UPDATE
Ms Stella Creasy is offended by this article. At 8.14am this morning 5 December she tweeted:
“This is just an offensive and wrong article and I hope Mr Murray retracts.”
Nothing in it is wrong to the best of my knowledge, but if anything is, I should be most happy to retract it. Nobody has indicated anything is factually wrong so far. I have changed the title of the post to be literal rather than sarcastic, because that was the only thing about it that was “wrong”.
But offensive? Really? She must be a very shrinking violet indeed.
Given that the whole point of this article is to suggest that Ms Creasy believes she should be above criticism and above democratic accountability, for her to describe the criticisms in this article as “offensive” purely proves my point. It is not offensive. It is legitimate criticism of somebody who lives off my taxes.
For me, the inevitable conclusion is that a woman whose Wikipedia page states “Creasy has aristocratic family connections on her mother’s side, including with the Howards, Earls of Carlisle (through whom she is related to Polly Toynbee), the Cayzer family and the present (9th) Viscount Gort who is her fourth cousin” believes she is not answerable to the hoi polloi.
If she regards this article as “offensive” and something that should be retracted, and given she described the extremely polite vigil in the video below as “intimidation”, I think we can all form our own view of Ms Creasy and her sense of entitlement to rule.
For the benefit of the media, she is currently organising a “public meeting” with in fact a highly selected and vetted audience to be seen to be “open and democratic” and justify to her constituents her decision to blow up Syrian children. Expect wall to wall media coverage of stooges coming out saying she convinced them.
The original article of which she complained starts here:
There is a very natural temptation for members of the SNP to laugh without sympathy at the universal media hostility faced by Corbyn and his supporters. That is because we faced an equally massive and equally unrelieved torrent of biased media propaganda during the referendum campaign, and then the entire Labour Party, including its left wing, not only did not condemn the biased media but actively sought to promote it.
On top of which the corporate media is in utter confusion in Scotland, and still largely under instruction to boost Labour, it being at least unionist. The peculiar result of this is that an alien landing in Livingston and following the media would come to the conclusion that John McTernan must be leader of the country, given his ubiquity on media and the extreme deference shown to him, especially by the state broadcaster.
I am however of a peculiarly forgiving disposition, and take the view that two wrongs don’t make a right. What is by any standards fascinating is the way that the media use precisely the same tactics against Corbyn they used against the SNP. First you have the expressions of scorn, of incredulity that such a view could be held, the dismissive body language of presenters, the comment of “unelectable” presented as fact.
When all that does not work, you get the portrayal of anybody putting forward a view outside the neo-con consensus as fanatic, desocialised and violent. We experienced precisely this with the massive “cybernat” campaign of the mainstream media, in which independence supporters were presented as hideous thugs and bullies. This is precisely the narrative which is now being relentlessly deployed on all media for the last 24 hours against the supporters of Jeremy Corbyn. The narrative is reinforced by promoting a celebrity “victim”, preferably female and blonde. Step forward J K Rowling the first time, and Stella Creasy now.
Here is a shocking video of the hate-filled mob which besieged Ms Creasy’s constituency office, with the result that her staff dare not go to work and she herself felt intimidated.
Demonstration outside @stellacreasy’s Walthamstow constituency office against war in Syria – video @rhodri_jones
https://t.co/O9ULmc6ofU
— Channel 4 News (@Channel4News) December 1, 2015
Terrifying, wasn’t it? The truth is this was an extremely polite and quiet bunch organised in fact by the local vicar Stephen Saxby, who writes in Red Pepper:
This week I took part in a vigil with a wide section of the local community. I am deeply saddened by the misinformation about the vigil which has circulated in the media, and grateful to Sue Wheat for correcting the misreporting of the vigil.
I am also surprised that some in the party appear to be overly influenced by irresponsible coverage in the media, such as the Mail’s description of the peaceful people on our vigil being called ‘Hard-left hate mobs’ and the Mirror stating ‘Vicars, imams and net trolls target MPs’.
I am shocked by Tom Watson’s statement on Radio 4 today that ‘any Labour members on that demo should be removed from the party’.
