I hope today that people will remember Elizabeth Wilmshurst, Carne Ross, and Katherine Gun, who were all prepared to give up excellent careers to stand against the war in Iraq.
Blair is still a creature of absolute self-serving slime. His attempt yesterday to justify the invasion of Iraq as an effort to prevent a 9/11 on British soil is dishonest in every way. Blair knew full well that Iraq had nothing at all to do with 9/11 – that was his still friends and financiers the Saudi elite. The intelligence advice in advance of the invasion he received was unequivocal that it would increase the threat to the UK, and it directly caused the attacks of 7/7.
The broadcast media seem to think the Chilcot report is an occasion to give unlimited airtime to Blair and Alastair Campbell. Scores of supporters and instigators of the was have been interviewed. By contrast, almost no airtime has been given to those who campaigned against the war.
Cameron’s speech to parliament was such an out and out, and dishonest, apologia for the invasion that it bore no relationship to the report. Corbyn is no orator, but his genuine moral outrage was justified. The Blairites who heckled him from behind during his speech are disgusting. If any meaningful democratic choice is to be offered to people in England and Wales, the Blairites have to be removed from the Labour Party to join with their fellow Tories.
The SNP are playing a blinder on Chilcot. I do hope Salmond moves forward with impeachment, not least because it will both force the Blairites to expose themselves, and reveal the deep feelings against Blair’s actions in the military linked wing of the Tory party.
As predicted, Chilcot had to repeat the Butler Inquiry’s verdict that the intelligence was not fixed, because Chilcot was himself on the Butler Inquiry. It is a lie, the intelligence was knowingly fixed. More on that later.
I apologise these are very brief thoughts. I have not had the opportunity to pay the attention you would expect, as my mother has been taken into hospital and I had yesterday to dash down to Norwich. It will be a few days before I am able to concentrate on politics.
TFS,
I was working from home that day, in my little “computer room” – smallest bedroom in the house with the bedroom window wide open…
I didn’t hear anything. I live about 12 miles from the centre of London – (as the crow flies).
I looked outside to my front drive – and there were 2 extremely Large Birds – Flapping Like Crazy and Screeching Like Mad immediatelty below me a bit to the left – about 20 feet from me and my computer.
I knew something awful had happened…but I didn’t know what…My wife wasn’t at home.
I turned on the radio. I turned on the TV
7/7 had just happened. I did not know what was going on…but it spooked the London Birds…and it caused a ripple effect..at least as far as me 12 miles away…
I couldn’t contact my wife..They had shutdown the mobile phone system.
I didn’t know what happened -but heard Peter Power on the Radio and on BBC TV.
I reckon he was as shocked as me…I seriously do not think he knew….but the coincidence was so amazing – he knew he had to public – or he too could end up in court.
If he knew – he is an exceedingly good actor
Some of the people – who end up involved in such conspiracies – because that is what they are – will be totally innocent.
My wife was fine..but I didn’t know that…One of the explosions – was very close to where she used to work.
I still do not know what happened that day.
I can theorise as Anthony John Hill Did – but I have no proof
“7/7 Ripple Effect 2”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kwyzpzEgUWE
Tony
The problem with whitewash is it is water-soluble and the rain shows no sign of stopping.
So who is there amongst the ‘great and good’ steeped in culpability and guilt who could do the job Chilcot signally failed to do? This is only another and by no means yet, the definitive inquiry into the more recent depraved, genocidal and criminally insane policies and actions of the trojanned UK establishment.
The Pilger Inquiry?
The shooting by Texas police of Black people happens because they can get away with it.
The bombing by USUKIS of Muslim people happens because they can get away with it.
Blair and his ministers and Cameron and his ministers, just got away with it…
If police shooting of black people happens because the police can get away with it, then why does the police shooting of white people happen?
So far in 2016 123 black people have been shot and 238 white people have been shot. Given population mix a higher proportion of black people have been shot.
However the female population of the US is just over 50%. So far in 2016 484 men have been shot whereas only 25 women have been shot.
Does this mean that the police are operating on both a racist and exist basis with a very strong bias toward sexist behavior?
Katharine Gun asks…as some here have…
Why didn’t we hear about the Katharine Gun leak?
“Chilcot has shone a light [but] there are still bits of the puzzle that are missing,” writes Katharine Gun in The Guardian.
Thirteen years ago, she was a linguist with intelligence agency GCHQ when she received an email from the US National Security Agency (NSA) asking for intercepted communications of UN Security Council delegates.The US wanted any information that could be used to win the delegates over to its case for invasion.
“I was furious,” says Gun.
She leaked the email – and headlines accused the US of using “dirty tricks” to build a case for war.
Gun was charged with breaching the Official Secrets Act, but the case was dropped when her legal team asked to see all the legal advice given to Blair in the run-up to war.
“I was never questioned or asked to participate in the Chilcot inquiry,” she writes, adding that the report has not answered her questions about the email she leaked. She wants to know who gave the NSA official the go-ahead to write it – and what led him to expect GCHQ would facilitate US “dirty tricks”.
“How far did the surveillance operation proceed? Whose communications did they intercept and record?… It seems reasonable to ask why this crucial information was not included in the Chilcot inquiry?” she says.
http://www.theweek.co.uk/chilcot-inquiry/63414/chilcot-inquiry-will-tony-blair-be-charged-with-war-crimes
(full article here-)
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/08/chilcot-iraq-war-gchq-inquiry
The questions who gave the NSA official the go-ahead to write the Top Secret//COMINT//X1 email – and what led him to expect GCHQ would facilitate US “dirty tricks” together with “How far did the surveillance operation proceed? and “Whose communications did they intercept and record,” form the crucial framework that underpins and supports a case in EU privacy and international human rights law that confidently will be used to indict former PM Tony Blair and expose the legal advice given to Blair in the run-up to the illegal Iraq war as defined by the then United Nations Secretary-General Kofi Annan who said in September 2004 that: “From our point of view and the UN Charter point of view, it [the war] was illegal.
The UN Security Council, as outlined in Article 39 of the UN Charter, has the ability to rule on the legality of the Iraq war, but has yet not been asked by any UN member nation to do so, simply because the UK/US and France have said that such a substantive draft resolution will be vetoed. Nonetheless I believe a high profile court case may well entangle world opinion and disparage the vote.
https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2016/07/thoughts-after-chilcot/comment-page-3/#comment-610940
Nato summit: Obama expects the United Kingdom to continue Europe security role
now that word expects can be taken in more than one nuance
I expect the nuance that Obama implies, is the nuance of servitude
as one expects your servant will have cleaned and polished your boots and placed them in the hall, ready for you to go out riding and shooting in the morning.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-36744187
In 2017, the UK will also take over the running of a standby NATO force, with 3,000 troops based in the UK and Germany.
Mr Cameron said the UK was the second-largest contributor to NATO and accounted for a quarter of all European defence spending.
Now correct if I am mistaken but hasn’t Dave Cameron just been humiliatingly defeated by the United Kingdom Electorate.
