I have enormous respect for the work of the Institute for War and Peace Reporting. They work in conflict regions to teach the basic principles of journalism to local journalists, including citizen journalists. They really do get right in to the most difficult situations, and have access to knowledge on the ground that western media organisations often lack. I worked closely with their office in Tashkent, Uzbekistan, where Michael Andersen did a great job.
The fact that IWPR accesses direct first hand knowledge of what really happens during conflicts, almost certainly holds the key to the death of Jackie Sutton. She was killed for something she knew. The official Turkish story that she killed herself in the airport in despair at missing a connecting flight, is risible.
I cannot claim to any idea at present what it was she knew that caused her to be killed. It follows from that I do not know who killed her. But the speed of the Turkish authorities to promote a suicide narrative must in itself raise suspicions.
Suhayl
Cameron is one of the bad guys. that’s why Steve Bell puts him in a condom. We all hate the politicians whose qualities we know about. It must be difficult for them when they know that if they leave their sordid little nests where they are hated the most, through the hands of really brave journalists like Sutton the hatred will follow them wherever they run to.
When I fly, I always note how airports are little police states. They operate like a luxury prison: cameras everywhere, plain-clothes plod roaming the terminals, and their own well-tooled police force – with state armies on call, should things go wrong. The traveller is on camera at all times, unless they are in the bathroom – and I wonder if even that area is under surveillance. But the shops are good, and there is a fine array of Vodka’s, nicely chilled. Which is all to say that it’s probably rather simple for spooks to do their masters bidding, with lots of looking askance where required. Nobody tops themselves after missing a flight.
Interesting comment about Historians in military intelligence. I could well believe it. The History books I’ve read tend to skim over the agenda’s of the security services, which is a shame, leaves a rather large gap in our understanding of events, one should think.
Hugh Trevor Groper. Historian. Spook. Oxford Recruiter.
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“”None of us believes she took her own life,” said Vanessa Farr, who worked with Sutton in the Women’s International League for Peace and Freedom. “But all of us know she was attracting negative attention for her absolute refusal, before U.N. officials, politicians and warlords alike, to stay silent in the face of what she was witnessing women suffer.”
In an email to The Associated Press, Farr said Sutton had recently helped win a $1 million grant for the Institute of War and Peace Reporting to counter the violent misogyny of the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria.”
She’d been working with Kurds.
So from that, looks like ISIS supporters whacked her.
Turkey. Perhaps France.
But no matter. It’ll have been approved by their supporters more generally, Britain and US.
Here’s an interview with Jacqueline Sutton.
Wednesday 17 September 2014
Talks about her career, with an insight into her political views.
http://mpegmedia.abc.net.au/local/brisbane/conversations/201409/r1330813_18505936.mp3
http://www.abc.net.au/local/stories/2014/09/17/4089501.htm
“nor is one likely to meet with a fatal accident while simply hanging around in an airport…”
Oh good grief, did someone really write that? I trust it was fully unintentional. 🙁
It would be disrespectful to comment on the Rugby, [which Craig mentioned on 1 October]in this thread so I have used a previous thread:
https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2015/10/doh-wrong-again/#comment-557988
Any mention of Global Research gets the sea lion clapping. Why is that?
Here is a report on GR from 2001 by an Uzbek journalist on numbers of US military casualties being understated.
Afghanistan: US Casualties Spiral
The real figures of US casualties are far higher than the Pentagon’s official totals
Andrei Sukhozhilov, Uzbek journalist
Institute foe War and Peace Reporting (IWPR), 7 December 2001
Centre for Research on Globalisation (CRG), globalresearch.ca,
13 December 2001
Scores of US soldiers wounded in Afghanistan have been arriving at the Khanabad air base in southern Uzbekistan, the number are far more than official reports suggest.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/SUK112A.html
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Would others agree that the sea lion is sounding feeble these days? Maybe approaching the end of his life span which is 20-30 years according to National Geographic. Sad isn’t it.
