I am unreservedly delighted at Jeremy Corbyn’s election. He made a quite excellent speech, specifically rejecting an attack on Syria, marketization in the NHS and the new anti-union legislation. Hopefully the scale of his victory will give pause to the Blairites who will realise they are not as all-important as they thought.
There is no doubt whatsoever that the vast majority of the Labour establishment, as represented by the people in that hall, are hostile to Corbyn. The question now is whether Corbyn can overhaul party mechanisms in such a way as to bring the opinions of the membership to bear on policy and override that right wing “elite” who have been in charge of the party.
The first few weeks are key. Most Blairites are above all careerists. If they think Corbyn can carry through his personal dominance into control of policy and party mechanisms, then many of the Blairites will look at their constituency members and suddenly discover they had left-wing principles after all. If the Blairites think that a resistance and undermining campaign against Corbyn will succeed (and there will certainly be one), they will go for that. In short, most “Blairites” are out for themselves and will join what they perceive will be the winning side Corbyn’s winning margin, and the fact he won overwhelmingly among full members, gives him a very strong base.
I have shared anti-war and pro-Palestinian platforms with Jeremy, and have the greatest respect for him. I also expect that he will have the strength to stand against both the smothering blandishments and the attacks of the neo-con establishment. The “Corbyn’s election is a disaster” narrative is being pushed by the BBC relentlessly in every question and comment – for example they just asked Ed Miliband “In retrospect was it a mistake for you to resign the day after the election?”, the clear sub-text being that Corbyn’s election was undesirable.
Ever since I realised that Blair’s New Labour was entirely subservient to the neo-con agenda I have regarded Labour as the enemy, as a fake opposition so close to the Tories as to make no difference. I viewed its leadership as utterly unscrupulous careerists fully signed up to a vicious pro-wealthy agenda at home and completely subservient to US/Israeli foreign policy abroad. This new careerism tied in very nicely with a pre-existing rotten borough corruption in Scotland and Northern England. I utterly detested the Labour Party.
So it is difficult for me to find the Labour Party led by a man whom I know, nuch respect, and with whom I disagree on almost nothing except Scottish independence. I also continue to believe that once consolidated, Jeremy will make it clear he has no hostility to Scottish independence and will support a second referendum whenever the Scottish government wants it.
But the problem is that the Labour Party hierarchy, and particularly their parliamentary party, is still full of people who are neo-cons, Red Tories, appallingly corrupt, careerists and in several cases war criminals. To know what attitude to adopt to the Labour Party must depend on how the battle for control of the party pans out. The scale of Corbyn’s victory, and the total rejection of the direct interference of Tony Blair, give Corbyn a great start. Those Blairite bastions – the Guardian and the BBC – are spluttering incoherently.
Jeremy Corbyn has just won the battle for party leadership. But the battle for control of the Labour Party just started.
“I saw the midnight news on Russia Today. They were naturally over the moon with JC’s election…etc, etc…zzzz”
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Over the moon they may have been but if a Russian JC were to emerge I don’t think he’d survive very long in the Kingdom of Putin.
Various killings and gaol sentences refer.
The war in Iraq.
“Corbyn opposed it while Friends of Israel were the people who made it happen. They’re the enemies of Britain.”
Exactly. So are all the trolls on here who support the various Friends of Israel. I used to adhere to the principle of a two-state solution until last year’s genocide by Netanyahu. I no longer believe apartheid Israel has any right to existence. It, and its bank-controlled governments and their armed forces, is responsible for all the ruin and destabilisation of the Middle East in its pursuit of a United States of Israel. It is responsible for the mass-murder in Palestine and the refugee crisis in Europe.
What the Israeli banking families want is world domination. Year by year it slips further from their grasp. The monetary system it props up (petro-dollar) is on the verge of collapse. Like Germany in the late thirties the US, Israel and to some extent the UK, have nothing but weapons, prisons and powerfully strong national guards. It is the formula for fascism.
