In a first-of-its-kind, live broadcast from the Ecuadorian Embassy in London, WikiLeaks editor-in-chief Julian Assange and an exciting panel of special guests will discuss the Brexit referendum, its context and its repercussions over the course of six hours on the evening of this historic vote.
Tune in, to see the coverage of Brexit that you won’t see on the BBC.
Live from http://brexitclub.eu/
Replay below.
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For some reason, the site wouldn’t load videos with either firefox or chromium on Linux. A bit of digging, and I found that I could point vlc (or some other suitably capable video player) at http://urtmpkal-f.akamaihd.net/i/1ff9f20zh_1@76043/master.m3u8 to get the video stream.
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Thanks for that. It’s loud and clear on VLC
It is always a little on tender hooks here in Ireland and the thought of a physical border brings back a time we would rather move forward from.
Could bring Ireland closer together, especially if the Scots vote to remain, after Brexit.
Anyway. Ain’t gonna happen.
Farage has already conceded.
In the long run, it could be advantageous not to have NATO muddying the waters. It is bad enough with the U.S foreign policy causing so many issues NATO seems a deplorable redundant initiative.
Thanks Padraig, that makes two of us. I’d rather sort out our own problems here in Europe, without rewarming the cold war, when tensions are already high.
NATO’s howler handlers and profiteers do not want the War to be over Alaska, that would be a little too close to home.
But eastern Europe? hey that’s a smart idea, the Poles can’t stand them, Ukraine is already in chaos, no thanks Ms.’ Fuck off’ Nuland, Hungary is grappling with its inadequacies internally as well as with its neighbours.
NATO should have been disbanded by 1995 and we in Europe should have had our own peace and defence capabilities. They represent a play ground for new arms and right wing chickenhawks, the shop window for dis functional Saudi spawn that is arming terrorist.
I can’t see it happen here, they’d rather whistle Dixie in the bath and Havana gila in the corridors.
Jeremy Corbyn was an anti-Marketeer of the Tony Benn persuasion ever since he entered Parliament in 1983.
I winder who and what made him change his mind…..
“I wonder” etc
When you get close to No 10, and even potentially close, you learn that the US is boss.
Paraphrasing Hague, who said as much to the US ambassador.
Julian read out the cable.
Pay attention!
So you would agree that Jeremy Corbyn is a false god?
He is now.
On the big geostrategic issues.
But we don’t have to run our economy the way Osborne is running it.
I would say Craig has changed his hair to look like Boris.
Like Nigel Farage!
He’s a figurehead for a possible movement is he not? Since the 1980s the left has tended to see Europe as a source of liberal ideas and emancipation in terms of rights, workers rights, social rights etc as a counterpoint to Thatcherism and an increasingly right wing polity from then on and into New Labour and now into the present. Maybe then, relative disempowerment drives this tradition but where the left/social democrats/greens go from here is a conundrum.
Big handout from the CIA probably.
It’s not a personal thing.
The UK along with many other states are simply vassals of the US.
We can’t disentangle even if we wanted to.
Not yet anyway.
The sound on this is absolutely terrible.
Which is a pity. Lots of interesting things being said, particularly about the geopolitical issues.
The Big Picture.
Anyway, Julian mentioned something about GCHQ and all their snooping gear messing with the audio.
Can’t these spook bastards just fuck off and let people discuss the issues without interference.
Assange & Co were broadcasting earlier but now seem to be under a massive DOS attack.
Who knows.
Just record the bloody thing and put it up on social media.
And at the moment I posted that the Assange & Co livestream came back online,,,
http://brexitclub.eu/
A proper dead end conclusion to the referendum Leave vote.
I’m off to dinner, and then to bed.
Good idea.
I agree with your analysis of the UK role in the EU as a US spoiler in Brussels. This has obviously not been fully grasped by the Scottish electorate. Had the Scots been fully aware of this I doubt they’d be voting for REMAIN in the numbers it appears they may have.
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“Craig’s flight from Edinburgh was delayed.”
Should have taken the train thus proving his green credentials. Not only does as the CIA tell him but flies everywhere too.
The RMT are on strike right at the moment, and picketing outside Waverley station. That could well translate into delays in the train system too.
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Surely Craig said “Stick to one handle per thread”?
I have only posted to this thread as CIA-Funded Psy-Op so please explain what I have done wrong?