What Dave Cameron wanted was not what the voters wanted.
Why does the cunt imagine his views are now important.
Why on Earth should the U.K. continue to spend 1/4 of all the treasure of Europe on war mongering.
Why not let the French and the Germans and the Italians do their bits?
Very much hope that your mum is improving and soon can get back home. yesterday a thousand young people demonstrated outside City Hall against the vote to leave the EU and on the same night some right wing cowards committed arson on an eastern European shop.
Norwich voted to stay in the EU, the only City in the whole of East Anglia to do so. But it seems that some Brexiteer cowards did not agree with the democratic decision of this fine City, so they fire bombed a Romanian shop in Magdalen street.
The austerity of the last 6 years has bred discord and violence, right wing groups are not controlled by our security services and these excesses in the dark of night will soon entertain the nation whence the right wing press goes into their caring for immigrants mode.
http://www.edp24.co.uk/news/shop_owner_describes_arson_attack_at_eastern_european_store_in_magdalen_street_norwich_1_4608759
British instructors to train 4,000 Ukrainian soldiers by March 2017 – British FM Hammond
https://www.rt.com/news/350256-british-instructors-ukrainian-soldiers/
What on Earth is Hammond on?
Who is he speaking for,
certainly not me or most of the BREXIT voters, we want OUT.
oiks can check out anytime you like
but you can never leave
rhose are the chatham house rules.
may man has balls of steel.
we are going in deeper
once simple folks bbc see the evil nature of putin new hitler
they will back us all the way to moscowitz.
nothing like are para marine and sas corpse
Which way Norwich voted is irrelevant. It’s you who doesn’t agree with the democratic decision of this country. You need to learn to accept it or go back to mutti.
I do agree with any vote that is carried out in public, but I don’t have to agree to the lies and wishful thinking that got you there. I’m in the EU anyway.
Norwich as a City has voted remain, a bastion of common sense in East Anglia. And Mutti so far this year, has taken in 222.000 refugees from the USUKIS inspired middle east massacres.
Thanks to us, hallo Phillip Hammond, the terror in Bahrain and Yemen will carry on. I hope that refugees from those countries Government induced terror, torture and illegal use of cluster munitions will want to settle here.
yes Tony, you have left the EU. I have not! And whatever your petty parking problems, have another glass.
“But it seems that some Brexiteer cowards did not agree with the democratic decision of this fine City, so they fire bombed a Romanian shop in Magdalen street.”
This is despicable bollocks from a coward who cannot accept the democratic will of the country. As the article states at least four times, there is NO evidence the attack was motivated by the referendum result.
And I hope you will dissociate yourself from the action, whatever caused it. Because your visceral dislike of (all) foreigners is demonstrated daily here. The EU debate has become very nasty (and I’m not saying it’s all onesided, either.) Let’s calm down, eh?
Why should I “disassociate” myself when we do not know what caused it? That would imply that I am “associated” with it, whatever “it” was.
“Because your visceral dislike of (all) foreigners is demonstrated daily here.”
Bollocks.
“The EU debate has become very nasty (and I’m not saying it’s all onesided, either.)”
Indeed. I’ve met many people who voted Remain and nobody has any ill-feeling. I think you’re buying into MSM propaganda that Brexit has unleashed waves of hatred against foreigners (and we should have a second vote).
“bollocks” doesn’t answer it as well as your posting record, I’m afraid. You can’t even refrain from basing your replies to Nevermind on his nationality, your ubiquitous comments on Muslims are shameful, and you appear to worship Farage. My statement is fair.
I personally know at least two elderly Leave ladies who have had abuse from their Remain former friends for their decision – it cuts both ways, even if you don’t look at social media. That’s not bollocks, either. Now get a bloody grip.
It’s gone beyond trying to reason with Nevermind. I don’t know how you can read his posts over this many years about “Little Endlanders” and so on, and not come to the conclusion that he believes
GermanyEurope should reign supreme over our democracy.Re Muslims, I hold no dislike of Muslims. I have spent over half my life in Muslim countries and enjoyed their cultures and hospitality immensely. I have serious misgivings about their religion, Islam, which I believe to be inclined towards hatred, violence and intolerance. Perhaps one day the Left will have the decency to admit that Islam is opposed to all their core beliefs.
And I am entitled to to express any opinion about a religious doctrine I see fit.
“And I hope you will dissociate yourself from the action, whatever caused it. Because your visceral dislike of (all) foreigners is demonstrated daily here. The EU debate has become very nasty (and I’m not saying it’s all onesided, either.) Let’s calm down, eh?”
What you say may seem obvious to you now but when I said the same things about the Scottish nationalism campaign there were plenty couldn’t or wouldn’t see it. Plenty in denial about that, plenty convinced themselves there were no anti-English tribalist racist sentiments involved, that their nationalism was pure.
BREXIT
EXIT
EDIT
SIT
SIP
SNP
And they deny they are a cult?
Keep chanting the mantras no need for reasoned thought.
I don’t regard Anon as typical of Brexiteers or anyone else, Fred. Of those who voted Leave, his opinions are in a distinct minority. Like the SNP, Leave attracted all sorts of interests. Like the Unionists, Remain did too. IMO you are suffering from confirmation bias – you’re looking for what you resent, and finding it, as you inevitably will in any group of people with a common interest.
What you might pay more attention to is the notion that both Yes and Leave represented massive votes of no confidence in a system of government which apparently only exists to benefit speculative investors, without reference to the security and stability of the societies which they parasitise.
Look for that, and I’ll guarantee you find it. Anyone I’ve spoken to about their Leave vote regarded it, usually after being completely confused by disinformation by both sides, as a very rare opportunity to say ‘a plague on both your houses’. Or, verbatim – ” fuck the lot of them”. For all the SNP’s (traditional) ballyhoo, that was at least a factor in the Scottish referendum too.
Anyway, you won’t have to live with Brexit if the SNP realises its intention of being ‘independent’ within the EU. Lucky you, eh?
He may not be typical of what people say in a public forum but he is very much typical of what the majority in meatspace were thinking. You don’t honestly believe the masses all sat down and worked out the pros and cons of a single market do you? It was the treat of a million Turks landing at Dover they were voting on.
‘meatspace’, Fred? Absent from causes you support, only present in the ones you dislike? It’ll be ‘untermensch’, next. And whatever happened to that worldwide concord of all good men and true, nationalities and opinions cast into the dustbin of universal brotherhood?
I haven’t come across anyone who was too worried by the Turkish lie, anyway. Quite a lot of ‘meatspace’ realised it was a phoney. They had more immediate concerns, like the actual, visible, and increasing problems of pressure on wages and infrastructure in places like Boston, Lincs or Peterborough. Where rarely is heard/ An Anglophone word, these days.
Keep chanting the mantras no need for reasoned thought
I’m making a point, Fred. The fact that you can’t see it rather proves it.
“meatspace’, Fred?”
Yes meatspace, the opposite of cyberspace, the real world.
