It is universally accepted that the extremely vindictive terms of the Treaty of Versailles, and particularly the massive reparation payments, were a major factor in the rise of Hitler and the second world war. Nobody accuses you of defending Hitler, justifying Hitler or hating the UK if you state that.
Yet the entire mainstream media and political establishment is united in shrill condemnation of Ken Livingstone for stating the undeniable fact that the 7/7 bombers were motivated by outrage at the British invasion of Iraq.
Labour is in a mad panic over Ken Livingstone’s fundamental departure from the neo-con narrative. He has had the temerity to point out that when we inflict “shock and awe” on other countries, and massacre from the air thousands of women and children, the result is assymetric warfare which includes terrorist blowback.
We are instead supposed to believe that our enemies are a spontaneous manifestation of pure evil, something that has with no cause arisen from the bowels of the earth to hurt us, like a devil in a horror movie.
The Blairites of course have still never admitted that the Iraq War was wrong, unjustified and had terrible consequences in the Middle East, let alone in the UK. They are desperate to keep bombing and bombing the Middle East until they can prove that Tony and they were right.
Ian Murray, Scotland’s remaining MP, is a particular weasel. He is voting against airstrikes not to alienate his constituents, but is doing so on the grounds he thinks Britain should also send in ground forces – going the “full Blair”. Murray has called for Livingstone to step down as joint chairman of Labour’s defence review, and is brimming with fury and indignation at Livingstone’s departure from a line acceptable to the media. Murray is quite possibly the most weasely and dishonest politician in the Labour Party, but that is a very strong field.
The media are delighted that, instead of querying David Cameron and the Tories on the unbelievable 70,000 moderate rebels claim, they can instead concentrate entirely on the split in the Labour Party. Jeremy Corbyn has blinked, and the Labour Party goes into the debate as a completely useless instrument, hopelessly split and with members speaking all over the place.
I dislike the whipping system and it is not the free vote that is the problem. It is the fact that a third of Labour MPs are extreme right wing warmongers. That is the problem.
There really is no point in the existence of the Labour Party any more. The best thing would be for the Blairites simply to join the Tories, which would move the Tory Party to the right. Or they could show the courage of Dick Taverne and resign and fight outside the Party. But they wish to try to regain control of the Party’s assets and finances, so this will never happen. Were I a Labour Party member, I would concentrate on the deselection of every MP who votes for bombing. I do not expect that will happen either. The Labour Party has declined into utter irrelevance, its only role being as a punching bag for the corporate media.
It is hard sometimes to be optimistic, but actually it is a good thing that it is now exposed for all to see that the Blairites were simply Red Tories. The loss of a pretend opposition is a necessary step towards establishment of a genuine democracy. It is ever more plain to me that Scottish independence in inevitable. I have real hope that politics in England and Wales will also reform in a way that no longer purely services the 1%.
Fuck off anon 1, you poor excuse of a teacher. If we vote to go to war then we have to expect to be taken out, get real pup.
How exactly did they gauge this. Did they send out a questionnaire.
Do you like me?
Option 1 – Yes
Option 2 – No
Please be aware selecting option 2 results in immediate imprisonment.
I know which I’d select.
(And a youtube video, really. That’s a reputable source.)
I love this idea of Gaddafi being “revered” by over 40% of the population.
I never said I supported it, just that there was a reason.
What did the other 60% do? Moderate reverance?
Are you sure he wasn’t revered by over 40% of the population of his house. Sounds the more likely.
Craig said, “I don’t think they want war with Russia. They want a new Cold War, with loads of money for the arms and security industries.”
That is true, nevertheless Britain has a far-reaching imperative, a battle plan vital to the banksters immediate stake, nothing to do with bombing D’aesh or al-Nusra or any other proxy terrorist, paid thug or mercenary, that game-plan died with Russian intervention.
To understand agent Cameron’s wretched subservience to the damned elite that casts the die and commits Britain to another deal in blood we must look at a report published in December 2014 by the former research director at the UK Ministry of Defence’s (MoD) Advanced Research and Assessment Group (ARAG), Mohammed El-Katiri, that provides compelling evidence that British geopolitical strategists see the Mediterranean as an opportunity to wean Europe off dependence on Russian gas, and boost Israel’s energy independence.