O/T Zionist supporting Stephen Harper has been beaten by Liberal Justin Trudeau (Pierre’s son) in the Canadian election. Trudeau is said to be a moderate and was a teacher.
He has said that Canadian aircraft will no longer be used to bomb in the Middle East.
Change there too.
Just the same as their actions in Iraq, the US are now destroying the infrastructure in Syria or what remains of it.
October 19, 2015
Why Is The U.S. Silently Bombing Syria’s Electricity Network?http://www.moonofalabama.org/2015/10/why-is-the-us-silently-bombing-syrias-electricity-network.html
Check out who’s on the board of this NGO . . Anne Applebaum . . . Yeah . . . THAT Anne Applebaum of the Neo-Con persuasion. I’d suggest that instead of gushing over them a little more scepticism might be in order
Its the same guys who did in Serena Shim, a Press TV reporter. Its dem baklavas wearing balaclavas, thats who. And all along the devils wife wears an Islamist scarf whilst the husband and son were proved stashing euros under an ottoman bed, in that leaked telecon ! God denial is not only a zio specialty, deviltoglus turkic killers out of the sultans slav concubines are not far behind. They will do it again.
A cynical take on the Trudeau victory and politicians in general. Kim Petersen is Canadian and writes from the perspective of a defender of the First Nation, the dispossessed indigenous people.
Canada’s Election Result: A Silver Lining?
by Kim Petersen / October 19th, 2015
http://dissidentvoice.org/2015/10/canadas-election-result-a-silver-lining/
Ba’al
I love Turkey.
So do I, unashamedly. Good people, government not so much, huge problems.
I’m no Turkophobe at all. But anti-Kurdish propaganda is about as convincing to me as Anglo=Saxons complaining about Celts. The Assyrians were around long before Ghengis Khan arrived from China. Lessons for Scots here.
Anti-Kurdish propaganda is to me exactly as convincing as anti-Turkish propaganda. And weren’t the Kurds supposed to be Hittites by descent? Certainly not Assyrian. OK, who knows? The first reference to Kurdistan as such, btw, is by the Seljuks, who were also Turkic, but preceded Genghiz in Anatolia.
The Kurds are an Iranian people, as is their language. My colleague thinks they are descendants of the Medes (i.e. NW Iran); others deny it.
Genghis was not Turkic at all, if that was what your sentence meant, but a Mongol, which is a completely different language group.
Another ‘Non’-Gov-Org being eviscerated:
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/oct/20/russia-activist-flee-nuclear-tv-witch-hunt
the Kurds are an Iranian people, as is their language. My colleague thinks they are descendants of the Medes (i.e. NW Iran); others deny it.
Their language is of the Western Iranian group, as any fule kno who kno* how to Google. That’s Indo-European. Assyrian is Northeastern Neo-Aramaic, a Semitic language. Hittite is reckoned to be Indo-European. Hence not impossible that the Kurds are descendents of the people inhabiting Central Anatolia, where they are still present, rather than the Assyrians. However this is probaly not the place for a learned (lol) discussion of the affinity of Hittite to Western Iranian.
Genghis was not Turkic at all, if that was what your sentence meant, but a Mongol, which is a completely different language group.
Jolly good. OTOH Turkic and Mongol languages overlapped in the intervening lands, and it is inconceivable that Genghiz’ armies were exclusively Mongol-speaking. Many Turks are proud of their connection with Ghengiz, incidentally and Cengiz is a popular name in Turkey. As is Cingiz in Azerbaijan. See also:
http://www.todayszaman.com/interviews_mongolian-ambassador-panidjunai-khaliun-we-are-the-descendants-of-genghis-khan_125238.html
However, that was not really my point. Stop showing off.
*I am pretty sure this allusion will escape you
Sitrep from Robert Fisk.
