At 8.30pm tonight I am going to have a streamed live chat with Independence Live, on various subjects including of course Scottish Independence. It is interesting because they are setting it up using Blab, a programme which enables you to appear and join in the conversation. This is experimental for me. I believe that you may need a twitter account to sign in to blab and join in, but that you should be able just to watch on the Independence Live website without signing in. I am investigating if it will be possible to stream it on this site as well.
If we like the technology, I might use it to host a series of chats on this site, where I sit down with a whisky in hand and ruminate, and you can pop up and join in.
Join the Blab!
This is a livestream, Blab interview. If you would like to jump on and join the panel then follow the link below. You will need your Twitter login details to join panel, or you can just observe. https://blab.im/independence-live-craig-murray-interview
RobG: “Glenn_uk, if you read my blog, and particularly my recent post about Indian Point, you might have some chance of surviving, instead of dying like a dumb animal.”
Really? There might be salvation? I thought my only chance was to be hung or shot, according to your various denouncements. You mean I might be just irradiated instead, unless if I follow your directions! Praise the Lord! Laws A’ Mercy! Halla-lool’ya!
The translucent Truths
viscous voices lost and found
science saves and kills
I thought I had fcked it up…well I knew the photography was O.K….but I didn’t realise..I got – well even the sound.
I am actually very happy with that
They are our friends – though some of us only met today for the first time.
We smiled a lot
The Band Were Brilliant – I caught a bit.
Tony
I am a vulnerable human being too. I do not like to be attacked by people who in some way think they are superior to me.
I do not argue with them…I just say yes (can you just go away please).
They provoked me – and I didn’t react.
It does their heads in.
The Bullies don’t know what to do…
Until They See The MASSIVE ATTACK coming in..
“Massive Attack – Unfinished Sympathy”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWmrfgj0MZI
Tony
Leon,
I would imagine any future theme picked will be perfectly usable with Javascript off.
Tony,
https://squonk.tk/blog/2015/03/15/the-general-discussion-thread/comment-page-58/#comment-22268
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It’s OK Lysias. I think I’ve found the version you mean. It even has English subtitles.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1t6W9hkXV6g&list=PL5F53D266E7688852
Pity about the adverts.
Quite significant that our Transatlantic Friend – who normally responds to my comments within the half hour – fell mysteriously silent after Mr Goss asked him for a link to the TV film version of Bulgakov’s “The Master and Margarita”, a film which our Transatlantic Friend gave every indication of having seen and been highly impressed by.
Perhaps our Transatlabtic Friend was too busy reading on his Kindle to have noticed Mr Goss’s request? Or, perhaps…….. 🙂
I don’t support Scottish independence although I support the language and the assembly. I’m fine with Craig running his own independent ticket and being a thorn in the SNP rose (or yeast in its sour dough), but Craig you started off that discussion with how you want Scotland to be independent and determine its own foreign policy and defence. Fine, but its not going to be independent in the EU. Your main reason for supporting Scottish Independence is because of UK foreign policy and in particular the invasion of Iraq and chaos caused in Syria. I agree we have run a terrible foreign policy and even if I were a cold hearted pragmatist I can’t see the benefit to the UK of so much destruction unless it is to support a policy which in effect says you go against dollar oil or US/UK interests you get chaos. I don’t know if that would be to our economic global geo-political interests but it would be inhumane and monstrous. I appreciate that you Craig have more cause and insight to be angry with UK foreign policy because of your personal experience. I do not agree that UK foreign policy is a reason to break up the UK. You say that your support is not for economic reasons but for foreign policy reasons. If the UK is really such a monster who would an independent Scotland turn to for support?
You say that if the UK votes out of EU and Scotland votes in then Scotland should declare UDI and that you are not a great believer in referenda because most countries become independent without them. There is an argument that referenda (no I think I prefer referendums) are typical dictator tactics to simulate democracy, but in deciding what people think about something as basic as leaving the UK they are an obviously as democratic a tool as there is. It is worrying that you suggest a referendum on the EU is a referendum on independence and that you care so little about the lack of accountability and democracy in the EU. I come to the conclusion that your anger (justified anger) with UK foreign policy is your key motivation.