At the same time as I condemn intimidation of MPs or their staff, I reiterate that the vigil was not intimidation, and condemn those who seek to portray democratic, peaceful actions as such. This is also is a form of intimidation.
For my part, I shall not be intimidated into not speaking on issues about which I am passionate and alongside others within and beyond the Labour Party.
I refute the erroneous allegations about me and about our peaceful vigil, and look forward to continuing to support Stella Creasy as MP for Walthamstow, and the campaigns to elect Sadiq Khan as mayor and Jeremy Corbyn as prime minister.”
It is astonishing that Tom Watson says that anybody in that video should be expelled from the Labour Party, and that the entire mainstream media has described it as “intimidation”. There really is a genuine attempt to delegitimise even the concept of dissent from the neo-con war agenda.
In truth, we all know that social media abuse does exist to a certain extent, just as abuse exists in every other form of human communication. But the one thing we learnt for certain from the Scottish referendum campaign, is that the media will report constantly any abuse allegedly from the anti-establishment camp, but will ignore the at least equally bad and quite possibly much worse torrent of abuse from supporters of the other side of the argument. The absolutely false connection of social media aggression uniquely to anti-establishment politics is an organised media propaganda trick as morally disgusting as it is pernicious.
The object to delegitimise a political view – be it Scottish Independence or Corbynism – is taken further in the current example. There is a concomitant media campaign to portray as an affront to democracy the idea of MPs facing reselection by party members – to portray the idea that an MP should have a lifelong right to the party nomination as norm.
This is a complete inversion of truth. The idea that MPs should be subject to reselection by members as the candidate at the end of the term for which they were chosen, is obviously in reality the more democratic. Should an MP be deselected, they have the democratic option to stand as an independent if they truly believe the voters were electing them, and not the party.
A final word on Ms Creasy. She has belatedly come out and denied the false reports all over the media that demonstrators gathered outside her home – though anyone who thought the Porsche Cayenne driving, Oxbridge Ms Creasy lives in a terrace in Waltham is very naïve. She is a fanatic supporter of Trident missiles and of any bombing opportunity going, and is precisely the sort of MP everybody should be trying to get rid of. Here is Andrew Neil exposing her for a shallow careerist fool:
Presumably that ranks as intimidation and abuse.
I was noticing recently on the various news websites (DT etc), whenever a story comes up related to ‘cheat devices’ in a certain automotive manufacturer, the discussion forum below the article starts to resemble Craig’s space here on a good day. Paid corporate trolls abound, or are they BND state-sockpuppets typing away to support the Deutschmark?, as the crisis is attempted to be managed, it’s very heavy handed – not subtle enough at all.
Isn’t anyone researching psyop trolls?
In the Soviet time the kids had political show & tell on a Tuesday, when they had to find an article in the press and make a presentation to their classmates. Their state hid world truth from their citizens, by iron-curtains and by jamming tv/radio. They had to do this because they didn’t have enough bread & circuses to go round, hungry people ask questions, the political correction via school & close surveillance was able to monitor & eradicate the troublers.
In UK, there’s currently rather a lot of BOGOF ready-meal ‘bread’ & infinite amounts of ‘celebrity’ circuses on the flat wall show. Happy, sated populations are easy to psyop. In the background, the English state is performing Soviet levels of propaganda and surveillance, to what end I’m not entirely sure.
Don’t believe what you read?
This is breathtaking stuff: they are now trying to blame the mass shootings in America (which happen on a weekly basis) on ISIS:
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/dec/04/san-bernardino-shooting-tashfeen-malik-isis-connection
Phil,
Thanks for your reply…
I kind of grew up in the Norfolk Broads in the Summer…when I was a Child Born in Oldham, Lancashire.
I just have so many magical moments…in my memory
Like getting up at dawn with my Mum..and go out in The Rowing and Sailing Boat – in 1963 from The Houseboat we had hired for Two Weeks – we travelled on the train we couldn’t afford a car.
My Mum and I went fishing at 5:00 am and I caught a Massive Fish – Bream..and we didn’t throw it back.
We Killed it and Took it home to Eat For Breakfast…
Then My Cousin just kind of turned up..and taught ua how to sail properly on Hickling Broad.