‘October 20, 2015
The Return of the Syrian Army
While the world still rages on at Russia’s presumption in the Middle East – to intervene in Syria instead of letting the Americans decide which dictators should survive or die – we’ve all been forgetting the one institution in that Arab land which continues to function and protect the state which Moscow has decided to preserve: the Syrian army. While Russia has been propagandising its missiles, the Syrian military, undermanned and undergunned a few months ago, has suddenly moved on to the offensive. Earlier this year, we may remember, this same army was being written off, the Bashar al-Assad government said to be reaching its final days.
[..]
But the Russians are now telling the Turks – and by logical extension, this information must go to the Americans – their flight coordinates. Even more remarkable, they have set up a hotline communications system between their base on the Syrian Mediterranean coast and the Israeli ministry of defence in Tel Aviv. More incredible still is that the Israelis – who have a habit of targeting Syrian and Iranian personnel near the Golan Heights – have suddenly disappeared from the skies. In other words, the Russians are involved in a big operation, not a one-month wonder that is going on in Syria. And it is likely to continue for quite a time.’
http://www.counterpunch.org/2015/10/20/the-return-of-the-syrian-army/
http://www.counterpunch.org/2015/10/20/the-return-of-the-syrian-army/
Jacky Sutton’ın cebinde 2 bin 300 euro olduğu, çantasında Marx ve Lenin ile ilgili kitaplarla birlikte Tevrat ve Kuran da bulunduğu öğrenildi.
http://mobil.star.com.tr/mobildetay.asp?Newsid=1063887
Very roughly: ‘it’s been learned that Jackie Sutton had 2,300 Euro in her pocket, while in her bag were found books by Marx and Lenin, also, notably, the Torah and Q’ran’.
No comment on the truth of any of this. Just passing it on.
Ba’al
I don’t think the Kurds are ethnically or linguistically descended from Assyrians. We won’t go into who is descended from whom just now please. I am an Englishman of Norman ancestry, crossed with a Polish Jew, crossed with a French Huguenot, crossed with Welsh. None of these have any connection with my chosen identity as a Kurdish-style Muslim.
However it’s a possibility that the unitarian beliefs of the children of Israel in captivity in Nineveh struck chords with Assyrian semitic beliefs and sowed the seeds of conversion among the sun-worshippers to exchange their polytheism for the Unitarian.
It takes a village to bring up a child. Aramaic was the language of Jesus pbuh , not local to Jerusalem.
Assyrian culture is present in modern Kurdistan, Assyrians fought as Christians in China up the Silk Road and as Muslims under our prophet SAW. Culturally, is modern China the same as the China of Mao tse Tung?
I’ve not seen watched the interview with Jackie Sutton, but I can assure you that she would have been very welcome for defending women’s rights in Iraq. The disgusting practices of IS militants towards Christian Yazidi and Muslim women have no precedent in the history of mainstream Islam. There again the Saudi concept of takfirism of other Muslims combined with absolute dictatorship, copied by Muslim Brotherhood/ Machiavellian political Islam from the Saudis, has no precedent.
These are the qualities of Nimrood and Firaun ( Pharaoh ), mentioned in the Qur’an.
lol @ Giyane (in a good way) Despite the interjection, I don’t think anyone knows who the Kurds are descended from. Their language apparently has more words in common with Swedish than English…go figure.
It’s my impression that Assyrians and Kurds in ‘Kurdistan’ are not the best of neighbours today, and haven’t been for some centuries, but let that pass. I don’t doubt that the Israelites stole their creation myths from Babylon, whatever else was exchanged. TH Huxley is an amusing exponent of this view, btw – recommended.
The disgusting practices of IS militants towards Christian Yazidi and Muslim women have no precedent in the history of mainstream Islam. There again the Saudi concept of takfirism of other Muslims combined with absolute dictatorship, copied by Muslim Brotherhood/ Machiavellian political Islam from the Saudis, has no precedent.
Hasn’t it? Perhaps not in Islam, but it’s pretty familiar from the Old Testament.
Ba’al
2300 Euro sounds a very modest sum for a working traveller.
I used to keep a vellum bound pocket-sized Virgil’s Georgics and more recently a Qur’an in my luggage. The secular Turkish thought police don’t seem to have considered that we in the West value our right to choose our own ideological reading material.
