I wish a speedy recovery, both physically and mentally, to the people stabbed at Leytonstone tube station. It must have been horrifying.
The following comments are in part predicated on a presumption that the media reports of the incident are broadly true. This comes with a serious health warning. At this stage after another tube station incident, we were universally assured that various official “sources” and “eye-witnesses” had affirmed that Jean Charles leapt the barriers and ran through the tunnels, wearing a bulky jacket with wires sticking out. All of those turned out to be absolute lies deliberately spread by the Metropolitan Police and the Home Office.
But assuming this time the account of his shouting about Syria is not lies, what we can see from video is that a single man in a very silly hat, armed with a very small knife indeed, can carry out a vicious terrorist attack with apparently no need for planning at all. Not even planning enough to get a less tiny knife from his kitchen.
Because, sadly terrorism is easy. As I stated recently, if I were crazed enough to want to kill somebody tomorrow, and did not care how I did it, who I killed or if I died myself, I could kill a few people without too much effort or planning. That is why the continual propaganda about “seven foiled ISIS terrorist plots” or “4,000 active Islamic terrorists in the UK” is quite simply untrue. If all those terrorists existed, they would not be so entirely unproductive. What the authorities do catch continually are fantasists, often children, boasting and “plotting” online about being terrorists. That is quite a different thing. It is worth noting that nobody has been charged over any of these seven foiled ISIS plots. Strange that, isn’t it?
As for the man in the silly hat, I fear he is mentally unstable. That is no comfort to his victims. The truth is, of course, that it is always the little people who get hurt. None of the 1% who foment, promote and profit from war have ever set foot in Leytonstone Tube Station. But their agenda is forwarded today. By its continual acts of violence and repression, the neo-con state eventually goads a mentally unstable person into a nasty, vicious and pointless act. They then use that act to justify more wars and repression.
For the security and armaments industry it is a very profitable cycle.
Ishmael, I used to live in Catford, in south east London (I probably couldn’t even afford to buy a dog kennel in that part of the world now!). All the youngsters carried blades and knife crime was rampant.
Techno:
“The point for me seems to be that Islam readily provides an excuse for the violent and mentally ill to go on the rampage in a way that Christianity, Hinduism, Sikhism etc. really do not.”
Oh, so you’re saying that Cameron, Hague, McCain, Netanyahu, Blair, Bush, Hoon etc had no excuse for their violence and madness. Well I kinda agree with that.
Mr Murray, you are wrong about the number killed by terrorism in the UK: it is at least 400 people annually. That is the number dying from heroin (overdose or complications thereof) almost exclusively supplied by afghan terrorists. Since intervening in the region has dramatically increased its heroin output we know that measured in lives our policies are marvellously assisting the enemy.
I quite with your first observation IF it’s true.
However there’s no denying that coalition forces bombing Syria ARE terrorising women and children, of course the sons of bitches running the media won’t run that on a loop on tv for days.
If it is true we don’t really know the man’s circumstances and although I’m not condoning any form of terrorism. This man may have lost family members in Syria to coalition bombing, just in the same way Israel killed thousands last year by bombing.
Yet there’s a huge out cry when Palestinians try to stab Israeli’s wouldn’t you if your family had been blown to smithereens?
Finally if you live in a country that’s bombing Syria, killing women and children in the process you must expect retaliation. The unelected world police Nato, can’t expect to swan around the globe bombing and killing with impunity.
Those who own and control everything think about wealth creation all the time, and how to create it.
They don’t think about death and destruction, and poverty, but you do. Therefore, that is what you get. And the media keeps it in the forefront of your mind, so that you can’t think or talk about anything else.
“Did you see that terrible thing on the telly?”. “Did you read that shocker in the paper?”.
Give it a miss and do something good for yourself, please.
Wake up!!! Before it is too late!!!
They’ll be studying the pen-knife terrorist’s prescription history, to see how they can replicate en-masse this stunning success. Though anyone who isn’t angry isn’t paying attention, is bought off with or has already been communally medicated into a zombie-like indifference.
