Jimmy Savile met the Royal family not just on many official occasions, but frequently socially. He was a private Hogmanay guest of the Prime Minister on seven occasions. Of course not only on 31 December, I just think that fact illustrates how close he was.
I do not believe that all of these people knew nothing about his persistent and repeated behaviour.
It is not only that I do not believe they could fail to notice. It is that anyone with that level of frequent access to the Prime Minister, other ministers and Royal family would be checked out by the security services. He would not have experienced full positive vetting (now called direct vetting), but a level of vetting would have been carried out on Savile himself. And many of his friends were subject to frequent direct vetting and it is impossible that a picture of Savile would not have built up tangentially. MI5, Special Branch (now also renamed) and GCHQ have tens of thousands of employees. What do you think these people do all day?
When I passed my last direct vetting, the interviewing officer had spent four months of his life doing nothing but investigate me full time. He noted that I continued to have a rather extensive love life, but as it involved only consenting adults and I did not appear open to blackmail, it was no reason to fail me. We discussed this openly. He concluded by saying – and this may not be 100% his words but it is damn close and the sentiment was certainly this:
“Makes a change to be looking at relationships with women in a Foreign Office case. It’s usually small boys!”
We both laughed. Now I swear to you, at the time I really did think he was just joking. I must have been very naïve.
MJ I am not so sure Justice has been done. There are credible reports that by 2002 sufficient evidence existed to prosecute the offenders – I would guess a lot of crimes were committed post 2002.
Investigative journalists were on to this case a long time ago – and perhaps as may be expected they were met with a volley of abuse claiming they were racist. Who are these people so keen to prevent justice being done by launching a “racist smear campaign”? Why are they not being named and shamed and held accountable for their obstructive actions by wielding the sword of political correctness.
The prosecutions that have taken place are unlikely to encompass the full gamut of abusers.
Jimmy Savile continues to be of interest to the great and the good. Jimmy Savile is dead and nothing can be done to either bring him to justice or to prevent further offending. Perhaps that is the reason for the ongoing interest in this man. Aint it strange how an obsession with Savile just happens to minimize attention on actual living criminals.
Is it not a cause for concern that a whole range of agencies and individual professionals prefer to turn a blind eye to crimes for fear of being branded racist. Is this an attitude that is conducive to the maintenance of law and order? Is this helpful to justice? Why are these questions not being asked, and why are the assumptions of the elite regarding what constitutes racism not being held up to public scrutiny?
What on earth possibly could a person do that knows a few PM’s? who has had good channels to Governments of both kinds, Labour and Tory’s, who has run rings around the police, indeed keeps a weekly relationship behind four walls with them, its not that the local community was invited, was it?
Maybe you also ought to look at the history of his visits to jersey’s Haute la Garenne, view and read of countless open door hospital and infirmary visits within the NHS, sic.
Chris, your post is not even an argument and as your supporter H would have said, you’ve just been used to wipe the floor with.
Leave you all to play with this clown, I’m tired.
“We’re not talking about the Krays here. What on Earth could he have possibly done?”
Mention it to his mates in the IRA.
Auntie is touting the civil service denying access, arbitrarily no doubt, to EU documentation as “Government not neutral- Hammond” on the news home page, and as a second story in politics.
Is this cricket ?
The state broadcaster was an awfy powerful weapon when it was deployed for Indyref1.
I’m really surprised at the attitude to Sir Jimmy Savile in these comments. How come you hardened conspiracy theorists can’t see what’s happening?
The government wants to privatise the BBC. Might not a pretext be helpful?
That’s a hell of a back story to construct, to influence charter renewal doings son.
Chris:
They’ll have a hard job privatising it, if the people have torn every trace of it down with their bare hands, leaving nothing to privatise but rubble, and some land for sale. Even Saatchi and Saatchi would struggle with that one. Nothing to do with Savile though, they’re just shit and evil, irredeemable liars and frauds, day in and day out, all our lives. They’re simply poison for the mind. Quality production and talented artistes will always out, always succeed, but innumerable layers of callous management, nepotees, talentless deadwood, will find out their real worth outside their Aunties’ and Uncles’ fond caress. Run them out of town, pretexts can come later.