By the way, I like the way the stream is now explaining clearly how the Yanks want to control everything, while Craig wants to go along with this in the belief that the left might be able to cast off the shackles of the Yanks at some later date.
Craig has two chances, a fat one and a thin one!
Here is what Craig said:
Sockpuppetry.
It is in practice impossible to outlaw sockpuppetry without a formal registration system, which I do not want. But the adoption of multiple identities within the same thread is not to be allowed, nor the creation of identities of which the purpose is to ridicule, attack or insult another contributor.
I have employed the name “CIA-Funded Psy-Op” because the evidence is easily found that the EU is indeed a CIA-Funded Psy-Op. I have not ridiculed, attacked or insulted anybody; if Craig is due somewhere surely it is only good manners to arrive on time? I myself got from Edinburgh to London during a really heavy snow-storm that closed the M74 completely.
Your comments were deleted by a well-meaning mod but re-instated on review. But don’t push it…
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Here it is, easily found by anybody who searches:
http://original.antiwar.com/justin/2016/05/01/eu-cia-covert-operation/
“The upcoming British referendum on whether to stay in the European Union (EU) represents the culmination of a long term project by the United States to destroy the concept of national sovereignty in the Old World and replace it with a supranational entity with ironclad links to Washington.. Whether that longstanding ambition has succeeded will be decided on June 23 – which is why President Barack Obama made a special trip to the Mother Country to give them a little lecture on the alleged evils of nationalism and the goodness of the EU.”
What do you ever do about the people whining about “Little Englanders” which is a deliberate insult to the English?
Yup.
CIA funded the early stages of the EU.
Charlie Skelton quoting David Owen and others.
All documented.
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I like the way Charlie Skelton is now talking about “Project Love” and Craig still isn’t there to defend it.
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You know it, but Craig forbade using multiple IDs in the same thread. In order to follow Craig’s rules I am obliged to continue as CIA-Funded Psy-Op in this thread.
Alan, have you seen this:
http://www.moonofalabama.org/2016/06/gallery-dramatic-rescue-man-with-kid-runs-towards-camera-43-staged-pictures.html#more
The German tv clip – looks like it’s only ‘England’ thats voting?
yep, only those with fence posts up their backsides, and they are not Irish or Scottish.
Hearing Craig is finally almost there!
Long Wait My Friend…. Been Americas Cup – Ocupied – Messi
Be over shortly
Em whay hapend to my foto
Typo in your email. Fixed now.
Thank you Guys
Wonder if they’re taking questions from Craig’s blog?
For instance, in the light of many LEAVE voters doing so out of solidarity with Greece, and disgust at their treatment – bullying – by the EU, shouldn’t the lazy slander of “racist” against the LEAVE campaign be reconsidered?
Last I heard, Craig doesn’t expect to have access to the blog during the broadcast due to embassy security measures.
Another discussion point on a possible reason to leave…
Being condescended to in an incredibly aloof speech by a US President – which sounded rather more like a dressing down to underlings that might be getting out of hand. This insulted every lefty who prayed for his election, who really hates being called a racist.
We have had US Presidents running our leaders for decades. Perhaps this is chance for the rest of us to say what we think of it.
Do you think his intervention helped in the slightest?
Course they are Stopped His bPlane….Unheard of
This is incredible. Anyone watching the BBC? I’ve never seen the Establishment mouthpieces (Dimblebore, et al) look more worried, flustered and just – frightened, perhaps?
The miserable seething masses have been allowed a say. By jove, what a terrible mistake!
The world teeters on the edge…
Glen
They Did this To Us…..Indy ref
test
FT says 40 percent of the vote in Scotland is for Leave. I don’t think that was expected.
Turning and turning in the widening gyre
The falcon cannot hear the falconer;
Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned.
The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity.
Stunning Stuff… Thank you so much Squonk
I caught this morning morning’s minion, king-
dom of daylight’s dauphin, dapple-dawn-drawn Falcon, in his riding
Of the rolling level underneath him steady air, and striding
High there, how he rung upon the rein of a wimpling wing
In his ecstasy! then off, off forth on swing,
As a skate’s heel sweeps smooth on a bow-bend: the hurl and gliding
Rebuffed the big wind. My heart in hiding
Stirred for a bird, – the achieve of, the mastery of the thing!
Brute beauty and valour and act, oh, air, pride, plume, here
Buckle! AND the fire that breaks from thee then, a billion
Times told lovelier, more dangerous, O my chevalier!
