It is an old photo but worth recalling. Those expressions of delight of both couples in the company of their fellow members of the ruling elite are not feigned.
We live with an illusion of democracy.
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Update (April 19, 4:10 p.m. PT): Voter-fraud allegations
About 54,000 Democratic voters “vanished from the rolls in Brooklyn,” the New York Post writes. Other reports say more than 120,000 voters — “whole city blocks,” according to CNN — have been affected.
Election officials say these potential Democratic voters were moved to an “inactive list.” It’s possible it happened simply because the voter database was not properly maintained, said Board of Elections executive director Michael Ryan. Brooklyn is expected to be a stronghold for Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders.
Some activists are calling this a “voter purge” and election fraud. Brooklyn Councilman Brad Lander told the Post the issue was “weird” and “troubling.”
Election officials promise an investigation, but of course that will happen after the primary is completed.
The illusion of democracy……..
The exit polls had to be recalibrated after the vote for the Democratic end of the primary because Hillary’s margin of victory was greater than the original exit polls showed. Discussed in fivethirtyeight.com’s live blog.
Live blog is here: http://fivethirtyeight.com/live-blog/new-york-primary-presidential-election-2016/
Brooklyn has become a very trendy borough, inhabited by lots of young millenials, just the sort of people who support Sanders. It would be interesting to learn what sort of people were removed from the voter rolls.
Millennials
Democracy is fine when it’s a democracy of elites.
That’s just elites competing amongst themselves, which they’re going to be doing anyway, by other means if necessary.
But, democracy of the masses.
What’s that. That could result in anything.
Chaos.
The current system is still a democracy of elites, but masquerading as a democracy of the masses.
The masses get to play and think that they’re involved. That their views matter.
Keeps hope alive.
Easier to manage.
The financial system’s a bit like that too.
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well said Herbie, even in democracies that have a proportional representation the masses are bamboozled with party political choices at the ballot box, candidates they have no choice in.
Money is a powerful tool when you can get away with not declaring your massive hotel expenses, when you can make out that expenditure is not [part of the overall picture.
If candidates would be chosen at random, fully supported and enabled by the civil service, then we are not only breaking the cycle of corrupt politicians, we would also take democracy to its widest possible margin.
Voting would not be expensive, you disband with false promises and lies at the doorstep, political parties and fraudulent voting practices, you would get a far better informative press on pressing issues, imho.
lets have a random choice if we can have proportionally represented voting.
https://aeon.co/essays/forget-voting-it-s-time-to-start-choosing-our-leaders-by-lottery
It’s interesting to see that Nevermind doesn’t even believe in proportional representation.
I don’t believe that a complex modern democracy can function (or indeed even exist) without political parties.
But if anyone can find an example of such a country I should be interested to hear of it.
Seeking examples from 2500 years ago is fruitless and rather silly.
That’s all very well, Herby, but elites (however you define them) have existed since the beginning oh recorded history, haven’t they?
How would you go about changing that, I wonder?
And what does a “democracy of the masses” mean in practice? What would be needed to bring it about?
Give us the big (practical) picture.
“elites (however you define them) have existed since the beginning of recorded history, haven’t they?”
Correct.
And it’s in looking at their behaviours since the beginning of recorded history that we learn just how they manage their flock.
Elites and their intellectual servants, as you know, have been instructed in these techniques at the better schools and universities and their equivalents, since the beginning of recorded history.
It’s precisely this fact that yourself and your rather tiresome chums have been calling “conspiracy theory”.
Great that you’ve moved fom denial to reality. That’s quite a shift on your part.
I’d like everyone to understand that reality, as a first step.
I’m not advocating a democracy of the masses. Most certainly not at this stage. Elites can’t simply be dismissed, and the masses are not ready for rule.
I’m simply advocating realism as to the problem.
People can debate solutions only when they’ve first understood the problem.
We’ve only just entered the premisses, as it were.
As a first step I’d advocate looking at the individual issues that face us in the light of this “newly” agreed premise.
And with humility.
So that’s a no, then.
You’re just banality and woffle, Herby – albeit delivered in a dry, professorial tone: one line paras so that the sheeple and peeps can more easily absorb your big picture “insights”.
A good example : “As a first step I’d advocate looking at the individual issues that face us…”.
Oh, goody! And once we’ve done the looking, where’s your second step (please don’t say : “and then we must reflect on what to do” 🙂 )
It’s a big big problem, habby, thousands and thousands of years of elite misdirection.
