The fascist violence in Charlottesville was in defence of prominent public statues to those who fought to uphold slavery. History should not be destroyed, and there is a place for such statues in appropriate explained context in museums. But public celebration of advocates of slavery ought to end. People always throw off the monuments of their oppressors, and so they should. The statues should be removed from their prestigious positions.
Hardly anybody remembers now that O’Connell Street in Dublin was Sackville Street. You will scour Ireland with little success for surviving statues of British Imperial rulers and commanders – there were once hundreds. I found that Burnes Road in Karachi is no more. Uzbekistan and Ukraine are no longer dotted with great statues of Lenin.
Yet I live here in a city which still has a Cumberland Street, named after a disgusting war criminal who perpetrated long term and systematic atrocities on this very people whose capital city is desecrated by his name. Cumberland was a worse racist and an infinitely greater war criminal than Robert E Lee. Yet I hear not a whisper to echo the brave roar of Charlottesville. The imposed regime which crushed Scotland, outlawed its major language and much of its culture and tried to expunge even the memory of its history and native culture, is celebrated in the heart of the nation. Hanover Street, George Street, Rose Street, Princes Street. These vicious, arrogant, Scot-hating people really did crush Scotland’s spirit, to the extent we still cringe before them now they are long dead.
It staggers me that, after we have decades of an element of home rule by alleged Scottish Nationalists and an alleged Labour Party, when even the pathetic colonial status of the devolution settlement gives the power to rename a few streets, Labour and the SNP, as the minimum gesture of self-awareness and a tiny, tiny glimmer of self-respect, have not renamed Cumberland Street after Keir Hardie.
Yes, we have always suffered from a parcel of rogues in a nation. Yet we remain a parcel of cowards as a nation. The brave left wing demonstrators of Charlottesville, supporting the removal of Robert E Lee against the violence of the fascists, put us to deep shame.
Bloody Finnish foreign policy…
The regular attacks promoted by MSM are all obviously false flag until proven otherwise. They are part of the Globalist attack on the West and Trump intended to lead to WWIII with Russia. Even Charlottesville has become a form of false flag due to the way it was set up by the authorities to provide violent scenes that could be spun by MSM.
Ah, here comes that orbiting teapot again!
So the Finland knifeman was a Moroccan granted asylum in 2016. He repaid them by killing two and injuring others – mostly women.
Many people die from many things including crime by immigrants. But the idea we are under attack from a ruthless terrorist group whose modus operandi is to run some people over and then get shot insults the intelligence, particularly given the formula hype in MSM which if it wasn’t officially orchestrated would be illegal under “glorifying terrorism” legislation. So called Islamic State is in part a CIA franchise used as a bogeyman instrument of domestic and pro-war foreign policy.
An open letter from Guam to America. Worth reading:
http://bostonreview.net/war-security/victoria-lola-m-leon-guerrero-open-letter-guam-america#.WZCIPvOZdyI.twitter
It was RobG, I think, that pointed out that US websites that beg for funds is a give-away sign that they are run by the CIA.
I miss Robg.
Well, that’s more than one of us, then.
Well, you can keep up with RobG here – great taste in music too!
http://www.spiderbomb.com/blog/?p=4228
TRUE!!!
J.
TRUE.
Even so, here’s the author of that letter, Victoria Leon Guerrero, editor of Guam University Press speaking about colonisation and independence. Interesting stuff. Did you read the letter?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TzAYuOlo0vk
J.
It made me cry.
I have lived in that kind of “PARADISE.
But then again, I do live in “Paradise”, it is called “SCOTLAND!. Ever been here?
It is a “SHITHEAP” now!!! However, we will sort it when we have “INDEPENDENCE”.
HOW IS YOUR SIT HEAP?
Yeah, I used to live in Dundee.
In response to, “Ever been here?”
Shaving foam Mad Mel of the BBC steps into the sink to save the day for Trump. I listened to the closing seconds of radio 4’s Sunday programme to hear Melanie Phillips explaining that it was only the US ” left ” [bad] ‘s labelling of the US ” conservatives ” [good] as ” Alt Right ” that created the need for fascists to behave badly, like running over innocent women.
Foam is good. I not infrequently use expanding foam, after I have knocked holes in walls, to seal them. And it is excellent news that the BBC has a slot and a supply of foam capable of ending the argument definitively on the side of the ALT Right and POTUS Trump’s side. ” If you don’t agree with me, that is a demonstration of your extremism, not mine “.
