Hillary Clinton is American, owned by financial interests to whom she is completely in thrall, a rabid neo-conservative warmonger, completely uncritical of Israel and focused for any claim to be progressive entirely on identity politics. Which is also a precise description of today’s Guardian newspaper. The once august and intellectual title is now a shrill cheerleader for far right Blairites and wealthy American feminists.
The Guardian is as unabashed in its support for Clinton as in its support for the Blairites. The stream of “feminist” articles about why it would advance the cause of women to have a deeply corrupt right winger in the White House is steadily growing into a torrent. It is a perfect example of what I wrote of a month ago, the cause of feminism being hijacked to neo-conservative ends.
Bernie Sanders is not perfect – nobody is. But he understands that obscene and still burgeoning wealth inequality is the greatest problem of western society, and that the state framework supporting crazed banking structures is the root cause of this. The support for him is a sign of the inevitable popular reaction to the extreme inequality of society. Sanders is channelling that reaction effectively.
The establishment therefore circles its wagons around Hillary Clinton. The hope is that women can be persuaded it is an act of misogyny simply to stand in her way. The other great establishment hope is that the Democrat party machinery is so strong in black communities, that black Americans can be in effect ordered to vote for a woman who epitomises the system which disadvantages them, rather than an apostle of genuine change in the economic order. I retain hope the establishment may find that black Americans are cleverer than that.
The machinery used to manipulate identity politics – racial and gender – is all that Clinton has. If Clinton beats Sanders, it will be the perfect demonstration of the fact that identity politics has become the enemy of progress in society.
In the field of identity, Bernie Sanders would be the first non-Christian President of the United States. Would that not be wonderful in a country whose politicians feel the need to genuflect to swarms of religious evolution-denying nutters who believe foreign wars are good because they presage the Rapture?
And would it not be great if the first President since Carter not in thrall to Israel were Jewish?
Clark
It was “All Syrians opposed to Assad” – but glad to see that you might agree with me that those who hold this view are racists.
If you want to demonstrate that you read widely on Syria ( I have no doubt that you read widely on other subjects) – then perhaps you could refer us to more documents from independent sources that support your views.
No point appealing to the love of God in my case – I’m agnostic.
“As for Resident Dissident, far from his user name, RD is well versed is ignoring all detail that fails to fit in with his narrow mindset with regards to what the USA is capable of, or the jewel in his crown, Israel.”
More of the usual bullshit – my dissent is to the bullshit from you and your friends.
If you bother to look at the record Israel is far from being a jewel in my crown – and anyway I don’t support monarchies unlike you and your forends.
@Clark,
And why do I enquire does reams of alleged aggression get directed at RD?
Is it perhaps because he’s noted by many who post on these boards as a ‘disruptor’ and as such is treated as one.
You really are quite sensitive today, particularly given I’m trying to render assistance in drawing your attention to chicanery in DC as early as 2006, which has been chronicled, published and yet ignored by many. And then they wonder why the ME and North Africa are ablaze and many, many innocent lives lost. All life to me is sacred and any death really is a tragedy if needless, and most deaths that have resulted from US, and by extension Israeli, British, French and others, machinations in the Middle East are stains on all our characters – at least I speak out, which is the least a concerned citizen should do, if only to undermine the propaganda narrative found in much of our MSM.
Resident Dissident, 11:28 am:
I too am probably best regarded as agnostic or atheist; I was actually appealing to a background of shared values which I expect we’re both familiar with. “For the love of Goodness”; does that help?
Please at least TRY to stop fighting. Please?
Chris Rogers, 11:36 am, we have commenters in these threads who troll viciously anyone who criticises the Russian government – I have been victimised myself, though people apparently are so focused on “opposing the enemy” that they fail to notice. There is a widespread assumption that only “our side” deploys “disrupters”. I think that there are multiple, opposing propagandas.
Chris Rogers
You really are not that smart basing your case on what Seymour Hersch said back in 2007.
Perhaps you should look at what he said about the “spontaneous” Arab Spring back in 2011 – together with his observations on the activities of Assad’s secret police.
http://www.democracynow.org/2011/6/3/seymour_hersh_on_the_arab_spring
Or even going forward to this year, how he explains that the intention of the US was to fund moderate opposition groups even though they were not successful in that objective.
http://www.lrb.co.uk/v38/n01/seymour-m-hersh/military-to-military
I’m afraid you have been caught yet again with your trousers around your ankles in your bare faced game of selective quotation in order to support the “line”. More compulsory training for you I fear.