Everything from religion to revolution, to famine, to economic catastrophe.
Scarcity, for example, is a means of maintaining their hierarchies. Control of food, energy and finance is central.
You see, the problems we face are caused by these elites. Quite deliberately. They benefit from them. They use them to further and extend their control.
They’re not natural endogenous phenomena. Oh no.
They create a problem, then provide their own solution.
That solution further entrenches their control.
What that means, habby, is that we cannot truly address these problems without understanding the full role elites themselves play in them.
That then means that peeps themselves must understand how elites have controlled them for thousands of years.
And the methodology employed.
Failure to do so simply continues the cycle. Peeps just accepting elite solutions.
Therefore the answer to problems such as these lie beyond the paradigm created by elites.
It’s for that reason that peeps must inform themselves how it all works so they don’t continually fall into the same trap.
“elites (however you define them) have existed since the beginning oh recorded history, haven’t they?”
Pausing merely to note the fatuity of the formulation- which makes no sense whatever- and, with the most generous interpretation, is perfectly circular, the answer is ” No”.
Elites have not always existed during the past 2500 years. Indeed most societies have had the means of ensuring that elites could not survive if they arose.The Iroquois Confederacy, whose government is not untypical of the ‘First Nations’ in North America is but one, relatively well studied, example.
I am confident that most societies have developed, as we have not, the means of controlling those ambitious of forming hereditary elites and re-shuffling the social cards at regular intervals.
To paraphrase Jefferson “the tree of liberty’ requires “the blood of tyrants” or it dies.
The immediate problem in societies such as the UK and the US is that representative democracy has been hijacked by that class which owns and controls the means of production.
The Fabians who drafted the Labour Party Constitution therefore made it the main aim of the Labour Party to secure for the workers, by hand and by brain, the full fruits of their labour, in order that socially produced wealth could not be employed to short circuit the working of democracy. This implied the replacement of the private ownership of the means of production, distribution and exchange, and the best obtainable system of popular administration and control of each industry or service.
That remains the challenge and when it is accomplished democracy becomes a matter of mere detail while elites will atrophy into nothing more than self regarding cliques and clubs of individuals comforting themselves by nourishing delusions of grandeur. All of which will afford the rest of us mild amusement.
Good points about the organisational structure of kinship and tribal societies.
That’s of course why they must be wiped out, have been and that’s continuing to this day, such that comparisons cannot be made with our own forms.
But still, we have elites, very successful elite systems of governance which can be traced back thousands and thousands of years.
So you’ll see this in ancient Egypt, for example, the priestly class and so on.
I don’t agree however that the Fabians were ever anything other than a controlled opposition, formed from within the elite.
It’s a very different thing, for example, to depend on mutuality within a tribe and to depend on welfare from an elite.
Welfare will include dependency on others for work.
The tribal system is holistic and mutually reinforcing. The elite system is antagonistic.
The tribal system is holistic and mutually reinforcing. The elite system is discrete and antagonistic.
The obvious exception to Michels’s Iron Law of Oligarchy is ancient Greek democracy, notably at Athens, where most political positions were held by average citizens, chosen by lot.
…who were part of a small elite in a city state otherwise inhabited by metoikoi, women, peasants, and slaves.
Glad you said that, Martinned.
I and a few others been pointing that out to our Oxford Greatsman for ages but he still doesn’t get the point.
So no elites in classical Athens then?
You’re funny. 🙂
Anyone who thinks the average citizens who had the vote were part of a small elite has only to read Aristophanes to see just how average they were. The small elite were the aristocrats who resented democracy and sought to establish an oligarchic system. We can read their views in authors like Plato and Pseudo-Xenophon.
And those average citizens included small-holding farmers, i.e., peasants. They also included the urban poor who served as sailors in the Athenian navy.
Wiki ballparks it at the top 10%: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Athenian_democracy#Size_and_make-up_of_the_Athenian_population
An English translation of Pseudo-Xenophon’s (aka the Old Oligarch’s) Constitution of the Athenians, in which this oligarch complains about how Athenian democracy gives power to the poor, is to be found here.
If you look at the post war period in Western countries, what was called the post war consensus, you see examples of disgruntled elites whining about how well ordinary peeps were doing.
But still, the post war channelling of wealth and democracy to the masses was precisely what most elites agreed upon and needed at that time to build up their country’s infrastructure and so on.
The process we’re now in is one in which they’re clawing it all back.
Isn’t your example simply a case of a few members of the elite complaining about what elites as a whole wanted.
