It is a strange world where the passage I most agreed with came from the Iranian President:
Iraq, Syria and Yemen are all examples of crises being stoked through terror, extremism, violence, bloodshed, invasion and the indifference of the international community. They are similar examples displaying cases of displacement, homelessness and fleeing from the horrors of war and bombardment. Their problems have persisted because the international community has failed them and because of incorrect actions of newcomers to the region and naive trans-regional actors. Consequently, the wave of destruction has gone beyond the Arab world and reached the gates of Europe and the United States and has resulted in the destruction of the relics of civility and precious works of ancient civilizations and, more broadly, has resulted in the death of humanity.
We must not forget that the roots of today’s wars, destruction and terror, can be found in the occupation, invasion and military intervention of yesterday. If we did not have the US military invasion of Afghanistan and Iraq, and the US’s unwarranted support for the inhumane actions of the Zionist regime against the oppressed nation of Palestine, today the terrorists would not have an excuse for the justification of their crimes.
Or course, Iran has been in the hot seat for a quoter century since the Anglo-Americans have been attacking it since their attempted ouster of the mullahs during the Gulf Wars.
I’m glad US-Iranian relations are thawing.
But a lot of the refugees that are coming to Europe now are fleeing Iran.
Agree.
This is Michael Hudson on the Obama contribution.
‘In his Orwellian September 28, 2015 speech to the United Nations, President Obama said that if democracy had existed in Syria, there never would have been a revolt against Assad. By that, he meant ISIL. Where there is democracy, he said, there is no violence of revolution.
This was his threat to promote revolution, coups and violence against any country not deemed a “democracy.” In making this hardly veiled threat, he redefined the word in the international political vocabulary. Democracy is the CIA’s overthrow of Mossedegh in Iran to install the Shah.
Democracy is the overthrow of Afghanistan’s secular government by the Taliban against Russia. Democracy is the Ukrainian coup behind Yats and Poroshenko.Democracy is Pinochet. It is “our bastards,” as Lyndon Johnson said with regard to the Latin American dictators installed by U.S. foreign policy.’
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http://www.counterpunch.org/2015/09/29/orwell-at-the-un-obama-re-defines-democracy-as-a-country-that-supports-u-s-policy/
I see our unnamed representative comes right at the end.
http://gadebate.un.org/
Kagame led the proceedings. YCNMIU.
MBC: it would be interesting to learn why the refugees are fleeing Iran. Perhaps you could give us a source for this astounding claim.
Craig might find himself in agreement with Putin’s comment on western policy in Syria, Libya, Yemen and Iraq. :
“Instead of the triumph of democracy and progress, we got violence, poverty and social disaster — and nobody cares a bit about human rights, including the right to life,..
“I cannot help asking those who have forced that situation: Do you realize what you have done?”
“I’m glad US-Iranian relations are thawing.”
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MBC, you think? Obama’s deal with Iran isn’t shared by everyone at the Senate,or the House of Representatives, nor big business. A prosperous Iran with oil and gas, may well be seen as a threat, to other economies allied to the West, in the region.
Oh and there’s this as well.
The United States did not invite Iran to Tuesday’s UN summit on combating Islamic State and other violent extremist groups because it still designates Iran itself as a state sponsor of terrorism.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/sep/28/un-summit-isis-iran-not-invited-state-sponsor-terrorism-label
Remember the USA’s allies in the region, Israel and Saudi Arabia want Iran crushed, especially Saudi Arabia who want to enforce Wahhabism in the whole of the region, crushing the Shiite Iranian regime in the process.
And don;t forget the earthquakes in 1990 and 2003 to keep the mullahs on side during the Gulf War ousters of Saddam which worked so well when Turkey’s Ecevit didn’t keep on side during the 3-month bombing of Yugoslavia.
Peripherally:
http://www.mintpressnews.com/saudi-arabia-plans-to-crucify-teen-as-it-ascends-to-un-human-rights-council-chair/209913/
This appears to be true. ‘We’ love these bastards….
It was interesting to listen to US president Barack Obama speak at the UN. It was especially thought provoking to hear him condemn the Assad regime as “A tyrant who dropped barrel bombs on children.”
I’ve no doubt that Assad, who inherited his dictatorship through his father is a tyrant and murderer of his own people, and that he should be removed.
What really struck me was the hypocrisy of it all when possibly half the nations at the UN GA, agreed to the invasion of Iraq, which led to the deaths of hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians, many of them children.
Obama went on to speak of lasting stability, again it struck me that one of his closest allies Israel, can’t or more to the point won’t adopt such thinking, with regards to the Palestinian people, whose land was bloodly usurped.
