Paedophilia and Politicians 129

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I am genuinely confused following today’s official police report that paedophilia allegations against Edward Heath were credible enough to bear investigation. It does not surprise me that powerful politicians were protected from investigation in their lifetime. It is sad and sick, but not surprising. In the large majority of cases – Heath, Janner, Brittan, Freud, Smith, activities at Elm Guest House and Dolphin Square and more – we will never really know the full truth.

But my confusion is this.

These are not “copycat” allegations, because they were hushed up at the time. Yet there were, undeniably, a total of scores of allegations of paedophile abuse against politicians, spread right across the country, made by people nobody listened to and who in the vast majority of cases had no knowledge of each other.

Now there are not a similar tranche of historic allegations of other crimes against politicians. There is no evidence of historic shoplifting allegations, and surprising little of historic fraud and corruption allegations. Sexually, there is some limited number of historic adult rape allegations, but not nearly on the scale of the historic paedophilia allegations.

Why? It is not a rhetorical question. I genuinely do not understand it.

Paedophilia is in fact thankfully rare in society. It is notoriously difficult to estimate but medical authorities rate sexual attraction to pre-pubescent children at around 2% of the male population. But that is a figure for those who feel any kind of attraction, not for those who are prepared to act on it. That figure is far, far smaller. But it is very hard to quantify. There are approximately 20,000 convictions per year in the UK, but as the crime mostly happens within families that is certainly an understatement of the incidence. Most of the convictions also involve a family relationship.

To my knowledge, no significant proportion of the historic allegations against politicians involve their own family members. This makes them part of a still rarer group, those who set out to procure the sexual services of children with whom they have no connection. I do not see any room to doubt that Parliament had, over a period of decades, an incidence of criminals that indulged in this odious pattern of behaviour, that was very much higher than the incidence in the general population.

I ask again, why? I do not think power and impunity is enough of an answer. They were doing something the vast, vast majority of us would never do, no matter how sure to “get away with it”.

I can only think of two explanations. The first, and unlikely, is some sort of organisation of paedophiles designed to help each other into parliament. The second and probable explanation is that the desire for political power often reflects a personality disorder which leads to other aberrant behaviour, such as paedophilia.

It is rather important for society that we come to understand this, as it has severe implications for the way we organise society. Unfortunately, Theresa May, whether by design or incompetence, made such a pig’s ear of the Inquiry into historic child abuse, I fear our best chance has passed.

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129 thoughts on “Paedophilia and Politicians”

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  • Tony Little

    Maybe those who pursued this awful activity once they gained entry to the club that is the HoC/HoL did so simply because they could, and knew they would never be prosecuted for it during their lives? Maybe they were attracted to an act so outwith the norms of the society that they supposedly served, it was this ‘exceptionalism’ that attracted them in the first place?

    Like you, I have no ideas. Unfortunately, as we have seen, Whitehall is more than happy to cover the tracks of these people (e.g. all the “lost” files) and one wonders to what extent MPs and others were protected by the “Establishment” and in essence became potential blackmail victims if they didn’t “follow orders” coming from the Establishment. Some of the legislation passed in the 1960s-1990s dies belief today.

    Unfortunately, I do not think we will ever know. Only the dead are investigated, and they can’t talk.

  • Sam

    I absolutely agree that we need to pay much more attention to the psychology of people in power. Most sane people would run a mile rsther than take on the responsibility. I would not want power, because I don’t trust myself enough not to f**ck things up for other people. Of course, there are plenty of good politicians and other leaders, but looking back over history shows more than the usual share of egotists, psychopaths within the powerful.

  • Martinned

    The second and probable explanation is that the desire for political power often reflects a personality disorder which leads to other aberrant behaviour, such as paedophilia.

    I agree that it’s a fascinating question. The problem with this explanation is that it is not unique to the UK. It would imply that paedophilia should be (relatively) common among politicians in other countries too. And I’m not aware of a single such case outside the UK. Again, that could be because of lack of investigation, or because I read the wrong papers, but not a single case?

    (If you are inclined towards conspiracy theories, there is one famous case in the Netherlands: Joris Demmink, a former senior civil servant. He was the subject of an online witch-hunt for the better part of a decade, and investigated by the courts and by the police, but recently the DPP finally shut the inquiry down after concluding that the offences as alleged almost certainly never happened. http://www.dutchnews.nl/news/archives/2017/08/investigation-into-top-civil-servant-boy-rapes-claim-ends-no-charges/)

  • Sinc

    I would posit that the incidence of Paedophilia amongst politicians is higher than in the general populace.