I agree with Craig on many things but crap UK foreign policy does not justify the dismantling of the UK. Yet my thoughts are not so far away. I am an optimist and cynical. I think Craig is too. Small countries are more easily bought and so UK independent of the EU is worrying. Independent Scotland is even more worrying. Yet I appreciate accountability is easier to demand at the small scale (although councils get away without much local accountability). Yes an independent Scotland with an intelligent political population might keep its elite in check more easily than the peoples of Europe could keep the EU elite in check, but isn’t it easier to subvert and take control of an independent Scotland than the UK and Europe? That is my essential question for the EU referendum.
I asked a while ago whether the Ropers (referencing Hugh Laurie / Jonn le’ Carres guns for drugs Roper in the Night Manager i.e by Roper I refer to the world of arms, military, private intelligence, bankers and drug runners) of this world would support Britain in or out of Europe. I don’t think anyone thought that was a question worthy of a response, but I shall try again and extend it to include Scotland.
Who do we fear most:
Mr Roper, Mr MacRoper (sorry I do not really mean to imply that those who might subvert Scotland are actually likely to be Scottish) or Von Roper i.e. is the shadow to be most feared at work or capable of being at work in the UK, in Scotland or in Europe.
I accept that there can not but have been a shadow at work in the Uk, but if I were Roper the EU would be my target.
Happy to be persuaded otherwise, or to be directed to more positive issues!
Fwl
A well-argued post, thank you.
“I agree with Craig on many things but crap UK foreign policy does not justify the dismantling of the UK.”
One thing I’ve learnt about Nationalists is the nationalism comes first and the reasoning is invented later.
Take a look at Britain, it is a nation divided but not divided by an imaginary line on a map, real divisions. One division is the divide between rural and urban. A steel worker in Scotland is much the same as a steel worker in England, shop keepers are the same, teachers, nurses they are all the same but someone who lives in a city is not the same as someone who lives in the country.
Unfortunately there are a lot more people living in cities than live in the country so they have a lot more MPs and can dictate on matters they do not understand and do not affect them.
Maybe it’s time the ruralist declared UDI, at least their grievances are genuine not invented.
Thank you Habba, but do you have a view on whether the Ropers, who live in the shadows of this world would prefer the UK in or out of Europe?
Fred, I think with Craig it’s foreign policy and ethics which come first and nationalism second.
“Fred, I think with Craig it’s foreign policy and ethics which come first and nationalism second.”
Scotland has enough elected representatives playing at world politics when they should be looking after their constituents already.
lol. Thought i’d share, gave me a laugh. And it’s true.
‘We Need to Build a Wall… and we’ll make them pay for it’-
https://youtu.be/BjaRodhiqXE
Habb to Clarke.
Not up to much, just keeping my usual vigilant eye on the people commenting on CM.
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Your vigilant eye Habb, that sentence say all we need to know about you.
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BTW, I notice you had an ongoing spat with RobG and Republicofscotland yesterday evening. You shouldn’t – just make a couple of accurate, pithy replies to put them in their place and leave it at that. They are essentially non-serious commenters and are just having fun leading you on by the nose; don’t give them the satisfaction.
They are as fraudulent as the fantasist who calls himself “Lysias”.
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That is of course your opinion Habb, but patronising Clarke, whilst lurking on another blog, doesn’t exactly do you justice.
At least Clarke has what it takes to comment to me on Craig’s blog.
RoS,
The Troll has been invited to visit other blogs to add his opinion on, he does not take the offers though and continues his assaults on these boards, which seems strange as if he’s paid to do it.
Still you can all tolerate him as much as you like, for me at least i actually prefer corresponding with known entities who have no fear of identifying themselves. Alas, i’m but one of a handful who posts under their real name – can’t see what’s the point of hiding given any one who posts here is known to our security agencies.
Obviously, could try using Tor, but the buggers know who even download that.
Anyhow, the Troll did not join the video conversation, which says it all really.
I should have joined in, however timelines and a crap internet service made that virtually impossible – its difficult enough just writing at peak usage times when i’m down to dial-up speeds, and its bloody more expensive than the UK as well regrettably.
I supported the campaign, and still do in equality/fairness terms, in devotion terms, for people.
I don’t know all the factors, who does, but it seems the EU is actually worse in many ways at this moment. And even if it improves in the near future, the disruption of going to anther currency?
If it was as decisive as Craig makes out, but it’s clearly not. It’s not an immobile factor being in the UK. And it’s not like the social relations don’t exist in Scotland itself, over decades. It’s not that they won’t just disappear over night, I can’t see it making any real difference without movements that could do a lot now anyway.
