A Turkish jet shoots down a Russian jet. Parliament votes to send RAF jets into the mix. What could possibly go wrong?
Unfortunately, things do go wrong. Cameron’s 70,000 “moderate rebels” prove either non-existent or crazed pro-Saudi Wahabbists. Mostly they are the very jihadists Russia is attacking, but we are supporting. In the fog of war, another Russian plane is downed. A Russian pilot downs a British jet. With politicians on all sides afloat on the sea of militarist rhetoric, within 24 hours it has spiralled hopelessly out of control.
A nuclear button is pushed. Then another, then another. Life in the UK is wiped out – Stratchlyde first, of course, but eventually everyone. Alone in their Nuclear Biological Chemical bunker, the politicans and senior establishment figures are the last to die. With his final reserve of strength, Cameron crawls over to Corbyn. He does not notice Corbyn is already dead, and with his expiring breath Cameron wheezes out:
“I told you Trident was useful.”
Regarding the spark (the shooting down of the Russian jet) that will lead to nuclear armageddon Turkey had warned Russia to stop attacking ISIS, days beforehand.
This implies that Turkey is sponsoring state terrorism, in Syria in order to topple Assad.
It also alludes to, Russia making inroads against the anti-Assad insurgents. I also find it very unlikely that Erdogan would shoot down a Russian fighter jet without first consulting their self appointed world police buddies NATO.
Looks like Putin is having Turkey for Thanksgiving! Internet pranksters turn their eye on Russia’s diplomatic crisis with brilliant memes
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3334787/Looks-like-Putin-having-Turkey-Thanksgiving-Internet-pranksters-turn-eye-Russia-s-diplomatic-crisis-brilliant-memes.html#ixzz3sc5GQMOz
Erdogan is one of those politicians who have started to work for Israel and ended up asking themselves the Tony Blair question. How long do I have to keep up this rictus grin?
Legality of bombing: the Guardian’s Rafael Behr versus European Journal of International Law
Posted by The Medialens Editors on November 26, 2015, 3:20 pm
Guardian’s Rafael Behr:
‘The words “all necessary measures” in last week’s UN security council resolution appear to cover the prime minister, although sceptics will continue to argue that military action within the borders of another sovereign state should be more explicitly mandated. This is why Cameron invokes also the right of self-defence – the view that Isis threatens the UK and can reasonably therefore be targeted in its bases, which are not in any case under the functional control of a recognised state.
‘This argument will persuade many MPs who are halfway ready to back UK strikes in Syria and be rejected by those who are already determined to vote against. In terms of the general balance of opinion in parliament, the security council wording – and unanimity in the vote – was quite a game-changer.’
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/nov/26/syria-airstrike-case-david-cameron-seven-points-analysis
European Journal of International Law:
‘However, though the resolution, and the unanimity with which it was adopted, might confer a degree of legitimacy on actions against IS, the resolution does not actually authorize any actions against IS, nor does it provide a legal basis for the use of force against IS either in Syria or in Iraq.’
‘The US-led coalition will no doubt claim that resolution 2249 implicitly validates or confirms the legality of their current actions. In the UK, the Prime Minister is already using the resolution to build support for a decision to join the military action in Syria and it would not be a surprise to see the resolution used in response to concerns expressed about the legality of UK action in Syria. However, the resolution is also worded in such a way that it equally allows Russia, Syria and others to insist that the use of force in Syria without consent of the Syrian government is unlawful.’
http://www.ejiltalk.org/the-constructive-ambiguity-of-the-security-councils-isis-resolution/
http://members5.boardhost.com/medialens/thread/1448551224.html
RE: the Dr Strangeloves: both the Pentagon and Capitol Hill are infested with Christian fundamentalists, all eagerly awaiting the Rapture.
http://archives.politicususa.com/2011/05/14/fundamentalists-infiltrate.html
It should be noted that American Protestent fundamentalism was the first to surface in modern times. Early in the 20th century the Protestents began reading religious scripture in a literal way, as though it were scientific fact. Before then, people read scripture in a more allegorical, mystical way. Islamic fundamentalism didn’t come along until later in the 20th century.