No wonder of it: shéer plód makes plough down sillion
Shine, and blue-bleak embers, ah my dear,
Fall, gall themselves, and gash gold-vermilion.
I sit in the top of the wood, my eyes closed.
Inaction, no falsifying dream
Between my hooked head and hooked feet:
Or in sleep rehearse perfect kills and eat.
The convenience of the high trees!
The air’s buoyancy and the sun’s ray
Are of advantage to me;
And the earth’s face upward for my inspection.
My feet are locked upon the rough bark.
It took the whole of Creation
To produce my foot, my each feather:
Now I hold Creation in my foot
Or fly up, and revolve it all slowly –
I kill where I please because it is all mine.
There is no sophistry in my body:
My manners are tearing off heads –
The allotment of death.
For the one path of my flight is direct
Through the bones of the living.
No arguments assert my right:
The sun is behind me.
Nothing has changed since I began.
My eye has permitted no change.
I am going to keep things like this.
Loved the show. Please do again
Someone hand the mess Webley to Nevermind.
Well, according to the BBC, the leaves have it.
I shall now offer a prediction which will, I think, prove more accurate than the various prophecies on here over the last couple of days along the lines of “they will never allow a Brexit”.
It is that there will not be political chaos at Westminster.
After all, many of the Conservative Remainers were only luke-warm Remainers anyway.
And Mr Jeremy Corbyn and his ilk only came onside for reasons as yet inadequately explained.
And Mr Jeremy Corbyn and his ilk only came onside for reasons as yet inadequately explained.
They played that rather well, I thought. They had to retain a semblance of agreeing with the moneymen, and keep the pink tories onside for future reference, while not being so vehemently pro-EU as to de-energise the grass roots vote which got Corbyn in.
Whether we like it or not, the vote was for self-determination. Craig should understand the mood, I feel.
A couple of interesting posts which may have been missed:
https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2016/06/not-chilcot-report/comment-page-1/#comment-605854
The devils who have increased our national debt from £800 to £1800 BILLION as of today whilst transferring billions in intrastat VAT to Poland to fight Russia and Putin, have been defeated.
The devils who would have our disabled and needy commit suicide, in order to commit £2b to bombing assad per satanyahus instructions given to Lord Astors son-in law personally at 10 Downing, have been defeated.
The devils who would have an entire nation work at low wage, zero hour contracts, by importing hungry algerians and even hungrier rumanians to work at pittances, in order to finance wars and Trident missiles have been defeated.
The reptilian who employed pension raider green as a government efficiency consultant and krapf to transfer a whole towns 50 year economy to Poland, have been defeated.
But its just incredible a reptilians cousin milliband was immediately ushered into the Beeb to down Corbyn and retain power under a different Party. OMG – WE ARE DEALING WITH SATAN HERE, it can only be SATAN that can be so cunning.
We were lied to, sneered at, bullied, told we were thick, uneducated, racist. We had the entire weight of the establishment against us, big business and the media, in a campaign of relentless scaremongering.
But in the end we prevailed. Because we’re English (and Welsh) and we don’t take it lying down.
I am proud of my country today for the first time in many years. Well done to all of you supported Leave.
Now, I’ve got a champagne breakfast to attend 😉
Scotland, Northern Ireland, London, the educated Oxford, Cambridge, Aberystwyth largely vote remain.
It seems you brexiteers are in fact mainly Little Englanders, thick, uneducated racists.
Enjoy your champagne breakfast, it’s going to cost you much more dearly this morning and in the future.
Bad loser. Not sure if we want your sort here at all, old boy. Have you considered moving to Lithuania? Though it’s probably less well known for ivory towers teaching Neanderthal economics courses to the nation’s leaders.
Blimey. I didn’t think there was a chance in hell, so I went to bed at 10 pm.
Habbabkuk will now offer readers another prediction.
The future of the UK outside the EU will depend in large measure on the terms of leaving to be negotiated pursuant to Article 50 of the EU Treaty; this process will take at least 2 years.
I predict that the final shape of the leaving deal will be that much of current UK legislation arising out of EU legislation will remain largely unchanged.
Furthermore, just as the 1971/72 entry negotiations provided for phasing-in provisions over a number of years, so will the exit negotiations provide for phasing out over a number of years in certain areas.