Anon1s may be a rarity on political blogs but they’re ten a penny in the real world as the Brexit result testifies.
NM – so sorry to hear about this. It’s a rude awakening for me. I thought I lived in a civilised and tolerant part of the country. Dark days indeed.
Seconded. Take *heart*, though…
http://www.heart.co.uk/eastanglia/news/local/incredible-support-shown-for-firebombed-shop/
Thanks Rose and Ba’al. The people of Norwich are showing their disgust of this horrible action, I hope these cowards will be found and arrested soon, there is some CCTV footage being studied at present.
http://www.edp24.co.uk/news/crime/norwich_unites_to_raise_thousands_of_pounds_for_romanian_shop_damaged_by_arson_1_4610334
So former president of the EU Commission, José Manuel Barroso, is to become chairman of Goldman Sachs International.
Didn’t see that coming.
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Some years ago there was a website called World Reports .org – until it’s founder sufffered a sudden “illness & died”,C.I.A. style.On that site he alleged that the Blessed Tony was rewarded with $100,000,000 paid into a bank inn Belize for his support of Bush’s Iraq war.
“yesterday a thousand young people demonstrated outside City Hall against the vote to leave the EU”
You have to laugh at this stuff from Nevermind.
A) The country voted to Leave the EU with a 72% turnout.
B) Just 30% of young people bothered to vote.
C) Nevermind hates democracy.
Some people just simply don’t seem to get the way democracy works. A majority got off their backsides to vote “leave” and the losers just have to accept the will of the people. Otherwise, they are quite free to leave the UK before we leave the EU, but they won’t, because whining is all they ever do.
Nevermind Nevermind despite the fact that he/she seems to mind a lot.
They don’t even know what they’re whining about. Ask a Remainian the difference between the EU Parliament and the EU Commission. Don’t know. Ask them who their MEP is. Don’t know. It’s a weakness, a fear of things changing, a vague belief that to do otherwise to what our metropolitan elite wants is “racist”, and a complete disbelief that this country has the ability to rule itself. Generation Snowflake is particularly poor having been reared during the Blair years to think they are speshul and know better than their forefathers who fought and died to preserve this country’s freedom .
No coincidence that Scotland and London brought up the Remain vote.
Should have added to the end of the first paragraph: have at least been around long enough to know what the EU has become from what they first voted for.
Only Norwich voted to Remain of the seven Norfolk districts. County-wide the vote for Leave was 59%.
All 14 districts of Lancashire voted to Leave.
The ones who wanted to stay are the ones who were getting big handouts from the EU…like Scotland.
And don’t try to tell me otherwise. I was involved in the dismantling of a factory in Slough and moving the machinery to Scotland because the EU made it worth the companies while to up sticks to Lanarkshire.
What about the E.U. funding to dismantle the Ford van plant in Southampton, and move it to Turkey.
Now ford had been building Transt vans in their English plant in Southampton for sixty productive years.
suddenly it is a good idea to move to Asiatic Turkey.
Now presumably Ford thought they could get very much cheaper workers in Asiatic Turkey, than in England,
they are SCUM, Ford that is. How are the European workers going to benefit from this -answer-they will not benefit-they will loose out.
But the intrigue is
the E.U. is actively smoothing the way for Turkey to join the E.U.
Now can anyone remember just before the Referendum telling all who would listen than Turkey would not join the E.U. until the year 3,000?
If Turkey ever joins the EU, Turkish workers will be European workers. But no country has been pushing Turkey’s EU Membership harder than the UK, so Brexit actually makes it less likely to happen. The Austrians will veto if no one else does.
So Dave Cameron is a contortionist – he can face both ways at the same time.
He could join the circus with the father of ex-prime minister Major.
So on the one hand Dave Cameron tells the United Kingdom public that turkey will not join the E.U. until the 3,000
but what did Dave Cameron do to help prevent Ford destroying the livelyhoods of English Ford workers in Southampton.
Did he do all he could, to prevent the European Union from “Flashing the Cash” to facilitate Ford moving from England to Turkey, which was being orchestrated to move Turkey from the Middle East into the E.U. fold?
Yup. Norwich is an island of prosperity in an agricultural hinterland in which migrant labour is very widely and visibly employed, and which voted unanimously Leave. Additionally, it is a centre which attracts the technical and professional strata and has a university (young middleclass voters, EU funding compensating for the UK’s criminal negligence of HE issues) Demographically, roughly what you’d find in the nicer bits of London, I’d say, but less driven.
Scotland – “Independent in the EU”.
Still laughing.
And with all this talk of racism, those predominately Scottish people in Harthill weren’t shedding any tears over the predominately migrant people in Slough whose jobs they were taking. Back in 2008 this was, when Brown was PM.
Wales ?
Do keep up Alan, your bitterness is showing.
‘Wales ?’
Harthill is in Lanarkshire. I wasn’t aware there was a Harthill in Wales. There is also one near Sheffield though and another in Cheshire.
By the way, my granddaughter has a Welsh father. What’s to be bitter about? I got paid well for dismantling and moving the machinery to Harhill, Scotland. On the other hand, I could understand why the people in Slough might have been bitter, with all their jobs going to Scotland.
I wonder, did Slough, by any chance, vote out?
Oh yes, I just checked, Slough indeed voted for Brexit. I guess all those jobs going to Lanarkshire might have made them bitter.
Alan at 22:08
“The ones who wanted to stay are the ones who were getting big handouts from the EU…like Scotland.”
Wales!
How did Cheshire vote in the European Freedom Revolution?
Apparently there will be new opportunities in Cheshire soon.
Radioactive waste from decommissioned Royal Navy nuclear submarines will be stored in Cheshire, the Ministry of Defence has announced.
A site in Capenhurst, near Ellesmere Port, has been selected to store steel containers from 19 redundant vessels.
The components, described as having “intermediate” radioactivity, were used to house the submarines’ core reactors but no longer carry nuclear fuel.
They will be stored by Capenhurst Nuclear Services and later disposed of.
The firm said the project would create “potential future opportunities” for its workforce
Radioactive waste from decommissioned Royal Navy nuclear submarines will be stored in Cheshire, the Ministry of Defence has announced.
A site in Capenhurst, near Ellesmere Port, has been selected to store steel containers from 19 redundant vessels.
The components, described as having “intermediate” radioactivity, were used to house the submarines’ core reactors but no longer carry nuclear fuel.
They will be stored by Capenhurst Nuclear Services and later disposed of.
The firm said the project would create “potential future opportunities” for its workforce
http://www.chesterchronicle.co.uk/news/chester-cheshire-news/no-nuclear-waste-dump-chester-5233033
THE government is likely to be told that Chester does not wish to be considered as the location for an underground nuclear dump.
The controversial issue is due to be raised at a meeting of the Town Hall Executive tomorrow (Thursday, September 4).