There is a link to the programme if you want to sign in your address, email address, birthday and marital status to the BBC. They promise they won’t share your details with the Klu Klux Klan.
35mins in
In the context of Donald Trump’s remarks about the events in Charlottesville, Melanie Phillips and Rabbi Jeffrey Salkin discuss Moral Equivalence.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b091s7q1
and on her own website.
Trump was wrong, but America is being torn between twin evils
http://www.melaniephillips.com/trump-wrong-america-torn-apart-twin-evils/
PS I have never signed in on the BBC site etc.
Sharp Ears.
That is why I do NOT have a tv.
However, don’t tell them. I love the fun with them when they turn up at my door, after many threatening letters.
Oh, I appreciate your informative Links.
Well done.
Robert.
My pleasure. Kind of you to say so.
How are you these days? Over the worst I hope.
Sharp Ears,
My reply to you seems to have been “blocked”, by my expensive security”, to you.
It is good, “you remember,” thank you very much ! YOU KNOW!.
Update is, it’s in my lungs now! So what? The NHS is a ____ you fill in the blank.
There is/are many options available to me. and every one else; who is suffering from cancer However, it is more important to ” protect” BIG PHARMA.. AS I see it!. And, as the English and Scottish Government see it.
How are you? That is what is more important, You have such wonderful skills of,” factual investigation” Your contribution to us all is MEGA!!! I am happy to say ,THANK YOU on behalf of those who are asleep. Again, tTHANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. I appreciate your presence.
Blessing .
I am very sorry to hear about your secondaries Robert and can only hope you get cured.
I am better now, clear of the big C, but with many complications resulting from the radiotherapy. I won’t go into details in case the undesirables are lurking! 😉 The less they know the better as far as I am concerned.
ATV Robert.
The should have been ATB – All the best.
They are now targeting the statue of notorious Southern general, St. Joan of Arc, in New Orleans. The large gilded statue to the slave owner that was gifted to the city by the French government in 1973 has been vandalized with “Tear It Down” graffiti. ?
Geld Cumbernauld’s horse? You damage my internalised projection of Union potency and supremacy.
We’ll send a populist, UKIP taskforce out to polish the old bugger up to look like gold. That’ll teach you to emasculate our imperial, colonial heroes of old.
The Tory branch office in Scotland appears to be embracing vile candidates.
Read the captions in the photos by clicking on them.
https://mobile.twitter.com/MammothWhale/status/899177244756783105
The more vile you are, the bigger the Honour.
Oil companies are raking more money from oil and gas revenue than ever before.
https://www.oilandgaspeople.com/news/14814/who-needs-100-oil-majors-seen-making-more-cash-at-50-goldman-says/
Plus over the same period of time (the slump in price) Norway continued to make huge profits, even though the produced roughly the same amount of oil as Scotland.
Oil extracted from both Scotland and Norway, cost roughly the same.
https://wingsoverscotland.com/the-two-types-of-oil/
RoS.
There is as much money to be made on the way down, as , the way UP.
RoS.
Understand something, ” If you enter into their hand, they will squeeze”.
Ah summer evenings wouldn’t be summer evenings without listening to that plaintive cry of Nationalists in denial as GERS season comes due.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/3527e478-8523-11e7-868c-437ffe17833c
An insightful piece on the subject in the Herald.
http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/15485629.Chris_Deerin__Sadly__the_nationalist_movement_is_stuck_in_the_intellectual_slow_lane/?ref=twtrec
Remembering the people in the horror of Hiroshima on August 6th 1945.
An Unreal Farewell
(A Villanelle on the bombing of Hiroshima)
by Matthew J. Lawler / August 20th, 2017
A flash struck the morning and the city fell,
all was ghost in the twinkling of an eye,
the fire sunk into earth like flames from hell.
The “Little Boy” blood bomb burst from its shell
and quaked the world below and world up high,
a flash struck the morning and the city fell.
Bones laid soaked in the “black rain’s” horrid smell
as the devil descended from the sky,
the fire sunk into earth like flames from hell.
A vaporous fog crawled into lungs unquelled
and bodies flooded the river nearby,
a flash struck the morning and the city fell.
The ground now lies in gore where zombies dwell
as a thousand melting suns flowed by,
the fire sunk into earth like flames from hell.
