This is the official Turkish radar track of the Russian aircraft they shot down, in red. It briefly transited a tiny neck of Turkish land – less than two miles across where the Russian jet passed – twice. I calculate that each “incursion” over Turkish territory would have lasted about 10 seconds, assuming the plane was flying slowly at 600mph. That Turkey shot down the plane for this is madness, and absolutely indefensible. It is fairly obvious from the track that the plane was operating against Turkish sponsored Turkmen rebels inside Syria, and that is why the Turks shot it down.
But the inescapable conclusion is that the true madness would be for the UK to get involved in Syria and make a complex and volatile situation still worse, and risk being dragged into wider conflict.
Republicofscotland
“I do however owe Habb an apology I do apologise, old boy.”
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With great respect, RoSy, I suggest you take your apology and insert it in that part of your fellow fool “Lysias” on whuch the sun never shines.
I’m sure he’d enjoy it.
Ouch. Itchy Bitchy.
Obama made a horrible statement about the shootdown: Obama: Turkey has the right to defend its airspace.
I can’t escape the suspicion that this was all cooked up as NATO’s (i.e., the U.S.’s) response to all the success Russia has been having with its Syrian intervention. Would Turkey have dared to do this on its own with a U.S.-supplied F-16 and a U.S.-supplied air-to-air missile?
Looks like I’ve struck a nerve once more. And looks like RoS has as well.
Clearly, Obama’s marching orders are that Assad must go and ISIS is a sideshow.
Turks Hit Russian Fighter – Escalation?
Ron Paul Liberty Report
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9BR4aQ5UFs0
Ben “Bull-dyle” Outraged, etc
“And just like Hab, she is immune to insults.”
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At last – you got something right! 🙂
“With great respect, RoSy, I suggest you take your apology and insert it in that part of your fellow fool “Lysias” on whuch the sun never shines.
I’m sure he’d enjoy it.”
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Ohhhhhhh! Poor old Habb is testy tonight, he’s come out swinging his handbag, I’ll be kind and put it down to eating to much falafel, which has given him verbal indigestion.
Lysias
“I am a Catholic.”
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You should be more precise and say you are a Roman Catholic; a man of your learning, accomplishments, achievements and wide reading on Kindle will surely be aware that there are other sorts of Catholics.
Rosy
“Ohhhhhhh! Poor old Habb is testy tonight”
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On the contrary, I’m in excellent spirits, having amused myself greatly reading Anon’s various comments and savouring the way he’s torn some of the Eminences and Old Trolls to shreds.
(I also enjoyed Lambkin’s various squeals of pain.)
If you go to Turkey, be sure to take along combat gear in case you get caught up in Kurdish efforts to overthrow Erdogan’s regime, and your own fuel for when it is cold as Russia will have cut off its gas supplies.
“I can’t escape the suspicion that..etc, etc”
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I have in my mind’s eye the pleasing vision of our Transatlantic Friend being chased down a Washington street by a snarling pack of suspicions……
But he’s right about the not escaping – he will not escape my rigorous scrutiny, followed by admonishment and correction whenever appropriate! 🙂
I personally doubt this will turn into a mass conflagration, it just seems so absurd. I just assume that there is some dick-waving going on, and Putin will soon join in the waving, too: you can’t go shooting down Russian planes for no reason. Imagine if it was a US plane? We’d probably have bombed somewhere by now. The wrong place, as usual …
I’m wondering how this affects our upcoming vote on Syria. I’d like to think our MP’s would take a pause, have a long hard look at the complexity of the situation, and consider at length whether such an engagement is in the national interest.
Ha Ha. Just joking. It’ll be chocks away at Hitler amidst self-congratulation, any day now. What a sad bunch of clowns our parliamentarians are. Where do we find these un-serious, greedy people?
Russians denying their air craft violated Turkish airspace, accuses Turkey of a violation of Syrian airspace.
Lt Gen Sergei Rudskoy made declaration on Turkish AirForce attack on Russian Su-24. Eng. Subs.
Read more at http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=510_1448395202#VETeCBaAxrF52S57.99
Patrick Henningsen Discusses Turkey Shooting Down Russian Jet on RT International
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lKR7k-nf7u8
“Just using your friend Lysias’s terminology. His post at 20h38 refers.
Not your night, is it. Keep up!”
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Well why stop you’ve been plagiarising Lysais for months now, isn’t it about time you produced your own work.
That’s if you can.
Habbabkuk (scourge of the Original Trolls)
24 Nov, 2015 – 11:10 am
“Not good, but by God the Turkish armed forces are certainly on the ball.”
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Sadly you’re not.
This is directly connected to what’s going on in Syria:
The Most Brazen Corporate Power Grab in American History
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wtJUVEPaF44
Habbabkuk (scourge of the Original Trolls)
24 Nov, 2015 – 11:33 am
“I’m sure he [Erdogan] and the Turks will manage…
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Erdogan is not a Turk Habbabkuk?
