The Labour Party is being remarkably coy about releasing the actual result of its Scottish accounting unit leadership election, giving only a percentage. The entirely complacent unionist media is complicit in what amounts to a deception. The stunning truth is that in a one person, one vote election among the entire membership of the Labour Party in Scotland plus trades union supporters, Dugdale won with 5,217 votes (out of a claimed electorate of 21,000, many of whom do not exist or could not be arsed to choose between two right wing numpties).
UPDATE: A second Labour figure just rang me to assure me my information – which was from a good source – is wrong. She would not give the actual figure and only said it was “higher”. I offered to take down the post and publish an accurate figure if she would give it, but this was declined.
@Rd, LOL ! I just love your dodgy links, I didn’t even have to go to any bother myself, as a comment under the article says it all; talk about spoiling my fun !! đ
“That last image doesn’t make any sense, and the story behind it doesn’t help your argument at all. If I were you, I’d seriously consider editing this part out (along with my comment here). The Nazi flag is in both photos, while the Azov battalion flag in the first is replaced with the Novorossiya flag in the second. But why would the pro-Russia terrorists pose with the NATO flag? This detail by itself shows that the second photo must be the fake. Unfortunately, Petros did not do his research very well on this one. “
Macky – you really are as thick as the commenter – following the link in the article given to here and it is all explained.
http://ukraineatwar.blogspot.nl/2014/11/nazis-in-azov-battalion.html
Only a simpleton, given the weight of the evidence would seek to deny the involvement of fascists in the rebel forces or Putin’s links and funding of the far right in Europe.
@RD, perhaps only a real simpleton, seeking to prove that there are Neo Nazis fighting for the Donbas separatists (against the undisputed scores of Nazis openly fighting for Kiev !), would post one link starting with;
“Type ‘fascist Ukraine’ into Google and the first dozens of results all refer to the Ukrainian government and those forces fighting the Donbas separatists.”
and then compound his stupidity by linking to another article to ends with;
“Conclusion: Yes, there are Nazi-admirers in AZOV, which by the way is no longer a volunteer group but has become a Ukrainian army unit.
So yes, there are Nazi-admirers in the Ukrainian army. It does NOT mean the Ukrainian army is a Nazi-army AT ALL.”
!!!!!!!!!! đ
Does the fact that virtually every link you provide turns out to be farcical propaganda that always explodes in your face, cause you to consider why your world-view is so topsy-turvy ? I guess not, otherwise you wouldn’t be such a simpleton !
@RD, here’s a link that I’m sure you will find of interest, and feel free to pick holes in it, if you can that is ! đ
http://www.counterpunch.org/2015/08/28/zionism-in-britain-a-neglected-chronicle/
As I said only a simpleton
And you really are an ignorant simpleton if you think Zionism motivates my politics – there are rather a lot of other issues in the world, and political belief systems that really have precious little to do with the State of Israel. When they do polls of the political issues that concern most people in the UK (or the Western World for that matter) my guess is that Zionism hardly ever registers – unlike in the crackpot quarter that you and the other obsessives tend to occupy.
RD; “if you think Zionism motivates my politics”
Who do you think you are trying to kid !!
RD; “that really have precious little to do with the State of Israel”
There is hardly anything that has “precious little to do with the State of Israel”, it’s a malign influnce that touches virtually everything; you obviously didn’t read the Zionism in Britain link.
RD; “my guess is that Zionism hardly ever registers”
Bad guess, the Zionist governed State of Israel is always near the top in polls of countries rated as “The Biggest Threat To World Peace”
I leave with this inspiring failure of Zionism in practise;
http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/1.673469
You are not taking a leaf out of the Comical Ali how to answer questions pamphlet there, not at all, not at all!!!!!
Very true, but the only one issue concerning a bunch of mad dogs; constantly attacking everyone in its neighbourhood time and again, carpet bombing away every country in the vicinity at one time or another, with all manner of freely gifted weapons systems and forever using the most barbaric weapons that are the stuff of the nightmares. Also being armed to the teeth with nuclear and thermonuclear bombs and bombers that can drop these along with secondary retaliatory dolphin class submarines gifted by the Germans, and then accusing the world being bent on its destruction is; zionistan silly!
You guess could be hardly anything else resident dissembler turned resident comical Ali, would it?
Fact that Harman is getting rid of other parties’ members evidently does not extend to the zionist supremacist club members!
The urge to have a dig at the browns and the sand niggers taking the better of you and shoving the “Western World”. How very parochial, as we are not debating the most pernicious influence ever in the history of the mankind that falls in line with the South African apartheid and the Nazi supremacist, not forgetting those nice segregationist ol boys in US.
Pot, kettle, etc says he sporting the moniker; resident dis..
“The urge to have a dig at the browns and the sand niggers taking the better of you and shoving the âWestern Worldâ.”
Your racist language not mine.
When they do polls of the political issues that concern most people in the UK (or the Western World for that matter)
and then:
Indeed!
Pathetic rebuttal to charges of false claims and dissembling.
“Your racist language not mine.”
I think the colonial jargon, and dig at that sector, was evident to all. Clearly I am wrong.
RD; âYour racist language not mine.â
No, you’re rather less upfront than to use such racist language, and insead prefer to act as a cheerleader for “Humanitarian Interventions” that just happen to always result in large numbers of certain people being killed, and catastrophic aftermaths; not to mention your support for the war-mongering class & blood-soaked war criminals, & also for the racists mass murderers occupying Palestine.