There’ll be some members of the elite whose particular sector will suffer more than others even when carrying out elite plans.
That ballpark figure of 10% strikes me as not far from the mark. I’ve seen estimates that the citizen population of Attica/Athens was about a third of the total population, which also included slaves and metics (resident noncitizens). When we consider that only adult male citizens had the right to vote, 10% should be approximately correct. But, when we consider that the families of those who had the right to vote were about a third of the population, that’s far more than a small elite.
(By the way, I get my screen name from the orator Lysias, who was a rich metic and a strong supporter of Athenian democracy. Which shows that metics did not have to feel alienated from the system of Athenian democracy.)
Attica/Athens found a way to give effective political power to a third of the population. Compare that with modern so-called “democracies”. Here in the U.S., although all adult citizens may have the right to vote, as Craig shows here, that right has become close to meaningless. It’s only something like .01%, or one out of ten thousand, who has effective political power.
We can build on what the Athenians did to give power to more than a third or a tenth of citizens. We have no slaves. I don’t think anyone will argue with denying the right to vote to children and noncitizens. So all we have to alter from what happened under Athenian law is to give power to women as well as men, which we already do. And then, if we use the Athenian method of distributing power through use of the lot, we will have avoided Michels’s Iron Law of Oligarchy and given effective power to far more than a small elite.
The “comeback kid” has enjoyed palling around with his good friend HW Bush since his presidency, while not doing a Blair and making huge sums from speaking fees. They really are all in it together. Particularly distasteful has been Le Clinton’s garnering sizeable amounts for providing speeches to heads of state with highly dubious records, while the US State Department ponders the granting of weapons export licences. Needless to say, having his wife as Secretary of State at the time had nothing to do with it.
The Clintons have made $152M in speaking fees in the last ten years IIRC. Nice work if you can get it.
http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2015/apr/26/peter-schweizer/fact-checking-clinton-cash-author-claim-about-bill/
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Incidentally, Craig – I would really appreciate more thoughts on the Europe question, dealing with issues as they arise. There are enough undecided (or deeply ambivalent) voters to determine the outcome. While you did suggest observing purdah, I daresay there are a few of us who would like to see further discussion.
” I would really appreciate more thoughts on the Europe question, dealing with issues as they arise. There are enough undecided (or deeply ambivalent) voters to determine the outcome. While you did suggest observing purdah, I daresay there are a few of us who would like to see further discussion.”
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I beg to disagree, Glenn.
Only a couple of days in to the campaign proper, the level of facile misrepresentation deployed by both official sides and the refusal of both official sides to address the issues in an honest (and factual) manner are such as to make any rational, informed observer (such as myself) despair.
I do not think that the “contributions” from most of the regular contributors on here would either elevate the debate or shed much light on the question.
Quite the contrary, in fact.
I’m basing that on the general quality of “debate” on here.
And on the fact that any theme introduced by Craig merely serves – for many – as an opportunity to rehash their old obsessions on issues totally irrelevant to that theme.
So Craig is absolutely right and should stick to his the line he’s announced.
Certainly agreed, the standard of debate from the official sides is lamentable. Very little but assertion with no substance to back it up, and even when some point has merit, it is exaggerated beyond credulity.
However, I (for one) would like to take on more serious and well considered views, and there are plenty of contributors of substance – plus of course Mr. Murray himself – who could provide a useful perspective to the topics being raised from day to day.
On a personal note, I am sorry that you think so little of your fellow contributors – it strikes me as a little peculiar to have such contempt for that company in which one chooses to spend so much of their time.
Oh come on, Glenn – do you seriously believe that the content, tone and style of the sort of stuff posted on here by Bevin, Fedup, Silvio, Giyane, Trowbridge, Herby, Paul “Barbara” and many others is worthy of anything other than contempt?
Of course you don’t.
There’s only a handful of “contributors” who are worth the cartridge ink they expend.
You should join me in exposing it for what it is rather than professing faux puzzlement.
And now, suitably reproved, have a nice day 🙂
You appear to have wandered into the last century. Cartridge ink they expend? Not even the security services bother to collect the comments on paper nowadays.
As ever the suck up kick down delusional cat sets itself as the grand arbiter and then going all medieval starts costing up “ink cartridges”*. Fact that the same snitch has confessed to reporting various people who contribute here to more than one of the SIS somehow is swept aside. In fact the said snitch freely admitted** that these various SIS were looking into these people!