It all seemed a dream, an unreal farewell
as one-hundred and thirty-thousand died,
a flash struck the morning and the city fell,
the fire sunk into earth like flames from hell.
Matthew J. Lawler is a poet and Chicago native. He has been published in numerous literary journals. He lives to write and writes to live. You can find him on Facebook at http://www.facebook.com/matthewjlawlerpoet
http://dissidentvoice.org/2017/08/an-unreal-farewell/
A million would have died with a conventional invasion and bombing.
Of course they would. Conventional and traditional wisdom tells us so. ‘The problem with modern war is that it gives no-one a chance to kill the right people’ (Ezra Pound.)
Rubbish the Japanese were trying to negotiate a surrender but Americans were not giving the assurances about the statuse of the that emperor which they had wanted.Also had not the soviets smashed the Japanese main fighting force in Mancheria(manchuka),and the Americans did not want to allow the soviets any influence in the peace terms or the occupation of Japan.
Exactly so. As always.
The Soviet Union didn’t launch it’s invasion until 9th August, the same day as Nagasaki was bombed, it had been agreed at Yalta that they would declare war on Japan within three months of the German surrender in return for territories in the region which Russia still holds today.
The Japanese government was divided between the hard liners who wanted to fight to the death and the realists who wanted to surrender. They didn’t surrender until 15th August.
Roosevelt incited Japan to bomb Pearl Harbour to get US into the war against Germany, against public opinion, on behalf of the Globalists. This was achieved with the oil embargo ultimatum for Japan to withdraw from Manchuria, but without warning the Pearl Harbour commanders about the deteriorating political situation, hence why the commanders weren’t court martialled.
Japan had a choice to leave Manchuria or find new supplies of oil, presently obtained from US, by invading the European imperial oil producing territories in South East Asia. Madly they chose the latter, but this hinged on a surprise attack on Pearl Harbour to knock out US fleet, although rationally an occupation would have made more military sense.
But if the Pearl Harbour commanders had been warned about the deteriorating political situation they could have taken elementary precautionary measures that would have ruled out a surprise attack, compelling Japan to abandon an attack and leave Manchuria instead, resulting in no war US war with Japan or Germany, and no need to drop two crimes against humanity bombs on Japan to impress the Russians.
Planning for the attack on Pearl Harbor began in early 1941, BEFORE the oil embargo came into place. The Japanese had plans to continue their conquests into the Philippines, then under US control, and rather than sit and wait for the US to react they decided to try and neutralise the American fleet first.
Better defensive measures might have blunted a surprise attack, it would not have ruled it out. As for the reasons for the embargoes Japanese forces left a trail of rape, murder and destruction wherever they invaded, more people are reckoned to have been killed in Nanking than Hiroshima. Was the US to stand by and do nothing?
All countries prepare possible scenarios. The US at that time had plans to counter a possible British invasion of US and no doubt had plans to replace the European Empires in Asia. The Japanese High Command were very divided on the merits of an attack on Pearl Harbour and if the Pearl Harbour commanders had been informed not only of deteriorating political situation but foreknowledge of the attack, which was known to British and US, the Japanese would not have attacked. Indeed the attack was a failure even in its modest aims. The Japanese atrocities were appalling, but the “something must be done” war led to far worse suffering and lose of life, including the victory of communism in China responsible for mass-murder on an unimaginable scale.
A million would have died with a conventional invasion and bombing.
So we did them a favour?
And a negotiated surrender would have saved a million lives. Except the mantra was for unconditional surrender, which is itself a war crime as it deliberately prolongs the war.
Yup. A fanatical fascist state that engaged in the most heinous war crimes imaginable. Every last one of them was a combatant.
And just look at them now. Brilliant result.
And just look at them now. Brilliant result.
Yes, a cynical person might wonder why Germany and Japan now have such successful economies, might wonder exactly who actually owns those successful companies in those vanquished countries.
First Response disappeared, Sharp Ears.
Knowing what they knew, why did they decided to kill so many “non combatants?”.
It was always Grandfather’s favourite day of the year. He had experienced things you would not want to know.
Aahhhh, you were brought up to hate foreigners ….
Interesting take on the topic under discussion from the somewhat brilliant Lee camp.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6xgjEfRjOh0
If he’s so appalled, why not change his own name?
Maybe because Lee is his first name. Brilliant response.