The well-deserved break-up and annihilation of the BBC cannot come quickly enough, it is inevitable given total public revulsion and disgust, again I repeat their swollen cadre of predatory paedophiles, including Savile, least significant amongst reasons.
So say your goodbyes. With the time approaching midnight, these stations are now closing down. It’s goodnight from them. Thank Fuck.
There are bigger issues desiring attention, RobG is not nearly alarmist enough in ramming home that we are all eating, drinking and breathing plutonium amongst other fatal matter, and that we are amongst the last relatively healthy (for now) humans to inhabit the earth, perhaps the last -full-stop.
AJ ‘ 1;24 Am
And Mr Vile found a Very Remote house too, to think I have driven past the joint many times.
https://www.pressandjournal.co.uk/fp/news/inverness/566785/police-tape-at-savile-home/
OT but I would really like to know Craig and others views on the SNP State Guardian system. It doesn’t affect me personally but it sounds very creepy. Beginning to regret voting SNP although I believe this policy will eventually be rolled out throughout the UK. What does Nicola know about bringing up kids ?
Fedup: I didn’t note those named places you said to search for and the information is now gone, (though I doubt any search engine would give useful links) along with my own (tongue-in-cheek? 8:02pm on-topic post ‘undermining’ the BBC) post and I suspect several other posts by others too. Can you repost sometime in some way that gets past the unsubtle, quite staggering censorship on here, the details so obviously objected to.
Beth, I’d like to try and answer your question, but alas on this board you get…
Beth: Very much an oft-heard woman’s dig at Nicola Sturgeon, nudged along by a vicious press. Shameless concern trolling, you fit right in here.
Beth.
Whatever you think of the Guardian system, WTF has a lack of parental experience got to do with making social policy ?
Before you are born, the state has a duty of care for you, and professionals are held legally responsible for its safe delivery.
Same through birth, post natal care …
I’m not sure on this. It blurs the boundary between public & private life. Oversight is fine, if it actually helps ensure we give every child a chance of success & of becoming sane happyish citizens. Interference ?
Ha ha ha, how keen to prove me right you are HEB. Like I said, one could explain a thing all day to you and you’d still be as obtuse as ever.
One more time, just for tedium’s sake: Yes, had Savile addressed the Norwegian parliament that would have been significant and I’d have whacked it in there. But what the hell, why don’t I just plead guilty – guilty of failing to discuss things that didn’t happen. Perpetually keen as you are to hold up hoops for others to jump through, here’s one for you: Please provide a list of all the other things that didn’t happen along with a demand that we address them.
As for bloviation: Ha ha ha ha ha ha, talk about the pot and the kettle! At “least” my “stuff” is “good” for “a” giggle. Oh sorry, I don’t know what came over me there. I think I caught your EIFAD (Excessive and Irony Free Apostrophe Disease). Honestly HEB, apostrophes on people’s names and you with the most absurd moniker here, not forgetting around a misspelling that didn’t exist in the original, it’s sophomoric to the point of embarrassing. You might want to rethink that one.
Or carry on! What do I care? I’m bored with this conversation. Sure it’s fun baiting hasbara arseholes but then it just gets tiresome. So to bring things to a close, I’ve one final hoop for you to jump through: I demand you behave like an obvious and predictable hasbara one trick pony that has to have the last word. I know, you know, we all know you can’t not do it. Go HEB! Dance to my organ grinder’s tune!
Ha ha ha ha ha ha.
PS. Don’t forget to use more apostrophes to show how little effect I had on you. And you should double down on your thanks in advance gag. I think I speak for everyone here in saying we were all very impressed by it the first time and no doubt it’ll be twice as good the second time round. Don’t worry I won’t laugh at you for proving me right on you being sophomoric. I swear!
@ craig 27 Feb, 2016 – 3:18 pm
‘John
My conclusion is that Savile was not at all unique and the security services were well-used to covering up this peccadillo for establishment figures.’
