I have had occasion before to praise Sam Kiley, Sky News security correspondent, who often seems to be fighting a one man battle against rampant Islamophobia and alarmism in the media. He has just given an extremely sensible analysis. He counselled against rushing to brand the crash as terrorism without evidence, discussing both mechanical failure and pilot suicide. He added that even if it was terrorism it was not necessarily Islamic terrorism. He quoted Anders Breivik and the fact that early reporting speculated that massacre was Islamic terrorism. Kiley even went so far as to state it was a possibility that, if it were terrorism, it could be carried out by a fascist group attempting falsely to implicate Islamic groups and stoke Islamophobia. Kiley also outlined the possibilities for various Islamic groups to be involved.
His summary was as balanced and sensible as it could be possible to make. Indeed Eamonn Holmes felt it necessary to ramp up the terrorist narrative by stating there have only ever been 68 mechanical failures on Airbus 320 aircraft. That is true, but it is a very much larger number than the number of terrorist incidents on A 320 aircraft.
I do not know what happened. I do know that it is remarkable that anybody as balanced as Sam Kiley – who four years ago stated on Sky News that Israel was perceived as “moving towards an apartheid state” – continues to be employed by the mainstream media. I frequently criticise corporate media journalists for doing a bad job. When one is doing a particularly good job I should in fairness note it.
Habbasmear.
I declined to give a link because I do not have one at my fingertips and have little time to waste on a matter that will only be cleared up when the US opens its secret files.
As to Global Research the piece seems perfectly reasonable to me. I suppose that had I given The Economist or The Times, both up to their necks in imperialist propaganda mongering, you would have been silenced. You might want to wonder why?
Mulga’s post may not be good enough for someone primarily concerned not with the historical record but in defending imperialism, but it makes two excellent points.
1/ That the Unit 731 was not just not tried for its serial crimes but that it was taken over by the US and operated, at least experimentally (which in this context is horrific enough), during the Korean War. So the US had no compunction about using biological weapons- its record in Germany was the same.
2/ The Chinese Communists were very familiar with Japanese biological warfare techniques. They knew what they were dealing with by 1950.
Of course the Communists made propagandistic appeals to public opinion in the west. And their propaganda was not unsuccessful. The working classes of Europe and North America knew only too well how ruthless and callous their rulers were. So did the victims of colonialism.
One of the advantages of this blog is that one does not need to provide the links that you call for: sooner or later someone who has the information at his (or of course her) fingertips will post it.
In the meantime talking of ‘form’ the US military has lots of it in the bio and chemical warfare departments. It remains the only government which has employed nuclear weapons on civilians.
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Dave Lawton
May 21, 2016 at 23:39
“Some guy whose name escapes me wrote a book about how the counter intuitive ideas of the philosophers of East Asia had long developed atomic physics before Einstein et al came along.”
In fact Atomic physics was developed long before Einstein came along.He put no input into Atomic physics.
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lysias
May 22, 2016 at 00:43
I’ve always wondered if Einstein’s idea of space-time was inspired by the line in Wagner’s Parsifal: “Zum Raum wird hier die Zeit”. Einstein is known to have been musical.
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lysias
May 22, 2016 at 00:46
And isn’t Wagner’s line supposed to have been inspired by things that Schopenhauer, who himself was influenced by Eastern thinkers, had said?
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Zeke
May 22, 2016 at 01:41
Ben Momad said: “Whew! I thought first you were just fishing. Now I see you’ve hooked and swallowed the Flounder whole. How did you know Oppy quoted that passage from Bhagavad Gita merely for effect? Please continue…..”
Once I Had a Girl…..https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Oekanmpguc
“Everybody is everybody else” as somebody once said.
Just a good example of your trolling where all kinds of things are repeated which have nothing to do with the crash.
It’s hardly better for Captain John Cox, an expert on airliner fires, telling BBC World that someone stepping on lithium batteries might have caused the fires in the avionics bay, one of the toilets, and the cabin of the EgyptAir liner.