Alright, Macky – I think here our approaches irrevocably are revealed to be different. I don’t doubt that the Right of the LP will make life difficult for Corbyn, though I continue to believe there is still a balancing act to be made. If Corbyn openly follows a policy of expulsion, the backlash is likely to be worse. You’ve not explained how the by-elections won’t risk giving seats to the Tories in marginal constituencies, and the process of banishment may dampen the enthusiasm for Corbyn we have thus far seen.
I still don’t know what mechanism you would use to remove Iraq War supporting MPs from the party. Whilst I understand that you support legal due process in terms of prosecution and incarceration, it sounds like you do not believe in that when it comes to party membership. This is where we differ. I’ve already pointed out that a purge may result in legal action, and I don’t think you’ve considered this either. Miring the party in expensive claims will sap resources that would be better used elsewhere, in campaigning for 2020.
I think we may have reached the end of our discussion, and I thank you for it. I sense that perhaps my views, which are honestly held, have annoyed you – they really are not designed to. I do take the perspective that practical politics requires some compromise, and that is the price for creating a broad tent that will broaden the appeal of the socialist or social-democratic Left. I wish it were simpler, but we are where we are!
I suppose, in relation to our discussion, we will have to see how Team Corbyn responds to these difficult challenges, and how well the party holds together. My guess is he will hold out an olive branch, but we’ll know in a month or two.
@Jon, Sorry, as I suspect you wanted your last reply to be the last word, but just a few words to address outstanding points.
Jon; âIf Corbyn openly follows a policy of expulsion, the backlash is likely to be worse.â
Well bad enough to even more bad enough doesnât seem to be too much of a difference to me, and actually more of an incentive to do your worse in the in for a penny in for a pound way.
Jon: âYouâve not explained how the by-elections wonât risk giving seats to the Tories in marginal constituencies, and the process of banishment may dampen the enthusiasm for Corbyn we have thus far seenâ
I didnât imply that it wouldnât be risky, which is why I used the word âhopefullyâ when stating that riding the public popular support JC has generated, a cleaned-up Labour Party, should attract the massive anti-war, especially anti-Iraq War Public sentiment, and so will hopefully ensure that most of these by-elections will return back to Labour. I think rather than dampen it will enhance, but failure to act, ie back to business as normal with the illegal war MPs, will be the real turn off & dampener.
Jon; âI still donât know what mechanism you would use to remove Iraq War supporting MPs from the partyâ
I really donât know why you think this is a real issue ! Any organization can vote to expel members who bring the orgainsation into disrepute ! The same way NuLabour got rid of Militant Tendency type members, or even George Galloway, will do ! Taking this country into an illegal war on a tissue of lies, that caused a drop of millions of actual Labour members, nevermind electoral support, counts as disrepute in my book !
Jon; “a purge may result in legal action”
If court winning Galloway wasnât able to sue the Labour Party, I donât think anybody else will be able to !
Jon;; âI sense that perhaps my views, which are honestly held, have annoyed you ââ
Not really, I just get irritated sometimes on time-wasting misunderstandings, but nothing compared to how annoyed I get with people who are unable or ill-equipped for a rational & honest exchange, so Iâm happy to say you are a bit of a relief in that sense ! However your âour approaches irrevocably are revealed to be differentâ, does perhaps tend to throw a light on why I (Fedup & others also?), had such an âinterestingâ time under your reign as Moderator ! đ
@Jon, just see this;
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/senior-labour-mps-offer-jeremy-6346452
Every comment I’ve seen so far is saying the same thing, tell the blackmailing Right Wingers to F@@@ Off ! “We don’t want New Labour back, but True Labour back ! đ
If he is elected leader, Corbyn will have an immense battle on his hands and he will need all the help and suppirt he can get.
I note that Simon Danczuk (whom I otherwise very much admire in his struggle to have industrial-scale child abuse subjected to proper scrutiny) yesterday on ‘Any Questions’ (BBC Radio 4) was suggesting that the Labour Party “be more ruthless” about getting rid of leaders. It was clear to me that this was a call potentially to remove a (democratically-elected) Corbyn. Since the Labour Party under Blair, onwards, seems to have been largely obsessed with illegal and bloody ‘regime change’ and ‘intervention’ abroad, it ought not to surprise anyone that its acolytes promoting ‘regime change’ within their own party. It is, after all, more or less how they rose to power post-1990. These people have the backing of the hard state and more broadly, of the Establishment and Wall Street. They are part of the neoliberal war machine. I am not sure how, or even if, the Labour Party can reconcile all of these contradictions. It did in the past, but its Right wing has become so very right wing, it makes people like Hattersley, Healey, Castle and so on look like leaders of the Third International.
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Looney Lefties!!!!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6y_uNSeRjqg
Craig may have been out of this World while Doune the Rabbit Hole, but Blair has always been in the alternate reality of being Down the real Rabbit Hole;
https://weegingerdug.wordpress.com/2015/08/30/down-the-rabbit-hole-with-tony/
Spot the pertinent comments as to the nature of the present Blairite/Brownite dominated Labour Party; yes JC really needs to return it back to being a Labour Party worthy of its name.
Spot on observation from ML’s gloriousrevolution in commenting on the weegingerdug article above;
“That the Conservatives were so unpopular and probably any Labour candidate would have won the election, was precisley why getting Blair into place, leading a transformed Labour Party that was going to continue the Conservative’s political agenda, only more intelligently and with a less strident, arrogant, and unpopular style, was so important. The importance of making sure that Labour always has the ‘right’ leader is one of the cornerstones of UK politics.”
Macky, at 12:49pm today. Absolutely.
Glad to see my position on those who voted for the attack on Iraq, being made by others also;
https://twitter.com/johnwhilley/status/639020486047977472