A thought crossed my mind…I hear you say must be a first, that the UN GA, is really just a international theatre, where crypto thoughts are expressed only in dark corners of the marble hall, whilst well rehearsed lines are voiced at the podium, to baying sycophants.
“This appears to be true. ‘We’ love these bastards….”
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Ball, I’ve been pushing his story over the last 3 threads, no takers I’m afraid.
Well said Iran. And to those who say that Iran is still supporting Hezbollah, I say, the UKUSIS are supporting IS inadvertently via their paymasters, we trained Al Nusra and Al Quaeda terrorists to fight Saddam, that we can’t cope with IS, which imho is a big fat lie, we just go through the motions.
We like our arms sales to unstable regimes, to anyone really, its the current motor of the economy, so who funds IS is still not talked about, they sure as hell can’t fund themselves.
Where are the boffins of CAAT speaking out against those who are paying IS soldiers a wage, who are spending their wealth on arms galore in this country? regardless of the hundred of thousands of refugees these arms cause.
The UN is as rotten as NATO, sadly its become a knocking shop were the richest arm twisters win and get their way.
RoS, remember Nixon’s even favoring democracy as long as he still won, as he even did in 1972 after seeing Wallace do so, who he urged to do, only having The Plumbers assassinate him after it proved most troublesome at the polls.
“If we did not have…. the US’s unwarranted support for the inhumane actions of the Zionist regime against the oppressed nation of Palestine, today the terrorists would not have an excuse for the justification of their crimes.”
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Does Craig – or any other rational commenter – really believe that the Iranian govt gives a stuff about the Palestinians?
The Iranian govt – as the other govts in the region and further afield for that matter – are engaged in regional power-politicking. The Palestinians are just used as a stick with which to beat “the other side” from time to time.
Re Republicofscotland; I quote “Saudi Arabia who want to enforce Wahhabism in the whole of the region, crushing the Shiite Iranian regime in the process” and in one sentence, when you pick it apart, you quite simply summarise all that is at the route cause of the problems in the Middle East.
It is a slow burning civil war between Sunni and Shia. If Israel didn’t exist there would still be the problems, with Sunni and Shia at each other’s throats.
To just illustrate the nature of this 1000 year old conflict;
One side believe that the Prophet rode to the farthest mosque, at night, on the back of a winged horse with a human face; and they are prepared to kill for this belief.
The other side believe that the Prophet rode to the farthest mosque, at night, on the back of a winged horse with a human face; and they are prepared to kill for this belief.
You simply cannot deal at a rational level with this sort of belief system and it is better to leave well alone, in my opinion.
Corbyn has received three standing ovations so far, and he hasn’t even finished his speech yet!
Republicofscotland
Just to get your position clear.
You have, over many posts in the past, accused the US and Israel of being state sponsors of terrorism.
Your latest post (above) appears to express scepticism about the US claim that Iran is a state sponsor of terrorism.
Are the above observations correct: do you believe that the US and Israel sponsor state terrorism while Iran does not?
“You simply cannot deal at a rational level with this sort of belief system and it is better to leave well alone, in my opinion.”
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Giving Goose, we in the West should be so wise only if, you forget the Reformation.
As for your analysis of Islam, I was under the impression, this is the reason for the Sunni, Shia split.
Ali ibn Abi Talib (/ˈɑːli, ɑːˈliː/;[6] Arabic: علي بن أبي طالب, translit.: ʿAlī ibn Abī Ṭālib, Arabic pronunciation: [ʕæliː ibn ʔæbiː t̪ˤæːlib]; 13th Rajab, 22 or 16 BH – 21st Ramaḍān, 40 AH; September 20, 601 or July 17, 607 or 600– January 27, 661) was the cousin and son-in-law of the Islamic prophet Muhammad, ruling over the Islamic Caliphate from 656 to 661.
A son of Abu Talib, Ali was also the first young male who accepted Islam. Sunnis consider Ali the fourth and final of the Rashidun (rightly guided Caliphs), while Shias regard Ali as the first Imam after Muhammad, and consider him and his descendants the rightful successors to Muhammad.
All of whom are members of the Ahl al-Bayt, the household of Muhammad. This disagreement split the Ummah (Muslim community) into the Sunni and Shia branches.
Now Corbyn has finished speaking, LBC radio are doing a wonderful demolition job. Amongst other things, Leo Usherwood, the LBC political bod, has described how younger members of the audience were dabbing their eyes and “crying in grief” at the death of the Labour Party.
They were crying in joy, you silly bastard.
This is for both Robert Crawford and the Labour Party:
Did ye get healed…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bg94cXAqPcs
There would be no problems in the mid east!