Chris Rogers, some of my New Age type friends have told me that I’m wasting my time on this political blog. They say that no improvement will be possible in the human condition until a paradigm shift brings about a global consciousness, because human nature is too base to abandon the conflicts that emanate from within. We should all abandon politics and meditate, they say.
Of course they think of “bringing about a global conscious” in terms of some kind of telepathy because they’re into “spirit” and “Earth energy”. I think that a global mind really is coming into being, but we’re building it with fibre optic data highways and twisted pairs of copper cables. Humans are effectively building a global nervous system, and each of us here is a node.
But what sort of consciousness is emerging? Will we fight on these threads just like the factions fight all over the world, especially the Middle East? Will we be open and honest, or will the global mind hide most of its motives and remain divided against itself?
Resident Dissident, do you WANT conflict? Do you ENJOY it? Please look within and assess your feelings before you answer.
As I try my best to draw people together, the forces of reaction tear me apart.
@Clark,
I concur with your sentiment, however, many of these disruptors seem to think that somehow if views con tray to their own on certain subject matters are concerned, then somehow we must be in the pockets of, and paid propagandists for those in authority, be it Russia or Syria.
What they fail to appreciate, as RD again makes his points in his 11.59AM post, is that what I term the ‘realists’ understand that not all is rosy in the garden, that citizens of these states have valid concerns and that many face open hostility, and even death, for airing said concerns in a peaceable manner – which I’m opposed to. However, they keep looking at matters from a ‘micro’ level and then tend to ignore the big picture, which is a techniques RD has just engaged in with regards Seymour Hersh – Hersh being a compassionate investigative reporter who believes in telling it as it is. But hey, we alleged fawn on Assad and Putin and ignore their own transgressions – this is not true, but this is how concerned folk are portrayed.
@RD,
Nice try old bean, but regrettably I’m an apologist for no one and vent my spleen against all, something to do with democracy and freedom of speech, both of which are under attack from our own masters, never mind the likes of Putin, or anyone one else you’d like to mention. Two wrongs don’t make a right and I’ll abide by that rule.
Chris Rogers
Resident Dissident
You have been assuming bad faith of each other.
Fighting for peace is like fucking for virginity.
You can’t extinguish fires by attempting to douse them with fuel.
If you enjoy the cut and thrust of political argument, you need to face the fact that the ultimate outcome, amplified through the machinations of media and politics, is the cutting and thrusting into the living, feeling flesh of people in far-away lands.
@Clark,
Sir, it does not become you to utilise profanity, but nonetheless it’s a damn find word when utilised correctly – little shocked to see you include it in a post, but certainly get your message. However sad, myself and RD are like oil and water, they do not mix, that is not to say one does not associate with those who’s views are opposite to mine, quite the reverse I have many friends who are on the libertarian right, but I’m on the libertarian left -but, by ignoring US, and by extension Western warmongering, I don’t see how one can have peace anywhere, particularly given the rewards they receive from inflicting chaos everywhere, a chaos RD seems to ignore in his point scoring.
“which is a techniques RD has just engaged in with regards Seymour Hersh”
That being the technique of showing that his later writings are not supportive of your position – and that the twist you put on his previous writings were probably not correct.
“then somehow we must be in the pockets of, and paid propagandists for those in authority, be it Russia or Syria.”
Which is of course not an accusation that I have made – I don’t think you are clever enough or they are stupid enough to pay you. I’m afraid you just belong to the class of “useless idiots”- you most certainly do not belong to the libertarian left.
@Rd,
Evidently the US does not engage in ‘regime change’, confines itself to domestic issues, has no neocons direction overseas policy and is a beacon go hope we should all follow – its actions, particularly in the ME and NA suggest otherwise, but as a “useless idiot” of course one knows fuck all about these issues, no doubt as I know fuck all about Seymour Hersh or his output, despite owning several of his books.
Such accusations i wear as a badge of honour when issued by propagandists like yourself – well done Sir.
Oh, and unlike you, I actually had a direct line line of communication with quite a few of those from the USA’s ‘occupy’ movement, something to do with the fact I cover financial regulation in my actual work – for which i used to get well paid for.
Now fuck off.
FUCK YOU ALL. FUCKING WIPE OUT ALL HUMANS NOW. IS IT ANY FUCKING WONDER THAT I AND OTHERS STRUGGLE WITH THOUGHTS OF SUICIDE? FUCK YOU ALL.