Now using H. Simpson reverse psychology techniques it then goes on record; “do you seriously believe that the content, tone and style of … posted on here by Bevin, Fedup, Silvio, Giyane***, Trowbridge, Herby, Paul “Barbara” and many others is worthy of anything other than contempt”.
Clearly now we know who he has been reporting on! And seeing as they are still posting here bitter disappointment has lead to its denouncement of the culprits because despite his best efforts to involve the various recipients of his green inked letters in the SIS. The said agencies have not arrested or arranged a hit on the said group of his tormentors.
Although the cat has a new coping strategy, and is busy consoling itself by fancy concepts like “the bigger picture” so filling its hive mind with even a more larger images of his dear leaders, and dear great leaders, to take solace in whilst it gets humiliated and tossed around on an hourly basis with his tormentors.
However before departing to more mundane chores, the cat has gone on record; “elites (however you define them) have existed since the beginning of recorded history, haven’t they?”
Not crossing its mind is monkeys have the same hierarchy the more vicious of them becomes the “leader” but that is for the sake of the gene pool and preservation of the species. The hairless apes having “elite” is a an exercise in futility, because none of the so call “elite” can even run a hundred yards dash, and probably will be out of puff hanging to their inhalers and experiencing dyspnea thus what is the point of having these “elite” in the first place?
But that cannot be entertained because the suck up kick down cat’s hive mind finds the independence of thought a dimension too far, that cannot be ever achieved.
* How could anyone not take any note of the prohibitive rise in the costs of green ink cartridges, his favourite colour of course?
** It could have been due to insulin rush, as the cat was too busy to measure up the dose correctly and ended up with too much insulin that of course lead to even greater bravado and a moment of; let’s frighten the tormentors. Thus by telling them it had reported the bally lot of them to the SIS in different countries too. I must confess, I for one have been leaving the bedroom lights on at night!!!!! And lately soon as I get in me bed pull the king size duvet right over my head!!!
*** giyane is put there on the shit list to keep his blown cover intact.
An unexpected compliment so early in the day: to be held in contempt by a creature so contemptible as to apologise for every massacre carried out by the fascist regime in “Israel” and to attempt to justify the massive casualties consequential to the attacks on Iraq, Libya and, currently, Syria.
To be caught in the company of tyrants and murderers, to lick the boots of Blairs, Bushes and Netanyahus. that is to cry out through the ages to be held in contempt.
Fedup gleefully reports as follows:
“The said agencies have not arrested or arranged a hit on the said group of his tormentors”
and I thank him for that, because it gives the lie to those who rave on endlessly about the “fascist” nature of the state and the alleged freedom-inimical nature of greater surveillance.
The grandiose delusional cat is pretty nimble, ain’t he the little rascally cat that it is?
It is droning on; about the lack of the fascist state because they have not actioned on the reports it had been filing. So the lack of action to hit the culprits so assiduously reported on at length means the SIS are not there! However because the SIS know the cut of the jib of the delusional cat and have filed its reports in the filling cabinet denoted as Waste Bin. All the while the delusional cat goes on absolving the snoopers and the spies in every corner reporting on everybody, as not doing any such a thing.
The weird mindset of a five your old boy dictates that if they have not actioned on the most fantastic reports of h…kuk then obviously the SIS are operating!!!
Although on the other hand spelling it for the grandiose delusional cat SIS have a long tab on it writing all manner of reports and filing about the foreign looking shop assistant looking at him in a funny way, or an Arab looking chap wear a loud shirt after hours of darkness, or even more stupid and trumped up charges that only h…kuk can concoct, and lie to itself with shutting its eyes an knowing that it is as wonderful as it’s mam used to tell it is!
“An unexpected compliment so early in the day: to be held in contempt by a creature so contemptible as to apologise for every massacre carried out by the fascist regime in “Israel” and to attempt to justify the massive casualties consequential to the attacks on Iraq, Libya and, currently, Syria.”
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Can you substantiate those claims, Bevin?
Guillotine. That’s the answer. Aux armes, citoyens.
More to the immediate point:
http://m.strategic-culture.org/news/2016/04/19/hillary-neocon-problem.html
Her march to the White House relies on over 400 superdelegates pledged to her – a number of them also wearing the hat of corporate lobbyist – rather than to the democratic voice of the people, Even if nominated and then elected, Hillary, lacking credibility about her authenticity, will not be a popular president. Nearly half of Democrats don’t trust her (56% express trust vs. 81% for Bernie). And a new AP-GfK poll reveals that 55% of all Americans hold a negative opinion of her. Under her presidency, and with the return of the first man, American politics will continue to be business as usual.