The fact that zionistan and its sponsors need a continual war to justify the existence of the apartheid zionistan home to supremacist zionist bigots, is the root cause of the problems.Indented/quoted
As for the differences between the various branches of Islam, you best go back and relook at your colouring in books, as you “expert knowledge” on record proves.
The assumption that the Muslims will be fighting each other if there were no zionistan is a variance of the old little gem that has been kicking around ever since dinosaurs; “goy kills goy and the world blames the Jews”.
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MBC broadcasting, is one of the “most reliable” pontification outlets silly!!
What more proof do you want? Eh!
One hour of |Corbyn and not a single enpowerment of voters, he, like all other party politicians wants to keep us subjected, in electoral slavery, just like the other main political parties.
Why is Labour scared of a fair proportional voting system for voters?
Sorry, RoS. Have only been reading sporadically. However, Saudi’s beginning to look interesting, and not in a particularly good way, because there is dissent among the princes, their oil revenues have fallen, and they’re in debt.
Mint Press seems to have a down on the cuddly bunnies of Riyadh, anyway –
http://www.mintpressnews.com/saudi-arabia-beheads-nearly-twice-as-many-people-as-isis-so-far-this-year/208894/
Self-explanatory link.
“Your latest post (above) appears to express scepticism about the US claim that Iran is a state sponsor of terrorism.
Are the above observations correct: do you believe that the US and Israel sponsor state terrorism while Iran does not?”
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Habb, I’m not quite sure how you come to that conclusion, yes of course Iran sponsors terrorism, Iran is culpable when it comes to the killing of its own people, whose dangling corpses from cranes can been seen quite easily on social media.
Im not defending Irans regime, (which BTW the US and UK helped install) mores the pity, lets get that clear, however Iran isn’t swanning around the Middle East razing countries to the ground under the guise of democracy.
Then employing international companies usually US, to rebuild infrastructure, at a ludicrous cost through loans that the razed country can never repay. The country then becomes a proxy base for the US and its allies, to help cover the debt of rebuilding, which the allies caused in the first place…talk about capitalism at work.
“Sorry, RoS. Have only been reading sporadically.”
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No need for apologies Baal, at least you picked up on the case, the only one I think.
RoS, Baal,
Jeremy Corbyn made a very good and strong point of it in his speech.
I am not a newspaper. I don’t claim to give a full news coverage of everything that’s happening. That appalling story is receiving, rightly, loads of coverage in both mainstream and internet.
Craig – I certainly wasn’t reproaching you, and I don’t think RoS was, either. He was hoping it would be picked up by other commentators. It is, indeed, all over the web.
Craig, I can’t imagine why you are surprised that the Iranian President should have spoken humane common sense. When has Iran ever hurt anyone, or committed aggression against other nations?
China, Russia and Iran all spoke the truth – humbly and calmly, as they usually do and as befits the venue of the UNGA.
America, as usual, sounded off boastfully and mingled threats with absurd pretensions. The assembly sat in amazed silence, but it should really have erupted in sarcastic laughter.
I hear that our own esteemed Leader was absent on this important occasion, perhaps worried that he would make a pig’s ear of it.
Republicofscotland I put to you, if capital punishment is the law of the land, which do you prefer;
1- a clinical out of sight, surreptitious murder/death sentence carried out?
2- an open and public, in your face murder/death sentence carried out?
Won’t you agree that case 2 in fact serves the cause of “deterrence” better, and further it drives home to each and every one of the public witnessing the gruesome consequences of the capital punishment, the need/or lack thereof the said punishment?
So far as the “state sponsor of terrorism” goes, US has sponsored zionistan for decades now, the same bunch of terrorists who started with blowing up the King David hotel, and murdering British Ministers, then graduated to mass murdering Palestinians. While their sponsors have gone on to reenact the Mongolian invasions in Iraq.
The semantics of ye olde sticks and stones “state sponsor of terrorism” no longer match the realities on the ground. However the same tired “sound bites” are used time and again, because as you know the part of the venal supremacist mindset is; everyone in the world is a dimwit other than the “master race”!
My ‘Agree’ above was to agree with Craig’s post.
MBC
29 Sep, 2015 – 1:47 pm
“But a lot of the refugees that are coming to Europe now are fleeing Iran.”
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Can you back up that statement MBC with hard factual data?
Re. Sunni/Shi’a, the differences are, to one not of the faith, apparently trivial. But they are sufficient to form a thin crack in Islam. Shi’a can and do live alongside Sunnis perfectly amicably (eg in Turkey) – probably without even mentioning the stream of Islam they follow. But it’s often in the interest of third parties – or even the rulers of one of the two – to shove a wedge into the crack. And then tribal considerations trump religious ones. Need I mention one such third party? I’m sure I need not.