context you want)
” Craig and his band of loyal followers have always refused to accept that the first colonialism, the Slave Trade in Africa, the heroin addiction of China,”
Gyane, the slave traders from Liverpool, Bristol, Portsmouth and London could not have made a living if Arab slave traders would not have provided them with their victims.
Secondly it was opium, not refined heroin you are talking about and it was the British who cottoned on to the trade first.
Lastly why do you think Israel has friendly relations with ISIS, Baghdadi and the whole Daesh prison population?
Is this new caliphate going to rise from the ashes of criminals? cause they can’t seriously believe that they are it…????
What would they do in prison after six month if captured, hmmm, I suppose they would have to sling themselves of the prison towers.
I pity those poor women that desire such barbarity and humiliation, what horrible home they must have run away from, how much indoctrinated must they have been, to be raped and seriously harmed. What has seriously disturbed them enough to run away and join ISIS/Daesh?
I pity human intelligence that initiates some of us to revert back to crawl on all fours.
Religion is just an excuse, a crutch for not thinking yourself or hold yourself responsible for your actions. (nevermind 2015)
Indeed a disruption!
Why should it be a secret who owns what shares?
Why should it be a secret how many UK citizens own these shares?
Capitalists?
This drivel is fed to the public morning, noon, and evening without any indications of how many people are actually affected and why? (just like the gas bills that depend on; how many people gather around the gas fire? How many people will eat the food that is cooked on the gas cooker? Is the use of gas more on the odd days than even days? ……….. and then a lump annual sum is presented that is supposed to be the best possible price from you switch)
Wars are getting fought because of the principles of the markets, refugees are roaming the lands and running away from these wars. Britain with eight million foreign born citizens is not respecting one fifth of its population as evident in the constant torrent of racist unconscious drivel against immigrants and “Muslims” just as in the pre second world war Germany!
Capitalists?
You are trying your best to bury these very relevant questions, with your usual equal opportunity racism, and diversionary drivel.
John Spencer Davis
We were talking about Chilcot, and the uses of enquiries by the UK establishment.
At the end of our lives we will definitely be questioned about how we spent them. We will not be able to hide under the waffle and camouflage that the UK establishment provide.
How is it that since the 1980s with Yugoslavia all the Muslim countries have slowly come under the warmongering shadow of USUKIS? Israel defines itself as a nation of Jews, that’s why I refer to Israel as Jews.
Obama has announced his intention to focus on the Far East, i.e. his West, leaving his proxies, Turkey Saudi Arabia, Iran, Iraq pumping oil like an ‘ol Texas ranch.
If you create so much chaos in one area that it starts to get noticed by your own populations it’s going to spark protest. The political mind keeps working on its aims day and night, sabotaging its enemies and seeking new alliances.
Do you think the political mind ever sleeps?
Fedup
Don’t you ever get fedupped with listening to your own voice?
Nevermind
David Cameron is funding ordinary Muslims and non-Muslims in the UK to populate Islamic State. All I am saying is : don’t trust posh etonian politicians when they try to reassure you that they have no connection with that nightmare situation. they are in it up to their eyeballs and they are paying for it.
Nevermind
Western powers could not do anything in the Middle East or anywhere else without the assistance of the nest of spies from those countries working for them. That’s the point I’m trying to make. The Muslims who suffer genocide and oppression have to hold their own countrymen or co-religionists responsible for their suffering as much as the colonial powers. Set the record straight.
While I hope this might stem some of Israel’s adventures into foreign countries I do not like some of the terminology of the report, particularly “This was done so that the F-16’s electronic countermeasures would first fix on the SA-2 and SA-9 while the S-300 plowed forward to exterminate the vermin inside the Israeli aircraft.” Human beings are not vemin. They have loved ones and a life to live. Target govrenments not individuals. Please.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/syria-shoots-down-israeli-warplane-f-16-bomber-and-helicopters/5471009
Dreoilin; “FFS, Macky, put a sock in it.”
It’s called engaging, you should try it some time instead of your usual fly-by one line sour snarks ! 😀
“It’s called engaging, you should try it some time instead of your usual fly-by one line sour snarks !”
I wouldn’t mind if you “engaged” in good faith Macky. But you don’t. You’re dishonest. And there is evidence on Squonk + here of that.
You attacked Clark for revealing your “gender”. That you were female. I asked you there (on Squonk) if you preferred to be taken as male because you thought you’d be better treated if people didn’t know you were a woman. You exploded in faux-outrage at my “sexism” and went on to waffle about how important your privacy online was to you. Blah blah.
Later on, the same subject cropped up here on Craig’s blog, iirc at the bottom of a long thread, a few months ago. You again attacked Clark for “revealing” things about you that he couldn’t have known if he hadn’t been a moderator. (If he “revealed” something about you by referring to you as “she” or “her”, surely that proves that you’re female?) Anyway, someone, probably Clark, asked you something about what difference it made, and what did you say? You lashed back at him that he should surely know that women and men are treated very differently on blogs like this.
Of course, I wasn’t active here at the time, and you couldn’t have known that I was reading your hypocrisy, and remembered very well your explosion of so-called outrage at me on Squonk.