And I though it was just a fiery lizard running around.
Them lithium batteries keep coming up don’t they? Aren’t most cell phones (which occasionally blow up in your ear) and hover-boards exploding with lithium tech?
James doesn’t seem to know if he’s the pot or the kettle.
Going off-topic on page 4 of one of Craig’s posts is not ‘trolling’, it’s normal. There is a tacit understanding amongst most regulars here, I believe, that it is good manners to stick to the topic in the first few days but later once Craig has moved on it is fine to digress.
By “to digress” I suppose you mean “feel free to return to their respective pet obsessions, to start shouting in this cyber-supermarket carpark and – most importantly – to reach out beyond the lonely futility of their own lives for a brief moment of vainglorious contact with their fellow beings”?
If yo’ do, then we agree.
Anyone with a brain can see that the “replies” to this came well in advance of the post itself. Mischief can be fun or tedious and time wasting.
Good post James, thanks.
the mainstream media. . .
http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/news/2016/may/19/zeigler-doj-russia-doping-probe-hypocrisy/all/?print
The san diego tribune is starting to worry about the future for USA sport and the hosting of international events in the US
BBC Today 08.40 today, Jeremy Bowen on Erdogan’s illegal flattening of Cisre, a Kurdish town in Eastern Turkey.
CM ” When “.. a journalist .. for the BBC even ..” is doing a particularly good job I should in fairness note it.”
Jeremy Bowen points out that Erdogan as Turkey’s leader, part of NATO, Islamist participant in the war In Syria, cannot be trusted by the EU, if he’s going to illegally bomb his own people, (or his peaceful neighbour, Kurdistan).
If anyone is interested, today’s episode will be available soon at:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b07btd1p
Plausibly although not confirmed US/UK special forces were involved in an exercise to liase with a search vessel in the area where flight MS804 wreckage was found and make way to Cyprus Ayios Nikolaos Station in rubber marine landing craft. I ask what was picked up and transported… was it HMX??
There are all kinds of black propaganda about the crash to deflect who did it and why, like the claim on French TV that its pilot spoke to air traffic controllers for several minutes about fires on board which he was making a rapid descent for in the hope of putting them out!
More propaganda with experts claiming that an explosion on board must have caused bodies to be reduced to parts when, in fact, one’s body simply explodes when it hits anything, especially water, at 500 mph.
In French, the term Islamo-gauchiste = islamo-leftists.
That’s basically what these comments, nauseating conspiracy pandering, and the post – a denunciation of common sense and accumulating evidence – amount to.
the most plausible explanation right now for teh fall is terrorism. shooting down every piece of evidence is islamo-leftist conspiracy pandering.
But there is no “evidence” as such, that’s just the problem.
How can you claim to have the savoir faire to pronounce terrorism when there is no evidence of a 3rd party intervention?
Furthermore, if it was terrorism then wouldn’t that group have claimed responsibility by now? It is important to question (rather than speculate) in order to arrive at the truth. It would be unfair to diminish the efforts of those with enquiring minds rather than suck up the spoon-fed drivel that our superiors would like us to believe.
How about sticking to catchy phrases, like “Open Sesame’?
Why has it not been possible to “hear” the black boxes?
It is quite deep where the plane apparently crashed, and no proper equipment has been available yet to listen for them.
About two miles down, water pressure going on for two tons per square inch.
Not going to be easy.
The Egyptians have co-opted an oil-industry ROV, apparently. Which can take it, probably.
Is the massive speculation due to Our Masters not wishing us to know that they in person destroyed MS804 for some deep and secret purpose? Or the result of hundreds of uninformed arts graduates employed by the world’s media desperately trying to get their bylines on the front page?