    If you are a politician, and someone has evidence (photographic or otherwise) of your nefarious activities, then you can be controlled.

    • Matt

      I fear this might be closer to the truth. I say “fear” because it implies an unelected de facto group in charge, above the scope of politicians and democracy. They are happy to give “power” to the worst kind of people because these kind of people fear exposure, they are easy to control. I fear our government works in much the same way Scientology works to keep people like Tom Cruise under their control. What on Earth do they have on him?

      It makes me question every single politican who say one thing but do another. Which is most of them.

      I hope I’m just paranoid though and there’s a much less sinister explanation.

      • lysias

        To advance in Scientology, you have to confess your past misdeeds. The same is true — or at least used to be true — of Yale’s secret societies like Skull & Bones.

      • Paul Barbara

        @ Matt October 5, 2017 at 14:41
        Exactly – the ‘Deep State’ or ‘Shadow Government’. Politicians are just the puppets of these forces, who manipulate everything from behind the curtains.

    • Alasdair Macdonald

      Sinc,

      This echoes what another poster put up as a quote from the former Conservative Cabinet Minister, Mr Norman Fowler. He was explicit. It was about control, not justice for the hoi polloi.

  • Republicofscotland

    Surely the British security services now monitor MP’s on a regular basis, especially after the rather embarrassing Profumo Affair.

    I’d imagine that some form of information exists possibly at Thames House, on those politicians, that may have partook in such activities in the past.

    There have been allegations, in the past, that the British security services hold vital information on such matters.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/kincora-boys-home-historic-abuse-inquiry-to-examine-abuse-claims-a7057116.html

    This gives you a summary of the events surrounding the matter.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kincora_Boys%27_Home

  • Tom

    I was as confused about this as you were. A few years ago I asked a former police chief inspector why the secret services would be so keen to bury this, to protect the accused and effectively pervert the course of justice. His response was that they would only get involved if the royal family were involved.

    • fred

      It does raise the question of whether it would be ethical to use surveilance intended for the purposes of national security for the purposes of law enforsement. Justifying that would justify poilice surveilance without cause for the entire public.

      • Republicofscotland

        Yes, the royals should be made to pay for their own security, when they go hopping around the globe at the taxpayers expense.

        The security personnel would then be free to deal with more pressing matters.

      • J

        “Justifying that would justify poilice [sic] surveilance without cause for the entire public.”

        Already happening. Where have you been Fred?

        • fred

          I’ve been right here arguing against police surveillance without probable cause.

          Where have you been?

  • Grhm

    “…medical authorities rate sexual attraction to pre-pubescent children at around 2% of the male population…”
    To address the particular statistical connundrum that is puzzling you:
    The psychiatric disorder paedophilia, sexual attraction to pre-pubescents, is indeed very rare in all sections of society, including politicians.
    In modern western societies, however, the term ‘paedophile’ has come to be applied to those who are sexually attracted to individuals who are younger than an arbritarily-defined age of consent, which is well above the typical age of puberty.
    So you are not comparing apples with apples.

  • frankywiggles

    Strange how Theresa May’s blatant efforts to cover up this story is something that’s rarely referenced in assessments of her character, despite the general disgust the story provokes. It’s the same contempt for decency she continues to show in employing Gavin Barwell as her chief advisor, despite his having sat on fire-safety recommendations that would have prevented the Grenfell disaster. The same contempt she showed in suppressing the report into the Saudi role in terror incidents in the UK after the London Bridge attacks. Instead, she’s being widely hailed for her “fundamental decency” because she managed to deliver a conference speech with good humour.

  • Geoffrey

    There are many cases of fraud and corruption against politicians if you also include local politicians,Private Eye has been listing them fortnightly for many,many years.
    Do you think there are proportionally more paedophile politicians than teachers ? I doubt it .

    • frankywiggles

      The difference is paedophile teachers are routinely brought to book. What politician ever has been?

      • Geoffrey

        I don’t think that is true at all. I know of several paedophile teachers,now dead luckily,I know of many of whom there were rumours and allegations against , but I do not know single one “brought to book”.
        Would you like some names ?

  • Kempe

    There’s a third possibility which is that the incidence of paedophilia in parliament is really no greater than in the rest of the population. Accepting the 2% figure and bearing in mind that not all paedophiles are men then statistically there could be 13 paedophiles in parliament at any one time. As to the allegations against Heath the police did publicly ask for people to come forward and this was bound to attract fantasists, attention seekers and anyone drawn by a whiff the compensation. Whether there’s any truth in the small number of cases the police think credible we’ll probably never know.