That brief to Cameron explicitly acknowledges that a post-conflict Syria would open up new prospects for energy exploration and agreements made in 2011 where Cameron and Osborne were present, ensure a stake in Syria gas to thwart reliance on Russian energy supplies and grant Murdoch/Rothschild the bounty of Golan oil essential to mitigate fears from looming peak oil.
All this emerged during the Leveson inquiry, where the global media baron had numerous undisclosed meetings with Prime Minister David Cameron, who appeared to have a close relationship with Murdoch while seemingly berating phone hacking and at the same time urging termination of the News of the Screws Sunday comic. We remember Murdoch shelling out more than £1m to settle legal cases that threatened to reveal evidence of his journalists’ repeated involvement in the use of criminal methods to get stories.
Another of Genie Oil and Gas’s subsidiaries is American Shale Oil, a joint project with the French major Total SA. Total was among the sponsors of the 2010 international oil and gas exhibition hosted by the Assad regime in Damascus; François Hollande will of course stab Putin in the back when Britain arrives on the scene in preparedness for the so called post-war peace agreement.
I never said I supported it, just that there was a reason.
And is there a reason for removing the Saudi regime?
Nevermind
“Fuck off anon 1, you poor excuse of a teacher. If we vote to go to war then we have to expect to be taken out, get real pup.”
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Love the ‘We’, all of a sudden. You expressed a DESIRE to see British aircraft taken out by Russian S-400, you treacherous little creep!
There’s a reason for everything.
Gaddafi and some of his best friends, well until they didn’t need him anymore and killed him.
http://anarchism.pageabode.com/files/GaddafiObama.jpg
http://www.english.globalarabnetwork.com/images/stories/2009/July/Brown_Meets_Libyas_Gaddafi.jpg
http://ziomania.com/imagez/libya/gaddafi86.jpg
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-ZbUUlmWEEsU/TXVLgj1e-UI/AAAAAAAAABc/lRWYCTvitp0/s1600/blair%2526gaddafi.jpg
http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/files/2011/07/PutinGadaffi.jpg
The last picture is of Gaddafi after they no longer found him useful.
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/K7dx_tOIr7w/maxresdefault.jpg
BTW Stop the war are currently protesting outside Labour HQ. Thats Stop the war (led by Jeremy Corbyn) protesting outside Labour (led by Jeremy Corbyn) HQ. Does he have multiple personality disorder?
There’s a reason for everything.
Pathetic.
“A peaceful day by RoP standards yesterday, with just the 9 Shi’ite pilgrims blown to bits by Islamic fanatics in Baghdad.”
How often did this sort of thing happen, Anon1, prior to the invasion of Iraq – which you fully supported?
What do you mean pathetic, its true. Everything is done for a reason even if that reason is a load of crap.
My view is that without proper ground forces – and I mean a large army, not a rag-tag of 80 groups of paramilitaries – any attempt to get rid of ISIS simply will be futile and probably counter-productive. Fundamental as a pre-requisite to any military campaign to rid the region of Jihadist forces is to reach binding agreement on a political solution.
What is required is:
1) A military alliance of all relevant countries including the GCC and Turkey, Iran, NATO, Russia and the Syrian Government. This is not going to happen unless there 2).
2) A political solution which specifies the goals of the military campaign and the end result political process. This will be useless without 1).
Without 1) and 2), any military action will be useless. ISIS will simply become something else and having melted away will re-group as something else. And all the other Jihadist paramilitaries remain.
Anon!
“A peaceful day by RoP standards yesterday, with just the 9 Shi’ite pilgrims blown to bits by Islamic fanatics in Baghdad.”
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It appears to me that you are producing a counter-balance to Mary’s weekly listing of Israeli “atrocities”.
Keep up the good work and I hope these posts become a regular feature on this blog.
Suhayl
“2) A political solution which specifies the goals of the military campaign and the end result political process.”