He said he was named after Robert E Lee
A satirical piece from David Swanson
BREAKING: Charlottesville to Keep Only Non-Racist War Monuments
August 20th, 2017
Under the new policy just announced in Charlottesville, Virginia, the city will be taking down all but the non-racist war monuments and memorials in all of its public spaces.
Three monuments to the Confederate war, fought to maintain slavery — those of Robert E. Lee, Stonewall Jackson, and a generic Confederate soldier — will all be removed under the new guidelines.
In addition a heroic equestrian monument to George Rogers Clark is coming down, as Native American genocide has been ruled racist.
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http://dissidentvoice.org/2017/08/breaking-charlottesville-to-keep-only-non-racist-war-monuments/
David Swanson is an author, activist, journalist, and radio host. He is director of WorldBeyondWar.org and campaign coordinator for RootsAction.org. Swanson’s books include War Is A Lie. He blogs at DavidSwanson.org and War Is a Crime.org. He hosts Talk Nation Radio. Follow him on Twitter: @davidcnswanson and FaceBook
His previous essays on DV from 2011
http://dissidentvoice.org/author/davidswanson/
A much different perspective on St. Abraham Lincoln and the American Civil War, or in reality the War of Northern Aggression,
Hat tip to PCR.
http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2017/08/21/lincoln-myth-ideological-cornerstone-america-empire/
Sharp Ears.
I have just seen your reply.
We are on the same page.
Thank you very much, and , glad to know you are in the pink. I often wondered.
P.S. Just had my first Reflexology treatment this morning. As we say in Scotland ” pure dead brilliant”.
So Corbyn is to head North to Scotland to kick of his Labour UK tour.
If Labour are so good, then how come Wales is the poorest country in western Europe, having voted Labour for NINETY YEARS?
https://mobile.twitter.com/BrynTeilo/status/899362239588827136
Maybe it’s something to do with our good friends just to the east of Wales, who are so generous with central government investment? Or successive Tory governments who have so kindly removed the burden of employment from heavy industry, which made up the mainstay of our economy until the hated Thatcher decided otherwise.
Welsh Labour is riddled with blairites like scottish labour – the welsh assembly is just a talking shop to divert our attention from where the real power still is. Many of the actual people in wales would love for corbyn’s labor to get the real power even if they have no love for carwyn jones and all his centrist careerists. You can’t use the performance of blairites and the uselessness of the WAG to judge the potential of labour under corbyn.
“If Labour are so good, then how come Wales is the poorest country in western Europe, having voted Labour for NINETY YEARS?”
Labour exists only to keep the poor in poverty and benefits so they keep voting Labour. They actively work against working class people aspiring for better.
I think it is important at times like these, not to concern yourself with political stuff (like is Seth Rich really dead??) nor his doctor’s testimony published by Bill Still, nor his family’s video -all this stuff is 3 months old and it’s not even British. It’s American – and somewhat strange.
The important thing to do, is to try and dry off the tent amd bedding and blankets and have a bath, and get it all ready to go to the next festival in 4 days time.
I think we are up for it, but not bought the tickets yet.
How was Doune The Rabbit Hole?
Tony
” How any beautiful heather moors in the UK can boast tea, toilets and shelter from the drizzle up to 5 p.m. on a Sunday, like The Bog School at the Stiperstones in Shropshire?”
To which my wife replied; ‘The English are mad, anyway’
giyane, ” shelter from the drizzle” ?
There is no shelter from the drizzle if you are camping and poaching salmon for your friends in a tent….but we all had a brilliant time.
Did Doune The Rabbit Hole finish at 5 p.m. on the Sunday???
Scottish Wimps!!!!!
The English played to the end – and Yes it Was Raining a Lot.
This One Next. Can’t You Scottish Keep Up?
http://www.anewdayfestival.com/
Tony
The Scottish Tories readmit Councillors Majury and Davies to the party despite their recent display of extreme prejudices against minorities in a series of tweets.
It’s clear the Tory strategy is that, since Brexit is making moderate Tory business people begin to seriously look at independence as an option, the ultra-unionists’ remaining hope is to sneakily whip up and rally racist, sectarian and far right groupings in Scotland. A desperate attempt to try and make these type of views normative ones in Scottish political discourse.
Ruth Davidson and her clique semi-secretly espouse a rancid politics. Bad for society, bad for business and bad for Scotland.
reel guid.
Yes what utter vile racists, a chronic and endemic condition that runs through the Tory party, I think.