He was a Sailor Too…it was very Exciting.
ALL of The National Physical Laboratory (NPL – Teddington Hampton Rd, Teddington, Middlesex TW11 0LW) turned up at his Funeral – and So did I. My wife was working – I went with My Daughter. His Sister Died The same week. Neither of them made 60.
Even I have done that.
Tony
But what is the cube made of.
Nighty O Mary
John the new..welcome
Tony O. and Nevermind. Cheers for Indref Posts. I’m certain it was rigged in some areas.
As commenters have shown, your American colonial masters have taken control of the Guardian. This is also evident in tightened message discipline in the other papers. The result will replicate US media manipulation, which is based on Southern cracker culture. You can see this in Creasy’s martyrdom: the histrionic whining and the priggish disdain. This is how crackers act when they’re gut-shooting obstetricians. The US will attempt to acculturate its British colony with the characteristic neuroses of fundamentalist honor cultures in the old slave states. This can facilitate war and repression with mass hysteria and mobbing.
Scotland is less susceptible to taking on white-trash character traits from the US. The US-directed media blitz is therefore likely to intensify separatism. But that’s OK. As Strarikov wrote, US doctrine dictates that “once you have lost control over the territory – create the Antithesis.” If you can’t have it any more, rip it apart. So as the NATO Pact collapses from the outside in, the US will support Scottish self-determination – as a tactic of scorched-earth withdrawal. The US will try hard to escalate Scottish self-determination into civil insurrection. We shall see if the subject peoples of the British state will stand for it.
BrianFujisan had a good laugh at :But what is the cube made of.
The pseudo intellectual “nothing” and “vacuum” !!! As you know there is no absolute vacuum that further gives rise to existence of mass and thereafter the mass of the universe that affords it to remain together instead of breaking apart and disappearing into the void!
Little knowledge is dangerous whether it is Creasy and her “Scouting Career” that is passed as a real job and “worldly experience” or the notion of void=nothingness=0=vacuum that is given the old adage; “nature abhors vacuum”.
Meanwhile back at the ranch the Oligarch Owned Media are carrying the latest wisdom n demand form a war criminal and human rights abuser bLiar;
This setting the tone for the next torrent of drivel to justify the unwarranted aggression on Syrians through diverting the narrative into the “enemies within”, “fifth columnists” , ….. etc.
As the OOM are getting geared up;
Then there is Daily Star and its take that now “improves” on the numbers of the officials and their geographic proximity as in “officials” and the “Birmingham” and has the smoking phone call as the proof that Charlie Chan would have been proud to find!! (the distinct finger prints with a unique cut on the thumb holding the gun sort)
As one lot of excuses to bomb are dissolving and leaving a mess behind the mess is covered over with more of the same Muslim hatred to keep the two minutes hate current; never mind the seventy thousand see what the bastards have been up to under your very nose?!!
My head hurts….
P.S Tony, I live in Oldham and totally understand why you left 😉
Physics has been Seriously Compromised in the UK and and The USA..Basically in most of even the “Best” Schools in the UK – They No Longer Teach Science. They teach the history of science as if it is a story. Science is not like that..it is about experimenting – and finding out the results for yourself..sure it is sometimes a bit dangerous mixing pure raw chemicals – and seeing the effect in the lab when you are 15 (but no one was hurt – yes I know I was a bit of a twat – but my Science Master in Oldham Royton (Not Hulme Grammar) was such a lovely man…Got Grade One’s in Two Different Exams..O Levels and CSE (All Grade 1)
So to kind of Celebrate..I knew I had done well at the end of The Year..Almost the Last Day at School when I was 15..I said to my mate Edward Siekowski – oh go on – lets do it (He said we will get in big trouble – but what can they do – They Don’t Do “A” Levels Here) We are 15 – Nearly 16 and We are Out..Find another School..No more education here in Royton, Oldham.
I asked are you O.K. about this?..He said O.K. – Let’s Do it.
A Large Piece of Wood on The Lab Desk.
A Bunsen Burner
We Made an Extremely Large Burn Mark and Even Hole in The Piece of Wood.
