In the last decade, now 7/7 has dropped out of this statistic, only one person has been killed in the UK by an Islamic terrorist attack. Let me repeat that. In the last decade, one person has been killed in the UK by an Islamic terrorist attack. That unfortunate death was Lee Rigby.
Rigby’s tragic murder illustrated how easy it is for terrorists to commit an outrage. Two very disorganised Nigerian nutters murdered him with knives. Unfortunately, if a couple of nutters decide to go at someone on the street, they have a high chance of success.
Which is why you would have to be a lunatic actually to believe MI5’s repeated claims during the last decade that there are thousands of dedicated terrorists out there, fanatical determined and organised, but in a decade of constant effort they have succeeded in killing nobody else. There were, MI5 claim, six actual terrorist plots this year but fortunately MI5 saved all of us.
If you believe MI5’s stories, there are two possibilities. The first is that we have security services of a quite incredible efficiency, able to foil random terrorism, generally regarded as near impossible. The second is that we have thousands of dedicated terrorists of such incredible ineptitude that they can’t manage to kill anybody, even when they could choose any random undefended target in the entire UK and any method from knives to poison to hit and run to shooting to bombs, and don’t mind losing their own lives in the attempt. We have rubbish terrorists.
There is of course a third possibility – that these thousands of dedicated terrorists and these scores of foiled plots in the last decade were inventions, or at least the grossest exaggerations, by the security services. A number of fantasists have indeed been convicted and jailed. But the only, single, potential attacker in recent years who actually possessed a viable bomb was a British army soldier with a hatred of Muslims. And naturally he was not counted as nor convicted as a terrorist. Terrorists are Muslims.
The famous “liquid bomb plot”, in which it eventually transpired, unreported by mainstream media, that there were in fact no bombs and no plane tickets and the suspicious chemical found in baby bottles was Milton sterilising solution for baby bottles, is perhaps the best example.
But of course, lots of people are convicted of terrorism. Indeed law after law has stretched the definition of terrorism so far that I am almost certainly guilty of it just by publishing this blogpost. Meanwhile the Government is concentrating on bullying universities and students to ban speakers who say exactly the kind of thing I am writing here, speakers who protest against the detention and harassment of Muslims, and the continued policy of bombing Muslim countries and killing civilians.
Because there is almost no Islamic terrorism in the UK. It is virtually non-existent. It is not the true reason the corporate state wants ever more surveillance power, ever more restriction on freedom of speech and even, in universities, freedom of thought. Do not be fooled. Fight back.
Republicofscotland, 8:23 pm, I try to remain open-minded, but not so open-minded that my brain falls out.
The propaganda system has been challenged by the rise of Internet news. We know that the establishment has struck back by seeding shills and trolls onto websites – this is well documented. But the Internet is also awash with disinformation, much of which, I strongly suspect, is seeded by agents for the establishment in order to discredit serious researchers, all tarred with the same brush and dismissed as “conspiracy theorists”.
So be careful; require credible evidence and be patient, or you could be serving your enemies.
“Murdoch’s Sun is vastly more popular than Private Eye, or The Lancet for that matter. How does that make them stack up in terms of truthfulness, in your opinion? “One Direction” (which is some sort of pop-band, I understand) is considerably more popular than any classical orchestra around today. Does that mean “One Direction” is more musically accomplished?”
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It doesn’t make one anymore truthful than the other, however it’s a matter of opinion, Spivey has considerable traffic and a higher rating than Craig, they keep coming back for something Glenn, and if you read the comments and the forums, it’s clearly not to deride the man, as some would like.
So I put it to you why do they keep coming back in considerable numbers?
When credible evidence points towards the state plotting against and killing the taxpayers for no other reason than PR exercises and you are happy with that situation your head is as fucked as those running the state
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/10192271/The-betrayal-of-Dr-David-Kelly-10-years-on.html
Or reject the evidence and say its made up, not true, not what yo say it is, meaningless.