In my opinion it a inherent attitude, yet the feeble excuse given over their return, is one of that they’ve done their time, now it’s welcome back to the trough.
Colonel Rape Clause Ruth-less Davidson, has been remarkably quiet on the matter, she’s probably hunkering down inside the Tory branch office in Scotland.
Of course you could imagine the uproar by the media, if these vile people were SNP members, and not Tories. Jackie Bird, et al would have a field day.
Well here the blue Torie, and the red Tories unite once again (were they ever apart) to thwart the suspension of a Labour council leader by the SNP, who is under investigation regarding fraud and corruption.
I doubt those bastards at the BBC and in the British nationalist press, will do a Michelle Thomson though.
http://www.thenational.scot/news/15486901.Tories_back_Labour_council_leader_at_the_centre_of_probe/?ref=mrb&lp=4
Meanwhile another Tory snake, may soon slither back into the trough.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/tory-mp-suspended-using-n-11031743.amp
Good article on neoliberalism:
https://www.theguardian.com/news/2017/aug/18/neoliberalism-the-idea-that-changed-the-world
I keep reading these ‘epilogues of Neoliberalism’ in the liberal media, which suggests that it really is dying as an idea.
The article doesn’t mention another hypothesis as to what has brought about its demise, namely resource depletion and the rising cost of energy production. Amazingly, this is still a niche subject for debate, even as the predictions of ‘peak oilers’ are increasingly proved correct. The models of economists simply do not work anymore, and part of the reason is that oil prices behave differently ‘on the way down’.
A Keynesian revival could keep civilisation going for a bit longer, but not much.
http://www.resilience.org/stories/2017-04-25/juggling-live-hand-grenades/
I don’t believe a word of it. Reports of the death of Neoliberalism, Aka Neoconservatism-same noxious weed from another planet-are much exaggerated. The whole thing has been neatly camouflaged, in my opinion.
This seems incredible. Isis/Isil is being funded via Welsh companies.
ISIS links with Britain uncovered: Men, money & a small office in Wales
21 Aug, 2017
https://www.rt.com/uk/400387-isis-links-fighting-funding/
Probably because they thought nobody would ever look there. I thought we’d heard about this one some little while ago…?
The Foreign & Commonwealth Office website ,openly listed the support it gave to the ‘moderate rebels’ in Syria and expressly states it is to aid in the overthrow of Assad. The site has disappeared from view since.
The pseudo First Responders, White Helmets alone received £24 million, all other the guise of ‘humanitarian aid’. Total aid was £100 million.
http://katehon.com/article/syria-uk-and-funding-moderate-armed-opposition
Why is the price of petrol rising when the price of crude per barrel has been falling?
Unleaded was 109ppl a month or so ago. Now 117ppl or higher here.
http://www.livecharts.co.uk/MarketCharts/brent.php
is it the pound falling against the petrodollar maybe?
Great idea. Let’s start a movement to rename these streets.
On topic! On Keating, Stairs, Girouard, Mackay and Robinson.
Should Monuments to Canadians who helped conquer Africa be removed
Yves Engler / August 22nd, 2017
Some good might come in Canada from neo-fascists marching in Charlottesville, Virginia.
Taking advantage of media interest in protests over monuments to historical figures with racist views activists in Halifax are pushing to remove commemorations to two individuals who helped conquer Africa. And there’s no lack of other such memorials to target across the Great White North.
In 1898 Henry Edward Clonard Keating led a small force that killed the chief of Hela and abducted several individuals from the village to operate canoes the soldiers had stolen from them. In response, others from the village in what is now southern Nigeria attacked and killed most of Keating’s force. A British force then razed Hela and killed about 100 locals. There’s a plaque commemorating Keating in Halifax’s Public Gardens.
Dalhousie Professor Afua Cooper is also pushing to rename Stairs Street in Halifax. William Grant Stairs played an important part in two expeditions that helped Belgian King Leopold II expand his barbarous reign in the Congo. Also commemorated with an Island in Parry Sound, Ontario, and two plaques in Kingston, the Haligonian was one of 10 white officers in the first-ever European expedition to cross the interior of the continent and subsequently Stairs led a 2,000 person force that added 150,000 square kilometres to Leopold’s colony.
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http://dissidentvoice.org/2017/08/should-monuments-to-canadians-who-helped-conquer-africa-be-removed/
Dalhousie University will have have to rename itself as it’s named after a 19th Century Scottish colonialist.