Absolutely. If only the people in the States knew the Clinton’s past – it’s out there, but needless to say, the MSM stay schtum.
Here’s a powerful short look at her history. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PV_PLCC6jeI
Exactly – it’s out there, all over the place, and therefore the MSM didn’t and don’t stay schtum.
Can you see the contradiction in what you say?
Or do you seriously think the Clintons’ doings are only reported in blogs such as this one?
It gives them a feeling of great importance to think that the peeps and sheeple would be in a state of complete ignorance were it not for their “revelatory” Internet postings.
So you actually believe people are fully informed, if they accept the nothing but the MSM’s choice of news droppings and infotainment? And you don’t believe the multi-millionaire class who present the news have little interest in the lives of ordinary decent people?
As with your master, it’s baffling why you choose to spend so much of your free time in the company of those at whom you sneer. Your master had nothing to say about the point, naturally – do you?
Habb.
I have to agree with you on this one, it doesn’t take much searching to find the dodgy dealing of Hilary Clinton, and the Clinton Foundation there shouldnt and can’t be any excuses for American’s, not, to be clued up.
So why aren’t they? Or are they? But maybe they see her as the lesser of two evils.
Looking in from across the pond, it is, strange, to see thousands of Clinton supporters, energetically waving banners, and yelling Hilary for president, wondering if any of them actually spent anytime, researching her somewhat dubious, and lucrative political career.
By the joyful look on their faces, it has struck, me that they haven’t, or those that have, don’t really care.
Her march to the White House relies on over 400 superdelegates pledged to her
Well, that and generally crushing Sanders in most states where people actually vote.
Nice find, Craig. You really should read ‘Access Denied: For Reasons of National Security’ by Cathy O’Brien and Mark Phillips. And watch ‘The Mena Connection, Murder,Drugs and Coverup Clinton & Bush Sr.’: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8VbK1zLS1jA (two hours and twenty minutes, but worth it).
Gary Webb also wrote a book, ‘Dark Alliance’, before he died (reportedly ‘suicide’!).
Another great book has oodles of juicy info: ‘Compromised: Clinton, Bush and the CIA’ by Terry Reed (still alive!).
That’s right Paul, two gunshots to the head!
He must have REALLY wanted to kill himself.
“Facing a barrage of calls from the media and the public, the Sacramento County Coroner’s Office issued a statement Tuesday confirming that former investigative reporter Gary Webb committed suicide with two gunshots to the head.”
http://sacbee.com/content/news/story/11772749p-12657577c.html
A new deal or revolution is unavoidable – mass peaceful rebellion – it is the only method left that will work – In the Royal Navy it is called mutiny and exceptional, unique to the 20th c and before. The last refusal to obey was the Invergordon Mutiny set in motion by a 25% service pay cut and a sense of betrayal felt in the labour movement at Ramsay MacDonald’s split with the Labour Party and his formation of a new government with the Conservatives.
Civil disobedience in huge numbers and I mean several million good people. Beyond pretension, impertinence and disrespect I am certain Craig Murray would address the clan and captivate a vernal and countless legion.
Where’s Glenn’s comment gone? Didn’t he have one in here about civil disobedience?
Mark, I don’t think that will work, unless all the power goes off, and stays off. There are two likely scenarios, barring outright World War, that will bring change – both centred in the USA, as that is where the main problems originate.
1) Another military coup in the US. I am convinced there are massive divisions between the various competing factions in the US Oligarchy – e.g. in Syria the CIA backed rebels are in open conflict with the US Military backed rebels.
2) Almost Total financial collapse in the US. The just in time supply chain scenario re food and power distribution, means that within a week of breakdown (which could be due to banks stop issuing money or hyper-inflation – everyone wants to get paid or they won’t work), large numbers of people will start to starve. Hungry people tooled up to the eyeballs are extremely dangerous to any supposed Govt.
Meanwhile, this is well worth a read. Professor James Petras is about as American Left Wing as you can get. He comes to some surprising conclusions.
“Trump “The Fascist”: Backdoor Backing of a Political Psychopath Named Hilary Clinton”
http://petras.lahaine.org/?p=2079
Tony
Another military coup in the US
Oooh, that sounds like a story. Please do regale us with the story of the last military coup in the US!
It happened on Nov. 22, 1963.
I thought that was the CIA?
Who did the botched autopsy of JFK?
