I honestly do not care if David Cameron stuck it in a pig, though it is a stark reminder the ruling class are very different to us. But what is disgusting is the attack on the vulnerable, poor and disadvantaged which he is leading now.
I lifted this picture from twitter – don’t know who originated, but brilliant!
What about the non domicile status of Ashcroft?
Even more ludicrous the notion that he was expecting a plum job in the gubiment too.
Our dear leaders don’t do keep it in the family sort of nepotism jobs for donation kind of reciprocity.
So, I’ll tell you about the Flitch of Bacon, a tradition dating back to the 14th century. Apparently a flitch always hung over the fireplace of Wychnor manor and if any couple who had been married for a year and a day, without quarrelling, the flitch was theirs. Apparently nobody ever won it. Perhaps those who tried to claim it faced a formidable body of testers, like the Supreme Court in the Julian Assange extradition to Sweden case.
Cameron tried his luck.
He took Lord Astor’s daughter by the hair begging and screaming up the long drive to the manor making her promise to say they had never bickered over anything during the first 366 days of their married life. They went in together smiling, as they were at Diana’s funeral. The prospects looked good for them.
The pig was turning on the spit.
The Grand Inquisitor asked them to look at the pig. What could they do?
“This flitch of bacon is yours if you confess that you have not had a quarrel in the last year and a day.”
“That’s right. We have not.”
Cameron digs Samantha in the ribs.
“That’s right. We have not,” she repeats.
The Grand Inquisitor proceeds.
“Do you recognise the pig?”
“How can you recognise a pig from its flitch?” He gave a nervous laugh.
They taught him at Eton always to answer a tough question with another question. Toss the ball back in their court. The tossers!
Inquisitors have to get to the truth. The flitch was removed and replaced with a spit skewering a pig’s head. “Now do you recognise the pig?”
Cameron, of course did recognise the deceased animal.
“And your question means?”
“Do you recognise the pig?”
Heat from the fire beneath had made the pigs head start to sweat.
“Have you been whoring or boring and grabbing this pig by the ears by any chance? Answer please.”
“No, we have been faithful to one another even until death us do part, as in our wedding ceremony vows. Even when Lord Astor’s prize colt Bellerephon failed to deliver, we just shrugged our shoulders and said, that’s life.”
Fat was sweating out of the boar’s head.
“Doesn’t look very pretty” said the Grand Inquisitor.
“No, but this is quite early for Samantha.”
“The boar, David, the boar.”
“That neither. Anyway can we take the flitch now and go?”
The fire crackled from dripping fat.
Samantha turned up her nose: “Arghh, what’s that dripping from its mouth?”
“Don’t be starting with that again!”
“Tell me those student stories are not true.”
“Of, course not my love. My pig had blue eyes just like yours?”
Samantha kneed him in the groin.
“Give them the flitch! He’s our future prime minister! Well done, Sir!”
“The only natural conversation you can have is on bikes with Nevermind.”
[etc…]
Jeez, all that’s a bit harsh isn’t it? Did Ba’al screw your misses or something?
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Anyway, what I just can’t shake off right now, is the idea that every time
Cameron is introduced, mentioned, read about, shown on TV – people are going
to think (even in the back of their minds): That guy fucked a pig.
Could a price even be put on that sort of negative publicity?
AlcyOne
“Thank you mods for clearing up. ”
But you haven’t deleted AlcyOne’s racist jewish joke about Muslims killing.
If you don’t remove it in the 2 places he posted it, I’m never coming back to this blog again.
Cameron and his handlers do much, much worse things than attempting to get a bj from a dead pig. It’s like saying that Hitler was a cheat at ludo.
David Cameron – proof positive that you can’t make a silk purse out of a sow’s ear.
I guess this thread was intended to facilitate a discussion about the more serious iniquities – and they are many – of Mr. Cameron. But some of us take these as a given, and others don’t want to highlight them. The completely trivial incident* in the privileged past of a posh twat, however, is almost addictively funny. Lighten up, I say.
http://eveningharold.com/2015/09/21/deliverance-remake-to-be-filmed-on-the-thames/#more-212739
Behind all this are Lord Ashcroft, who is apparently a much more democratic figure than Cameron, and the Mail. I am wondering what has suddenly spooked them about Cameron, and it isn’t bestial necrophilia, for sure. The timing suggests that the SNP’s wipeout of everything else in Scotland focussed some predictive thinking among more thoughtful Tories concerning a backlash taking that extremely mobile centre ground (which we all want to inhabit for the sake of the votes, don’t we?) in a leftward direction. When Corbyn was elected, the shit hit the fan. It could happen in the rest of the UK.
