Jimmy Savile met the Royal family not just on many official occasions, but frequently socially. He was a private Hogmanay guest of the Prime Minister on seven occasions. Of course not only on 31 December, I just think that fact illustrates how close he was.
I do not believe that all of these people knew nothing about his persistent and repeated behaviour.
It is not only that I do not believe they could fail to notice. It is that anyone with that level of frequent access to the Prime Minister, other ministers and Royal family would be checked out by the security services. He would not have experienced full positive vetting (now called direct vetting), but a level of vetting would have been carried out on Savile himself. And many of his friends were subject to frequent direct vetting and it is impossible that a picture of Savile would not have built up tangentially. MI5, Special Branch (now also renamed) and GCHQ have tens of thousands of employees. What do you think these people do all day?
When I passed my last direct vetting, the interviewing officer had spent four months of his life doing nothing but investigate me full time. He noted that I continued to have a rather extensive love life, but as it involved only consenting adults and I did not appear open to blackmail, it was no reason to fail me. We discussed this openly. He concluded by saying – and this may not be 100% his words but it is damn close and the sentiment was certainly this:
“Makes a change to be looking at relationships with women in a Foreign Office case. It’s usually small boys!”
We both laughed. Now I swear to you, at the time I really did think he was just joking. I must have been very naïve.
I first heard about Savile on a BBC local radio programme 7 or 8 years ago.
The studio guest who made the comment was Ray Gosling and he was a little bit ‘tired’, shall we say. A few seconds after his comment the entire programme was pulled ‘due to a technical problem’ and replaced by incidental music.
A few weeks later, I had occasion to meet the said journalist and took the opportunity to quiz him on the subject. His takr was that everyone knows what goes on with Savile but there is no chance of him getting lifted.
Apparently, the nearest was when the Police in Scotland deling with his holiday home told him to ‘get out of town and don’t come back’ after one complint against him.
Oooops, that’ll teach me to put on my glasses before posting.
Craig Murray
27/02/16 2:34pm
Let’s take it that you are right and that the security services knew all about Savile’s predilection for underage boys and girls.
And yet his friendships with the good and the great were permitted to continue.
What conclusions do you, personally, draw from this, if any? I’m curious.
Thanks, John
I’ve always though it impossible that someone who spent so much time with Thatcher, the royals and other establishment figures would not have been vetted by MI5.
Given that, surely the security services must have known at least some of what he was up to.
Charles in particular spent a fair amount of time with him and clearly thought very highly of him. Were he, and other top figures warned of the dangers of association with him? If not, why not? There is a tendency to tar people with the brush of their friends (unreasonable though that might be). Surely that must have concerned them.
Did they not care? Did they think that they were above all that? Or because they enjoyed his company did they order that he be protected?
He was reported to have hidden, behind his tomfoolery, not only a weird sexual appetite, but a stunning intellect.
Was that his attraction to them?
With the Jim’l’fix it producer saying that youngsters were not to be left alone with Sir Jimmy, it doesn’t take much to come to the conclusion that senior BBC management knew fine well about his activities. Did said producer make this ruling ? Aye right.
It came from a level above him. Does anyone actually believe that at the senior level people don’t gossip ?
The report is all about utilising cut offs. The wee people are left out to dry. It’s why Rebecca B isn’t stitching mailbags right now. Coulson was the cut off. If RB was given up, then the digger was under threat.
If nothing else, you have to hand it to the depraved old bastard. He really knew how to manipulate those in power, and with his access to the very pit of the establishment, no doubt he had many a sordid tale to tell.
This, I am sure of, is why he was left to die before it was all allowed to come out. Who would he have taken down with him, and is this the reason he was untouchable ?
John
My conclusion is that Savile was not at all unique and the security services were well-used to covering up this peccadillo for establishment figures.
Craig Murray
27/02/16 3:18pm
Many thanks for responding. I have seen talk on line of Savile being some sort of procurer for well known establishment figures. I wondered if you gave any credence to that. Reading the Smith report, the narrative of his assaults, while graphic and shocking, does not seem to support that, more that he was an opportunistic predator.
I do not believe Smith’s conclusions that higher management knew nothing of Savile’s activities.
Kind regards,
John
John
His access to the pop scene put him in a great position to procure and introduce girls/boys to establishment figures who might have found them harder to access. Opportunity and motive certainly. Wouldn’t like to claim it definitely happened.