We mixed a beaker of water with glycerine…
And We went running down to The Teacher’s Staff Room…
Sir, Sir, Sir..You Have got to come Quick…
We just dropped a little bit of this Fluid We Have made…and it all Flared Up – and It’s Burned an Enormous Great Hole In The Desk…I think we might have made Nitro-Glycerine…
And he completely Believed Us..
He came rushing up to the lab…”you stupid c….”..and got all his science books out to try and find a solution to neutralize it.
He actually believed we had made Nitro Glycerine.
I said – Sir..shouldn’t we phone The Fire Brigade…
My mate and I tried not to smile…eventually..before he reached for the phone…
We are are Winding You Up Sir…Its just harmless glycerine and water – we burned the hole in our piece of wood…no damage to the desk. Thank You for Teaching Us So Much.
I have never seen anyone so relieved.
Yes, I know I was a Very Naughty Boy. I didn’t harm anyone though.
Sure We made his heart beat faster..
“Billy Casper plays football (Kes)”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v3cayRMnVb8
Tony
Tony, nice story; metaphor?
Ah Exactly my point Fedup. Only Science – intelligence not Nature – can produce a vacuum
Anyhoo.. I know we are Very Ot here but a Vacuum can be be a wonderful thing, Costly But…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E43-CfukEgs
” agree with your comments, I am not a fan of Tom Watson in general and certainly not since his desire to gain publicity for himself last year over the Westminster paedophile scandal.”
I’ve been following Tom Watson’s campaign against child abuse for a great number of years now. Without him I doubt there would have been any Westminster paedophile scandal. No News of the World phone hacking scandal either plus he was behind the removal of Tony Blair from power.
I’m sure he weighed up the pros and cons of military action against ISIS very carefully plus considered the wishes of his constituents who’s votes he will be relying on at the next election and are nearly one fifth Asian.
Fwl,
Maybe metaphor..but true. I didn’t make it up..and the clip from Kes – was just so close as to how it actually was like in a Secondary Modern School in Royton, Oldham, though I think the film Kes was actually made in Barnsley Yorkshire – just over the Pennines
We Got the Best Education in The World…and we had Girls Too.
Sure it was tough. Life is tough. We all got a job when we left school…Apprentice…or further education and maybe University..we had to work hard..we didn’t have any money..though we did get a few grants…to help us working class rise out of the slime and be educated and compete with The Best.
Try doing it now with nest to Fuck All…
Far more difficult..but not impossible.
My Daughter has had recruitment agencies phoning her up today..I know it is true..cos I answered the phone.
I am completely delighted that my former Oldham MP – Michael Meacher has achieved some kind of justice after his death…The Telegraph didn’t know what to write. It Blew Their Heads Off.
Jeremy Corbyn 10 Neocons 0
Tony
Fred, with regard to your remarks about Tom Watson and the paedophile scandal, what you say is total rubbish.
Watson should be in jail, along with all the other psychos who have covered up this abomination.
In the meantime, those of us trying to bring these crimes to the attention of the public have to deal with government trolls.
I mean, how corrupt can you get..?
Maybe only if you stop raping children and start shagging farm animals.
“Ah Exactly my point Fedup. Only Science – intelligence not Nature – can produce a vacuum”
So intelligence produces nothing.
And it’s nature which produces everything else.
Fred, that’s not a reasoned response.
I’m still trying to figure out who you work for.
Not that I really care.
You will all be brought to justice.
YouKnowMyName @ 4 Dec, 2015 – 10:29 pm
“I was noticing recently on the various news websites (DT etc), whenever a story comes up related to ‘cheat devices’ in a certain automotive manufacturer, the discussion forum below the article starts to resemble Craig’s space here on a good day. Paid corporate trolls abound, or are they BND state-sockpuppets typing away to support the Deutschmark?, as the crisis is attempted to be managed, it’s very heavy handed – not subtle enough at all.
…”
I think “Reputation Management” is the phrase you are looking for. There are companies that will sell this service (which includes astroturfing) to anyone willing to pay.
I don’t see why political parties (or factions within political parties) with rich backers wouldn’t use such a service together with the usual PR companies and political consultancy companies.