Close off legitimate dissent and restraint of villainy joined with absolute power, twist democracy out of all recognition, and this sort of thing is what inevitably happens.
Anyone know this chap’s name, he’ll be celebrated in times to come, he seems to have the right idea, though his actions missed any deserving target, by several tube-stops, and his methods were rather limited in scope.
Sounds worse than here Rob.
The disparity of peoples lives. Shocking really, and surely the root of most conflict.
They should be honest, this is the result of a class war they are happy to be fighting and winning. And ordinary peoples lives mean nothing…
People should understand this fundamental ethos of the state…If education was worth anything they’d teach it in schools. Instead were served up like bits of meat for use and abuse…Live in perpetual insecurity and violence.
Really, what do they expect.
I wonder how long it will take for people to work out this is a very manged system of poverty they live in.
“400 people annually. That is the number dying from heroin (overdose or complications thereof)”
I think you’ll find the root cause of that is social degradation enacted by the upper classes. The Roman ‘free market’ arena has many causality’s.
And…I hear some banks would have gone down if not for drug assets.
Committing terrorism is not easy to do nor is writing about it, but we must face facts no matter how depressing it is or we shall just be seeing more of it.
Consumerism:
https://offgraun.files.wordpress.com/2015/07/media_control.jpg?w=749&h=450&crop=1
Yet there’s a huge out cry when Palestinians try to stab Israeli’s wouldn’t you if your family had been blown to smithereens?
NO. Sounds like a violent disposition to me. Or is this sympsthy for the terrorists?
“NO. Sounds like a violent disposition to me. Or is this sympsthy for the terrorists”
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Depends on your point of view as to who the terrorist are.
Violent disposition says Alcyone, how about dropping 500lb bombs on families in Syria or Iraq, is that a violent disposition, is that classed as terrorism.
I suppose in your twisted mind the 2 inch pen knife is a more lethal weapon.
^^Sorry omitted the brackets in first sentence, quoted.
https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2015/12/sadly-terrorism-is-easy/comment-page-1/#comment-567157
I think the commenter is rather out-doing himself in his sympathy for the Palestinians and possibly, in part, playing to the gallery here.
This is a fine example of how many here can never be a part of the solution in Palestine.
You are right. All the terrorists have to do is study the Resistance in France during the second world war and follow their example.
Techno
6 Dec, 2015 – 1:16 pm
“The point for me seems to be that Islam readily provides an excuse for the violent and mentally ill to go on the rampage in a way that Christianity, Hinduism, Sikhism etc. really do not.
So there is something qualitatively different about Islam compared to other religions.”
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I think I can agree with the above statements.
There is something more closed and bigoted about the religions of ‘The Book(s)’. Hinduism, Sikhism and Buddhism are more open and therefore less belligerent
Christianity of course has matured over the years. But who is going to Reform Islam? As Suhayl might agree, the clerics have hijacked it?!
More about religion here (around 7 minutes –What is Religion?)
http://www.jkrishnamurti.org/krishnamurti-teachings/view-video/what-is-religion-part-1-of-1.php
Nasir Ali
UK imams are not part of the Resistance, they are like Nazi sympathisers. They are helping Cameron neo-colonise the Middle East and leave it in ruins. Pathetic, self-seeking, self-delusional and racist against anyone outside their own narrow national background.
A wealthy Muslim recently asked me if I was Syrian, meaning, was I part of the fantasy jihad that has wrecked Syria. Like champagne socialists, these Muslims genuinely believe that there is such a thing as a jihad against better Muslims than they themselves are. Weird.
Alcy1
Is your real name Aravindan Balakrishnan?
Good frank and open comment, Guano.
Alcy! Baby! I’ll take that as a yes then. Ok?
“I think the commenter is rather out-doing himself in his sympathy for the Palestinians and possibly, in part, playing to the gallery here.”
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Oh dear I’m pretty sure the “world leader” would’ve been bitterly disappointed about your lack of sympathy, for those less fortunate.