More on the Dr Strangeloves, and in particular the psychology of it all…
http://www.counterpunch.org/2015/05/15/winning-a-nuclear-war/
Herbie
Craig is spot on. Cameron wants to bomb Assad’s forces and Russia wants to bomb Cameron’s joke-had=is. The idea of cameron starting the dreadful civil war in Syria and then offerring post conflict assistance is a sick joke. Syrians would be well to say to him, you move out of the UK and we’ll give you the ruins of this one.
We’re approaching critical mass on the formula for the device. It’s a shame we can’t test first to see what will happen if NATO decides this is the time to detonate the Doomsday Machine on a Dr. Strangelove military expedition.
All we need is another General Grove to match the fantasy of General Jack Ripper.
Dunno, Giyane.
Can’t see Cameron bombing anything Russia don’t want him bombing.
Erdogan is being hung out to dry, by even the Americans it seems.
Looks like the major powers, US, France and Russia, have agreed upon a plan and Erdogan will be blamed for ISIS.
Anyway. You can’t have Iran and Saudi and Turkey competing in the region.
Tail wagging the dog and all that.
I’d imagine Cameron’s interest in getting involved is to secure a seat at the eventual negotiations.
Could be the biggest thing since Sykes/Picot.
“Ve must not allow a Volksgemeinschaft gap!”
The piss-ant British flying circus is irrelevant. Cameron can zoom his jets around. That’s just prosthetic silicone balls for the eunuch.
US doctrine fixates on escalation at home and abroad. Their simplistic game-theoretic doctrine reduces conflict to playground tit-for-tat. Russia will simply continue to eradicate Sheik Brennan’s armed irregulars, knowing that NATO cannot stop them.
http://turcopolier.typepad.com/sic_semper_tyrannis/2015/11/keep-calm-and-kill-the-bastards-ttg.html
Thanks for the laugh Fredi, and thanks for that snippet on the legality ,Mary, not surprising that lawyers can speak for both side’s of the argument, their life’s engine.
Slightly OT but relevant to the City of London who has been found out again. Since HSBC laundered billions in drugs money not much has changed, in effect since Thatcher muttered the word ‘financial regulation, filling bankers pants, nothing has happened because she was persuaded to let them regulate themselves via a quasi independent organisation, fat chance.
Nothing has happened or will happen. Blair chickened out and so will Cameron. read the experts verdict.
http://rowans-blog.blogspot.co.uk/
Giyane
“Erdogan is one of those politicians who have started to work for Israel and ended up asking themselves the Tony Blair question. How long do I have to keep up this rictus grin?”
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1/. In a question of fact, none of the pictures I’ve seen of Erdogan (and I’m sure you haven’t seen more pictures of hum than others have) show him grinning. In fact, he looks rather dour. So don’t be so silly, you’re sounding like Mary.
2/. Could you expand a little (or even a lot!) on your opinion that Erdigan has “started to work for Israel”?
Thanks.
Hoping you get your gaskets fixed, Habby, as Erdogan has already showed that he has Nato in his pocket. as he has announced on TV that he will shoot down another alleged intrusion by any Russian
plane.
THe Turkish President has blown all his gaskets too.
Habby
If you can’t be bothered formulating a specific question, I certainly can’t be bothered trying to work out precisely where the gaps in your knowledge are.
Herbie
Cluck! cluck! cluck’
Keep layin’ – or should that be “lyin'” ?
I wonder why the Moderator is deleting my posts which ask Herbie to set out in some more detail the views expressed in his posts at 16h42 and 16h47?
Mary @ 2.51. That story of the Israeli colonel with ISIS is almost certainly fake. If he really existed, he would have been produced for the cameras by now, or his corpse.
“What a lousy earth!