For the record.
http://www.labour.org.uk/blog/entry/results-of-the-labour-leadership-and-deputy-leadership-election
The oleaginous Bradshaw was eliminated at the first round of the Deputy vote. Ex BBC, LFoI, Henry Jackson Society! etc.
Assisted in the dismantling of OUR NHS.
Political offices
Minister of State for Health 2007–2009
New office Minister for the South West 2007–2009
Secretary of State for Culture, Media and Sport 2009–2010
Shadow Secretary of State for Culture, Media and Sport 2010
A snake in a Progress neo-liberal skin.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ben_Bradshaw
http://www.spinwatch.org/index.php/issues/more/item/181-labour-friends-of-israel-in-the-house
Not on piece rates like the trolls here but one of the episodes of extreme fatigue and disturbed sleep patterns I experience now. Perhaps it’s one of the side effects of 6 weeks of radiotherapy and a dose of Iodine 131. I fell to sleep after the Proms finished and woke at 4 am. Lights on. TV on. Back door wide open luckily for the sake of my dog. So there it is.
I hear Jeremy is already trying to duck out of PMQs. Is he afraid?
“What the Israeli banking families want is world domination. ”
Israeli? Can’t you be honest about what it is you want to say John? Perhaps Mary can help you run through some of the surnames.
I see Mr Goss has been entertaining us with his conspiracy theories regarding the death of Princess Diana, perfectly dismembered by Kempe. This to go with his theories about the Rothschilds, 9/11 and the missing Malaysian plane on Diego Garcia. Quite the clown. Would Jeremy Corbyn want the likes of Mr Goss in his party?
John Goss “What the Israeli banking families want is world domination.”
You’re going way too far there and that’s the kind of comment the Zionist lobby use as ammunition.
Something that has stuck in my mind from a TV investigation on the Bilderberg group was someone connected with them saying something about people bobbing along on the tide. That illustration has to have more truth than any idea that one small group could run everything. The capacity for any small group of people to have world domination isn’t remotely there.
As far as Israel is concerned, what there is, is a very powerful lobby acting with the Israeli state that successfully promotes Israel’s interest in the West. Against the interests of the west, peace in the middle east, and where they miscalculate – Israel’s interests too. But that’s their focus. Its not “world domination”.
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I should correct (partly) what I said earlier – I’ll give Pollard that Saddam Hussein does appear at the end in a quote.
” Quite the clown. ”
And now he has the avatar to match!
Still pushing the old old anti-Semitism yet again I’m afraid.
John Goss “What the Israeli banking families want is world domination.”
That’s what I said Je. I also said it was slipping from their grasp. Syria is going to be even harder for them. There are many good Jewish people who do not support Zionism. The Israeli government has made it very difficult for them. But we have seen what happened in Scotland with the SNP which virtually wiped out the red and blue tories. Now it is evident that with Jeremy Corbyn’s success their is a huge groundswell of public will towards creating an opposition to the tories.
In the US for that to happen they probably need a new party.
“I used to adhere to the principle of a two-state solution until last year’s genocide by Netanyahu.”
This is I suspect a lie – Goss has been pushing his Rothchilds anti-Semitism shit for years – and to the best of my knowledge I never saw any argument from Mr Goss or on his linked sites for the two states solution. Given the extensive debates on Isreal here I’m sure that Mr Goss will be able to point to any contrary evidence if there is any.
Looks like somebody’s got the old Blairite vampire out of his coffin. Bet he’s reeling with angst from the success of Jeremy Corbyn. 🙂
“I fell to sleep after the Proms finished and woke at 4 am”
You must have seen the part when the conductor started promoting her ‘gender equality’ and ‘anti-racism’ politics at the end then? Right between Land of Hope and Glory and Rule Britannia. For a while the BBC wanted to ban the patriotic bit at the end of the Last Night. Then they came up with a much more clever idea – make one’s love of one’s country mean something else entirely – the diversity and radical identity politics agenda promoted by the BBC, served up in the long speech by the conductor, and the celebration of which made to define what it is to be British. Have them bobbing their heads to that instead.