Environment executive member Jill Houlbrook (Con, Upton Grange) says the city council has been approached by Hilary Benn’s Department for the Environment, Food and Rural Affairs (DEFRA) to see if it is interested in having a nuclear waste dump in the district.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-36750420
I can’t believe that disgusting NULABOUR Hilary Benn,
how dare he try and fob communities off with Submarine nuclear reactors they no longer want
has he no shame.
What would we do without these intrepid updates regaling the social bona fides of our resident narcissist?
They truly are a gift of the Celtic Gods to the purified souls of Beef Supreme Lancashire. 🙂
I hope and pray your Mother will be fine Craig, a very good piece non the less, especially when you have had the worry about your Mother.
the day after chill pill chilcot
silence
lessons not learned.
chilcot is history
a few sent to islington hampstead library.
the rest pulped.
blair reduced his talk fee to 125 thousand.
soon to be relaxing on cliff richard
and branson island
the silence of the not learned lesson
enquiry
enquiry with her majesty seal.
privy council oxy action bleacher
who remembers butler.
hurrah for mancurian candidate
anthony lynton toilet trader
It did occur to me that Blair was a toilet trader. But then came his conquest of Rupe’s wife. He’s definitely a straight kinda guy. Or maybe ‘Third Way’.
Cottager is the correct term.
blair reduced his talk fee to 125 thousand.
soon to be relaxing on cliff richard
and branson island
His next detectable appearance will be next Friday, in Little Rock, Arkansas, before an invited* audience, who will not be paying. This is a Clinton Foundation gig, and it is good to know Bill ‘n Shrill will always support
someone who knows where the bodies are buriedtheir fellow-philanthropist in his time of need.* possibly people on food stamps, attracted by a free buffet?
“Mr Cameron said the UK was the second-largest contributor to NATO and accounted for a quarter of all European defence spending.”
There in a sentence is the story of the British Economy since 1945- continuous decline punctuated only by vast expenditures on useless armaments and silly neo-colonial actions to ingratiate the ruling class with the USA.
The capital accumulated over centuries wasted by idiots with tickets to leave the country.
Bevin:
“The capital accumulated over centuries wasted by idiots with tickets to leave the country”
Islam does not allow a Muslim, i.e. a human being of conscience who tries to obey God’s rules ( 3rd edition, available from any good bookshop ) to inherit from a non-Muslim. The accumulated capital of the colonials like Craig’s Burnes and neo-colonials like Blair are not something of interest for those of us who object to their violent, criminal means of acquisition. The money is cursed by its criminal origin.
The whole point about Blair and Thatcher is the generation that fought 2 world wars had submitted themselves to a new way of doing business i.e not persecuting your own citizens and not persecuting other nations. Thatcher and Blair looked at this policy and thought fuck that for a game of conkers , we’re never going to get rich doing it that way => engage reverse gear. Bring back colonialism and Victorian slums.
Blair is claiming legitimacy by comparison with history, but our history was shit. He should , and eventually will be judged against the standards that apply today, the legacy of the 2nd world war, the standards of he Geneva convention and the welfare state.
We could all compare ourselves to the Dark Ages, indeed that is one of the purposes of the USUKIS creation of Islamic State.
They want us to forget the international law that applies today.
‘a human being of conscience who tries to obey God’s rules’
Why does a human being of conscience need to follow any rules other than those of his/her conscience?
As for ‘God’s rules’, well… LMAO
Morality And Contradictions in ‘God’s word’
http://nobeliefs.com/DarkBible/darkbible5.htm
“And that servant, which knew his lord’s will, and prepared not himself, neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes.” (Luke 12:47) Hey, give your servant a good thrashing every now and again eh?
“And your children shall wander in the wilderness forty years, and bear your whoredoms, until your carcases be wasted in the wilderness. After the number of the days in which ye searched the land, even forty days, each day for a year, shall ye bear your iniquities, even forty years, and ye shall know my breach of promise.” (Numbers 14:33-34) Oh what a kind loving father indeed.
Alan
Your reading from the 1st edition with many misprints and additions.
Oh sorry! Let’s talk about Abraham instead, eh?
He brought his wife Sarah to Memphis. She was extremely young, almost a child compared to him, for she was only sixty-five. As she was very beautiful he resolved to turn her beauty to account, and said to her: “Pretend to be my sister, that it may go well with me for your sake.” He should rather have said: “Pretend to be my daughter.” The king fell in love with the young Sarah, and gave the self-styled brother many sheep, oxen, asses, she-asses, camels, man-servants and maids: which proves that Egypt was already a very powerful, very civilized, and consequently very ancient kingdom, and that brothers who came and offered their sisters to the kings of Memphis were magnificently rewarded. According to the scriptures the young Sarah was ninety when God promised her that Abraham, who was then 160, would give her a child that year.
Abraham, who loved to travel, went into the horrible desert of Kadesh with his pregnant wife, still young and still pretty. A king of this desert did not fail to fall in love with Sarah as had the king of Egypt. The father of the faithful told the same lie as in Egypt: he passed off his wife as his sister, and this again earned him a profit of sheep, oxen, men-servants and maids. We might say that Abraham grew very rich by means of his wife.
What a way to treat your wife, whoring her out to rich kings. Very moral indeed.
Is this the same god who said “Happy is the one who seizes your infants and dashes them against the rocks.” (Psalm 137:9)?
Let’s ask ourselves the question ‘Is God a psychopathic god?’ Has he got any moral standards worth mentioning?
http://www.truthbeknown.com/mental.htm
Oh yes, and was Jesus a cannibal?
“He who eats my flesh and drinks my blood abides in me, and I in him.”
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That means Killing fields, Hillary
I hope your mother is OK?
The UK is to send up to 50 additional military personnel to Afghanistan to train and advise security forces there.
They will join the 450 British troops already in the country – and will aid counter-terrorism efforts and provide leadership training.
Officials have said the additional troops will not be taking part in combat operations against the Taliban.
UK troops had been due to leave Afghanistan this year but will now have their mission extended into 2017.
Prime Minister David Cameron, who is attending a Nato summit in Warsaw, will announce the deployment later.
It comes after US President Barack Obama this week announced a slowdown in the US military withdrawal from Afghanistan.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-36753390
I do not understand what Obama means by a “Slowdown”
does he mean a ramping up in agression
I thought we had been told that if we dared to vote for BREXIT there would be a 20 – 40 billion pound BLACK HOLE
and that pensions would have to be cut, borrowing would have to go up, taxes would have to go up and the NHS and the armed services would have to loose personnel.
We seem to be living in an alternative universe,
where words come to mean the opposite of an original / ordinary / common meaning.
I expect I am mistaken.
The triumphal braying of the Leave supporters is sickening, and their cries about “respecting democracy” are hypocritical. The vote was 50/50, close as a gnat’s whisker, the margin of majority a small fraction of those who didn’t vote at all. The only honest response is to admit; “the electorate are undecided”. I said the same of the Scottish independence referendum.
Neither camp won the debate. Indeed, there was no debate; just propaganda. The referendum was ill-conceived, no plans made for any of the outcomes and no provision for an indeterminate result; if Boris had been the only one who’d voted his single cross would have determined the outcome.