    It’s interesting as to why the police are prepared to devote so much money and resources to investigating Heath 12 years after his death. Two years ago a complaint was made (not by me) to Thames Valley Historical Child Abuse Unit against a teacher at my old school, the police declined to follow up the allegations (which I’m certain were true) because the bloke had died in mid 90s.

  • Vestas

    How many of the pederast rapists were “educated” in public (this means private to non-UK readers) boarding schools?

    I think you’ll find more of a correlation if you look at that. I’m sure fucking pigs heads wasn’t the only abuse going on…..

    • Geordie Bordie

      Funnily enough, they do all dat sorta ting in Skull and Bones initiation. There’s a scene in The Good Shepherd film which deals with it, in a way.

      The idea is that one engages in obscene sexual acts, which are photographed, and then one is bonded to one’s brothers for life, under pain of revelation.

      Dunno if they do it anymore, now that they’re letting girls in.

      Anyway, Skull and Bones is much more status these days than contract.

      Since 1947 it’s been a bit surplus to requirements.

  • Geordie Bordie

    “The second and probable explanation is that the desire for political power often reflects a personality disorder which leads to other aberrant behaviour, such as paedophilia.”

    Close-ish.

    The Russians call it Kompromat,

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kompromat

    But obviously only they do that. We don’t do it, of course.

    The Americans do it, or have it done to them.

    So, plenty of public US resources to be digging into, for those who are interested.

    Dennis Hastert, US Speaker of the HoR is worth a look:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dennis_Hastert

    The Epstein case another. There are police videos of his entrapment operation:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeffrey_Epstein

    and much more, of course.

  • Shatnersrug

    Come on craig, think about it for a minute, private boarding school? Where the abused are encouraged to become the abuser and the circle is unbroken.

    Your question why so many in a small group is s similar question as why so many people from similar backgrounds in parliament

    But there is another thing that may well lead innocent young people into a life of criminal debauchery and that is cocaine abuse, once coked up people can be lead into creating any number of crimes they would never commit normally, murder, theft. It is a drug that quickly becomes an illness.

    Could a real hardcore child abuser use drugs to initiate others and then control them through blackmail? Is possible. Sound unlikely? Just look at 70s pop bands. Bowie and Jimmy Page both had sexual relationship with a Lori Maddox, a girl bearly 14, in fact Page supposedly had her abducted just to be with her

    http://www.rollingstone.com/music/lists/the-10-wildest-led-zeppelin-legends-fact-checked-20121121/jimmy-page-dated-a-14-year-old-girl-while-he-was-in-led-zeppelin-19691231

    What did Bowie and Page have in common? An out of control spiralling addiction to cocaine and alchohol

    Would either of them considered a 14 year old as partner material had then been sober? I doubt they even considered her age at all so out of it they were.

    The idea that paedophiles are different from everyone else needs to be questioned, it’s very easy to “other” criminals but what darkness lies in everyone’s hearts when on drug induced self destruction.

    • Kempe

      Currently 29% of MPs were privately educated, 51% went to comprehensives and Heath famously attended a state grammar school.

      • Geordie Bordie

        “51% went to comprehensives and Heath famously attended a state grammar school.”

        Yeah, they’re the worst.

        Greasy pole climbing buggers.

  • Giving Goose

    There are definitely politicans who I would define as Sociopaths.

    This was very evident from the Scottish Indy Ref where we saw numerous Unionist politians show their true colours and engage in activity and arguments that were morally dubious – think Project Fear. These same individuals were quick to accept gongs and priviledge as their reward.

    Ditto for Brexit, regardless of the quite legitimate viewpoints from both sides of the argument, various politicians on the Brexit side are presenting leave arguments that simply don’t stack up. Boris is one such, he is quite evidently motivated by personal gain and career enhancement.

    I do believe that the Westminster system is so completely corrupt that it attracts corrupt people and in addition it will corrupt.
    It is simply rotten to the core and is not fit for purpose.

    • lysias

      The system of electing representatives gives power to entirely the wrong sort of people. The ancient Athenians had a much better system.

  • Geordie Bordie

    Yup.

    The horrible Ruskies definitely doing it:

    “British Labour MP Chris Bryant, an ex-chair of the all-party parliamentary group for Russia, who claims that the Russian government orchestrated a homophobic campaign to remove him from this position, has claimed that the Russian government has acquired kompromat on high-profile Conservative MPs including Boris Johnson, Liam Fox, Alan Duncan, and David Davis.[22]”

    In The Guardian and everything.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kompromat

    I wonder why we don’t do it.