Republicofscotland, 8:23 pm: such Neocon attacks are not madness; they are evil, but they are rational, in that they make much money for vested interests. BAE Systems’ profits were more than doubled by the devastation of Iraq. Israel has sold Murdoch oil extraction rights in occupied Syria.
Such things are documented on this site, among others. Personally I prefer to publicise such well documented corruption, rather than diluting the credibility of this site with things that might prove to be fabrication.
Clarke, well at least you’re trying to remain openminded.
yep I can’t deny Iraq was invaded and some people made money out of it and I suppose everything else is made up until Murdoch says it isn’t.
Or do your own research, work it out. If you don’t want to or are too thick then you are free to call people who can join dots conspiracy theorists.
“Such things are documented on this site, among others. Personally I prefer to publicise such well documented corruption, rather than diluting the credibility of this site with things that might prove to be fabrication.”
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Oops, and there goes the openmindedness, remind me again Clarke what is the title of this particular thread?
Credibility you say, so it’s fine to discuss MI5’s bollocks the title if you’ve forgotten, but it’s not credible to dicuss,anyone elses take on other sites regarding MI5 bollocks…how convenient.
You go on to speak of possible fabrications, the context Clarke is possible, possibly not, you’re preference is for well documented corruption, not so well documented corruption, in my opinion is the otherside of the coin.
Republicofscotland, we only have these little 1.5 kilo brains with which to attempt to make sense of the vast world of billions of people and millions of organisations by which we’re surrounded. Some of our questions will never be answered with satisfactory evidence – that’s just the way things are.
But we have people like Craig, and his contacts who sometimes use him as a conduit to leak vitally important information. Those little pieces of truthful illumination are gems in the slurry-pit which is the news media.
If Rigby’s murder was really staged, maybe it will eventually be exposed. So far, I’ve found nothing that convinces me so, so I just leave it be. But Spivey’s standards of evidence are far too sloppy – he muddies the waters that Craig, Snowden, Binney and other important whistleblowers have to swim in.
Ta ta for now – off down the pub.
Every ascertion I have made on this site I can back up with hard proof. Some people require a higher opinion before they accept it as evidence.
The problem is the government wont allow Dr Kelly’s death to be investigated by the proper people, they wont allow de Menezes assassins actual jobs to be revealed, they won’t allow Savile’s protectors to be identified, they wont allow the truth about IRA infiltration to be examined.
Until the government owns up to the truth on these matters there are certain self contented pricks who hold their self contented beliefs that until the government owns up it might be fabrication.
Thats why they get away with it because of self contented cunts.
“Terror: More than 3,000 homegrown ISIS jihadists are in the UK and willing to launch an attack, it has been claimed”
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/more-3000-isis-jihadists-britain-6470558
There should be several attacks tonight then. We could perhaps see 10 attacks a day, every day for the whole coming year…
Or not…
3000 suspects, 4000 Mi5 staff
The Ira model is more than half the senior membership were Mi5
It seems that Mi5 is getting better but that leaves at least 1000 idle bastards at Thames House just fucking about.
Republicofscotland ever heard of distributed wisdom?
An instance is a net sack filled with balloons and offered to public as to guess the numbers of the balloons in the net? The larger the sample of the guesstimates, the more accurate the number that edges closer to the actual numbers in the sack.
Fact is, reality is a akin to reflections of the world in the broken fragments of a mirror. Each fragmented piece reflecting a partial image of the world incident onto it. However if you look long enough and hard enough you can begin to see the whole of the reflections. That is the crox of the intelligence (no not the pseudo “intelligence” as in SIS). In fact in the heady days of Rummy he was setting up an “intelligence” brokerage site that would let anyone to go there and denote whatever information they had and any predictions they liked to make.!!!!!
Often those seeking hard and fast evidence are in fact talking nonsense, and further they are trying to suppress the issues IMHO. Fact is how can anyone ever prove beyond any shadow of a doubt the case for 7/7? Or for that matter prove Enron gate/pentagon gate the pentagon comptroller’s missing trillions of dollars that was passed as 9/11? Or prove JFK, and RFK killings?