Someone – I think it was Jemand – once told me to be nice to Mr Goss because he thought him a decent fellow underneath. I disagree. Goss is a liar, dissembler and infiltrator in the old Soviet mould.
Waking thought …NO…Defiant NO
I’m with the polemicist. “Fuck reforms from elite institutions, we need more protest and revolutions.“
Your all welcome to do what you do, That’s freedom (actually in ‘your’ case I think it’s habit but hay-ho)…I don’t think it’s close to cutting it at all…Not REMOTELY close, and anyone who’s say this alone is gona be change, what we need, is dead wrong and probably benefiting personally..Yes just sit back on your sofa. We’ll take care of it for you…
Just look at history. Battle for labour of you want, I think battle for freedom.
“Bron with a life sentence I prefer a fast death” https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y25psGJ2hBs
And yea. Wasn’t Jeremy talking about boosting the economy again. FFS this ain’t change. It isn’t. How about just giving us all ‘their’ money. Total redistribution…Or perhaps, fuck ‘their’ money.
John Goss
Craig has pointed out on several occassions that most of the bankers are protestant, and a worrying proportion are Scottish. Do you refer to “Scottish banking families” or to “Protestant banking families”? No you do not. So why do you refer to Jewish banking families?
And then you start with your not all Jews are bad routine. A liar, dissembler and a creep.
John..
“Bet he’s reeling with angst from the success of Jeremy Corbyn. :)”
O give up the smugness. This ain’t nothing. Be serious ffs, it’s moving the chairs on the Titanic.
The clown is now resulting to gratuitous abuse rather than providing evidence of his past support for the two state solution.
It is good it’s happened, don’t get me wrong. We shouldn’t be sad. But FFs the archaic institutions and alike, it all needs to change big time. Not reforms ultimately, but new institutions. New ways of organising. Built by ordinary people for ordinary people.
And we need to start working on this now. It’s sad I think your all going to get swept up in this. It’s like a bad dinner repeating on you. Sorry, not again for me.
“What the Israeli banking families want is world domination”
The Rothschilds are not Israeli, though they were obviously instrumental in bringing about Israel’s existence and own around 80% of the land. It’s more a private fiefdom really.
Scotland must break free from Westminster’s grip.
Westminster has barred the Scottish Government from joining a UK delegation to a vital international summit this month aimed at combating poverty, injustice, inequality and climate change.
The UK Secretary of State for International Development, Justine Greening, rejected a request from the Scottish minister, Humza Yousaf, to join the official delegation to a United Nations (UN) meeting of world leaders to adopt 17 sustainable development goals.
http://m.heraldscotland.com/news/13716893.Westminster_bans_Scotland_from_global_summit/
The PR office at Downing Street has issued the following “tweet” in David Cameron’s name:
“The Labour Party is now a threat to our national security, our economic security and your family’s security.”
Let’s be clear here:
to call the Labour Party a threat to national security must have the support of MI5 and MI6.
This is to do with the US and Israel.
It is age-old Tory hatred, of course. In the 1970s most of the Tory party basically saw the Labour Party as “communist”, an idea that was spread in preparation for a Pinochet-type solution.
We should watch fucking out.
When the next crash comes, which will dwarf Lehman’s, things could get very hairy indeed.
Most people who talk about politics, even here, can’t see very far beyond the end of their noses. David Cameron can’t either. But some people can. Those who really run this country can.
Get yer bug-out bags at the ready 🙂
Calling the whole of the Labour party a threat to national security is a major change.
Jeremy Corbyn seems a decent man, and is saying all the right things. The things we all want to hear. However, I say this to Mr Corbyn.
“Keep your hands off my country (Scotland) Labour’s incompetent hands”.
“We have kicked out all the Labour incompetent MPs bar one”.
“The people of Scotland will not be fooled again by Labour politicians. Not even you!”.
“How are you going to get rid of your bad eggs in England? The people in England do not have an alternative, like we do in Scotland”.
