The Labour Party is being remarkably coy about releasing the actual result of its Scottish accounting unit leadership election, giving only a percentage. The entirely complacent unionist media is complicit in what amounts to a deception. The stunning truth is that in a one person, one vote election among the entire membership of the Labour Party in Scotland plus trades union supporters, Dugdale won with 5,217 votes (out of a claimed electorate of 21,000, many of whom do not exist or could not be arsed to choose between two right wing numpties).
UPDATE: A second Labour figure just rang me to assure me my information – which was from a good source – is wrong. She would not give the actual figure and only said it was “higher”. I offered to take down the post and publish an accurate figure if she would give it, but this was declined.
Does Andrew Levine propose any tactical advantage in encouraging anti-semitism?
There’s the obvious desire to encourage more immigration to Israel, particularly from wealthier more sophisticated Western European Jews.
Always been a problem that. Since way back. Too many poor and huddled masses already.
Hard to prise them from Paris, lure them from London or ehhh… averb them from Antwerp and Amsterdam.
To go farm the desert.
Bit of a teaser, eh.
What to do:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2955293/French-PM-slams-Israel-s-call-Jews-leave-amid-fears-terror-attack-tells-France-wounded-you.html
Put on a show, perhaps.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ge8h8XCeaGs
How’d that Tel Aviv sur Seine thing go, anyway?
Is Neuilly evacuating en masse to a West Bank settlement?
@Herbie
Thanks for the ref to that Daily Mail article.
The newspaper refers to the “French PM” in the URL. What are they – little Britishers or something? Some countries have presidents rather than monarchs, and president is what François Hollande is, not prime minister.
After the Charlie Hebdo murders, he sat in the audience in the Great Synagogue in Paris and looked on appreciatively as Netanyahu said Israel was always there as a “home” for Jews in France to go to.
Netanyahu must have pushed and pushed the same “plea” or “offer” afterwards – pushed and pushed until he met some resistance.
If any other regime said something like that, it would be called an interference in the internal affairs of another country. Could you imagine David Cameron going to Calais and saying that the citizens of that city can always emigrate to
Britain whenever they want, and that if they start getting hassle that’s exactly what they should do?
Or how about the Spanish PM Mariano Rajoy going to Los Angeles and saying LAtinos will always have a home in Spain?
This looks like another case of goy authorities being so utterly submissive and fawning but not sufficiently so, because no amount of submissiveness is ever sufficient. Arse-licking is too uppety. Arse-licking with shit-eating grins on their goy faces is too cheeky. Saying “Sir” isn’t enough. Say “Master”!
You’ve got to wonder whether any French politician has got the guts to say “No. We are the French state, and it’s our job to protect all of our citizens, including French Jews, and indeed to protect all other residents, and all visitors too, whatever their ethnicity or religion, and it’s not any foreign power’s job.”
It really is an extremely obvious and simple thing to say.
If you get submission, push and push until you get some resistance and then say the other person’s oppressing you, like the Nazis did to their victims.
It’s fucking psychotic.
Oh dear the 15 minutes hate now appears to go on all night.
RobG
“I’ll leave it to the psychiatrists to figure out Brown’s body language. I myself got quite dizzy with Brown’s budgie persona pacing up and down the cage.”
The body language is that of a fish in an aquarium that has swallowed the Thatcherite bait ‘ hook, line and sinker ‘ and ended up carrying the can for all her stupid stupid – the English language doesn’t have a word for the level of stupidity of the banking class that bankrupted the world.
Similarly the body language of Blair, speaking from behind a rock in the same aquarium, who swallowed the bait including the fishing rod and most of George Bush’s head and right arm.
And there they sit, lecturing us who did not fall for the neo-con tripe, about how we have failed to achieve the success of their imprisonment inside the cage of an aquarium.
Ominously, still to be put on display, are all those Al Qaida mercenaries and UK Asians in IS who have swallowed the bait of the Israeli Caliphate and jihad. Soon the ugly mug of Turkey’s president Erdogan will be tamely cruising up and down the fish tank with Blair and Brown.
http://www.voltairenet.org/local/cache-vignettes/L120xH161/arton188307-da29f.jpg
@Jon
“However, as various people have already said here in the past, there is no value in proclaiming this or that person a stooge, since it cannot be proven.”
Oh but they can be proved, by rigorous machine learning analysis of their comments. It is very easy to allocate to the many commentators here a live and historic quality figure of merit that can show who is here to degrade/deny/disrupt/destroy. Gchq, hanslope park, et al have to include this simple unmasking practicality in their social media attacks. Psychological manipulation doesn’t come cheap, if you’re doing it correctly.
RobG
“You can’t hold an argument, let alone win one.”