Douglas P. Horne, a retired naval officer and the former Chief Analyst of Military Records of the Assassination Records Review Board (a body established with subpoena powers by Act of Congress that interviewed pretty much all the people involved in the medical treatment of JFK’s body in Dallas and in the Naval Hospital in Bethesda Maryland), has a great deal to say about that botched autopsy in his five-volume magnum opus Inside the Assassination Records Review Board: The U.S. Government’s Final Attempt to Reconcile the Conflicting Medical Evidence in the Assassination of JFK.
There seems to be something about former US Navy officers, doesn’t there.
I regret to say that two of the three military doctors who conducted the botched autopsy of JFK’s body at Bethesda Naval Hospital were naval officers (the third was Army). They were all operating under the orders of flag officers (at least one admiral and one general).
Martinned.
This is probably as close as it gets, and even this fizzled out.
” In 1933 in the United States. Retired Marine Corps Major General Smedley Butler claimed that wealthy businessmen were plotting to create a fascist veterans’ organization and use it in a coup d’état to overthrow President of the United States Franklin D. Roosevelt, with Butler as leader of that organization.”
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Business_Plot
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Records show Bill and Hillary Clinton made over $125 million from giving paid speeches since 2001. In particular, critics question why Hillary Clinton received over $675,000 from Goldman Sachs, an investment bank notorious for using its ties to public officials to influence policy, over the course of three speeches in 2013.https://theintercept.com/2016/02/19/hillary-clinton-goldman-sachs-transcripts/ Trump is worth over 4 billion. I disagree with the cynical headline. In my opinion the US has the finest democracy on earth. The best money can buy.
As the H. Clinton presidency nears, barring a cataclysmic event to stop it, my feeling of dread for the people of the world increases.
I am glad that Hillary won, as she will make short work of Trump, the last hope of the right-wing whites.
I am happy I started a thread on ThenLocal in Sweden about the dangers Donald represented since it has had tens of thousands of viewers, and I think it helped the Clintons.
In claiming that there is no democracy in America, and is no difference between Hillary and Donald are simply bad errors in judgment.
In doing so,I have overlooked the dirty work that President Clinton engaged in trying to get rid of me in Portugal through the efforts of the American Ambassador there, Elizabeth Frawley Bagley, its CIA resident, Chief of Staff Leon Panetta, the Agency’s George Tenet, and the owner and operator of the Supatra restaurant in Caldas da Rainha.
Do you find it frustrating that the other, cruder, trolls really don’t seem to understand your mastery in the trade? That simpleton Hasbarakkuk actually bracketed you with his betes noir, see above.
No, I don’t, and are you one of the cruder trolls?
Why are all these elites and their servants trying to get rid of you, Trowby?
And how come they haven’t as yet been successful.
So far as I can see, they’re generally quite good at that.
Oh, I started complaining to Bubba, and his servants about their cozying up to America’s most outrageous criminals in the White House, especially ‘Trick Dick’ Nixon, Al ‘Deep Throat’ Haig. and CIA’s ‘Lord High Executioner’ Ricard Helms.
Bubba and his gang wanted to make my murder look like an accident, or better still a suicide, so they started poisoning me with tiny bits of it while reporter Joao McDonald of Ja magazine went to great lengths to act like it was exposing these guys as being behind the plot which assassinated JFK, only to dismiss my theory as complete rubbish in a June 1996 issue of the magazine.
I, of course, was quite pleased with the report of my ideas, no matter what it thought of them, and I left Portugal before they had managed to kill me.
Hope guys like you really get up to speed some day about what the scum ruling us are really up to.
Bubba and his gang wanted to make my murder look like an accident, or better still a suicide, so they started poisoning me with tiny bits of it
Tiny bits of what? Details, please. And why would anyone imagine someone poisoned slowly would have committed suicide? Surely a suicide would be looking for a quick and uncomplicated exit?
Bits of something like death cap mushrooms.
Like passing out while driving off a cliff as almost happened when I went to Spain in early 1996, and did happen when I fell unconscious while getting into my car at a park in Lidingo, Sweden which resulted in my being taken to Danderyd Hospital after I regained consciousness by ambulance, but they found nothing wrong with me, even after they gave me a catscan.
Sorry Ba’al, but you don’t believe anything sinister about our covert spooks
Fascinating, Trow. But your symptoms didn’t even slightly resemble amatoxin* – the death cap toxin. Now if you’d said fly agaric, falling inconveniently asleep woul;d have made a lot more sense. However its toxin is only rarely fatal, and notoriously variable in effect. And slipping you a hypnotic or atropine would have been less complicated.