Even in the “real world” the so called finger print evidence is not fool proof and DNA evidence is in the same league too! Hence the case for absolute court admissible evidence itself is suspect and the decisions/judgments are based on the “balance of probabilities”. This leaves the case for the internet sleuths to be somewhat held to a higher standard, than the other cases.
Fact is we all read the fat bastard aaronovitch et al, and their pack of absolute bunkum that was fed to the people as the gospel investigative journalistic truth. Yet the internet users are told they are the conspiracy loons!!!
Therefore for anyone to start asking for evidence on a an Internet forum/board/blog it smacks of stalling and subterfuge. Furthermore, given the amounts of spam on this board and elsewhere, and the rate of “success” of the sapmmers who are well aware that no one reads their brainfarts. Hence these resort to changing monikers, proxy addresses, and profile management software, to get the others to read their repetitive rendition of the narrative that is set by the oligarch owned media.
These are desperate measures of bunch of crooks that have ran out of ideas, despite their bankruptcy of ideas, bankruptcy of reason, they allocate and throw a huge amounts of resources into managing the mids of the great unwashed, to keep the same dog and pony show on the road as before.
PeterBeswick, I get the impression that you think I disagree with you. I don’t. I think it is likely that Dr Kelly was murdered. I don’t assume that the British state murdered him (plenty of other groups may have wanted him dead or silenced), but if he was killed, then the British state certainly helped to cover it up.
However, I don’t go on about it because the British state have control of the evidence, so there is little that can be proven. There are many important issues for which solid evidence is available, but about which the majority of people have entirely the wrong impression due to the spin imparted by the news mass media. For instance, what proportion of corporate media viewers know that Iran was within its rights to enrich uranium?
Always had faith in you Tony_Opmoc and you came up trumps with the link that exposes Abu Omar Shishani, an ethnic Chechen, as a prominent IS commander.
Lavrov lifted the veil a little bit to let the Americans know that the Russian military intelligence has not only been monitoring the operations of the American military aircraft in Iraq but have scientifically analyzed the US aircraft’s flight plans and so on. In sum, Russians seem to have intelligence dope to substantiate something that the Iranians have been all along maintaining, namely, that the American aircraft are regularly air-dropping supplies for the IS.
And fuck you GCHQ for jamming the short-wave link – anyways the Syria subterfuge was outed 2 years ago by Bosnia John – yes you know the name!!
Peter Beswick, 9:19 pm:
I agree entirely. Those are all verifiable facts, but little known or examined among the majority.
Regarding Spivey publishing the ‘contact details’ of the Rigbys:
He published the (public) address of a company called Team Lee United Forces Ltd, which has since changed its name to The Lee Rigby Foundation Ltd
Team Lee United Forces Ltd ran an unregistered charity of the same name. In the guise of the charity the Rigby family attended football matches.
The company address is the same as the Rigby family home address and Lyn Rigby is one of the directors of the company.
Mark Golding
18 Sep, 2015 – 9:58 pm
Cheers Mark,
Tony
Info, I’m not going to take your word for any of that.
A limitless budget? So many vacancies. So many new horizons.
https://recruitmentservices.applicationtrack.com/vx/lang-en-GB/mobile-0/appcentre-a18/candidate/jobboard/vacancy/1
We will never know. Such a long chain.
LOL
‘We do not disclose details of our expenditure for security reasons.
A pound coin. (Image. WTF.)
Our budget is paid from the Single Intelligence Account (SIA). This also funds the work of the Secret Intelligence Service and GCHQ.
The SIA is overseen by the National Security Adviser. The holder of this post also coordinates the UK’s National Intelligence Machinery and advises the Prime Minister and the National Security Council on security matters. He supports the Cabinet Secretary in his role as the SIA’s Accounting Officer.
See Funding and resource allocation for more information.’
https://www.mi5.gov.uk/home/about-us/faqs-about-mi5/how-much-does-mi5-spend.html
Well here’s info for the LRF Ltd for what it’s worth.
https://companycheck.co.uk/company/08973699/THE-LEE-RIGBY-FOUNDATION-LIMITED/directors-secretaries
No info, accounts or documents. 1 year old.