And Cameron is definitely not the person to be heading any attempt to win that ground back. When he says the Tories are the champions of working people, even without the pain he has inflicted on the low-income employed to date, even George Osborne must, on the sly, fall about laughing. Cameron has to go. I doubt if revenge has much to do with it. Ashcroft is a businessman, and probably quite objective: Cameron is simply a subsidiary whose profits are slipping.
*also immature even for an undergrad, pathetically unimaginative and disrespectful to dead pigs.
So, now the initial #piggate hilarity has died down, can I try for a summary and you guys can tell me if I’ve got it about right?
1. Lord Ashcroft stuck with the party in terms of both time and money through its wilderness years in the noughties.
2. When they finally won back power in 2010, he felt this dual investment earned him an influential job within the administration.
3. As bad luck would have it, 2010 was the very time that public opinion was nearing pitchfork levels with regards to non doms.
4. Cameron calculated that public opinion had the capacity to do more damage than a pissed off Ashcroft at that time, so didn’t offer Ashcroft a job.
5. 2015 arrives and Ashcroft demonstrates that Cameron may have made the wrong calculation in 2010 with a reputational attack on the PM.
6. If it hadn’t been for the headlines around non doms in 2010, Ashcroft would have got his job. We would have been none the wiser about how power and influence is bought in the UK (regardless of the party in power) because this is just how it works, day in day out, month in month out, administration in administration out.
Is that about it?
Sixer
You could be right but if Cameron hadn’t whelshed on an unspoken deal then we wouldn’t know about that little piggy. How many more little piggies are the Daily mail going to line up?
5. 2015 arrives and Ashcroft demonstrates that Cameron may have made the wrong calculation in 2010 with a reputational attack on the PM.
Why did he wait five years? He could have murdered Cameron, and ensured his choice of successor had his feet under the table, any time up to early 2014. This looks more like something he’s had in his safe against something nasty happening. And it happened.
Certainly Cameron’s been making emollient noises about non-doms ever since 2010, but there’s not much he can do about them as there is zero transparency about beneficial ownership in most tax havens, and company law even in the UK permits less-scrupulous accountants to salt their clients’ assets away at will. More – the City of London actively encourages this, and our ‘economy’ would crash (as it actually makes very little of tangible value) if the brakes were applied to the City. More still – Osborne’s doing a very good job – from the fat cats’ point of view – and there is no threat to the current comfortable network of influence and corruption. The threat comes from the populace.
Has Cameron resigned yet?
Ba’al at 9.23am: “Why did he wait five years? He could have murdered Cameron, and ensured his choice of successor had his feet under the table, any time up to early 2014. This looks more like something he’s had in his safe against something nasty happening. And it happened.”
I just assumed that he waited for the election? Whether the Tories had lost or won wouldn’t have mattered. Attacking Cameron while in charge of a coalition government would have been too complicated?
What nasty thing do you think could have happened?
“Has Cameron resigned yet?”
Not yet. But he’s pig-sick of all this unwelcome attention when there is a big pool of unemployed scroungers and beggars littering the streets outside the golden mile.
Not yet. But this isn’t intended to make him do so immediately. It’s intended to undermine him among the party members, which, failing catching him in bed with an attractive sow, on camera, is about as far as it is possible to go. The Tory conference is imminent; then we’ll see how successful Ashcroft’s been.
What nasty thing do you think could have happened?
Democracy in Scotland. See my previous post @ 9.03.
Much more important than his student abuse are the nuclear bombs that went missing from South Africa. I would be happy to change the subject to that.
See also:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overton_window
for the reason the centre ground, on which conventional politicians rely for votes, is not fixed, but mobile.
An idea similar to the Overton window was expressed by Anthony Trollope in 1868 in his novel Phineas Finn:
“Many who before regarded legislation on the subject as chimerical, will now fancy that it is only dangerous, or perhaps not more than difficult. And so in time it will come to be looked on as among the things possible, then among the things probable;–and so at last it will be ranged in the list of those few measures which the country requires as being absolutely needed. That is the way in which public opinion is made.”