*long symptomless induction period during which liver and kidney damage occurs, thereafter symptoms of liver and kidney damage, a temporary remission and death. Rather like polonium, broadly speaking, but quicker and more focussed. If you’d had a toxic dose, any medic would have recognised that something was wrong, if you didn’t. Permanently wrong, too.
Over to you. I’m intrigued.
Just more jumping to denials to protect the covert operators.
I only got the symptoms a night or so after ingesting the poison which resulted in dizziness, vomiting, diarrhea, heat rush in head, impairment of eyesight, failure of liver and pancreas to provide nourishment for brain, coma, etc.
The doctors never found out what was causing these cyclical seizures, but suspect it was cause of special kind of diabetes I suffer from.
http://www.redbubble.com/people/libertymaniacs/works/8314623-voting-the-slaves-suggestion-box
Yes, it does appear that no matter who enters the Whitehouse, the very wealthy 1% will always be over represented.
I suppose you could say that about other nations as well, the big campaign funders, see their donations paid back many times over in favourable policy making.
It’s more like the .01% than the 1%.
I bet our Irish-American Transatlantic Friend isn’t exactly on the breadline what with his US Navy officer’s pension (allegedly) and what he pulls in from working (I use that word loosely) in a Washington law office only a couple of blocks from the White House (allegedly).
Boo hoo.
Hilary Clinton looks set to stall on releasing her Goldman Sachs speech papers, which earned her a cool $675,000 dollars, paid to her by, Goldman Sachs, until she’s achieved the Democratic Presidential nomination.
Hilary Clinton, has made many lucrative speeches to Wall street, in her career, and we should all know, what expect from her if, no when, she becomes the next POTUS.
https://consortiumnews.com/2016/03/07/clinton-stalls-on-goldman-sachs-speeches/
American’s, in my opinion, with regards to the next POTUS, have a choice between, the frying pan and the fire.
If you do a google search for Dr. Jill Stein on Twitter, you will find her site.
It’s more complicated than that.
Some politicians learn by experience to clean up their acts.
The Clintons et al. gave up trying to kill me after DCI Leon Panetta’s hit squad which was trying to kill me in February 2009 was chased out of Sweden.
Even Haig gave up on Nixon , becoming ‘Deep Throat’, when he had The Plumbers assassinate Wallace. And then Haig gave up on Reagan and his neocons after they went on a killing spree to gain the White House.
“In 1964, the Warren Commission concluded that only Lee Harvey Oswald was responsible for the assassination of Kennedy. Subsequent investigations confirmed most of the conclusions of the Commission. In 1979, the United States House Select Committee on Assassinations (HSCA) concluded that a second gunman besides Oswald probably fired at Kennedy. The HSCA did not identify the second gunman, nor did it identify any other person or organization as having been involved.[141][142] The acoustical evidence that the HSCA based its second gunman conclusion on has since been discredited.[143][144][145][146][147][148]
Public opinion polls have consistently shown that a majority of Americans believe there was a conspiracy to kill Kennedy. Gallup polls have also found that only 20–30% of the population believe that Oswald had acted alone. These polls also show that there is no agreement on who else may have been involved.[12][149] Former Los Angeles District Attorney Vincent Bugliosi estimated that a total of 42 groups, 82 assassins, and 214 people had been accused in various Kennedy assassination conspiracy theories.[150]”
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To which groups, numbers and people we can now add “the military”.
Who said there was no such thing as progress? 🙂
Isn’t it time for a JFK thread? Something to occupy time with over the summer autumn and winter.
LHO was set up as a patsy by William King Harvey and other mind-control experts after he could not be drugged and hypnotized to assassinate JFK, and the actual killers of Kennedy were Harvey, Helms, Nixon, Gov. John Connally, Richard Cain, Chuckie Nicoletti, Jack Ruby, et al.
If you believe that Oswald could have done the shooting job he is supposed to have, then I would suggest belief in the Tooth Fairy would also be in order.
Since you appear to thrive on the more lurid vapourings on here let’s put it calmly and succinctly without the requirement for “mind control” and “Manchurian candidates” etc.
A group of individuals, organisation or group of organisations as yet unknown assassinated President Kennedy, subsequent to this event a substantial change in the public policy of the United States took place.