Finally, the EU has shown itself to be very flexible and pragmatic over its history – as indeed has the UK. I should not be surprised if the UK electorate were to be offered a chance to pronounce itself – this time on the outcome of the future exit negotiations.
EU lawyers , as they have shown in the past,- are more than capable of creative(and positive) interpretations of the Treaty . I doubt whether Article 50 will be different.
The vote was not primarily about the EU.
It was about Westminster.
Austerity. Insane corporatism.
It’s about divided Britain.
All over the EU people will be emboldened to kick their tormentors out.
There goes that Atlanticist project.
At last.
Have to say Habba, for once I tend to agree with you.
16.1 million voted to remain. Workers and the young must not be the victims of this brexit vote.
Martin Schultz just made some sensible comments too on BBC Radio4 just now, the majority of young voters voted for Remain and the EU is prepared for all eventualities and will continue to work for a stable future for Europe’s workers and young people.
Interesting times.
The EU wasn’t too much concerned about Greek workers and young people, was it.
German arrogance is the current cause of most of the dissent in the EU and abroad.
And now it’ll break up from within, bit by bit.
It can be set up again, but next time it’d be better if done without those who are simply US puppets, particularly those clowns in eastern Europe.
75% of Westminster MPs were said to support remain but only 48% of voters went for remain, and so the disconnect in our system is revealed, but I wonder if the Liberals have the stomach to capitalise on this?
Do the Conservatives elect a new leader, call a general election and / or cabinet shuffle to bring in leavers.
Does Jeremy Corbyn move to seize the grassroots position, or do Blairites fight back to say they should be in the A50 negotiations?
Is UKIP redundant? Has it lost momentum and will it be left complaining about Conservatives being too slow on A50 timing, and / or will if focus on labour voters?
Is there a leaver change of position on when to invoke A50?
Will we leave or Is today the key catalyst in reforming the EU. The other EU countries failed to listen in 2015, but events events lead the day and it is perhaps likely now that events will dramatically shift positions. Will we see offers of reform?
What does America really think?
What will happen with NI and Scotland?
Interesting times.
Question is, now Britain’s outa the EU, what will change?
For most of the plebs, so despised by the metroplitan elite, immigration is the No. 1 issue. Will the tide now be stemmed? Will the flood recede? Will political correctness no longer prevail? Will Britain’s tradition of free speech be restored? Is multiculturalism dead? Unless the answer to these and relate questions is yes, the vote to leave the EU will mean little.
I hope that those decent leavers such a Jacob Rees Mogg, Andrea Leadsom and Jeremy Corbyn (for he was for leave until of late) enter into an unlikely alliance and thwart any outbreak of intolerance or thuggery.
The PM must surely shuffle his cabinet to reflect the vote and in do so he may undermines his own power base and once there is some feeling of some stability he may decide to resign.
Tolerance and mutual respect is now essential. We basically require national harmony and not division including in NI and Scotland.
Free at last, Free at last, Thank God almighty we are free at last.
Well, at least until TTIP.
Peace
The son-in-law is going to betray his roots now, expect complete shamelessness, the future of eretz shitsrael is at stake.
I doubt he will “geddit” this time like after the commons 2014 vote against bombing Syria (for the Al-Ghouta sarin false flag-google hersh).
Bye, bye Cameron, the most corrupt prime minister the UK has ever had.
A possible general election.
An almost certain Scottish independence referendum.
But most importantly, a finger up to the batshit crazies in Washington.
No, Blair was the most corrupt, although some would say Lloyd George. Cameron’s the laziest and least aware. And given the leaders of the Leave campaign, those batshit crazies are salivating in the wings. There may be a problem with the supremacy of Parliament – Cameron may well invoke that, put it to a vote in the House and decide not to bother leaving. The smell of tear gas may well become more familiar to the public in that case, but big interests are in play. There is most definitely a problem with Northern Ireland. And getting out will have to be a frustratingly long process open to all sorts of conditional clauses. Sturgeon will not hold another referendum until she is certain of winning it – don’t hold your breath.
On the bright side, Osborne has emerged as disposable waste – they want to lose him. This should be a matter for general rejoicing and an annual public holiday. The much-discussed £350M a week will be repatriated, £210M of which can continue to go to the regional aid for which Scotland and NI voted, cutting out the middleman, and the rest, with some trimming of the agricultural subsidy allocation, would usefully be employed in supporting public services and investment in innovative industry.
In an ideal world….but…