Hello Mary, good wishes to you. I saw your message to me some days ago but didn’t reply because it had been up twenty-four hours before I saw it. I’m still in Scotland, and only on-line occasionally. I hope you’re doing OK.
Clark
I’m not sure how you can agree or not until you know what I believe. At this point I would normally say I don’t care what you think so fuck off but I’m trying to improve myself.
I don’t know if Kelly was murdered, I suspect he was, I have evidence but no proof and never likely to if I’m right I think the CIA probably wacked him but hababollox may think it was the man in the moon wot did it. Its supposition.
What I can proove beyond reasonable doubt is Thames Valley Police, Hutton and others including family members covered up the details of the death. And that for me was worse than murder (if that’s what happened). The cover up has done immeasurably more harm than the murder (if it was)
The police didn’t cover up the death because they are lunatics they did it because they believed it was their duty, told it was their duty.
It is Mi5 that I despise more than twat police officers, their duty is to fuck this country for the benefit of the ruling class. What kind of twat would go to the office every day and help kill or destroy lives of the people who pay their wages, and enjoy it?
The reason Mi5 get away with it is people are complacent, if it doesn’t directly affect/effect them or their loves ones they really don’t give two fucks but they fail to see this is why the sewer rats perpetuate.
But the truth is emerging. I can spot the shills, trolls, lunatics and thickos on the blogs but its the self contents that do the most harm. As the truth grows the self contents get more side lined, thats the nature of cyber entropy. We are winning, we will win and there is nothing our powerful leaders can do about it.
Yes fine thanks Clark. Wondered if you had fallen down the rabbit hole! Hope you are OK too?
btw this thread is very slow to return to cf recent others. Quite creepy.
It took ages to appear when I was putting up that link to MI5 vacancies et al.
Abby Martin, formally of RT, is now doing programmes for TeleSUR, a Latin American terrestrial and satellite television network with headquarters in Caracas, Venezuela. TeleSUR is funded by the governments of Argentina, Bolivia, Cuba, Ecuador, Nicaragua, Uruguay and Venezuela… I’m sure you get the picture.
Abby Martin’s first project with TeleSur is called ‘The Empire Files’, a weekly, documentary-style investigative report focusing on power, injustice and wars being waged on human rights and civil liberties in the United States and across the globe. The first programme aired earlier this month and explored the US Empire and its rise to world hegemony. The second programme went out on 11th September and is called ‘9/11 and the Belligerent Empire’. It examines the two major wars launched under the ‘Global War on Terror’, and it’s cracking stuff…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R3Ht02fXvL0
‘The Empire Files’ TeleSUR page can be found here:
http://multimedia.telesurtv.net/web/telesur/#!en/lista/programa/the-empire-files
Does anyone know the incorporation date?
My Transatlantic Friend
Not objecting to your confirmation that the former PM of the State of Israel was in London on 7/7, just wondering why you keep insisting on the fact so often.
As in:
“I will continue to say, when asked, that I was answering the question about whether Netanyahu was in London on 7/7 because every time that I say that is another time that readers are reminded that he was there then.”
Republicofscotland
““1/. there was never a murder and the whole scene was faked (it never happened)”
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Got it in one you Tarquin tosser.
http://tapnewswire.com/2015/07/chris-spivey-and-lee-rigby/”
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Thank you for confirming that you are of the Chris Spivey persuasion.
PeterBeswick, 10:32 pm, I agree with the section of yours I quoted; I try to be specific. I call Spvey a faker based upon what I’ve read on his site.
For years I delved quite deeply into some of the controversies found in the comments section on this site. Examining point after counter-point, many based upon dubious evidence, I got very confused and very distressed. Eventually I decided to reserve judgement about many issues, and to concentrate on that which can be well established. And the incontrovertible facts proved to be sufficient – the various establishments and their vested interests routinely mislead the public, very effectively.
Peace to you.
Mary, it may be that this thread is being hammered by something pretending to be web-crawling indexing software – a little bird told me that a previous thread about the secret services got that treatment.