Maybe even foreign states with an agenda to push might hire such companies indirectly via organisations they fund.
Some states may even do it directly, who knows?
All impossible to prove of course. Some posters do seem to have curiously split personalties and use of language.
However I don’t think they are doing a very good job in altering any opinions. Disruption and derailing a topic, yes – I wish people* would just ignore them and not rise to the bait.
* people in general – not getting at anyone
Buried my best friend today. A fellow I regarded as the brother I never had.
Filthy disease, alcoholism.
If anyone thinks arranging funerals is easy, and wants to criticise the way one had been organised, I suggest they try doing one themselves.
Sorry for being most terribly off-topic, and if mods want to delete this, I’ll entirely understand.
And by the way, I’m no stranger to seeing people die (half my family have been wiped out by cancer).
This is an example of propaganda…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wgd4UHEWZ3Y
Everything Lisa says pushes you towards other controlled sites.
Craig Murray argues the intimidation doesn’t exist yet anyone here who offers an opinion which differs from that of the resident bigots gets personal abuse thrown at them.
Once you start making it personal with me sunshine that’s the only sort of response you are going to get.
Well of course if you are a completely Pure Spirit and you can survive and be happy without using any Alcohol or Drugs..then I Take My Hat off To You…But Even My Wife who is a completely Pure Spirit..sure she doesn’t do any drugs,,she doesn’t need Cannabis to get High..She is Naturally high…Yes She does occasionally drink Pints of Cider and Black – but only if there is a Brilliant Rock Band on Live -just to Be Sociable and Dance With Her Mates
She does not smoke anything..and She doesn’t Really Like The Sambuka Shots..late at night after even I have walked home…
My wife is fine without Any Alcohol or Drugs…
So long as I bring her a nice cup of Coffee and Fruit and Fresh Greek Yoghurt in The Morning in Bed.
It works brilliantly to prevent Spotted Dick (Thrush).
If its a bit too creamy..well it doesn’t work so well.
I thought this Scottish Man was Italian,,,well I just assumed from his name…
Now how Cool is This??? Does it really matter where he was born?
“Paolo Giovanni Nutini (born Paul Giovanni Nutini on 9 January 1987[1]) is a Scottish singer, songwriter and musician from Paisley”
Paolo Nutini – Iron Sky [Abbey Road Live Session]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELKbtFljucQ
just feel blessed by such art, heart, love and music
Tony
I am now afraid to write my wife’s name…How Weird is THAT??? I am afraid. I can’t help it…This world has got very evil…And yet – We Have Done Nothing Wrong..
But I Know how they can just Try and Destroy You and Your Wife and Family
I think its better to try and stay Anonymous – just part of the world wide web – so you are just the same as any part of the web as we all gradually get closer to the evil at the centre of the web…This Satan..as We Close in on Him..
How Can The Evil Destroy Us When we are So many across the world and he is so little and so small
So I asked my wife…What is The Best Gig..You Have Ever Been To.
She Instantly Replied Peter Gabriel – Hammersmith Odeon – when he did Rhythm of The Heat about 83-84 and he just launched himself into bodily into the Audience
We had Never seen anyone do that before…But I reckoned he’d been practicing in Africa…and thought well they didn’t kill me in Africa..I reckon I will be O.K. in London.
The thing is, when he did it the first time…he really did not know what to expect…
And when we saw him do it the first time…we didn’t know what to expect. We were just completely amazed. Even Robert Plant never did that.
Peter Gabriel wasn’t Faking Anything.He brought Musicians From All Over The World To Play Live in England…We went to all his WOMAD concerts over 25 in a Row -every year- except the very first one in Shepton Mallet..My Girlfriend wanted to go…and he lost all his money…So I said O.K. – We will go and see him in Milton Keynes with Genesis Reformed – to Bail Him Out.
What Love is THAT? I don’t think it was recorded…
This is the closest I can find..
“Peter Gabriel – Lay your hands on me – Atenas 87 HD”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JRCFKoCs9nk
I think Atenas is in Costa Rica between Nicaragua and Panama
Tony
There is coalition between the nihilists i.e. pig blowjob Tory/neo-con/Zionist and Muslim Brotherhood/ Qaida/Daesh.