This wasn’t a political choice. It was a Tory publicity stunt that backfired.
Jeremy Corbyn set for leadership challenge after peace talks fail
Clark I think you will find there was much disinformation coming from the ilke of Cameron-Osborne-Hammond-Carney-Obama
20-40 billion pound BLACK HOLE if we dared to vote leave, the N.H.S. would have to loose staff, the Military would have to loose staff, World War Three would start, Pensions would have to be cut, Taxes would have to go up,
spending across the board would have to be SLASHED.
Yet a week or so after the UNITED KINGDOM Voters
went for LEAVE more U.K. military have been promised for Afghanistan, Ukraine, Estonia, Poland,
you will see, we will nod through the next phase of TRIDENT.
TURKEY is getting the rolled out carpet treatment from the hated E.U.
So Clark you have been sold a false prospectus by the REMAIN BASTARDS
Let’s see who was on the REMAIN Propaganda:
Blair
Brown
Kinnock
Mandelson
Straw
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Read more at http://www.strongerin.co.uk/#b7UimQuuYScEedtR.99
“The vote was 50/50, close as a gnat’s whisker, the margin of majority a small fraction of those who didn’t vote at all.
The vote was 52/48. A clear majority of well over a million votes. If you don’t vote then you don’t count – sorry.
“The only honest response is to admit; “the electorate are undecided”. I said the same of the Scottish independence referendum.”
The electorate is decided. It voted to Leave. You said the same in the of the Scottish referendum because you lost that one, too. You would not be complaining if you had been on the winning side.
“Neither camp won the debate. Indeed, there was no debate; just propaganda.”
Leave won against the combined forces of Osborne, Cameron, Obama, Juncker, Tusk, Schulz, Hollande, Soros, the CBI, the IoD, the Banks, Goldman Sachs, Apple, Amazon, Microsoft, Google, the BBC, Sky, C4 and Eddie Izzard. Against every dirty trick imaginable, scaremongering, threats, lies, smears, extended deadlines and the shameless exploitation of the death of a young MP.
But we STILL WON. So get over it, move on, and stop crying.
You forgot the despicable Hammond
If the government ( who ever they may be in a few months time)
came to a considered position that the postal votes had been “mismanaged”, that the extended voter registration had not been legal/acceptable, that the lies of Cameron-Osborne-Carney were so outrageous as to have been downright LIES
that TURKEY is to be fast-tracked to join the hated E.U.
and so on
that it would only be correct to have a re-run ( like in AUSTRIA)
LEAVE would win by a much bigger margin
people do not like being “mislead” by their betters.
Here’s the government response to the much-publicised petition calling for a second referendum (in order to give the electorate a chance to get it right next time):
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Doubtless, those complaining would be just as unhappy – on point of principle of course – had the result gone the other way by the same margin.
“(in order to give the electorate a chance to get it right next time)”
Even if there were another referendum and remain won, that couldn’t be the end of it. That would make it 1-1 and there would have to a third, play-off referendum to act as the decider.
Leave would win the best of three and Remain would demand a second best of three.
My unofficial response:
“Sorry, but your petition was hacked to death with 30,000 signatures from the Vatican City (pop. 800), and thousands more from British Antarctic Territories and North Korea. It would appear someone was taking the piss. Even so, your petition did not come close to the 17.2 million votes to Leave the EU. And it wasn’t official.
So stop whining, accept the democratic decision of the British people, and shove your petition up your arse.
Not forgetting 365,483 from the UK.
Clark, sorry to be pedantic, but accuracy is important. Are you saying that the results were as close as a gnat’s whisker or a gnat’s other thing?
Ah yes, I had forgotten Cameron’s threat of WW3. One for the Brexit commemorative scrap book.
This is the same Cameron who went to the EU begging for a deal, asked for very little and came away with fuck all. At the time he said he still had an open mind and would support leaving the EU if it didn’t give in to his pathetic demands, which they didn’t. So he pretended they did, waving a piece of paper proclaiming reform in our times, and threw his support behind Remain.
And then WW3. He had an open mind about committing this country to WW3. So he’s either a liar or a fucking threat to humanity.
BREAKING NEWS: Government REJECTS petition calling for second Brexit referendum signed by four million people
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3682084/Government-REJECTS-petition-calling-second-Brexit-referendum-signed-four-million-people.html#ixzz4Dua03GCQ
PM David Cameron has formally rejected a second Brexit referendum despite an official petition which received more than 4.1 million signatures.
David Cameron is almost history.
He should have gone within two days of the BREXIT results,
why is he hanging on?
“David Cameron is almost history. He should have gone within two days of the BREXIT results, why is he hanging on?”
Obviously he is a Klingon…
OK leaving the room now.
breaking the Eagle has landed
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/index.html
Alastair Campbell, Hilary Benn, Neil Kinnock, Stephen Kinnock, Jack Straw, Will Straw, Tony Blair, Gordon Brown, Angela Eagle
beg Jeremy Corbyn to stand aside for their own sakes.
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/chilcot-inquiry-report-jack-straw-role-in-iraq-war-exposed-a7123081.html
Yes, funny that. I was just wondering if my memory was defective re. Straw’s role in Iraq. His recent statements didn’t mesh at all with what I remembered of his involvement, which was as usual to shun publicity and support Blair in every imaginable respect. So, no trip to the Alzheimer’s clinic just yet. Phew.
You could use Straw to pack high-temperature bearings, couldn’t you? Molybdenum grease isn’t in it.
NATO summit in Warsaw decides, by the by, that their greatest mission worldwide, the war in Afghanistan has not finished and that it is carrying on its mission. This means more Afghan civilians will be faced with violence and terror and our soldiers will die for a cause that has not diminished in 13 years of fighting.
Anybody made anything of it here?
http://www.spiegel.de/politik/ausland/nato-in-afghanistan-endlos-mission-auch-fuer-die-bundeswehr-a-1102212.html
JC will vow today to address a future Durham Miners’ Gala as Prime Minister, in a clear sign of confidence that he can defeat any challenge to his leadership — and the Tories.
https://www.morningstaronline.co.uk/a-d577-Ill-come-back-to-Gala-as-PM-says-Corbyn
why is cameron hanging on?
sending british soldiers to estonia,latvia more to poland got police and marines in ukrainia he got nato meetings and more nato meetings.
he got deals to sign with king bibi nuttyahoo and the mother of all frauds new nuclear submarine systems mad contract signing.
locked in for 50 years sell off then lease back the last of the hospitals and schools.
100s of billions of dollars worth of deals for pennies in the pound or the real pig sex abuse videp will be murdoch released.
Edward Harle aka Christopher Story exposes corruption, corruption, corruption and died in 2010 having been exposed to Fort Meade’s eugenics weapon, H1N1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jug-W-DKcms
Just don’t understand all; the concern about the Blairs et al., and the West’s imperial wars.
If we had only adopted a similar approach for dealing with the fallout from WWII, we would have a still better world.