Ie, So what? some companies get called “Scottish”…
It’s all very well saying we have so and so’s countries model in mind, But it seemed to me it didn’t deal with the fact’s, now, regarding Scotland. What can actually be done, how it would (with reality as it exists) What it would look like and why.
I’m not doubtful if a ‘real’ good case was made it would have been a done deal. It wasn’t even going for full independence. It says quite a lot really.
Sry, ‘in devolution* terms, for people.’
“The Troll has been invited to visit other blogs to add his opinion on, he does not take the offers though and continues his assaults on these boards, which seems strange as if he’s paid to do it. ”
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Yes Chris, you’re not far off the mark there.
I believe Habbs remit is to oversee this blog, and to, shall we say “lessen the impact” of Craigs wonderful and at times, often revealing posts.
Posts that often give the man/woman on the street, a tantalising insight into the machinations of our security services, politicians, governmental organisations and a myriad of other political goings on.
As to his handlers well, we all know the usual suspects, I leave you to decide which one calls the shots.
As the comments here rarely, if ever, have much to do with Craig’s original postings I can’t see how anyone posting here can be “lessening their impact”.
Huh. So it’s Habbabkuk’s sarcasm that’s the problem. Giving credence to fools like Spivey (Republicofscotland), telling blatant lies (RobG), making threats of physical violence (Chris Rogers, Nevermind) etc. etc. doesn’t detract from the credibility of the comments in the slightest, of course. Because the latter are all “on the right side”.
Problem is this place is full of wankers.
“Huh. So it’s Habbabkuk’s sarcasm that’s the problem. Giving credence to fools like Spivey (Republicofscotland), telling blatant lies (RobG), making threats of physical violence (Chris Rogers, Nevermind) etc. etc. doesn’t detract from the credibility of the comments in the slightest, of course. Because the latter are all “on the right side”.”
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Clarke, you seem a nice enough chap, I give way to you on this occasion, I recently read a comment from you, which shall, remain secret, in which you feel down just now, I’ve no wish to compound that.
Take care.
Republicofscotland
“That is of course your opinion Habb, but patronising Clarke, whilst lurking on another blog, doesn’t exactly do you justice.”
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I wouldn’t say I was patronising Clark, just suggesting he shouldn’t fall in with the silly little games you and that drunkard RobG keep trying to play with him.
I’ve said the same to several times on CM, as it happens.
Re “lurking” on Squonk – well, if you saw my comment there you must have been lurking as well.
In fact, lurking more than me because I posted on Squonk but you didn’t – you just read and then came to squeal on CM.
You knut.
Republicofscotland
What do you do for a living?
Please reassure me you don’t have anything to do with impressionable young people (eg, teacher).
@Habbabkuk (la vita è bella)
6 Mar, 2016 – 9:53 am
A brilliant comment!
Your insight just leaves me weak at the knees.
Habba, I love you and I want you to bear my children.
RobG
I’m up for it.
But are you sure your womb isn’t as barren as your brain?
Anyway, you drink far too much for a mother-to-be. 🙂
Republicofscotland, yes I’m very down. I’m having a crisis regarding human nature. The majority seem so self-righteous, impervious to reasoned argument, no matter which “side” they happen to be on.
I find myself at odds with most people because they are all in families whereas I am not. They can all focus on the short-term advantages or disadvantages that their relatives are experiencing. It gives them something to strive for, a focus other than the large scale and long term.
When I read Dawkins River out of Eden it gave me a sense of attachment to humanity as a whole which somewhat compensated for my lack of genetic relatives.
However, I am increasingly of the opinion that humanity lacks what will be needed to solve the problems on Earth. Many here seem to think that if only the “wicked ones” can somehow be constrained, humanity will be OK. But I see conflict itself as the problem. All “sides” inevitably see themselves as being in the right, being harmless, and regard the competing “sides” as producing all the problems.
But I see no attempt to resolve the conflicts. On the contrary, I see a concerted effort to consolidate into ever more powerful gangs, to try to defeat the opposition. Even distortion and suppression of facts is regarded as acceptable, even necessary, in this fight.
We’re not going to achieve peace by fighting, and we’re not going to achieve cooperation by silencing others, drowning them out or ignoring inconvenient facts.
Truth, Justice, Peace, cooperation.
That is the necessary progression. Each step is required in order to reach the next.