Evidence:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3609314/Was-MS804-struck-METEOR-Russian-space-officials-warned-rock-entered-Earth-s-atmosphere-break-region-day-jet-vanished.html
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/experts-fear-doomed-egyptair-ms804-8050375
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/egyptair-ms804-pilots-spotted-ufo-before-fatal-crash_uk_57445705e4b0e71ef36db6d9
http://shoebat.com/2016/05/20/breaking-the-captain-of-flight-ms804-is-a-muslim-linked-to-major-muslim-terrorist-involved-in-killing-americans-in-benghazi/
http://www.theweek.co.uk/flight-ms804/72767/egyptair-flight-ms804-debris-bodies-and-belongings-found
http://www.standard.co.uk/news/world/egyptair-flight-ms804-explosion-on-board-was-likely-cause-of-crash-forensic-officers-say-a3255356.html
Etc. Too many theories, not enough data. And that’s the bottom line.
Of course, you are right, especially since you make no mention of my thread on The Local that this crash is likely a repeat of the Asiana Flight 214 one, and MH370 one which crashed in the South China Sea,
I had enough theories to uillustrate my point, T, and I know you never supply evidence for yours either. So you wouldn’t have made the cut even if I’d cared.
But I did supply evidence for the Asiana Flight 214 – i.e., the flash which the co-pilot Lee, aka Holy Lee Fuk by the NTSB, said he was blinded by when he was landing the plane, and the two fires in the cabin caused by the laser fired from one of its toilets and bringing down a lightning bolt before the crash which the crackpot investigators totally ignored.
And you don’t even care about the truth, as you stated!
I expect we will eventually be led to believe that the time frame of the bleeps has gone, so it will never be known where the aircraft is resting.
Think you are right, as both MH370 and MS804 were crashed and investigated in ways to make sure they were not found.
MS804 search team detects signals from the wreckage, reducing the search area to a three-mile radius within the Mediterranean
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3611343/MS804-search-team-detects-signals-wreckage-reducing-search-area-three-mile-radius-Mediterranean.html#ixzz49oCFvqFr
Lapérouse class
Hydrographic survey
A793 Laplace
980 tonnes
http://www.france24.com/en/20160527-france-sends-underwater-probes-egyptair-search-zone
A French naval vessel was en route to the eastern Mediterranean on Thursday to join the hunt for black boxes from a crashed EgyptAir jet, equipped with three specialist probes from a French company recruited to accelerate the search.
The French air accident investigation agency, the BEA, said in a statement the Laplace ship left Thursday from Corsica for the zone of the crash, with two BEA investigators aboard.
The Laplace is equipped with three detectors made by the ALSEAMAR company designed to detect and localise signals from the flight recorders, believed to be about 3,000 metres underwater.
France may also send an unmanned submarine and deep-sea retrieval equipment.
ALSEAMAR’s equipment includes three of its DETECTOR-6000 systems, designed to pick up black-box pinger signals over long distances up to 5km, according to the company’s website.
It works by dipping a slender probe into the water to listen for pings and then retrieving it to download the findings.
There are a lot of conflicting reports going about. The plane’s Emergency Location Transmitter wouldn’t work under the sea so it either broke off and floated or the fix was made by Airbus at the time of the crash. They automatically detach and float to the surface at 4m depth. It’s a week since the crash and the transmitter could have floated a long way from the wreckage.
The flight recorders transmit a sonar signal which can be detected from under the sea but haven’t been detected yet.
The Egyptian investigators have just released a statement, nothing new but al least it’s official now.
http://www.sis.gov.eg/En/Templates/Articles/tmpArticleNews.aspx?ArtID=104158#.V0sfXiExKZk
The Airbus 320, which is the focus of an intensive search after it crashed into the Mediterranean Sea last month, is said to have been forced to turn around and make emergency landings at least three times during the 24-hours preceding the crash.
http://www.euronews.com/2016/06/02/egyptair-s-a320-made-3-emergency-landings-preceding-ms804-crash-french-media/
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