Playing to the gallery, if pointing out that Nato’s bombing of Syria and Iraq, in which civilians casualties (some women and children) are killed, can be seen as terrorism through their eyes, then yes I’m guilty as charged.
Good luck with The Reformation Guano. Sorely needed. I know I can’t wish Islam, for that matter any organised religion, away, but it’d be great to see it updated to the 21st century. (Don’t you miss egg and bacon?)
On a more serious note, (Robert, here’s some good news), I am sure the content of Human Consciousness is changing, slowly but surly. There will be a tipping point, once there is a cumulative critical mass of people rejecting all organised religions and finding their innate Intelligence embedded in the Spitit we are born with. Logic and Rationale are forceful processes–you can’t wish them away 😉
In summary medieval man becoming more sane (unlike RobG). How long will we remain a Type Zero Global Civilisation. But then, modern man hasn’t been around that long in the Bigger Picture.
Rosy, will you please stop squirming?
Glad you still have the Krishnamurti bee in your bonnet.
Re this particular incident – which I saw a bit of – labeling it as Terrorism is completely ridiculous. People do lose the plot – and they do commit violent attacks sometimes ending in death…even where I live…a few years ago – there was a dispute in a local pub involving I think it was scaffolders (no immigrants were involved) – and they all knew each other. One of the men involved was totally fuming…and he walked out of the pub. Now everyone thought that was the end of the incident – an argument – about what – probably a woman?? Happens every day. But this time it was different. He drove the couple of miles home…and he got his Samurai Sword – off the wall….drove back to the pub – and he chopped his mate’s head off.
That barely made the news…but if he had been Black – it would have been world headline news. “Unprovoked Muslim attack”
Meanwhile, 14 years of intense anti-Muslim propaganda has this effect even on highly intelligent Americans.
Don’t do the Truth, if you can’t handle it..It is extremely dangerous to your Mental Health….but believing the lies can be even more dangerous. Does this remind anyone of NAZI Germany – different target group – but much the same kind of thing..Its just now – a new set of whipping boys.
Has anyone else noticed much of the world has gone rather mad or is it just me?
“US university president urges students to ‘end Muslims’”
http://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2015/12/06/440565/Killing-Muslims-US-Liberty-University-California-Shooting
“The president of a university in the US state of Virginia has urged college students there to be armed and kill Muslims following the recent mass shooting in California.
“I’ve always thought if more good people had concealed-carry permits, then we could end those Muslims before they walk in and kill,” said Jerry Falwell, Jr., president of the Liberty University in Lynchburg, Virginia.
“I just wanted to take this opportunity to encourage all of you to get your permit. We offer a free course,” Falwell told a large formal assembly at the school on Friday. “Let’s teach them a lesson if they ever show up here.”
“Lynchburg is a city in the south-central region of the U.S. state of Tennessee. It is governed by a consolidated city-county government unit whose boundaries coincide with those of Moore County. Lynchburg is best known as the location of Jack Daniel’s, whose famous Tennessee whiskey is marketed worldwide as the product of a city with only one traffic light.”
No it hasn’t put me off JD….because it was not in that Lynchburg. How many Lynchburgs do Americans have??
“Lynchburg is an independent city in the Commonwealth of Virginia. As of the 2010 census, the population was 75,568.”
Strange name for a town but they are Americans.
Tony
“Christianity of course has matured over the years. But who is going to Reform Islam? As Suhayl might agree, the clerics have hijacked it?!”
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It’s certainly become more tolerant that’s for sure, but with two world wars to its name it, along with Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan Libya and now Syria, it certainly isn’t anymore peaceful.
Islam is the youngest of the Abrahamic religions, and I agree it needs a reformation of some sorts, to bring it into the 21st century. Bombing won’t help Islam to evolve, infact Saudi Arabia a coalition partner, who holds a seat on the European Human Rights Council (a sick joke) is far more extreme in religious matters.
Saudi Arabia has been and still is funding their Wahhabist extreme doctrines to all who’ll listen across the region and beyond.