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On the contrary, dear boy. The sort of responses my posts elicit from the likes of you, Macky, Mary, Guano and so on proves the opposite – wouldn’ you agree?
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” You very often threaten posters on this board”
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Nonsense.
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“and often give hints that you know posters’ personal details”
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Really? The personal details in question have all been volonteered by the people concerned I think you’ll find (including your own).
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“And yes, I’ll say it again, we are coming for the pond life”
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Forgive the levity, but that conjures up a delightful picture of you in short trousers, standing at the edge of the pond with your little net, attempting to scoop up the frog-spawn and tadpoles…
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But enough of this, I know you’re only on here for fun and I must away to more agreeable pursuits (you know what they are! 🙂 )
Have a great day, Rob.
Radio 4 this morning described the situation in Egypt as follows ‘Since general Sisi has overthrown the previous PM Mubarak’
You see this is how history gets re written, by glib announcements that erase a whole revolutionary phase in the history of Egypt.
Sisi is a CIA pussy cat just like Mubarak was and the BBC would not think twice to do the same with Corbyn should he win and then be ‘overthrown’ by some combined establishment/MSM actions.
Listening to Yvette Cooper, at times shrill, more like market than studio, accusing Corbyn of having unrealistic policies, was a good laugh this morning. Her policies, just as that of the other two, would shadow Osborne’s spend thrift austerity and tax evasion policies to suit the top brass in the City of London, how unrealistic does that sound to voters?
Burnham’s clever sidestepping trying to make some mileage by agreeing tacidly with some of Corbyns points comes over as slimy electioneering.
FFS have they totally lost their Labour roots? are they really Tory’s? they not even red anymore, they’re mauve moving to dark blue.
It is indicative of the Angst that Corbyn spreads in the City of London that the debate, questioning his program and his persona, is conducted without him, like football hoooligans discussing what they ‘re gonna do to get at the other team supporters.
I hope that Corbyn has his people within eyesight of the count, because I don’t trust the election habits of the established political parties, their ‘tricks of the trade’, hallo Jack Straw what are you doing next week?, or their whiny mincing, the massive one-sided exposure of their waffle is overwhelming.
The three other contenders had far more airtime than Corbyn, whilst his comments were usually one liners, the airwaves were filled with the waffle of Tory policies and how they are going to be best for us, all day long. Day by day the BBC is making a stronger case for its break up, the lucky option, because some think they should be broken up and left to rot.
But then what would we do without a propaganda channel to fart at the Russian oligarchy…..
Anyone seen the massive poster on Wolverhamptons five ways roundabout? saying ‘Habby I’m going to get you’?
Very close to finding out your current abode there, you best go and live in the other place matey.
The idea that Corbyn is unelectable in 2020 is completely false. He hasn’t put a foot wrong yet; I’m impressed. For someone under such pressure, that’s impressive.
Wait until the backstabbers in Labour really get going on him, should he be elected as leader. The Bland Three have been making pious noises about party unity throughout, but the principle mysteriously doesn’t seem to apply to sucking it up and accepting that they belong to a party of the Left.
All things being equal, I’d agree with you, though I do think Corbyn would be well advised to work very hard on his potential-PM credentials until 2020: that’s where his opponents will have him. The demographic which supports Corbyn is the same as the one that threw Labour out of Scotland. Numerically, as long as he doesn’t woo the Blairites’ target of the comfortably-off swing vote, he’s in with a good chance.
But all things are not equal, NuLabour will weigh in on the side of the bourgeois (a word which deserves to be more widely used) and the 2020 election has the prospect of turning into a disorganised rout.
Another small point, now be getting a small staffie again, they do not like cats and anyone who smells of suntanned Israeli ‘chicks’, which should apply to about half of GCHQ.
Whyever would Israel suntan its chickens? And what fascination does habby have with them, is it chiceken soup? ‘just like Mama made it’ Or is it now normal language here to call young women ‘chicks’?
Wolverhampton beach…
http://c8.alamy.com/comp/B8NN7C/aerial-view-of-sand-and-gravel-quarry-at-featherstone-near-wolverhampton-B8NN7C.jpg
http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/coffeehouse/2015/08/why-is-michael-fallon-cosying-up-to-general-al-sisi/
The reasons for this position were neatly described by Michael Fallon himself. ‘Egypt is strategically vital,’ he wrote, as the largest Arab country, the operator of the Suez canal, and a willing partner in counter-terror programs. This is the old formula of supporting and defending any old tyrant or king around the Persian Gulf in the interests of supposed security for international trade and business, regardless of the self-defeating consequences.
In Fallon’s defence, it takes considerable face to stand in Ismailia and announce that a country run by a military dictator has ‘rejected authoritarianism’. The city is home to the notorious Azouli military prison and not far from its equivalent (called Agroot) in Suez, which are perhaps some of the worst dungeons in the world.