Just think of post-war inquiries with the alleged losers, headed by people like Franz von Papen and Albert Speer, conducting tribunals at places like Nuremberg.
Instead of having all kinds of scapegoating of individuals, and quibbling over real achievements, we could have put the post-war world on a much more solid footing.
Along the way. we would have seen the excesses in assassinating well-meaning opponents like Admiral Yamamoto and Reinhard Heydrich, and the unnecessary measures of driving leaders like Heinrich Himmler to suicide.
And many social problems, like finally finding a home for Europe’s Jewry, and its displaced Germans, were adequately solved.
We now are really getting a similar handle on dealing with the displaced, and improperly ruled people of the Middle East.
Better late than never, as the saying goes.
Angela Eagle has announced that she will run for the Labour Party leadership beginning Monday 11th July.
https://www.change.org/p/labour-party-electorate-tell-two-faced-angela-eagle-to-withdraw-from-the-election
If you are eligible to vote in the leadership contest, please will you consider reading, signing and publicising my petition publicly requesting her to withdraw. Many thanks, John
I suspect Angel Eagle is a stalking horse. The Blairites are not confident of bringing down Corbyn yet but need to maintain their momentum. When the time is right, Hilary Benn will make his move and Angela Eagle will be rewarded for her help.
Stalking Mare
angela eagle should be respected not judged on her original male gender the same goes for may day.
these fine upstanding once men are true giant fallen to earth for sure.
so what if they have chilcott size files of secret for control and blackmail.
ms eagle should be judged on her westminster voting record and her love for toilet trader anthony lynton
charles blair.
the eagle bros have the looks charm and sheer spunk to take labour back to tory blair gory as a firm friend of king bibi and mark regev just shows she is on the right side of bbc history
I don’t know when the right time might be. Conference will almost certainly bring back compulsory reselection for candidates and Benn may find himself out on his ear before he can put his name in the hat.
That’s all we need, a boy named Sue…. err make that Hilary, running the Labour Party.
Angela Eagle has announced that she will run for the Labour Party leadership beginning Monday 11th July.
I hope she has the decency to wear a tracksuit. PPE Oxford, of course. Supported Iraq, of course. Economically deluded, of course …
In April 2008 Eagle took part in a debate in Parliament on the UK economy in which the Liberal Democrats tabled a motion suggesting that the country was facing an “extreme bubble in the housing market” and the “risk of recession”. Eagle responded stating “Fortunately for all of us … that colourful and lurid fiction has no real bearing on the macro-economic reality.“[6] A year later Jeremy Browne, who led the original debate, said her comments “summed up the Government’s delusional attitude.” towards warnings of financial crisis[7]
[Wikipedia]
JSD,
No good petitioning, we have always known either Owen Smith or Angela ‘dithering’ Eagle will mount a challenge against Corbyn, since the coup numerous websites with dodgy providence have appeared all harking on about saving the Labour Party, one promoted by a dodgy millionaire who owns Hull City Football Team.
Given we have an ‘existential’ battle on for the heart and sole of what little remains of the Labour Movement, its now essential that for every one vote we are aware that Eagle will gain, that this vote is cancelled out by a new member of the Labour Party and that a further Corbyn vote is added for good measure – those who engaged last year in the Leadership election we’re already exposed to the dirty tricks of the Labour Establishment, such dirty tricks, now honed by 10 months of research/analysis by various PR agencies and Consultancies associated with New Labour, will be deployed across Social Media and the MSM – the opening Salvo’s began Friday and have increased today – hence, we now require action and not words, and that means making efforts to encourage friends and family members to join Labour as either full members, or sing up as supporters to vote for Corbyn – given how far I am away from the UK, I can at most bring 6-8 to the Corbyn table, but we need another 25,000 persons like me to do likewise if we are to defeat the dirty tricks that New Labour is about to unleash it its totality against Corbyn – the Phoney War is over, now for the real stuff and its going to be brutal – hubris by Corbyn supporters will cause defeat, its not in the bag and we must bring more votes on board for Corbyn, failure to do so ensures the end of the Labour Movement, it will be a Tory-lite Party, further to the right than it is today because the Tories have now just taken a huge leap further rightwards. Time to engage across Social media, attack anti-Corbyn bias across the MSM and try and defeat this coup once and for all.
Read the petition. I want everyone who is even considering voting for Angela Eagle to see it.
100 signatures in less than 4 hours. I am relieved! I’ve never launched a petition before and was terrified no-one would sign it. If anyone signed it from here, thank you, and please share as widely as possible. J
I have just heard Eagle claiming that Corbyn “doesn’t connect with Labour voters”.
And Hodge asserting that Corbyn is “devious” and “wants to destroy the Labour Party”
Time to join Labour (on the possibly mistaken assumption that Labour Party members will be allowed an opinion): the entry fee might well be spent on buying either of those two a mirror.
Ba’al, do please join up. I paid my three quid to vote for Corbyn, and that entitled me to attend my Constituency Labour Party meeting. Many others have joined for the same reason, and many spoke at the meeting. Then a tall man with immaculate suit, hairdo and great charisma proposed a motion telling Corbyn to back down, and the disapproval in the room was palpable. Shortly after, an ageing and frail-looking man with a quiet voice of foreign accent proposed a very clever motion telling the Parliamentary Labour Party to knuckle under and support their new leader’s policies, and a great surge of enthusiasm surged through the room. This second motion was voted upon and passed 39 to 4.
Can anyone tell me why, after all these years of posting, my last one is immediately awaiting moderation when it has never happened before?
Do the mods read posts when they are still being composed?
My posts go into automatic moderation when they contain words that turn out to be triggrr words. I’d give examples, but that would result in automatic moderation of this posting.
Words like Blair, Chilcot, Himmler, Heydrich, von Papen, Speer, Nuremberg, Nazis?
Gess not.
Must be check list of trials for war crimes, etc;
How about Jewry, displacement of, anti-semitism, solution of?
Bingo, finally found the words, ones one should immediately suspect!
AUSTRIA’s outgoing president warns against populism and xenophobia?
http://www.euronews.com/2016/07/08/austria-s-outgoing-president-warns-against-populism-and-xenophobia/
He’d do better worrying about fiddled Presidential elections,
that’s why they are having a re-run.
Austria’s outgoing President has left office with a plea for the country to resist populism and xenophobia.
In his farewell speech Heinz Fischer (77) spoke out against the rhetoric of potential successor Norbert Hofer from the far-right Freedom Party (FPO).
The decision to re-run the May presidential election, won by a small margin by Green candidate Alexander van der Bellen, has left Brussels on edge in light of the Brexit referendum result.
Responding to press reports that his party would seek it’s own EU referendum, Hofer told Austrian daily Die Presse that he is not in favour of leaving, an apparent back-pedal from previous statements immediately after the Brexit vote.
His rival Van der Bellen said that ‘fantasising about an EU exit is to play with fire.’
The potential victory of a far-right candidate in Austria has Europe worried. Politicians fear it could fuel other far-right and anti-EU movements across the continent.