The neo-cons John MacCain, Blair, Alistair Campbell, General Allen, Erdogan, Netanyahu, Cavid Cameron, have drawn their evil totalitarian philosophy from the satanic rituals of the zionist Cabbala, which is also mentioned in the Qur’an.
Baal
Hittite is Indo-European, but not Iranian, as any fool knows (I can’t be bothered with allusions). Indo-European is a rather large group. We speak an Indo-European language, but, as I guess you’ve succeeded in figuring out, we are not particularly related to the Kurds.
Who said Genghis Khan’s army was all Mongol? Is the British army all Anglo-Saxon (or Celtic)? You are just falling into the error of thinking that just because they come from “over there”, they’re all the same really. Turks and Mongols are distinct peoples, speaking languages from different groups.
Star Medya Grubuna, the source for my link @ 1206, is 50% owned by SOCAR, the Azeri state oil company. Maybe a factor, maybe not.
Laguerre, I really don’t care. I am aware that the origin of the Kurds is disputed, unknown, whatever (see my last post) Possibly they are really Celts. Or Hurrians. Or Mitanni. Whatever. My original point was that they probably weren’t Assyrian, as I had misunderstood the intention of Giyane’s post.
Nobody said Gengiz’ army was all Mongol. Not sure what Giyane was implying, but I took him to mean that the Assyrians had been around before Anatolia was Turkified (they were, and the Hittites before them) by Gengiz’ invasion (it wasn’t: Turkic migration had colonised the plateau long before him and the Seljuks consolidated it.)The invasion was conducted at least in part by Turkic speakers.
OK? OK with your anonymous ‘colleague’? Fine. Anything on Jackie Sutton? A better translation of the Star Gazete piece would be welcome, and constructive.
2300 Euro sounds a very modest sum for a working traveller.
It would cover a single from Atatürk to Arbil, several times, though. Round trip, even, if you except Qatar Airways. Atlas Global fly daily for £212 return. So, what of the story that she couldn’t afford the flight? (Turkish Air decline to supply a price without booking you)
O?T
Dislike when posters do so, but the stunning victory of Justin Trudeau is worth it any time, especially in these most depressing days.
And the media gave him little chance of even winning when he won a majority, 184 seats to Harper’s 99.
Too bad that my mentor in getting a Ph.D., John B. Stewart, the biographer of David Hume, didn’t live to see it. He died last June. Had been a close associate to Justin’s father Pierre . Very unusual for a real academic.
Now back to poor Jackie Sutton.
Ba’al Zevul; “The first reference to Kurdistan as such, btw, is by the Seljuks”
Your (Turko-centric) history is as suspect as your politics; you’ll find that Herodotus mentions the “Carduchoi”, as does Xenophon who relates how the Ten Thousand “spent seven days in traversing the country of the Carduchians”.
Anyhow as a patriotic ex-military grunt, I would of thought you would take rather a dim view of a country that betrays fellow grunts to the enemy;
http://dailycaller.com/2015/08/25/report-turkey-the-new-anti-isis-ally-betrayed-us-backed-syrian-rebels/
Alas we are very unlikely to discover why Jackie Sutton was murdered, unless Craig’s contacts inform him, and he informs us, which could endanger him.
I think though we can be sure she was murdered, as friends and colleagues strongly claim she wouldn’t take her own life.
Adding suspicion to her death, the timely malfuction of the airport cameras.
So what did Jackie Sutton find out?
It must have been something substantial in order to have her removed.
Was Jackie Sutton gathering information for a outside source? If not the why murder her?
There are too many unanswered questions, we can surmise but we can’t be sure.
Since we are now going back in history, why does NATO keep talking and doing things in the name of Casia?
Right Now it is carrying out an annual exercise with Romania, called Casian Viper 2015, hoping to suck in Turkey.
Is this part of a plot to knock out Putin?
It’s Dacasia, and Dacasian Viper. 2015.
Still too early in the morning.