Yesterday morning in a brief and weird 5Live discussion between Liz Kershaw and Nicky Campbell they basically openly admit they knew, everyone knew, for decades. But it was the culture, they were young, we only have short term contracts…yes, this was actually said. You almost had to feel sorry for them.
Hear institutionalised careerists rationalise complicity in paedophilia. Campbell, the bold asker of big questions, the epitomy of BBC values, barely blinks. “Lots of things were said” he explains. Outfuckingstanding. Normalising propaganda must be a comparative walk in the park.
On iplayer. Starts at 1:39:40: http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b0717344
Craig I thought DV clearance was Developed Vetting? I think it may have been called Deep Vetting at some stage.)
I know a very sweet petit woman who had DV clearance – two spies interviewed her with delightful questions like “are you promiscuous”? I think she ended up working on Habbas software at GCHQ.
A company I was at about 5 years ago wanted me to get DV but I took one look at the paperwork and thought fuck that.
I do not believe that all of these people knew nothing about his persistent and repeated behaviour.
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I agree wholeheartedly that the security services knew exactly what Savile was doing.
Savile was in the ideal position to provide (illicit services for his powerful protectors).
Indeed many papers reported that Savile met with high ranking officers at his flat, which came to be known as the Friday Morning Club.
The establishment (from the very top) is riddled with deviants and perverts, who are protected and blackmailed by security services around the world.
I find it quite unbelievable that Royalty and Margaret Thatcher, and the BBC for that matter, didn’t know about Saviles neferious activities.
He kept BBC ratings high and his charity work at hospitals was seen as admirable. Therefore it’s well within the realms of possibly that the BBC, could’ve turned a blind eye to his lewd actions. I read that he even had the keys to a hospital to let himself in and out on a regular basis.
More disturbingly according to the Guardian newspaper Savile told staff he’d performed sexual acts on dead bodies, a kind of boastful necrophiliac.
http://www.theguardian.com/media/2014/jun/26/savile-bodies-sex-acts-corpses-glass-eyes-mortuary
The most plausible scenario to explain Savile’s relationship with prime ministers, princes and police chiefs is that pedophilia is integral to the power structure of the UK.
Savile they did not know!
Janner they knew but the coppers did not think it would be in the public interest to arrest him, and later when the cops changed their mind DPP decided there was an insufficient case to prosecute, when that went belly up to, there was a trail of facts and the old bastards who pontificated the prosecution of old men getting carted around on their death beds to answer for their crimes in the past century. This old tosser then made an appearance and played the court for chumps and the trail of facts was put on hold and then fortuitously the old pervert dropped dead.
Brittan was given the dossier on the peado perverts of the Westminster so he knew what was in the public domain and he made provisions for wholesale brushing under carpet.
Isn’t there a common thread here? These perverts are beyond the laws and they can get way with committing the most heinous crimes, and when it all comes to light everyone throws their hands in the air an pleads; I knew nuffin bro
This is quite appropriate. Maggie`ll-Fix-It.
http://internationaltimes.it/maggiell-fix-it/
This piece read by Alan Cox.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cf6CvVDjrJk&feature=youtu.be
“Craig I thought DV clearance was Developed Vetting?”
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You got something right at last.
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“I think it may have been called Deep Vetting at some stage.)”
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“He would not have experienced full positive vetting (now called direct vetting)”
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He wouldn’t.
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“..but a level of vetting would have been carried out on Savile himself.”
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Hmmm. In any event, much depends on the level of clearance sought. The lowest level is not onerous.
So you mean establishment is a gateway to paedophile perversion?
“Hmmm. In any event, much depends on the level of clearance sought. The lowest level is not onerous.”
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Habb.
Basically what you’re saying is Savile probably wouldn’t have been deep vetted, even though he had regualr access to Dobby, aka Prince Charles. Old Droopy Chops aka HRH Lizzie, and the Dirty Duck, aka Prince Philip.
Not mention access to several royal residences…hmmm?
Blimey, The Daily Telegraph covers it…they don’t normally bother covering anything that is going on in London.
Did anyone photograph it with a drone?