There is another coalition, between bleeding-heart New Labour and the anything-goes C of E clergy/ spying on Muslims imams. Creasy belongs to the latter, bacon-tasting group.
KOWN says he could taste the difference in the Guardian long before reading the facts about the paper’s management.
Of course cultural differences between Bullingdons and Baghdadis exist. That is an important part of the bullshit.
There are cultural differences between controlled motorway Blairites and Deobands. Culturally speaking, ne’er shall either twain meet.
But whether they are top-notch freemasons like Cameron or bottom notch freemasons like Creasy, they are all united in their common trait of deceit, united in their unwillingness to speak the truth and united in their determination to travel down the political, haram, lying route.
i have to say that by contrast with the above, the more I see and hear from Jeremy Corbyn, the more I believe he is the genuine article. I am extremely impressed with his patience , not only with the US hegemonists but also with his own party’s emotional manipulists.
For a man to be so thoroughly immune to falsity of both kinds, i.e. both jingoist and emotional blackmail, and to be able to stand and calmly speak his truth, is not something we thought we would see again in UK politics. Obviously he is not alone in politics in defending the truth, but mostly in UK politics that is seen from lone speakers to empty benches.
Corbyn is a match for Cameron. David and Goliath.
Blair is keen to make a disconnect between his war mongering in Iraq to Cameron’s in Syria.
‘Syria air strikes: Conflict not like Iraq War – Blair
Tony Blair: “Inevitably, we are going to have to be involved. The question is how do we get involved most sensibly”
UK action in Syria to target so-called Islamic State (IS) is not like the Iraq invasion, Tony Blair has told the BBC.
The former PM said the current action was different from the 2003 war because the West had allies in Arab countries.
He added that experience from conflicts in Iraq and Libya showed “dealing with the dictator” was not enough in the “wider battle against extremism”.’
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-35013514
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He is given 3 mins of airtime with the BBC’s Katty Kay for his manic rambling. Why?
I think the time has come for him to be detained at Her Maj’s pleasure.
Rob G You referred to the San Bernardino ‘shootings’.
I have the same thoughts as this commenter on Medialens.
‘Anyone else find the San Bernardino shootings baffling?
Does anyone else find the San Bernardino shootings baffling? Here we seem to have a couple who left their 6 month old baby at day care and then tooled up with automatic weapons and attacked a Christmas party held at a community centre. Does any of that make sense to anyone. No, me neither. If you want to carry out an act of memorable jihadi violence, wouldn’t you choose something other than a local event with a small number of attendees? Wouldn’t you be thinking on a much larger scale?
I’ve also read that some sort of emergency exercise was taking place at the same time as the shootings which seems an awfully large coincidence. Add to that the fairly muted way it was initially reported in the media and I’d have to ask – is this some sort of fake psyc-op? A staged event? ‘
It’s always the War on Terror. Ever since Sept 11 2001 in fact.
The Tora Bora mountain lair of Bin Laden et sequelae.
‘The War in Afghanistan (or the American war in Afghanistan) is the period in which the United States invaded Afghanistan after the September 11 attacks. Supported initially by close allies, they were later joined by NATO beginning in 2003. It followed the Afghan Civil War’s 1996–2001 phase. Its public aims were to dismantle al-Qaeda and to deny it a safe base of operations in Afghanistan by removing the Taliban from power. Key allies, including the United Kingdom, supported the U.S. from the start to the end of the phase. This phase of the War is the longest war in United States history.’
Glenn_uk,
Sorry to hear of the loss of your friend Glenn,sincerely.
i know we’ve had the odd silly spat herein Glenn but that stuff puts all that silliness in perspective.
Best wishes to ya Glenn.
Mary,
Aye.
Funny how so many ‘Turr’ driĺls coincide with,ahem,real ‘Turr$t’ events huh?
How is Peter Power gettin on these days eh?
It’ll be hard to take Harriet Harman’s opinions on the ‘sanctity of life’ seriously from now on. As if we ever did.
Keep your pecker up Glenn, and well done.
Glenn_uk – sorry to hear that, my condolences mate.