They not just ‘covered it up’, they used it to blackmail the perverts: ‘Kincora investigation to be re-opened’:
http://www.sundayworld.com/news/northern-ireland/kincora-investigation-to-be-re-opened
And then the back-pedalling: ‘Child abuse: Amnesty condemns exclusion of Kincora scandal from UK inquiry’:
https://www.amnesty.org.uk/press-releases/child-abuse-amnesty-condemns-exclusion-kincora-scandal-uk-inquiry
‘Colin Wallace: Any Kincora inquiry ‘must have full access’:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-28390411
@ Tony_0pmoc 28 Feb, 2016 – 3:38 am
‘Defo,
She used to go to the gym right opposite where we worked in Fulham…
no big deal – she used to take her kids – to the Ballet on the South Bank at the same time – same gig – as did my wife with mine…
I was gutted when she died – and I experienced it the flower garden in London
I thought it was just an accident…but as I got older I gradually came to realise why Princess Diana and The President of The United States of America John F Kennedy were ASSASSINATED
The Fascists are Not Nice.
I don’t like Them.
Tony.’
Yes, they were both assassinated. A very good book, ‘How They Murdered Princess Diana: The Shocking Truth’ by John Morgan (he has written about ten books on the subject) explains how it was done.
Here is a twenty minute interview with Morgan:
‘Princess Diana Death: The Shocking Truth’:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZCXsVc_QWIw
Mayeux Wren-as a constant viewer here but a very infrequent contributor, I must say I enjoy your contributions and those of Rob. Makes me think there is still hope, albeit perhaps not much.
Neil Clark reminds us that having the moral conviction & courage to call things by their proper names, ie just speaking the truth, something everybody states they value, support & believe in, can be fatal;
https://www.rt.com/op-edge/333886-olof-palme-sweden-anniversary-murder/
Defo Stfu I suppose you think you know as much as other people in careers you have never had. So I should be able to run the country despite the fact I have had no experience in politics.
Anyhoo, someone said something about the ‘Liberals of today will be the fascists of tomorrow’
I was just looking for an excuse to include this memorable quote. Thank you.
…the political bourgeoisie is about to leave the stage of history. In its place advance the oppressed producers of the head and hand, the forces of Labor, to begin their historical mission
***Joseph Goebbels, 1927***
A political opportunist is a political opportunist, however you cut it.
Great post and articles and, above all, site and PERSON!
So, ‘vetting’ means finding something for blackmailing!?…
Do we need to conclude that EVERYTHING is upside down and inside out?
My late husband used to say that the Government always achieves the opposite of what it sets out to do… So child ‘protection’ is child ‘persecution’.
What do YOU suggest might be most effective?
As ‘public interest whistleblower’ I’m facing prison for having helped the mother of the two ‘whistleblower kids’ in the ‘Hampstead Scandal’…
But we did win a ‘costs’ case against the Treasury Solicitors’ Office: http://mckenzie-friends.co.uk/2016/02/25/belindaprochild-no-costs-to-pay-in-the-case-of-melissa-laird-mckenziefriends/
and we have a petition open at the EU: https://www.change.org/p/eu-parliament-abolish-adoptions-without-parental-consent/u/15611582
Human Rights Activists Unite!
With all our e-strength!
Sabine
http://www.sabinemcneill.co.uk
Defo my last comment was meant for tony. Sorry.
Brian Fujisan mentions Savile’s Glencoe retreat. Savile bought this from Hamish McInnes (mountaineer, mountain rescue innovator) – who at the time seems to have regarded Savile as a good friend. However, when the scandal broke, McInnes expressed his shock –
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/hamish-macinnes-duped-by-jimmy-savile-1532157
I’ve never been a great fan of McInnes (I’ve met him), but if he says he was unaware of Savile’s propensities, I believe him. I also think (despite various police statements indicating otherwise) that concealing your activities in a Highland community is next-to-impossible, and it’s quite likely that nothing untoward happened there. The house is, after all, right on what passes locally as a main road, and at the start of a well-trodden walking/climbing route in a popular tourist area.