Meanwhile, my wife was at the Theatre…
Full Tilt – she said it was Brill…
I can see I am going to get dragged back to London soon
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/12176022/Thousands-join-biggest-anti-Trident-demonstration-of-its-kind-for-a-generation.html
Tony
Don’t know much about the other regions and councils, but the way unfair elections have dealt the Tory’s their fortunes in the East here, is being used to give Osborne a big hard one during his budget speech, allegedly.
Somebody, very likely part of the devolution crowd, leaked the first design of administration and new tax raising powers for our unaccountable party politicians.
It is rumoured that ESSEX is now also looking at it and smarting to join, well maybe, when the boat has come in….
http://www.edp24.co.uk/news/politics/leaked_documents_reveal_devolution_deal_for_east_anglia_including_new_taxes_and_oyster_cards_1_4435694
Habb,
So did Mary get you right?
She thought you were that Twat who occasionally has an article in The Daily Telegraph.
Surely Not.
Have The UK’s Diplomatic Standards fallen so low??
Yeh, O.K. I believe you.
Tony
Habbabkuk 6:55 pm:
So these “levels of clearance”; what level(s) would Savile have needed to have been permitted to associate and visit as he is known to have done? And what vetting procedures were required for Savile to have been granted that or those levels of clearance?
“The most plausible scenario to explain Savile’s relationship with prime ministers, princes and police chiefs is that pedophilia is integral to the power structure of the UK.”
I don’t think that there can be much doubt about it.
Nor is it unrelated to the crucial role that “parish apprentices” (aka children abducted from poor families) played in the establishment of the factory system. One has to understand that any society that could countenance the treatment to which innocent children were subjected in, for example, the mines up until the mid C19th, would regard the dirty little games of pedophiles, for which the ‘Great Public Schools’ are famed, complacently.
Dickens’s Dotheboys Hall served all manner of purposes. Like Saville (Thatcher’s anti-Scargill) it was set in Yorkshire.
Clark,
My daughter, before she went to University – she is 25 now, but she still looks 17. Pretty girl…
In between or maybe even before the London Demo’s
She volunteered for these TV shows…
Just kids dancing at the front on Channel 4 – and The BBC…
But not just music stuff
She said – The BBC would build an entire scene…and their Parties..were like…well no expense spared…
Whereas Channel 4 would do the same thing for less than one tenth the cost – and use a Real Pub for a Scene…and Their Parties were Better than The BBC’s.
None of these people were horrible in any way to my daughter…
And yes I have seen her on TV
Then she went to University
Now she is back home…
Its her life – and she lives it.
(Far Better photographer than me)
Tony
I had the misfortune to be in the same BBC studio as Savile twice, as a very young musician. I knew zero about his shenanigans as an abuser, but he did strike me, and most of the other musicians present, as a complete narcissist and nut case. His conversation was spectacularly inane, self absorbed and attention seeking. I wondered at the time how this sociopath could possibly be patronised by royalty and the upper crust of politics and the media.
Then, as now, there was a cavalcade of truly ghastly celebs who seem capable of defeating very basic critical faculties among those they somehow impress.
About 5-8 years ago, We saw this band in a different local town…and I says to them…come down my local for the jam night..and hopefully you will get a gig (they pay well)…and I had told her they were coming (the person who makes the decisions) and it was a brilliant night…but she wasn’t there…she was off playing Bingo…
And so my wife and I saw them again in another local town…and at the end of the gig…I asked em -have you got a T-Shirt – Fat Bastard Size – and we were sort of negotiating about the Price…
So I wore it down my local pub – until they got a gig…
They are on tonight…
Will it still fit me?
Fkin Damn Right if I can find it.
They also do Rage Against Machine…occasionally
Tony
Exactly.
They vetted Jimmy Savile extensively and found no sign of wrongdoing.
Doesn’t that perhaps indicate to you that he might have been innocent?
Chris
27/02/16 9:06pm
Have you read the Jimmy Savile Investigation Report by Dame Janet Smith DBE, published 25/02/16, and available here:
http://downloads.bbci.co.uk/bbctrust/assets/files/pdf/our_work/dame_janet_smith_review/savile/jimmy_savile_investigation.pdf
Do the contents of this report suggest to your mind that Jimmy Savile was innocent? I commend Chapter 5 to your attention in particular.
Kind regards,
John
RoS
“The establishment (from the very top) is riddled with deviants and perverts, who are protected and blackmailed by security services around the world.”
Hey, leave us deviants out of this mate. Most on here are, by fact of being here.
🙂