    Available tools and all that.

    That’s maybe why we’re slipping down the old most important countries thing.

    Perhaps I was naive but I’d always assumed that British Intelligence dated to at least Eliz I, the only older Intel operation centred in the Vatican.

    You’d think they had all the tricks.

    Yes, there’s the Oracle at Delphi which is a much older Intel op than the Vatican.

    Pedants.

  • Bea

    I very much agree that “the desire for political power often reflects a personality disorder which leads to other aberrant behaviour, such as paedophilia.”
    Perhaps craving power for its own sake goes hand in hand with a sort of sadistic impulse to abuse that power in one way or another, and particularly with an urge to hurt the innocent and crush the vulnerable.
    Child sex abuse is just one example.

    I am not sure that power corrupts. More that the corrupt thirst for power, and very often get it.

  • Paul Brockly

    It is possibly, what you say “The first, and unlikely, is some sort of organisation of paedophiles designed to help each other into parliament.” because like will protect like…..
    But much more likely that those who seek to control, will advance paedophiles so that they can be compromised blackmailed to do and vote the way that is required.
    The old honey trap……as one commentator said…..first it was extra marital affairs, then homosexuality, and now ……
    The security forces are named as using children in social care to compromise politicians with that predilection.
    But probably all these tools of control run still.

    • Rob Royston

      They legislated against the old honey trap offences, so they now have to draw them into paedophilia to control them.

  • Ba'al Zevul

    There is no evidence of historic shoplifting allegations, and surprising little of historic fraud and corruption allegations.

    Shoplifting isn’t really a crime lending itself to allegations, is it? A shoplifter is generally known only when the store catches him and prosecutes. He’s either done it or he hasn’t. Though I doubt many haven’t. And if you want to destroy an MP’s career, ‘I saw him nicking a Mars bar last Tuesday’ is rather lacking in tabloid appeal. Paedophilia is instant headlines, though.

    Fraud and corruption allegations are rarely made, because, under the guise of business and lobbying, the crimes are endemic. I wish it were otherwise, but it’s simply routine to reward a senior politician for his good work on your company’s behalf when in office, with a well-paid sinecure when he is no longer required to declare his income. See ‘Six-Jobs’ Osborne, for instance. And see ‘In The Back’ in Private Eye, any issue at all.

  • reel guid

    The old Liberal Party and then the Liberal Democrat Party went to considerable efforts to guard Cyril Smith from investigation.

  • Bea

    Paedophile politicians seem to be quite common internationally. Here are a few examples:

    September 2017 – Paedophile rehabilitation scandal brings down Iceland’s coalition:
    https://www.ft.com/content/2c062cdc-99f6-11e7-a652-cde3f882dd7b

    Belgian paedophile serial killer Marc Dutroux, with links to links to senior politicians, convicted in 2004 after decades of cover up:
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marc_Dutroux

    November 2016 – Norway pedophile scandal: Politicians reportedly among 20 arrested suspects:
    https://www.veteranstoday.com/2016/11/21/norway-pedophile-scandal-politicians-police-reportedly-among-20-arrested-suspects/

    December 2016 – historic links between founders of Germany’s Green Party and paedophile organisations emerged in 2013.
    http://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/health-family/germany-s-secret-paedophilia-experiment-1.2897942

    October 2015 – Liberal senator Bill Heffernan says former Australian prime minister a suspected paedophile:
    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/liberal-senator-bill-heffernan-says-former-prime-minister-a-suspected-paedophile-20151020-gke2o0.html

    There are many more examples.
    I think unfortunately that predatory paedophilia is common in all walks of life, that, like other people in positions of power, senior politicians are possibly more likely to have the psychopathic traits that make rape and abuse “attractive”, and that, because of their power and connections, they are more likely to get away with it.

  • Pyewacket

    I’m of the opinion that Theresa’s Pigs Ear of the Inquiry appears to be more by design than mere accident or incompetence. It is also of note that she has fought tooth and nail to try and keep any mention of the Kincora Boys out of the equation.

  • Laguerre

    As Vestas says above at 14.28, the common factor between paedophilia and politicians is probably the English boarding public school. Lock up a bunch of teenage boys with raging hormones together, and they’ll use whatever is available. Particularly when they did Classics, as I did, where they portrayed the ancient Greek ideal of real love as between a man and a boy, who could well have been underage, if they had had such laws in ancient Athens. Well, that’s apart from translating Times Leaders about cricket into deathless Athenian Greek prose. My Classics master certainly liked boys, and motorbikes.