“The Taj Mahal, which took twenty-two years to complete, was built with the labour of twenty-two thousand slaves. The colossal expenditure of building it (over $1 billion now), which included dragging the marble and precious stones from all corners of the globe, was also extracted from the Emperor’s subjects – the impoverished villagers and shopkeepers, in the form of imposed and oppressive taxes. That history lives on, as even today the Taj’s luxurious, white autocracy stands apart from the miles of crowded, grey squalor of the towns and lives that surround it.”
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Tear. It. Down.
Here’s one I’m sure you’ll agree with Lord Nelson a”White Supremacist” or maybe not ?
http://www.itv.com/news/anglia/2017-08-23/poll-nelson-was-a-white-supremacist-should-nelsons-column-be-torn-down/
No doubt we’ll have BBC Scotlandshire news interviewing the Dog Food Dope tonight, about the total guesstimate GERS figures for Scotland. Figures compiled by British nationalists, that will show Scotland’s too wee, too poor etc, to go it alone…sigh it’s become tiresome bollocks.
In reality of course, Scotland would be well placed as a independent nation.
https://wingsoverscotland.com/the-too-wee-factor/#more-97881
Ros
Douglas Fraser has posted his bit about the figures on the BBC web pages that pretends to be even handed, but isn’t.
He also manages to write a fairly lengthy article about Scotland’s economy without
a. mentioning Brexit
b. mentioning Scotland’s undeveloped oil fields in the Atlantic Margin etc.
I would argue that rather than remove offending statues, they should be modified appropriately. For example, the one in Buchanan Street of Donald Dewar could have a bronze traffic cone welded in place.
How do the police obtain your details if your image is not in the public domain?
Using passport photos, bus pass photos and the like?
Police hold more than 20 million facial recognition images
Criticism mounts over government delays in bringing the “privacy intruding” surveillance technology under legal control.
http://news.sky.com/story/police-hold-more-than-20-million-facial-recognition-images-11001479
Interesting:-
”
While many around him were denouncing slavery, Nelson was vigorously defending it.
“Britain’s best known naval hero – so idealised that after his death in 1805 he was compared to no less than “the God who made him” – used his seat in the House of Lords and his position of huge influence to perpetuate the tyranny, serial rape and exploitation organised by West Indian planters, some of whom he counted among his closest friends.”
– Afua Hirsch, writing for The Guardian.”
Different historical narratives of course, for so too was Elizabeth 1 and this is how the Royal Family gained a lot of its wealth ( think about it):-
” While many around him ( her)were denouncing slavery, Nelson ( Elizabeth 1) was vigorously defending it.”
Afua Hirsch was on Sky News today.
Should Nelson be pulled down?
http://news.sky.com/video/should-nelson-be-pulled-down-11000528
The lions in Trafalgar Square are magnificent imho. The sculptor was Sir Edwin Landseer. They were made from captured French cannons.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/8584165/Ban-tourists-from-Trafalgar-Square-lions-before-they-destroy-them-report-says.html
Yes, Sharp Ears, many Scots pay homage to these lions when visiting London. ?
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hIZpaiUX-D8
Nothing has changed in Theresa May’s treatment of the press. Just as it was during the election campaign, everything is stage managed. Access denied unless it’s one of the corporate media stooges who asks the question, pre arranged needless to say.
This is the account of a Trinity Mirror local reporter at May’s factory visit today.
http://www.getsurrey.co.uk/news/surrey-news/theresa-mays-guildford-visit-another-13518613
Craig,
I had wanted to post on your recent one concerning ‘Documents’ – but ‘comments closed’ ( why so soon). Anyway – here nevertheless:-
Definition of copyright
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(a)the work qualifies for copyright protection notwithstanding section 153(1) (ordinary requirement as to qualification for copyright protection), and
(b)Her Majesty is the first owner of any copyright in the work”
Copyright and legislation
Therefore by way of statutory definition legislation passed and published is the law.
Publication by an individual
I just published a piece of copyright ( i.e. Crown copyright) material, by way of citing the s.163 statutory definition of “copyright” supra.
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Comment: But, then again, does anyone recall the ‘Spycatcher trial’? The Government had already given clearance of the information and MI5’s former officer, Peter Wright, was saying and/or publishing nothing more or less than that which the Government had already authorised could be published.