Russia should live/operate by the rules set in the region, no ?
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/11/analysis-turkey-downing-russian-jet-151124163107795.html
Apparently, it is not the first time they are violating the border
Turkey downing a Russian jet proves what a mess Syria is – Britain should think twice before intervening
Simple solutions to big problems more often than not don’t exist, as Iraq our recent foreign adventures prove
The downing of the Russian fighter jet by the Turkish air force brought back many memories for me. Twenty five years ago today, I was packing my bags in readiness to deploy to the Middle East for the first Gulf war (Operation Desert Storm) against Iraq. It beggars belief that the current generation of RAF aircrew are still doing the same today and that our political leaders have not learnt the lesson of recent conflicts.
I was shot down on the first day of that war.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/syria/12014637/Turkey-downing-a-Russian-jet-proves-what-a-mess-Syria-is-Britain-should-think-twice-before-intervening.html
How very accurate!!!!! A puff piece for turkey written by a:
Justin Bronk is a Research Analyst in Military Sciences at the Royal United Services Institute.
6 out of the last 15 comments are from the trolls Habbabkuk and the Funny (Peculiar) Bunny.
Habakkuk’s Complaints. Also funny.
How long, Lord, must I call for help,
but you do not listen?
Or cry out to you, “Violence!”
but you do not save?
Why do you make me look at injustice?
Why do you tolerate wrongdoing?
Destruction and violence are before me;
there is strife, and conflict abounds.
Therefore the law is paralyzed,
and justice never prevails.
The wicked hem in the righteous,
so that justice is perverted.
/..
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Habakkuk+1
“Russia should live/operate by the rules set in the region, no ?”
Do you mean NATO rules? As stated earlier Turkey frequently violates Greek airspace with impunity. But your link spills the candy in the lobby.
” it reportedly violated Turkish airspace is a dangerous escalation in the context of Russia’s continuing confrontation with NATO in Eastern Europe and Syria.”
Russia’s confrontation with NATO? Shall they be shut-ins afraid to venture out while NATO troops and ordnance are positioned for quick response for their allies? JFK didn’t like the Soviet threat from Cuba. Was Kennedy confrontational over that regional incursion? Yep. Rightly so.
SHAH
24 Nov, 2015 – 1:17 pm
“NOTHING WORRIES ME AS TO WHATS GOING ON IN THE WORLD BECAUSE THE FINAL OUT COME IS IN THE HANDS OF GOD”
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Sorry to disappoint SHAH but God does not exist He is a fairy tale a figment of your imagination. You have been brainwashed by your parents and teachers.
Set yourself free SHAH. Cleanse this nonsense from your mind; shout out loud – GOD DOES NOT EXIST!
You will feel better for it.
No messing. Good for them.
Russia deploys missile cruiser off Syria coast, ordered to destroy any target posing danger
24 Nov, 2015
Moscow plans to suspend military cooperation with Ankara after the downing of a Russian bomber by Turkish air forces, Russian General Staff representatives said on Tuesday. Further measures to beef up Russian air base security in Syria will also be taken.
Three steps as announced by top brass:
1.Each and every strike groups’ operation is to be carried out under the guise of fighter jets
2.Air defense to be boosted with the deployment of Moskva guided missile cruiser off Latakia coast with an aim to destroy any target that may pose danger
3.Military contacts with Turkey to be suspended
Follow LIVE UPDATES on Russian warplane shot down at Syria-Turkey border
Sergey Rudskoy, a top official with the Russian General Staff, condemned the attack on the Russian bomber in Syrian airspace by a Turkish fighter jet as “a severe violation of international law”. He stressed that the Su-24 was downed over the Syrian territory. The crash site was four kilometers away from the Turkish border, he said.
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https://www.rt.com/news/323329-russia-suspend-military-turkey/
This is a quote: “Putin said Russia respects the regional interests of other nations, but warned the atrocity committed by Turkey would not go without an answer.”
And I am certain Putin is not going to rush to punish Turkey. The only problem is that will Turkey’s NATO partners rush in where angels fear to tread? If they do, we will sadly be witnessing WWIII.
There were never any further reports after 21st October on Jacky Sutton’s death in Istanbul airport.
https://www.rt.com/uk/319279-jacky-sutton-death-suspicious/
Post mortem?
UK Inquest?
‘A coroner in England and Wales will normally
hold an inquest if a person died a violent or
unnatural death overseas and the body is
returned to the coroner’s district.’
https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/193657/Death_Overseas_web_13.pdf
Pilger’s take on things…
http://johnpilger.com/articles/from-pol-pot-to-isis-the-blood-never-dried
@Anon1
“In other words, little shits like you.”
You charmer!
“And you’re a real hardcore anti-Semite as well aren’t you?”
No, I am not an anti-Semite of any description.
You really don’t like people criticising that shitty little Nazi state and the money that supports it, do you? You’re rabid, mate. Say something unrabid and honest to prove me wrong.