Breaking news
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-35022119
Man charged after “malicious” Facebook messages sent to MP
We are approaching the 7th anniversary of the Cast Lead war on Gaza which had been planned six months in advance by the Israelis under Olmert and Barak.
Cast Lead shamefully named after the dreidel, a child’s toy originally made in that metal, given for Hannukah.
Hannukah starts this evening and lasts until next Monday evening, December 14th.
Remembering the 1,417 Palestinians killed and 5,303 injured.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaza_War_(2008%E2%80%9309)
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/war/operation-cast-lead-why.htm
Krishnamurti long uncovered the brutality of Wahhbism and the Evil of Saudi Arabia, well before the World, of late has begun to see it…
” Is all that is going on in the name of religion, the Judaic, the Arabic, the Islamic world, their brutality, their whippings – you know what is happening there. And all the vast superstitions of India with their three hundred thousand gods or more. You can invent as many gods as you like and that is more fun than having one god! But all gods are invented, as all the rituals. But the longing, the feeling that there must be something beyond all this, beyond all the human suffering, beyond all the human sorrow, work, labour, all the materialistic world with their marvellous technology, there must be something beyond all this, otherwise life has become… life has very little meaning as it is now. So, man invents: my life is empty, shallow, meaningless and I must have something more. So he invents gods. And gods are invented. God hasn’t created us – if he has he must be rather a crummy god, because he has made our life into such appalling misery, hate and all the rest of it. So we have made god after our image, which is the opposite of what we are – kind, benevolent, all-knowing, protecting, great comforter, and so on. Is all that religion? Man has always searched for something sacred. You may not believe in anything sacred. That is your affair. But there are many millions and millions, including oneself, if one is serious, one asks is there something sacred, imperishable, not measurable?”
J. Krishnamurti
Fourth Public Talk at Brockwood Park
September 1982
http://www.jkrishnamurti.org/krishnamurti-teachings/view-text.php?tid=1515&chid=1212&w=brutal%20whippings
Is Obama of the faith?
Obama issues Hanukkah greetings
The Oval
David Jackson, USA TODAY 12:34 p.m.
President Obama has issued his annual Hanukkah greeting:
“Tonight, J&ws in America, Israel, and around the world come together to light the first candle of the Festival of Lights.
“At its heart, Hanukkah is about the struggle for justice in the face of overwhelming obstacles. It’s a chance to reflect on the triumph of liberty over tyranny, the rejection of persecution, and on the miracles that can happen even in our darkest hours.
“It renews our commitment as Americans — as people who live by faith and conscience — to lead the way and act as unyielding advocates for the fundamental dignity of every human being.
“During these eight days, let us be inspired by the light that can overcome darkness. As we recall the Maccabees’ struggle to free a people from oppression, let us rededicate ourselves to being the engine of the miracles we seek.
“May the lights of the menorah brighten your home and warm your heart, and from my family to yours, Chag Sameach.”
http://www.usatoday.com/story/theoval/2015/12/06/obama-hanukkah-statement-festival-of-lights/76882498/
Last year, he was more fulsome.
President Obama: “Happy Hanukkah, Everybody!”
December 17, 2014 After koshering the kitchen and setting up the menorah, President Obama and First Lady Michelle Obama welcomed hundreds of guests here at the White House for the second night of Hanukkah.
https://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2014/12/17/president-obama-happy-hanukkah-everybody
A message to all skint people who actually like drinking the very best British Beer and like smoking the very best tobacco.
Do it yourself…it really isn’t that hard and it is completely legal and it keeps you fit – and it is much better than the extremely expensive imported stuff..
“Master Brew – Master from Kent – Doctor Ale”
http://doctorale.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/HopsOasts-by-Tony-Austin.jpg
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Tobacco-Seeds-UK-grown-2015-Seeds-500x-Golden-Virginia-easy-grow-cure-/221947856752
Tony
The destruction of the Middle East including Syria, Libya and Iraq, was planned. According to high ranking US General Wesley Clark.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9LTdx1nPu3k