Thus, if the UK Government ( under Margaret Thatcher at the time) can raise legal objection in such a contradictory manner, seeking to prohibit publication of that which had been authorised to be published, to then make itself look not partially, but totally incongruous in a long trial – I suppose it is time, yet again, for the same scenario to be re-played with one, Craig Murray.
Ha…ha.. ‘Documents’ seems to be a much older post that had appeared to be the most current one. Joke’s on the Government and me as well.
Listening to ‘Today’ on Radio 4 revealed to me the extent of the BBC’s deliberate superficiality and bias with anything to do with Syria. First was Lyse Doucet reporting from Syria and interviewing one of the generals leading an extremely successful anti-Isis campaign by the Syrian army which all the MSM have remained silent about. She asked two rather superficial questions one of which was how he felt that US supported troops were also fighting DAESH a bit further north, which was irrelevant, instead of getting some more information about how ISIS was being routed. Nick Robinson then showed concern that the SAA beating ISIS would eventually mean that the army would turn against the rebels latter. Then followed a broadcast, I deliberately don’t call it an interview, given by a certain Thomas Fletcher, an ex ambassador to Lebanon and a supposedly advisor to three previous prime ministers on foreign policy. I am sure Craig knows him or at least of him and may be able to enlighten us more, but it does not seem that his advice was sound. Anyway this guy only spews out propaganda about Assad being a tyrant, killing his own people with barrel bombs and repeating the lies about gassing his own people. At no point was there even an attempt to present the complex picture in Syria, where the so called rebels are now fighting each other and where the Russians, in coordination with Turkey and Iran, have been trying to nuance any proper opposition from the AQ group of HTS and which is causing much internal divisions. No mention of the success of the deconflicting zones which have allowed to the Syrian army to make the spectacular advances against IS. So really the BBC is not interested in informing us the license paying captive audience of what is going on, or capable of any meaningful analysis but merely in broadcasting straight propaganda.
Yes I know just what you mean. I am thinking of not paying the license fee again after this year. Every time I turn on a news programme I hear propaganda and spite. I still support the concept of the BBC but it seems so compromised now and Im afraid that it does actual harm by misinforming us.
I rid myself of television 14 years. ago I think. Not a single regret. Glad I didn’t fund the last decade of propaganda too.
Yes; I heard it too. I almost choked on my cornflakes.
Glad to learn his name – Thomas Fletcher – as I hadn’t heard it at the introduction. It was simple propoganda.
Ditto. We discussed it on the TLN.
Shame on Fletcher. See below.
He ceased being a so called ‘No 10 policy advisor’ in 2011. So Agent Cameron got rid or perhaps Fletcher did not go along with Cameron’s offensive war on Libya.
Fletcher is described as a ‘No 10 policy advisor here.
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/750731/Tom-Fletcher-UK-ambassador-defends-Theresa-May-Brexit-plans-Muhammad-Ali
His history. What is the ‘Global Diplomatic Academy’ when it’s at home? Similarly the ‘Global Business Coalition for Education’? Just another stooge for the NWO.
Ex UK Ambassador.
Visiting Professor of International Relations at New York University and Global Diplomatic Academy.
Global Strategy Director of .
Chairman of International Advisory Council of UK Creative Industries Federation.
Aspiring author – ‘Naked Diplomacy’ (Harper Collins) now available:http://tomfletcher.global/
https://uk.linkedin.com/in/tom-fletcher-cmg-31a50545
This is my reply to Paul Craig Roberts on Saker..he doesn’t normally allow comments.
I am a massive fan of Paul Craig Roberts, but this is the most depressing thing I have ever read. I am not claiming that any of it is not true – or partially true – but PCR’s piece presents the human race as if it is totally evil and always has been.
Well, maybe it has, and maybe it is, and maybe it always will be..
But I have lived on this planet for well over 60 years, and travelled throughout much of it throughout most of my life – as a tourist -but often on the unbeaten track hitching rides where PCR may never have been…
I have found the human race, exceptionally nice, warm and welcoming, often when we mainly communicate by gesture sign language – a little bit of English, French and German – and maybe a tiny little bit of Spanish and Russian – and a tiny bit of Arabic but mainly smiles eye contact hands arms and gestures…
In my experience the human race is not how Paul Craig Roberts describes it. It may have been before he was born – and it maybe in his experience in the USA.
I am English, and live in England.
It seems to me the USA has gone completely insane, but most of the rest of the rest of the world is O.K. – or would be if the USA would stop dropping bombs on us.