He wondered how many people were destitute that same night even in his own prosperous country, how many homes were shanties, how many husbands were drunk and wives socked, and how many children were bullied, abused, or abandoned. How many families hungered for food they could not afford to buy? How many hearts were broken? How many suicides would take place that same night, how many people would go insane? How many cockroaches and landlords would triumph? How many winners were losers, successes failures, and rich men poor men? How many wise guys were stupid? How many happy endings were unhappy endings? How many honest men were liars, brave men cowards, loyal men traitors, how many sainted men were corrupt, how many people in positions of trust had sold their souls to bodyguards, how many had never had souls? How many straight-and-narrow paths were crooked paths? How many best families were worst families and how many good people were bad people? When you added them all up and then subtracted, you might be left with only the children, and perhaps with Albert Einstein and an old violinist or sculptor somewhere.”
Joseph Heller Catch 22
“I wonder why the Moderator is deleting my posts which ask Herbie to set out in some more detail the views expressed in his posts at 16h42 and 16h47”
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Because like you said to Andy on the other thread your a lying c*unt and you know it.
“I wonder why the Moderator is deleting my posts which ask Herbie to set out in some more detail the views expressed in his posts at 16h42 and 16h47”
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Because like you said to Andy on the other thread your a lying c*nt and you know it.
The politics of the underground bunker would be dreadful! First there would be the people who think they’re elite but are turned away at the door. A few luvvies in showbiz will find out they’re just thespians after all; so much for the knighthood. Then there’s the minor elites who’ll lose their place to some bigwig’s manservant; that must really grate, losing their place to an oik. Then there’ll be some who are told they can go but their kids can’t – and they’ll go. Then after years of plots and coups like in some medieval court, they’ll start killing each other over who chooses the menu, who cooks it and who washes up.
They can’t outlive radiation so they’ll just die last. That is not the same as surviving.
” 20.29 miles in five minutes ”
Which works out at 243 mph.
A little bit more than stall speed I’d have thought.
RobG
26 Nov, 2015 – 4:10 pm
“It should be noted that American Protestent fundamentalism was the first to surface in modern times. Early in the 20th century the Protestents began reading religious scripture in a literal way, as though it were scientific fact. Before then, people read scripture in a more allegorical, mystical way. Islamic fundamentalism didn’t come along until later in the 20th century.”
Excellent point. (Entirely absent from modern ‘debate’, of course).
K Crosby
26 Nov, 2015 – 4:52 pm
“Volksgemeinschaft”
Does that mean they’re going to throw all those dirty polluting Volkswagens down a mine shaft?
Donald Sutherland 42-second video: Hunger Games is allegory to warn young people: ‘blind faith in US leaders gets you dead’
The Hunger Games film series is popular because its message resonates: psychopathic .01% “leaders” staging children to kill each other with Orwellian rhetoric that such child deaths “bring peace” to society must be resisted. The richest sector uses 90% of the population as work animals they keep in poverty, under surveillance, and always under armed guards. Almost all of the richest 10% in the capital have no idea of the brutal conditions enforced upon everyone outside the capital.
Donald Sutherland plays the .01% “leader,” President Snow, who praises the annual child sacrifices as necessary. In this 42-second video, Sutherland is clear about the message of The Hunger Games:
“It is the ‘powers that be’ in the United States of America” that President Snow’s unlawful Orwellian oligarchy represents.
“War is for profit. It’s not to ‘save the world for democracy,’… no, bullshit. It’s for the profit.”
“The young people who will see this film must recognize… that blind faith in their leaders will get you dead.”
http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2015/11/donald-sutherland-42-second-video-hunger-games-allegory-warn-young-people-blind-faith-us-leaders-gets-dead.html
O/T
@Mary
Suppose you’ve seen this: http://tinyurl.com/nt9dhkm
Lots of sabre rattling from the parody account Bella Caledonia http://bellacaledonia.org.uk/2015/11/26/what-is-to-be-done-about-syria/
Yes Pan and commented on it. It is outrageous. I hope the PSC are challenging the CoOp Bank. I said that pressure must have been applied by Zionist supporters within HMG. Some way back in the threads now. The CoOp bank’s CEO is ex HSBC North America. They had had a lot of trouble from the US regulators and were fined heavily.
I see he intervened in the IndyRef
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niall_Booker