BREAKING
Trident vote to be held before the end of July, Dave Cameron confirms
They are rushing through the war programme before the new administration gets a grip
utterly shocking, what a disregard for the people of the United Kingdom
and for Chilcot.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/jul/09/trident-vote-to-be-held-in-parliament-announces-cameron
Yes Michael according to radio news the vote will be held in nine days time, Britain’s economy is going down the pan, yet the Tories want to pander to their US masters and renew obsolete and unusable WMD’s.
I’m hoping a vote to leave the UK, and stay in the EU by Scots will be successful second time around. That would see the end of nukes in Scotland, Spain told the US to remove their WMD’s, pretty sharpish, I see no reason why Scotland couldnt do the same with Westminster.
Hang on, weren’t you campaigning for Brexit, I distinctly remember you repeating the “Turks access to Schegen areas” scare story on the blog before the referendum.
You wanted Brexit you got what you wanted how can you now be claiming that is grounds for another Scottish referendum? You wanted UK out and now you want to get Scotland back in leaving the UK still out.
Wanting Scotland within an EU that has England / Westminster out seems a valid position to me.
Well, well, well, ex-permanent secretary to the Treasury Sir Nicholas MacPherson, has come out in a interview in the Financial Times, claiming that an independent Scotland could be a prosperous place to live and work in.
Macpherson also said that a Scottish pound would be viable, and that Scotland would do well in the EU, and it wouldn’t necessarily need to adopt the Euro, Macpherson cited Sweden, which has been committed to joining the Euro for more than 20 years yet, Sweden doesn’t look like giving up the Krona anytime soon.
Returning to the Scottish referendum of 2014 Macpherson claimed the exact opposite of his above claims, the Treasury which is mean’t to be impartial in those type of matters, through Macpherson propigated fearmongering on a grand scale. So much so that the (PASC) the Public Affairs Select Committee, said the Treasury, had risked the Civil service’s reputation for impartiality.
Better Togethers 2014 campaign was based on fear and lies from the highest level down, don’t let those lying b*stards plant the seeds of doubt, in the next Scottish referendum which I expect to be held sooner than later.
http://www.thenational.scot/news/treasury-mandarin-who-warned-against-currency-union-now-says-scotland-leaving-uk-is-now-a-golden-opportunity.19786
Enjoy your Scottish new TRIDENT
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMNB_Clyde
HMS Vanguard (S28)
so we are going to have a new Scottish nuclear deterrent based on the Clyde,
ready for Dave Cameron’s World War Three
Jockophile !
It shows the mentality of those in the Westminster bubble, they’ve no plans in place for Brexit, both the major parties are in complete turmoil, millions of Euros in the form of grants to the UK will be wiped out . EU citizens living in the UK haven’t a clue if they’ll be allowed to stay or forced to leave, yet those incompetent selfish inane arseholes at Westminster, are trying to renew WMD’s.
If things go to plan you’ll be getting your nukes back sooner than you think.
Don’t worry Michael, there are plenty of primary targets left down south, in Yorkshire and elsewhere, Lakenheath, Mildenhall, no closing down, Wiltshire and in Devon.
Everyone will get their very own mushroom cloud.
MET Office Exeter Devon,
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Met_Office#Locations
HMNB Devonport
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMNB_Devonport
HMNB Portsmouth
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMNB_Portsmouth
Royal Military Academy Sandhurst
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Military_Academy_Sandhurst
South East Super Garrison
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aldershot_Garrison
that sort of thing?
and http://www.secret-bases.co.uk/pilots-eye.htm
that sort of thing too
youknowmyname
excellent but I was hoping for some photos of “Cheltenham”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cheltenham#/media/File:GCHQ-aerial.jpg
“Macpherson also said that a Scottish pound would be viable, and that Scotland would do well in the EU, and it wouldn’t necessarily need to adopt the Euro”
Note that “would be”. Unfortunately there isn’t a Scottish poon and the EU is unlikely to accept some hastily cobbled together piece of nonsense. At least he doesn’t try to suggest that Scotland could carry on using the UK pound. Ergo, the euro it is.
MJ.
There are Scottish pounds RBS, Clydesdale bank and BoS issue notes.
Scotland when it becomes independent hopefully within two years stands a goid chance of inheriting the dis-United Kingdom’s EU membership, so its not cobbled together nonsense.
Of course MJ, you know better than a former Treasury secretary, wouldn’t you?
I didn’t know those Scottish banknotes were an independent currency. I wonder what the exchange rate is with sterling. I’ve never seen it listed on foreign exchanges.
MJ.
The Scottish notes fall under Sterling, and are used in England and Wales, though, technically they’re not legal tender in England Wales. This manifests in the shape of many English shops and companies not accepting Scottish notes, in turn Scots travelling to England or Wales often save up or ask shop keepers in Scotland to swap Scots notes for English ones.
Dis-United Kingdom indeed.
The dirty, sneaky bastards are going to vote on the done deal that is Trident in less than two weeks! 18/7
Cameron must have been getting it in the neck from Obommber.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36754911
Anyone else noted and unusual flurry of changes being rushed through by the lame duck Dave Cameron.
He is an Unbelievably dishonest turd
Is this “payback” for the LEAVE Voters
because they dared to defy him and vote with their conscience
rather than go with his lies?
Defo.
I recall durìng the 2014 Scottish indy ref, that Wales would be more than happy to host Westminster’s or should I say Washington’s WMD’s. Wales voted to leave the EU so finding a new home for them shouldn’t be a problem.
I wonder though how the Welsh will feel about the pollution from the nuclear subs, SEPA the Scottish Environmental Protection agency have their hands tied in Scotland, they know the subs are polluting the area, but those b*stards at the MoD supercede them so the real levels of pollution must be much higher, than we know.
BREAKING
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-36750420
Capenhurst chosen to store nuclear submarine radioactive waste
So as some have said in here already, the dis-United Kingdom has sent troops to countries which border Russia, talk about grabbing a tiger by the tail.
The ramping up of the Cold war into a nuclear one (a possibility ) in order to put fear into the hearts of people of the world, and boost the industrial military complex machines coffers, is not a new one.
I’ll never understand Europe’s need to kowtow to America, on the issue of Russia. Europeans could and should welcome Russia not confront it.
That’s the problem with nuclear power, what do with the waste, or in this case where to store it.
Mind you the subs that are in active service, are a disaster waiting to happen, nevermind the old decommissioned subs cores.
http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/13214174.Trident_whistleblower_says_nuclear_subs_are_insecure__unsafe_and__a_disaster_waiting_to_happen_/
Don’t worry RoS. I’m sure it will all come out. Sometime in the second half of the century.
Not a lot of time to organise any demo’s, which is the point I suppose.
Strange how auntie was just this morning telling us about Corbyns compromise (pish) re nukes, then this gets sprung.
Add in troop ‘rotation’ in Eastern Europe, and it’s squeaky bum time for any sentient, observant human.
Defo.