In Memoriam: Father Jack Hackett.
http://ecclesandbosco.blogspot.co.uk/2016/02/in-memoriam-father-jack-hackett.html
Feck.
@ Chris 28 Feb, 2016 – 1:05 pm
Any “report” made into Jimmy Savile after his death is meaningless. It’s shameful and vile to label a man a criminal when he’s no longer around to defend himself.
Well that’s not true, I spent a lot of time with the extremely nice guy who built the (alleged) ‘world’s first disco equipment’ for J.$avile. This ex-royal signals electronics expert (Jack E. Axxxxxx) who lived in a small terraced house in Otley, West Yorkshire, described to me how he personally built the valve amplifiers in the 50’s for $avile’s dance hall experiments with amplified music from 78 platters.
He described $avile to me as “evil”, this was in 1973-4. When Jack talked about Jimm:)y $avile he didn’t specify which particular evilness was attributed to $avile, though Jack seemed to shudder as a wraith passed over his head, I think additionally J$ also ‘forgot’ to pay Jack for the home-brew amplifier/speaker system.
reports after death can certainly convey more truth than a sanitised version during life, and hindsight is wonderful, tho’ not necessarily helpful.
‘It’s difficult enough to place oneself in the mind of these paedophiles, but the idea that the state itself is using them to its own ends, supplying them and then holding the evidence gleaned against them, is torture to the soul.’
That’s a fair point Herbie, and seems likely to have applied in the Kincora and Dutroux instances- but such a claim has no relevance here wrt Savile.To repeat, there is no doubting that Savile was a sexual predator who sometimes used under aged partners; in the music biz world that was a characteristic he had in common with (and these are just documented examples) Jerry Lee Lewis, Chuck Berry, David Cassidy, Jimmy Page, Bill Wyman and John Peel. I wouldn’t call any of these guys, or Savile, a paedophile, they were just sexual opportunists who were oblivious to the letter of the law as it applies to the age of consent.
Neither the Dame Janet Smith Report, nor any of the commenters here, have produced hard evidence to show that Savile was in some sense part of a paedophile ring, or a procurer to the rich and famous a la Jeffrey Epstein. All the evidence points to him being a creepy loner who rarely socialised with colleagues and only once, for a brief period, lived with anyone other than his mother. The idea that he was some sort of smooth talking ‘fixer’ who not only enjoyed young flesh himself, but procured it for others, is quite far fetched.
“The government wants to privatise the BBC.”
I just took a look at the BBC website and Nicola Sturgeon is giving David Cameron advice on how to win a referendum.
Brightened up my day that did.
At a slight tangent to the main topic, the international (originally Australian) law firm Slater & Gordon, who as ‘personal injury’ specialists represent some of Savile’s alleged victims, seems to have hit an iceberg and may soon be down and out-
http://annaraccoon.com/2016/02/29/the-slater-and-gordon-false-allegations-popcorn-show/#comments
“Any “report” made into Jimmy Savile after his death is meaningless. It’s shameful and vile to label a man a criminal when he’s no longer around to defend himself”
Child abuse is shameful and vile. Attempting to achieve justice for the victims is not. There were a couple of attempts to bring charges while he was alive but the alleged victims were persuaded to drop charges by Savile’s legal team, who threatened counter-charges of defamation if they proceeded.
Old Mark
I agree with most of what you say. In affairs like this there is always a tendency for some people – even many people – to try and create a wider context. The reasons for that are varied – they could be political, they could be the externalisation of a disaffection with society, it could simply be for the same reasons that most people like a good detective or ghost story.
This was certainly the case with the Dutroux child abductions and killings in Belgium. There were all sorts of rumours and theories floating around at the time about some vast paedophile network involving politicians, judges, police generals, royalty and supplying children across the whole of Europe. But all of them turned out to be complete nonsense. The truth probably is that an individual can get away with a lot provided that the surrounding culture is favorable (eg, people mind their own business a little too much) and the individual keeps under the radar.