It will not be a surprise to me to see disgraced ex Labour MPs turn up in England as Malcolm Rifkind the ex Tory did.
“Congratulations, now go and sort out England where the root of the problem lies”.
‘The MP and former Synod member Frank Field looks at the new Labour leader from a ‘faith’ perspective and reflects on what their election means for the moral and ethical direction of the party.’
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b069gtk7
At the start.
He is a revolting so called ‘Christian’ snake in the grass and another of these neo-liberals. *Remember Cameron commissioned him to report on poverty?
He said….’I don’t think Jeremy despite this extraordinary win, will lead us anywhere other but into a cul de sac.’
Oh really – not down a dual carriageway with the blue fascists into mutual destruction?
The creep nominated Jeremy ffs.
*After Labour’s defeat in the 2010 election, he was given the role of “poverty czar” in David Cameron’s coalition government.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/david-cameron/7728859/David-Cameron-lines-up-Labours-Frank-Field-as-poverty-tsar.html
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Also on the programme. The same link. 30’40” in.
‘It’s alleged there was a ‘backroom deal’ between the CPS, the police and Church of England to avoid a damaging trial of a senior Bishop for indecent assault and gross indecency in the 1990’s. This week Bishop Peter Ball plead guilty to a series of historic sex offences against 18 young men between the 1970s and 90s. William Crawley asks why the original charges were dropped and where it leaves the Church today.’
“The UK Secretary of State for International Development, Justine Greening, rejected a request from the Scottish minister, Humza Yousaf, to join the official delegation to a United Nations (UN) meeting of world leaders to adopt 17 sustainable development goals.”
Humza Yousaf was elected to represent the people of Glasgow and right now average male life expectancy is higher in the Gaza Strip than it is in Glasgow.
They claimed they wanted self determination for the Scots but all they ever wanted was power for themselves.
Clearly if a party leader announces his intention to unilaterally disarm while states hostile or potentially hostile maintain their nuclear capability then that is a threat to national security.
That said, in the unlikely event that Corbyn wins a general election, he should be allowed carry out that promise unimpeded. For the time being he remains an (albeit distant) threat to national security. Hence Novorossia today leaping with joy at Corbyn’s leadership win.
“Humza Yousaf was elected to represent the people of Glasgow and right now average male life expectancy is higher in the Gaza Strip than it is in Glasgow.”
Glasgow must be doing pretty badly then as it is alleged that the Gaza Strip is undergoing genocide.
I think I’ll use that: Gaza – better than Glasgow.
“The Rothschilds are not Israeli, though they were obviously instrumental in bringing about Israel’s existence and own around 80% of the land. It’s more a private fiefdom really.”
What can be said without evidence can be dismissed without evidence – now piss off you racist.
In the 60s I worked for two separate MDs, both of whom were Jewish.
The first was an out and out crook who had previously been made bankrupt in the Republic of Ireland. He took over the company and managed to fleece his fellow director who was a son of a English aristocratic family out of many £thousands. In the end receivers were brought in (also Jewish) and the MD escaped without any sanctions. I pitied the young aristo for his naivety but despised him for the way in which he squandered his inherited wealth which has been extracted from the backs of shipbuilding workers in the North.
That job did not last long. The worst was for me, a 25 year old secretary, being left to hand out the notices to the staff of about 30. Some cried. It was an old established firm.
The second was Australian. He had married the daughter of the founder of the company who was an Orthodox Jew and who had come to the UK from Russia and set up the manufacturing company. I could never understand why I was always sending cheques (large sums for the time) to banks in Israel. Bank Leumi was one of them.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bank_Leumi
and from memory this was another
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bank_Hapoalim **
See when and how they were founded.
The family were obviously supporting the Occupiers. Their wealth was being produced by a factory in NW10 with a mainly West Indian workforce. They worked damned hard but were so cheerful. Lived in dreadful housing.
**Now owned by investors including the Arison crowd. Costa cruises etc. Supporting settlement building it says. Of course.