The whole fucking human species is SICK.
You fucking ENJOY it.
Neither of you give a damn about the suffering. It’s just a spectator sport, and you two are like supporters, cheering on your sides and inflating your own egos.
Clark you are looking for answers where there are none!!!
Consciousness is a widely abused word, that is associated with withdrawal from the wider world and taking shelter in the shell of ones’ own soul!!!
You have this notion of willingness to cooperate but cannot see that the likes of dissident for conformity and fall in line behind your government because they are the best friends of zionistan is not for cooperation!!! This specimen along with the rest of the hoards of virtual champions of zionism are here to further reinforce the echo chamber that is beginning to show cracks!
I have three times posted the link to the disabled Palestinian man getting abused and assaulted by a zionist vigilante thug and you seem to wish to step over that and instead emphasise on kabuki!
I don’t want to stress you out old chap! Take it for granted the fake dissident is dissenting against anyone who is not buying into the oligarch owned media and state propaganda narrative. Further your own experience of Russophiles that you seem to believe are wrong and standing up for the wrong side of the “justice” is the weakness that the fake dissident is using to carry on its mission to reinforce the bullshit and keep the echo chamber tight and clean from any other spurious noises!
Chris Rogers has set out the Hersh books that were outlining the strategy of the Bu$h doctrine thought out by those “law abiding” neocon, yet you seem to still believe in the cock and bull yarn of “protests”!!!
Just check out the wars in the Mid east and along Africa! Nine wars are being fought! Libya you say was a protest, it was a kabuki Protest is when a grandma stands in front of the shop and show her finger!!
Protest is Not to inject mercenaries and then declare a no fly zone and then pummel the force of the relevant government ultimately handing over the husk of the once country to the mercenaries and the lawless brigands to rule and to destroy any probable chance of competing in the modern world!
Assad was being entertained in the No 10, and was meeting the queen and was to be given an honour and shit, he suddenly is the “dictator” the fall from the best pal to dictator in so few a years!!!
Clark the empire is fraying at the edges, the last gasp of the empire to assert itself has gone tits up the minions are now acting as per their own whims, as the al suad and turkish leadership are doing so. You are still looking for the “signed records” notarised affidavits of who did what to whom and why?
Talk about titanic and the deck chair rearrangements
“Evidently the US does not engage in ‘regime change’, confines itself to domestic issues, has no neocons direction overseas policy and is a beacon go hope we should all follow”
Which of course is not what I said – but you have to draw a straw man in order to justify your slavish support for the “line”. The fact that things may be a little more complicated than the Great evil US and its allies and the rest all being good guys and gals is obviously a problem that you are unable to cope with – hence your cognitive dissonance or badges of honour as you call them.
Clark calm down – there are in my opinion some human views that cannot be reconciled and which have to be opposed.
“Neither of you give a damn about the suffering.”
That is just not true in my case – go and look at my posts regarding refugees from Syria when it first started.
@RD,
Yes, my ‘slavish support for the line”, must be a big problem, as no doubt is my alleged ‘cognitive dissonance’, an issue that the USA seems to suffer from in spades, rather than myself.
Regrettably, when I look at my daughter i often think how lucky we are, despite suffering real financial hardship presently, for even though I despair and get depressed, at least I’m aware my own daughter is safe and has never witnessed the horrors the USA and its numerous cohorts inflict on many day after day. I could apply the same to Russia, but Russian chicanery is on a much lower scale than that of the USA and its willing accomplices – you can imagine my horror when our own Parliament decided to vote for our own military to intervene in Syria, which by my knowledge the legitimate syrian Government has not invited them to do so.
Still as I write this on a small island in the South China Sea, i’m reminded how from the 50’s to the 80’s the USA caused great chaos across the region I now find myself in, and am thankful that it is quite peaceable down here, apart from the antics of the USA and China vying for power and influence. Luckily my daughter does not know the horrors of war and one does not desire to inflict such horrors on other children wherever they may reside. But alas, we now have a former US Secretary of State, on the record when issuing support to one Hilary Clinton that 250,000 infant deaths in Iraq caused by Western sanctions was worth it!!!!!
And then i look into my own daughters eyes, I note she has concerns and she’s only 8, but she’s aware of some realities, despite her parents doing the best to hide them from her.