The British government is climbing over Western and Eastern allies alike to gratify al-Sisi and is dirtying itself in the process. Anyone who does not think brutal authoritarianism should be supported and defended in the Middle East, whatever the costs, should start saying so, and more cogently.
And that, possums, is the right-wing and usually reactionary Spectator talking…
After Kagame’s Karake scuttles back to Rwanda a free man, here’s another candidate for Cherie Blair’s Holistic Exoneration Therapy:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/sri-lankas-former-president-mahinda-rajapaksa-forecasts-election-success-despite-war-crimes-probe-10458214.html
Tony Blair, Cherie and two other family members are currently in Sri Lanka (elections today). Rumour is rife as to the purpose of his ‘holiday’ – it might even be just that – and the Dear Global Leader hasn’t been seen in public for some time. Two conflicting theories:
1. Our Saviour is there to get the contract to ‘advise’ on ‘deliverology’* from Wickremesinghe if he gets elected. Some say he’s already got it.
2. Our Saviour is there to get the contract to ‘advise’ on ‘deliverology’* from
Rajapaksa, with whom he has had friendly dealings in the past.
A process which often results in mining contracts and arms sales, not without some input from HMG.
Dave’s ‘favourite columnist’ is said to be Dan Hodges, Torygraph scribbler, BLiarite and son of Glenda Jackson.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dan_Hodges
His latest oeuvre is this junk where Jeremy is portrayed as Hitler and the Labour MPs are either the Free French model or the Maquis led by Chuka and Tristram. What dark imaginings arise in Hodges’ brain down there in Blackheath!
‘Labour MPs are now preparing to go underground to resist the Corbyn regime
A last-minute attempt to have Yvette Cooper and Liz Kendall withdraw from the race has failed. Now MPs are planning for life under Jeremy Corbyn
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/labour/11805916/Labour-MPs-are-now-preparing-to-go-underground-to-resist-the-Corbyn-regime.html
‘Speaking to shadow ministers over the weekend, it appears a majority are moving towards the Maquis model. “The key lesson we learnt in the 1980s is you never voluntarily concede ground to the Left,” one said to me. They also pointed out that there are number of practical and constitutional reasons why it was important not relinquish control of the shadow cabinet.’
LOL
Could someone please tell me where the ‘Wolverhampton’ location arose and why?
My late husband was seconded to a long job in Dudley. There was apparently a local saying – ‘It’s deadly in Dudley but worse in Wumpton’ meaning Wolverhampton.
No offence intended to residents of either town reading this.
Could someone please tell me where the ‘Wolverhampton’ location arose and why?
It’s where he lives. With his cat. On kebabs from the Turk up the street.
@RobG, yes, there’s certainly been a marked shift from the single to the dual family income, I think both in the US and across Europe. It’s part of the decline of wages in real terms since Thatcherism. However, whilst I agree the electoral choice is limited, and there are serious concerns about media ownership and bias, there are nevertheless many examples where the turkey electorate has voted for Christmas.
Take the last election – imagine if Miliband had won. He is not a conviction politician and was frequently terrified of the Left – but he had a very good policy on non-domicile taxation. That may have started the conversation on closing down tax havens under British control, also valuable. He effectively was offering “slower cuts”, which I think isn’t great, but better than austerity on Tory terms. Thus, I do think there would have been less social harmm under a Labour government.
Thus whilst I think it is correct to discuss media influence and propaganda as a corrosive to free choice, it is also correct to say that some people believe that individualism is genuinely the better path. Thus, blaming the system on individuals of a particular political persuasion is unfair – should Tory voters be informed come the revolution that they are now due in court? Would that not be a McCarthyism that the Left elsewhere would correctly decry?
In any case, what of the working class Tory voter, who admires the language of entrepreneurship and the “self-made man”? These are admirable concepts that work out for some and transform into pain for others. Take the example of an impoverished family who voted to the Right and subsequently experienced reduced healthcare – we might normally suggest they were exhibiting false consciousness, and had been taken in by the seductive and ineluctable logic of capitalism. Should they be arrested too?
@Macky, if I suggest that any two people cease interaction here, it is because the exchange has become abusive. Not only is that mode of exchange pointless for the individuals involved, but it creates a bitter atmosphere that makes reading unpleasant for others. If I pose questions for other people, then yes, I would like them to be answered. But, given that the exchange I had with Habbabkuk was civil, he may elect to sidestep my question if that is his wish. Equally, you are free to make your own inferences from the avoidance.
Speak of the devil.