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I wonder if you would agree that that political solution should include the removal of “President” Assad Junior?
Gleñn
“How often did this sort of thing happen, Anon1, prior to the invasion of Iraq – which you fully supported?”
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Interesting response from Gleñn_UK.
Of course, this “sort of thing” happens in Mali, Niger, Nigeria, Tunisia, Egypt, Cameroon and etc, on a daily basis, as my previous reports on the “RoP” refer.
But it was only when I mentioned Iraq that Glenn_UK expressed any concern.
H: “Keep up the good work and I hope these posts become a regular feature on this blog.”
I hope so too! Then we can keep a tally on the human cost of Neo-con’s pet projects. The higher the death toll, the more you can congratulate them on a job well done.
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Anon1 blustered ending up with “But it was only when I mentioned Iraq that Glenn_UK expressed any concern.”
We don’t have to express our every concern to you, idiot. Failure to do so doesn’t mean it doesn’t freaking exist. I didn’t mention my daughter’s progress in school, either. What conclusions do you draw from that, FFS?
In any case – you got 0/10 for answering the question, so I’ll rephrase it for you to have another go : How many market-goers got blown up in Iraq by terrorist freaks, prior to our invasion that so filled you with glee?
Habbabkuk, at 8:38pm: That – who governs Syria – is a matter which would have to be the subject of agreement between the relevant parties and it is something I would not wish to pre-judge. It is the major plank of NATO policy, of course. I have no love for the polce state Baathist regime and of course the Syrian Army too has committed atrocities. I’d like to see a free Syrian people and so on. But not chaos and the dissolution of the state of Syria. that would not be freedom., the Libyan people now are not free; indeed, they are considerably less ‘free’ than they were under Gaddafi.
The priority right now is to end the war in Syria and ensure that the GCC’s/NATO’s Jihadist proxies do not take over completely and are removed from the equation. That is not going to happen – in other words, I am not optimistic.
“It is the major plank of NATO policy, of course.” – me – I mean, it is a major plank of NATO policy to get rid of the Baathist regime.
He who wields the sword deserves to die by it anon 1, surely you can’t expect a cake walk. Amateur
The Tory thiefdom of Tories was only elected by 27% so what did the other 73% of moderate reverants here do?
I tell you they sat on their thumbs just as you did. Disinterested and politically apathetic, dulled and stupefied by the antics of a fraudulent party politics, you puppet.
~~~~~It is universally accepted that the extremely vindictive terms of the Treaty of Versailles, and particularly the massive reparation payments, were a major factor in the rise of Hitler and the second world war. Nobody accuses you of defending Hitler, justifying Hitler or hating the UK if you state that.~~~~~
No Craig, you’re wrong. It was the crisis of capitalism that began in 1929 and the boss class counter-coup of 1930, that led to Hitler being blackmailed into office, by the camarilla around Hindenburg, after the Papen and Schleicher regimes failed for want of a mass base.
The Carthaginian Peace or the Economic Consequences of Mr. Keynes Mantoux, Etienne (1946) was one of the first to debunk Keynes.
Hitler’s Thirty Days to Power: January 1933 by Henry Ashby Turner (1996)
You might want to compare the terms of Brest-Litovsk and the Treaty of Bucharest with Versailles, for a comparison of vindictiveness.
Now if I were to say that the principles and culture of Nazi ideology were also major factors in the development of WWII, no one would object or make nasty personal accusations.
BUT if anybody dares suggest that another fucked-up ideology is a major factor in UK terrorist incidents, that draws a torrent of foaming mad abuse.
I have posted this link with a comment THREE times here on a previous thread. It goes into moderation and then is deleted. I posted a polite note to the moderator asking what the problem was and that has been deleted.
The link is:
Zionist Power: Swindlers and Impunity, Traitors and Pardons
James Petras / 11/30/2015
http://dissidentvoice.org/2015/11/zionist-power-swindlers-and-impunity-traitors-and-pardons/
also on Information Clearing House with the same title.
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article43575.htm
The article describes how the American justice system and the government is susceptible to pressure from 52 American Jewish organisations.
I think that this is information we should know about.