But alas I’m suffering from a ‘cognitive dissonance’. I only wish that were true, so can quite well under Stand’s clark’s depressed state, for sometimes what we witness all around us really is too much, and the reality is such distress and such horrors I’d not wish on anyone – just a shame our political leaders are incapable of such sentiment, which is why I too lament.
Bombing our kids and our future generations solves fuck all, unless you are into genocide, which thankfully this “useless idiot” is not!!!!!!!!
“But alas I’m suffering from a ‘cognitive dissonance’.”
This is of course an allegation you made of myself a few days ago. I of course fee exactly the same when I look at my Anglo Russian daughters – and wonder why Putin is bombing on a far greater scale hiding under the pathetic excuse that he was invited in by the despotic Assad. I also remember how it was our fault rather than the terrorists when innocent people were murdered in Paris and elsewhere.
RD,
You claim Russia/Putin are bombing on a far greater scale in Syria than the US’Turkey/Saud axis, and by extension are purposefully targeting innocents – I cannot subscribe to that view, and those unbiased Blogs that have focused militarily on the situation in Syria and present R+6 campaign to dislodge the hand choppers from Syria, refute any suggestion that they indiscriminately target innocents – none of us deny innocents are getting killed, but then again the R+6 does not engage in using civilians as human shields!
However, here’s a reminder, bombs and heavy ordinance are non-discriminate, they kill all in their blast range, regardless of being civilians or combatants – so, if we are to lessen the losses its necessary for the R+6 to end the war with a complete military victory ASAP, thereby lessening, not increasing the loss of life to civilians if this conflict drags on, as it has done so since 2011, despite the Western bombing campaign led by the USA.
As for Paris, evidently you are correct that the perpetrators were evil, regrettably we also have ‘blowback’, in that those evil bastards were egged on by events in the Middle East and North Africa, and justified their actions by Western actions in the region. Again, two wrongs don’t make a right and I for one would not hesitate to put a bullet in the head of these maniacs if handed a gun.
But for the West and Zionists not to expect ‘blowback’ or recognise ‘blowback’ is staggering, but that by no means suggests that I applaud these actions, quite the reverse I’m afraid as already stated.
How can you truly give a fig for others in the abstract? The suffering of innocents must have a face but the face you see most consistently is that of your reflection on the monitor. I can hear the protests based on the effort to appear as the most compassionate of all, but it’s hollow without commensurate behaviors. It’s easier to love the whole World than just one person. That’s truly a challenge as y’all demonstrate every fucking day.
@Chris Rogers, reading your exchanges with both RD & Clark, is really a Ground Hog/Deja Vue experience for me, as I’ve had the same exchanges & made the same points, more than a few times, and for my efforts was/am repeatedly accused of being on the pay-roll of the Kremlin ! It’s easy to imagine that in times of war or increased tensions, how many people with conscientious objects to crude blatant lying propaganda, were labeled as paid-traitors, and dealt with accordingly.
Regarding the Cruise Missiles Lefties like RD, you are being far too generous; these hypocrites who suspposedly care & shed tears for the poor Syrians, by calling for their President & their Country to bombed into another Iraq, just like RD also did iro Libya, sorry but I’m with Finkelstein, in that I don’t buy theses phony crocodile tears; if there was an ounce of compassion in any of these fake Lefties, they would be up in arms about the plight of the Palestinians, nevermind trying to mitigate and/or excuse Israeli barbarism, as they so often do.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6O5zgXeCynQ
Macky, you could still dispel my suspicions of your being on the Kremlin payroll. One way would be to write to me again and discuss my concerns. You have shown compassion towards me of late but many other matters remain outstanding. I still have concerns regarding your honesty and/or your degree of self-knowledge.
Commenters claim to be innocent of posting on behalf of other interests. This may be so or it may not; it is impossible to tell. If they are innocent as they claim, then human nature is the root cause of the aggression,and that is actually worse!
Ironic that there is more hope if these threads really are infested with agents. Ironic that I should indeed hope to be surrounded by, effectively, the secret police of various countries.
Ben, 4:56 pm: you are right; I cannot care about people I do not know as individuals.
However, I can imagine the destruction of a town, an area, the displacement of a community and the complete disruption of its members’ way of life. I can imagine, say, the devastation of Tang Hall on the outskirts of York where I used to live. I can imagine, for instance, my former neighbour Tet and her children, their home in ruins, forced to leave and walk hundreds of miles, instead of the kids sneaking onto my garage roof for a game, laughing and mucking about. By comparison with that which I know, I feel for those that I don’t.