Chilcot Inquiry won’t save Tony Blair from the verdict of history, DOMINIC LAWSON writes
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-3200425/Sorry-Mr-Blair-Iraq-report-farce-won-t-save-verdict-history.html
Relatives desperate to learn the truth about why Tony Blair sent their sons and daughters to …
There is absolutely nothing that we did not already know in Lawson’s piece. Just another stamping of the feet about the ‘inquiry’ – a conversation, a piece of theatre, a diversion.
“Jon, when I grew-up 40 years ago (just before neo-liberalism took a hold) in a family unit only the husband needed to go out to work, or sometimes vice versa. Now both parents have to work in an attempt to keep their head above water. The effect this has had on family life, and the fact that many couples can’t even afford to have children, is totally appalling.
Yet we are told this is ‘normal’, and everything’s the fault of the immigrants.
Britain hasn’t gone out on a bang, it’s gone out on a total whimper.
And yes, I’ll say it again: those who are responsible for this will be held to account.”
Feminists?
I don’t think we can blame them, they had a highly just and moral cause, they just hadn’t thought it through.
Svengali Mandelson tried to get the labour leader contest pulled.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/labour-leadership-lord-mandelson-tried-to-orchestrate-mass-resignation-of-centre-candidates-to-defeat-jeremy-corbyn-10458453.html
Good guess Ba’al – overturning the money changers tables might witness Corbyn on the cross.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-33950405
“‘suntanned Israeli ‘chicks’, which should apply to about half of GCHQ.’”
“Whyever would Israel suntan its chickens?”
Alert! Alert! Literal interpretation joke 🙂
“anyone who smells of suntanned Israeli ‘chicks’, which should apply to about half of GCHQ”
Do you mean they go to Israel or Israelis come to them?
I’ve wondered about the relative sizes of input here from the doughnutters and the hasbaraniks too. Or maybe to make such a big distinction is an error?
Is Mandelson losing his touch?
I just hope the people of England have wakened up to Gordon Brown et al.
Oh please don’t be conned, again!
Stand up for yourselves, please.
Your politicians have been getting you a bad name!
Kick them out!
The way we did in Scotland!
Disrespectful to call women “chicks”, in my opinion.
It’s not easy to find a colloquial synonym for the formal “women”, though. I was once thoroughly dressed down for calling one of my therapist colleagues a “lady”. She really hated it.
Kind regards,
John
Mary
https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2015/07/embarrassing-pasts/comment-page-4/
@Embarrassing Pasts Anon1
TY for the BBC link, Mark. Aside from being pretty well identical to the Guardian’s enormous front-page spread on the thoughts of chairman Broon, there’s a nice little point in there: Brown says this:
Don’t tell me that we can do much for the poor of the world if the alliances we favour most are with Hezbollah, Hamas, Chávez’s successor in Venezuela and Putin’s totalitarian Russia.
…Azerbaijan, Bahrain, Saudi Arabia, Israel, Myanmar, Kazakhstan, Egypt, Colombia, and the pretty dodgy bunch running Ukraine…?
Oh, and Blair’s not too proud to talk with Hamas (in Qatar, which supports Hamas) even if Broon’s got, er, principles. And Hezbullah… isn’t that fighting ISIS, with very little help from Broon?
“Oh dear the 15 minutes hate now appears to go on all night”
The 15 week hate began the day Corbyn was nominated but appears to be running out of steam. Gordon Brown should really have stated which candidate he preferred. There’s no point implying that Corbyn lacks credibility when his opponents have even less. They are absolute dross and Brown clearly knows that. It would have been so different if David Miliband had been standing.
The barrel-scraping accusations of “anti-semitism” against Corbyn are instructive. They tell us that he is not a philanderer, wife-beater, alcoholic or drug-taker, paedophile or fraudster. The Establishment hates nothing more than a politician on whom it has nothing.
Mandelson in the Guardian today:
“Those of us who stayed and fought to save the Labour party in the 1980s will be experiencing a growing sense of deja vu. The last five years have left us with a terrible legacy to overcome with the existence of the Labour party as an effective electoral force now at stake.”
That’s those of us who built up a lucrative relationship with foreign oligarchs in the 90’s and 00’s, narrowed the distinction between Labour and the Tories to a hairsbreadth, sold off state assets and refused to reinvest the proceeds (preferring PFI at three times the cost for any project) got our peerage, helped bail out the crashed banks and vanished over the horizon – except for ex-cathedra oratory – in 2010. Since which exact moment we have been a consultant:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2706344/Putin-Prince-Darkness-Revealed-web-links-Peter-Mandelsons-shadowy-global-consultancy-firm-billionaire-power-brokers-Putins-Russia.html
No, Gordon. We don’t want anyone who favours an alliance with Putin’s Russia, do we?
C*nt.