You’re a liar, Macky, and a hypocrite. Anyone responding to you here needs to know that, before they even consider “engaging” with you.
Oops, sorry, I forgot: 😀
Regarding my last comment, apparently the shooting down of the Israeli plane has not been reported in our media though it supposedly happened two days ago.
Why does the world love war soo much? I could be writing (well I am actually) writing my novel.
There was a wonderful mini-sketch Dudley Moore and Peter Cook.
“Dudley Moore: I’m writing a book.
Peter Cook: Really? Neither am I. . .”
Interesting graphic, which I think show a revealing correlation between countries “Defence” spendings, and their record for armed agression;
http://www.vox.com/2015/8/23/9189153/us-defense-spending-international-comparison
This bit may surprise some;
“Russia’s military spending, for example, is dwarfed by the combined commitments of the UK, France, and Germany.”
@Dreoilin, nobody is bored enough to be interested in your fairy tale misrepresentations, and nobody with any sense is going to believe any of it anyway, so best take your own advise and “put a sock in it” 😀
“@Dreoilin, nobody is bored enough to be interested in your fairy tale misrepresentations, and nobody with any sense is going to believe any of it anyway, so best take your own advise and “put a sock in it””
You disgust me, Macky. I’ve never come across another liar like you on this blog.
I’ll be back.
Here are the initial quotations, from Squonk:
Macky – “Maybe it’s possible that I didn’t want that revealed, don’t you think ?”
Me – “Why? Did you think you’d have more clout at CMs if you were taken as a man?
Unbelievable …”
Macky – “What a cheap sexist comment ! I actually value my privacy, especially on the Internet; the less known about me online, the better; have you not been following the Snowden issue either ?”
all from here
https://squonk.tk/blog/2015/03/15/the-general-discussion-thread/comment-page-8/#comments
It’ll take me a little longer to find the quotes at Craig’s but I’ll find them.
Fairy tales, eh Macky?
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Goodnight
Goodnight Dreoilin; I hope you don’t stay up too late wallowing in your hate-feast ! 😀 😀
My that was quick ! You do have a bee in your bonnet tonight !
Ok, run me through what these quotes are supposed to reveal as you really are not making any sort of sense at all ! Where is hypocrisy, where are the lies ? !!
Beware of Turks bearing co-operation !
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/nation-world/world/middle-east/article32206167.html
Do the Saudis know what they are doing ?!
http://news.antiwar.com/2015/08/24/saudis-turn-a-blind-eye-as-al-qaedas-gains-grow-across-southern-yemen/
Ah, Macky – I see you’ve made yet another friend.
Oddly enough, this new friend is also on the same side of the political fence as us, generally speaking.
Would you entertain the thought that perhaps you rub people up the wrong way? Of course not – that’s just another example of the failings of everybody else, and nothing to do with your toxic narcissistic control-freak personality disorder.
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Just in case I’m wrong, and you’re not a toxic narcissist, tell us about something you got wrong. A mistake you made. Something you needed to apologise for. Can you think of anything?
I’m Liking this Dude..Bill Burr –
” There’s That Guy from Nestle Who doesn’t think water is a Human Right”
Whilst i wouldn’t Shoot the %#$&… for saying that ( more than once )
But I’m thinking of the Drought over Ben’s End…And –
A Parched Land Cowers
The mirage Folds and Drifts
Through Warm Dust
An Empty Child sifts
Those Helpless little Fingers
For want of a Morsel
A Closer Death Lingers.
Bill Burr on Hilary Clintons Bilderberg connections, Republicans and Nestle. –
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JincoQiWTmU
Glenn; “Ah, Macky – I see you’ve made yet another friend.”
Not really the most observant of people are you ! Dopey Dreoilin has been on my back for years now ! Seems to have got miffed because I once pulled her up for her bitchy behaviour towards Mary, and has ever since, like a bitter poisonous spider, sat in the center of her Internet web, on constant alert for any pretext to spit out her bile at me ! A bit like you really, not being able to come to terms with always coming away with egg on your face whenever you have tried to have a dig at me, but you just can’t stop yourself trying anyhow ! 😀
Glenn; “Oddly enough, this new friend is also on the same side of the political fence as us, generally speaking.”
What a thought, almost enough to turn anybody into a Zionist supporter ! Funny how you two “same side of the fence” people, are more focused on personal attacks, rather than engaging on issues, but after your last dismay attempt on immigration, I can appreciate that you’re rather limited with that option..
Glenn; “Would you entertain the thought that perhaps you rub people up the wrong way? Of course not – that’s just another example of the failings of everybody else, and nothing to do with your toxic narcissistic control-freak personality disorder.”
More a case of some people not appreciating having a few home-truths pointed out to them.
Glenn; “Just in case I’m wrong, and you’re not a toxic narcissist, tell us about something you got wrong. A mistake you made. Something you needed to apologise for. Can you think of anything?”
Certainly can, that I was wrong not to have originally named you one of The-Axis-Of-The-Dim, as you have certainly proven your worth with flying colours lately, so I humbly apologise for that oversight ! : 😀