Tony
I think of the attitude that says the human race is totally evil and always has been (I think of it as the “Lord of the Flies” manoeuvre) as a self-serving con. What it basically means is that, “We’re all horrible anyway so don’t expect anyone to do anything better. In the meantime I’m just going to help myself to everything I can lay my hands on because – well, what can you do?”
Tony,
Isn’t the point really this:-
1. You are correct that there is more good in people all over the world than bad. Like yourself I have travelled all over as student, with girlfriend, wife and here there and many places. And, yes, indeed I encountered far. more smiling faces than frowns or disapprovals. That is one reality.
2. Here is a comment on our world:-
” In fact, the signs that the USA are totally loosing control are already all over the place, here are just a few headlines to illustrate this:
•Iran could quit nuclear deal in ‘hours’ if new U.S. sanctions imposed: Rouhani
•Israel: Netanyahu declares support for a Kurdish state
•Syrian forces take 3 more towns en route to Deir ez-Zor in first airborne operation
•Maduro calls for nationwide ‘anti-imperialist’ drills after Trump’s threat of ‘military option’
•Soldiers of the 201st (Russian) base in Tadjikistan have been put on high alert as part of a military exercise
•Confirmed: Turkey to end support for anti-government terrorists in Syria
•Russia Plans Huge Zapad 2017 Military Exercises With Belarus”
Both sets of realities are true.
Best that we see that what those who control power do is not the same as what ordinary humans do left one to the other face to face without power juxtaposing itself between
Projection is a psychological mechanism by which one avoids self-criticism by ‘projecting’ the things one dislikes about oneself onto others. It is worrying that in Mrs May we have a leader whose Brexit policy is for Brits to avoid self-criticism by off-loading our weaknesses onto the other, starting at France. If we voted for a mad-woman in our most recent opportunity to express ourselves politically, we are mad. Trump wants to offload onto black people and Muslims, he can do it in his own bedroom in Trump tower, along with Hillary Clinton, both kept under lock and key under 24/7 guard.
If the public get exhilarated by the weaponisation of madness by politicians’ publicly supporting white supremacy or Christian supremacy, and call it strong leadership, or even like the mad-woman in No 10 Downing street, stable leadership, it’s time to give up democracy, or to educate the public in the basic rudiments of human psychology. Tories think madness is something that happens to others and they piously attempt to provide funds to contain the social problems it causes. They never, ever, think that madness could be rampant in themselves, even if the entire economic system collapses, or whole countries are destroyed, populations living in camps, and no prospect of any gainful employment.
http://www.voltairenet.org/article197541.html
Thierry Meyssan:
“According to this map, taken from one of Thomas P. M. Barnett’s power point slides, presented at a conference held at the Pentagon in 2003, every state in the pink zone must be destroyed. This project has nothing to with the struggle between classes at the national level nor with exploiting natural resources. Once they are done with the expanded Middle East, the US strategists are preparing to reduce the North West of Latin America to ruins.”
In other words USUKIS are so nuts no sane person can comprehend the full extent of their contempt for anyone but themselves, or the lengths they will go to project their own malice onto the ‘other’ by whatever tag of otherness they can get their MSM to fix / stick. The only place for USUKIS is the fortress of wealth and power they try to build for themselves, in which lunatic asylum they will eventually be encarcerated and prevented by fear from coming out. The goldfish was complaining last week about the removal of certain statues from its tank. This week the goldfish has re-iterated that the removal of those statues posed an existential threat. I’ll blow up the entire house if I DON’T GET MY STATUES BACK.
Abby Martin is debunking all the propaganda that is being spread on your mind about, Venezuela, On her “Empire Files” Go watch it.
Was the following quote introduced to the blogosphere as a joke? Or a CIA style prank designed to demonstrate uncontested control over plebian perceptions / desires?
“The most effective way to destroy people is to deny and obliterate their own understanding of their history.”
The truth, of course being, that if our perceived history is unreliable then reliance on it to shape our futures is fraught with danger.
I think what Orwell would have actually written is;
The most effective way to manage peoples societal expectations is to manage their own understanding of their history.
The author of the quote betrays their allegiance to the US doctrine that destruction and obliteration leads to harmonised understanding of history that in turn will lead to unquestionable obedience and acceptance.
History (whether fake or not) has taught us that this has never worked and therefore a rational prediction is, it never will.