It appears reasonable to draw the conclusion that the change of policy was a product of the assassination of the Head of State and any reasonable person would be justified in calling that a “coup d’état”
@Habbabkuk (flush out fakes)
“In 1964, the Warren Commission concluded that only Lee Harvey Oswald was responsible for the assassination of Kennedy. ”
As ex Navy I can tell you are a chancer and full of BS this is just for you.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l9jAGtfi8S4
Thank you Dave, much appreciated.
Just because people are friends it doesn’t mean that they agree on everything. I have friends who are Tories, Liberals, Marxist, Trots, Anarchists, Zionists, anti Zionists, admirers of Putin and the Soviet Union but I am quite able to get on socially while still holding to my own views. Surely an ability to be able to understand and accept the views of others is a condition precedent for any form of democracy however defined – it is only those with an authoritarian mindset who think differently.
Another way of looking at it is ‘Birds of a Feather…’. US politics is a charade; Bernie Sanders is getting vastly bigger crowds, and more votes, than the Scopes ‘Hildabeast’, but because of ‘pledged delegates’ and massive Corporation and MSM help, she’ll get through. If only you knew (or maybe you don’t care) what an evil, Luciferian specimen she is.
The Clinton’s also had a very friendly relationship with the Bushes.
Kiss me Hilary ( “killary”) – and – high five Bill.
The left and the right offer nothing but the illusion of choice, merely two arm on the same body.
@ Trowbridge H. Ford aka The Biscuit April 20, 2016 at 20:08
‘LHO was set up as a patsy by William King Harvey and other mind-control experts after he could not be drugged and hypnotized to assassinate JFK, and the actual killers of Kennedy were Harvey, Helms, Nixon, Gov. John Connally, Richard Cain, Chuckie Nicoletti, Jack Ruby, et al.’
An excellent book (though you’d never suspect it by it’s title) is ‘Me and Lee’ by Judyth Vary Baker; LHO not only wasn’t the sole killer, he didn’t shoot at all, and tried to prevent the assassination, but his attempts were thwarted. Another book, ‘Dr. Mary’s Monkey’ by Edward T. Haslam complements ‘Me and Lee’.
Your ‘et al’ should include J. Edgar Hoover, the CIA, LBJ, Murchison, GHW Bush, Meyer Lansky…all in on the planning.
So Trump is friends with the Clintons.
Why not?
Bill plays golf at Trump’s course, or used to. That was good for business. And the Clinton’s could have been able to do much more for Trump, in return for his financial contribution to the Clinton foundation, free golf, etc.
As he has openly stated, Trump bought just about every politician who approached him for money. That’s the American system. Withoutbuying influence, Trump’s business would have been severely impaired.
But that doesn’t mean Trump shares the Clinton’s politics. In fact his writings and television appearances over a period of many years prove quite the contrary. Trump is loathed by the two-parties-one-policy crowd precisely because he has articulated an anti-globalist policy, which means no open border, and no global free trade, only managed trade in accordance with an American national economic interest. Trump is the democrat. The Clinton’s are agents of the Money Power. Trump is a plutocrat, but his wealth depends on the prosperity of ordinary Americans who buy his apartments, stay at his hotels and use his resorts. Hence his anti-globalist rhetoric is almost certainly sincere. In any case, his anti-globalist and anti-war positions are in accordance with the interests of the people, including poor blacks and Hispanics, as well as the poor whites so loathed and despised by the globalist elite.
Trump serves the PTB, that’s why he gets publicity. He will take his orders from the Puppet Masters, unlike Bernie Sanders or Jill Stein.
Like Obomba, who broke just about every pre-election pledge, Trump will swing with the Military/Industrial Complex, the Banksters, Big Pharma, Big Agri etc. If they want open borders, that’s what they would get under Trump. If they want wars, ditto.
The following link will demonstrate just what kind of a jerk Trump is, and what his ‘word’ is worth:
http://www.salon.com/2016/03/17/the_night_the_rolling_stones_fired_donald_trump_keith_richards_once_pulled_a_knife_to_get_the_gop_frontrunner_out_of_atlantic_city_venue/
You say. On the world of Salon and the Rolling Stones. LOL.
What’s the matter with you?
The night Keith Richards pulled a knife on the Donald: How Rolling Stone wild man took on Trump and got him fired;
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3502034/One-leaving-building-night-Rolling-Stones-fired-Donald-Trump-Keith-Richards-threatened-knife.html
Rolling Stones guitarist Keith Richards ‘once threatened Donald Trump with a knife’:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/rolling-stones-guitarist-keith-richards-once-threatened-donald-trump-with-a-knife-a6943921.html
Don’t you even bother to make a quick search, before sneeringly dissing a comment?