    Anyway, I always thought Edward Heath was asexual. They did exist even then, though it’s much more popular now with YouTube. I thought the whole point was to accuse somebody famous who could be easily disproved, thus to discredit the whole investigation.

  • KingofWelshNoir

    In order to become a ‘made man’ in the Mafia you had to carry out a contract killing, an act that was called ‘making your bones’.

    Benefits of being a ‘made man’ were numerous: power, wealth, prestige and the protection of the Mob: you were virtually untouchable by ordinary criminals.

    But your masters could crush you any time they please by releasing the information about the murder you committed.

    The net effect was, your loyalty was absolute.

    And being an outcast like this, a murderer among murderer, reinforces your loyalty to the other outcasts.

    Any of this sound familiar?

    I suspect the same dynamic is at work here. Perpetrating the vilest crime known, the one that no one tolerates, is a kind of calling card from those seeking advancement.

    It sends the following message: ‘There is nothing I won’t do for you’.

    And when the person seeking High Office receives the invitation to the party where dark acts will be in train, then by accepting it he is signalling his willingness to submit to the Faustian bargain.

  • Geordie Bordie

    Comforting to know that they were banging on about this kind of thing back in the 17th century, and earlier of course. Much earlier.

    Tradition, eh

    That ominous continuity.

    “Therefore we need not make any scruple of praying against such: against those Sanctimonious Incendiaries, who have fetched fire from heaven to set their Country in combustion, have pretended Religion to raise and maintaine a most wicked rebellion: against those Nero’s, who have ripped up the wombe of the mother that bare them, and wounded the breasts that gave them sucke: against those Cannibal’s who feed upon the flesh and are drunke with the bloud of their own brethren: against those Catiline’s who seeke their private ends in the publicke disturbance, and have set the Kingdome on fire to rost their owne egges: against those tempests of the State, those restlesse spirits who can no longer live, then be stickling and medling; who are stung with a perpetuall itch of changing and innovating, transforming our old Hierarchy into a new Presbytery, and this againe into a newer Independency; and our well-temperd Monarchy into a mad kinde of Kakistocracy. Good Lord!”

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kakistocracy

  • aletho

    The obvious answer is that aberrant sexual behavior is a prerequisite when vetting persons for elevation to positions of power and influence. Not because it’s an affinity group but because the evidence of the behavior can be used by the deep state to control them.

    This is why Cameron poked a pig and why skull and bones has initiates play with themselves while blindfolded in coffins.

    In the UK one would have to have been compromised in order to attain any authority. Some would possibly pretend and go along with the act just to advance themselves.

    Ostrovsky writes about how this MO is used in the Mossad.

  • J

    Public school followed by the blackmail potential inherent in paedophilia ought to do it. Hence total control of those politicians by whomever holds the evidence. The most probable theory one can imagine is that in order to gain the blessings of existing elites, to be accepted into high office with speed and ease, one has to offer an insurance policy to those already there. One has to become a member of a very select club, within which all the premier members have the power of mutually assured destruction against all the other members. They each have some access to the evidence of each others ‘blooding,’ a crime so abhorrent, no political career can survive it’s release.

    I can’t help but wonder if this isn’t how the MAD nuclear deterrent policy occurred to those responsible for it. In any case, the beauty of this this theory is that it also suggests a plausible reason for the complete outright establishment resistance to Corbyn, even from the so called left. They had no leverage upon him.

  • Phil L

    David Cameron, when an executive at Carlton Communications, bought London Weekend Television and closes the pedophilia in power investigation that was being carried out by Crime Watch, (then produced by LWT), and gets made the leader of The Tory Party – William Hague, (when Welsh Secretary), “loses” a file on pedophilia in a North Wales Children’s home that was handed to him by his deputy and gets made leader of The Tory Party and then Teresa May “loses” an important file on pedophilia by people in high places and gets made leader of The Tory Party….

    Anybody else see a pattern here ???

    • J

      There’s a large body of independent investigation on all of these examples for those interested in the mechanics of power.

    • TV viewer

      Cameron was a joke PR executive when at Carlton, who barely knew who the Spice Girls were, let alone had his eye on difficult journalistic investigations. Got any evidence that he, rather than the merger, was responsible for closing down any particular programme?

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