Hopefully sooner than that, if not the Scottish government on gaining independence, must ask for the warheads to be removed immediately to Aldermaston.
Believe it or not those dozy b*stards at the MoD use HGV’s to deliver new warheads to Coulport driving through Glasgow, Scotland’s largest city, during the night. Anything could happen from a planned attack to a serious accident.
http://www.nukewatch.org.uk/?p=467
This complete and utter disaster happened without the war heads exploding.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-34569614
RoS, in an incident like that the chance of a detonation is essentially zero. The chance of contamination is very high.
150 disgusting rebel Labour M.P.’s to defy Corbyn in imminent Trident vote
https://www.rt.com/uk/350169-labour-trident-vote-nuclear/
Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn is facing mounting pressure to resign as 150 disgusting rebel M.P.’s prepare to vote against him on Britain’s nuclear deterrent later this month. The group, which represents two-thirds of Corbyn’s MPs, will ignore the leader’s call for Trident to be scrapped at a vote expected to be called by outgoing Prime Minister David Cameron on July 18.
Sources say the planned vote by Cameron is an attempt to reunify his Brexit-scarred Conservative party, which is largely united on Trident, and underscores divisions in Labour.
Corbyn, who is a proponent of total nuclear disarmament, is expected to offer MPs a free vote on Trident.
In recent weeks, the leader has faced a vote of no confidence and almost every shadow minister in his top team has resigned. Rebels are now looking to use the Trident vote to re-emphasize how Corbyn has lost the support of his MPs.
One former Labour shadow minister told the Telegraph: “150 MPs will vote for renewal. In the present circumstances, it might be higher than that. People have burnt all bridges with him already, so why would they bother supporting him?
“Corbyn doesn’t actually command the support of the trade unions on this. Both GMB and Unite will argue very strongly for a Yes vote … It just reinforces the point that clearly on this issue he’s out of step with the main trade unions.”
He added: “Over the last week, I have been contacted by hundreds of Labour members and MPs deeply worried that the Labour party is truly in danger of splitting apart.
“I share those fears and call on everyone in our movement to do all we can to avert such a disastrous outcome. I stand ready to do anything I can to save and serve the party.”
Tory leadership candidate Theresa May has said it would be “sheer madness” for Britain to give up its nuclear deterrent, arguing all four submarines should be replaced.
She said a post-Brexit Britain must show it is “committed” to working with its NATO allies.
Activists claim the renewal of Trident is expensive, unsafe, ill-suited for contemporary warfare and in violation of international commitments.
Criticism of the nuclear deterrent has even come from within the Royal Navy itself. Former nuclear submariner William McNeilly was dishonorably discharged for compiling and publishing a report exposing multiple safety and security lapses at the base and on the submarines themselves.
The massive cost of the weaponry has become the regular refrain of those who oppose renewal. It is expected to cost £205 billion (US$296 billion).
The Trident vote comes as a second Labour moderate, Owen Smith, has gone public with his intention to challenge Corbyn for leadership if he refuses to stand down on his own accord.
Angela Eagle, the shadow business secretary, went public earlier this week with her threat to trigger a leadership contest unless Corbyn quits.
The pair now look set to face their own battle about who will become “unity candidate” for the Labour moderates if the negotiations fail to unseat Corbyn, as expected.
With talks between Len McCluskey, the general secretary of the influential Unite union, and both sides of the Labour split dragging into a third day, there is little sign of progress, according to Telegraph sources.
So Dave Cameron – George Osborne and Carney have said if we vote for
LEAVE
there will be a 20-40 billion pound BLACK HOLE
they will have to cut pensions, cut numbers of N.H.S. workers, cut members of the armed services, put up taxes and slash new infrastructure programmes, like HS2
So if re-newed TRIDENT is to cost TWO hundred plus billion pounds ( does include de-commissioning Faslane and building a nuke base in WALES?) how much will they have to cut pensions /services?
The dis-United Kingdom already has one of the lowest state pensions in the world. I recall Gordon Brown raiding the pension for pot of more than £100 billion quid.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/personalfinance/pensions/11189414/Why-Britains-state-pension-is-one-of-the-worst-in-Europe.html
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1531448/Browns-raid-on-pensions-costs-Britain-100-billion.html
Moody’s and Standard & Poors have already down graded the dis-United Kingdom to basket case, the overall debt exceeds £1.5 trillion quid. The economy may take nose dive sooner than later, the pound had millions wiped off its worth in recent days and the BoE can’t make interests rates low enough.
Yet around £200 billion quid wil be found to renew a weapon we’ll never use, billions more will be spent on nuclear subs and billions have already been spent on two aircraft carriers, but no jdts to land on them, we’ve still to stump up for them, billions more I’d say.
Republic – The UK does not have “one of the lowest rates of pensions in the world” Even the article you link to only refers to Europe.
The article itself is disingenious since it refers to pensions as a percentage of the average wage. Very low average wages will produce an answer, that whilst technically true, remains misleading.
Looney well here is that list.
https://conversation.which.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/pension-table.png
Average earning in the dis-United Kingdom are similar to Ireland’s yet Ireland has a larger state pension.
There is no doubt that many countries have more generous pension arrangements than the UK.
However with regard to some countries, southern Europe in particular the UK looks pretty good. The UK state pension is roughly twice that in Greece.
I am sure that some people in Spain are doing just fine – but many others are not. In order to qualify for the non contributory pension in Spain you need an income of below Euros 357.70 per month.
There are a lot of people in Greece currently living in cardboard boxes. Not many people would volunteer for such living arrangements, but it seems pretty certain that Greek climate ameliorates such hard ship to a far greater extent than the Scottish climate.
Southern Europe should be of interest to you, since an independent Scotland that is a member of the EU would be required by the EU to rapidly transit toward southern European income levels.
Looney.
I would add that Greece isn’t really a good example of state pensions in action, for years the Greeks tax dodged, and fiddled the books at the highest levels, backhanders and bungs became part of the Greek culture.
As far as I know Greece even presented false accounts to gain EU membership, in relality Greece’s economy is built on shifting sands. For awhile there it sunk even lower as Greece’s main exports of fruit and vegetables which it exported the majority of to Russia, came under sanctions.
Not sure what is so “moderate” about these people.
Chester Nuclear waste rumour rubbished? 2005
http://www.chesterchronicle.co.uk/news/chester-cheshire-news/nuclear-waste-rumour-rubbished-5281835
FEARS radioactive nuclear waste could be dumped in Winsford are being played down.
Concerns were sparked when the Nuclear Decommissioning Authority (NDA) announced ‘underground storage’ was its preferred option for storing spent waste from the UK’s decommissioned nuclear plants.
What this shows is that it does not matter if you have a coalition government a NULABOUR government
or just a Conservative government,
they lie, they lie
and they continue to lie.
You don’t want Nuclear weapons, you are going to get them.
You don’t want FRENCH Nuclear power plants, you are going to get them
you don’t want nuclear reactor cores stored under your village, you are going to get them.
You are going to get everything you do not want
and you will not get anything you do want.