As Thatcher, Blair and Cameron have recognised.
“The Tory conference is imminent; then we’ll see how successful Ashcroft’s been.”
There’s going to be a huge protest in Machester. Might even get there myself just to see the posters: little piggies trotting off to market, eating roast beef while other little piggies had none, a poke in a pig, the inventiveness of the English has no limits.
Habbbakuk (combat cant)[is that a spelling mistake?]
21 Sep, 2015 – 7:09 pm
“Could you perhaps remind us what Animal Farm was about and which country and political system were being described?”
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Have you read it Habbabkuk or “1984”? If so, you did not understand – they were about the corrupting influence of power. The country or the political system was not the issue.
There’s going to be a huge protest in Manchester too as well as Machester.
“What nasty thing do you think could have happened?”
That, with 2015 being a comfortable distance away in space-time terms, Cameron could have given Ashcroft a plum job upon reelection (sweetest victory and all that) earlier this year?
So Ashcroft gave himethe chance of a second bite at the apple, while the missile was ready to fire. Further in 2015 while the non-dom issue kicked around, it really wasn’t such a hot election issue.
Meantime, Ashcroft has worked steadily in building his public profile and thereby his credibility.
Ba’al Zevul 9:32 am “Democracy in Scotland”.
Gotcha. Presumably the lead time for writing and publishing a book would mean St Corbyn has little to do with it?
Anybody who devotes the kind of time and money that Ashcroft did over years and years, has likely high emotional intelligence.
Alcyone 9:56 am
That’s more along the lines I’ve been thinking. Never underestimate personal ambition of rich men.
But Ba’al has given pause for thought, right?
The idea of the overton window is very useful and I am pretty sure that many successful; politicians are sensitive to public opinion but overton windows are rather different for different individuals and politicians must become adept at judging the optimal position i.e. are sensitive to the VARIATION in the public opinion.
That is why parties are obsessed with all the various data gathering techniques and qualitative research methods such as focus groups, surveys, vox pops and opinion sampling systems-so that they can shape their visible output (not policies-these remain 9/10’s below the surface of the sightline of most people). I suspect that the Tories have been much more successful in accessing the various techniques as these are well aligned with corporate branding methods and promotion and it seems likely that Tory money can more readily obtain this expertise.
However there is certainly a process of shaping peoples understanding and shifting the overton window to a position more favourable to particular parties and again one must think that people such as Tony Blair are particularly sensitive and capable in that respect.
Sixer, I have what in common parlance may be called ADD. I haven’t quite understood what Baal is saying, nor am I going to bother.
Could you please kindly put it to me in simple terms?
Thanks!
““There are three monks, who had been sitting in deep meditation for many years amidst the Himalayan snow peaks, never speaking a word, in utter silence. One morning, one of the three suddenly speaks up and says, ‘What a lovely morning this is.’ And he falls silent again. Five years of silence pass, when all at once the second monk speaks up and says, ‘But we could do with some rain.’ There is silence among them for another five years, when suddenly the third monk says, ‘Why can’t you two stop chattering?””
http://www.katinkahesselink.net/kr/jokes7.html
PS Robert check out this website too, but the one i linked y’day is the authentic go-to place. Take care
My guess is that in the days to come the Daily Mail will lead with;
Cameron To Ask Parliament To Bomb The Syrians Who Haven’t Already Fled
Alcyone 10:13 am
Ba’al is saying that the SNP sweep of Scotland (and latterly, the Corbyn victory) has meant the mythical centre ground in politics has shifted to the left. If this is correct, then the Tory spiel of being the party of the working family will be put under unsustainable scrutiny. Cameron is the face of that brand. If that brand is about to be discredited due to an unexpected breakout of democracy, Cameron must go.
Right, Ba’al?
The comments on this thread are the perfect example of people who don’t like the PM, posh people or Tories lining up to jump up and down about an uncorroborated story because it aligns with their own views. The same people then cry to high heavens when their own side is attacked or smeared. During the next round of smears against Jeremy Corbyn all the crowing posters here will come flying out of the gates to denounce the bad media and rich men pulling the strings, which would be the Daily Mail and Lord Ashcroft in this case. Yet seemingly when they go after the Tories that is perfectly acceptable. There really is no difference between the two although no doubt somebody will be willing to try and define the difference.