“Comrade Putin, we have successfully stockpiled novichoks in secret for ten years, and kept them hidden from the OPCW inspectors. We have also trained our agents in secret novichok assassination techniques. The programme has cost hundreds of millions of dollars, but now we are ready. Naturally, the first time we use it we will expose our secret and suffer massive international blowback. So who should be our first target? The head of a foreign intelligence agency? A leading jihadist rebel in Syria? A key nuclear scientist? Even a Head of State?”
“No, Tovarich. There is this old retired guy I know living in Salisbury. We released him from jail years ago…”
WARNING If you harbour any doubts at all about the plausibility of Mr Johnson’s story, you are a crazed conspiracy theorist and a traitor. Plus you will never, ever get employed in the BBC or corporate media.
Good sarcasm Craig.
The Guardian, which many here are proud they no longer read ( whut?) has some snark of their own.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/mar/18/vladimir-putin-nonsense-to-think-russia-would-poison-spy-in-uk
https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2017/04/how-obamas-chemical-weapons-deal-fell-apart/522549/
“There were many technical reasons for the deal’s failure, most having to do with the deception and subterfuge of the Syrian regime. But the main reason Assad did not fully implement the agreement was political. At Russia’s insistence, the deal did not allow for the use of force or the automatic imposition of sanctions even in the event of Syrian violations—depriving Obama of a credible threat of force against Assad.”
I don’t know why you’ve quoted that rubbish, but my response would be: what Syrian violations? There’s not a single one proven. If people can take Khan Sheikhoun as imagined to be proof, where the White Helmets were operating in the open without protection, anybody can see the low level of evidence that people take as proof when it suits their agenda. Every single case has rightly been contested. All very similar to Salisbury.
I think it’s called context.
Is that upsetting detail specific enough?
Why should it be upsetting when it’s fake? Fake videos started very early in Syria, and have been well proven. But for you it’s all true. You’re a believer, like we say in Britain of the Brexiters.
ben
as good as an American bot at any rate. You’d do well to learn something about Syria, which you’ve never shown much sign of knowing much about (but still ready to accept what’s in the MSM).
I was under the impression that United Nations Security Council Resolution 2118 was adopted unanimously on 27 September 2013, in regard to the Framework for Elimination of Syrian Chemical Weapons during the Syrian civil war.
Of course there is a country close to the southern Syrian border, that hasn’t ratified the CWC, and has used nerve agents, and been caught doing so.
The Red-line was scrubbed by Putin..
It’s surprising to see Novichok surface in 2018, not least because Russia was supposed to have destroyed its 39,967 metric tons of chemical weapons by September 2017, according to the international organization that oversees the chemical weapons ban. The British prime minister has demanded that Moscow release information about the Novichok program, so it’s possible that we could soon learn more about these nerve agents.
Bishop, however, says not to bet on it: “The Russians are really good at keeping secrets.”
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.theverge.com/platform/amp/2018/3/14/17120696/russian-novichok-skripal-nerve-agent-chemical-weapon-poisoning-england
Isn’t that the point Craig was making, Ben?
Ben seems to have missed the posts (with article links to back them up) that point out that Iran has been able to synthesize Novichok in 2016/2017, that the OPCW were not previously aware of a successful production of the agent, yet the US claimed in 1999 it was going in to clean up Nukus in Uzbekistan of Novichok, confirmed in 2003 that it had, thanking Dr Mirzayanov for whistleblowing on Novichok at the same time, whilst apparently failing to pass on to the OPCW details of what it found.
Questions need to be asked of the US Nunn-Lugar Cooperative Threat Reduction Program and what it did or didn’t find in Uzbekistan between 1999-2003. This is because if it did find Novichok, why didn’t it tell the OPCW? And if it didn’t find anything, why didn’t it say so and why did it thank Mirzayanov for his whistle-blowing?
Was it embarrassment on previously announcing it was going in to Nukus to clean it of Novichok, and then finding it wasn’t actually there? Or were people in this program, or their superiors, happy to let the American people believe there was this threat, in the wake of 9/11?
There was plenty of evidence of chemical weapons, but Mirzayanov’s claims were about something not declared (arguably because the nature of Novichoks gets around that requirement on a technicality). Yet it seems the US failed to declare to the OPCW any positive findings of such, despite apparently cleaning-up Nukus.
It raises questions about the authenticity of Mirzayanov’s claims about the successful production of Novichok, as well as the US’s work in cleaning up the former Soviet chemical weapons site at Nukus, in Uzbekistan.
What actually gives Mirzayanov’s work credence is this test in Iran. But then again, that still only proves that his work could lead to a successful Novichok production, not that it had actually been done previously by him or the Soviets.
So we only have his say so – backed up by the US – who failed to provide evidence to the OPCW, despite the clean-up of Nukus – that the Soviets ever produced any viable Novichoks.
And now we have the worst ever Foreign Secretary, a confirmed liar and maker-up of stories (for which he’s been sacked twice), trying to tell us that Russia has been making and weaponizing Novichok, for a somewhat vague period of time within the last decade.
Let’s assume for the moment that this is true. How long has the UK known this? If it is any time prior to Skripal being attacked, why didn’t the UK act on this, through the OPCW, as soon as possible, which could then have prevented the attack on Skripal?
If the UK has come by this intelligence following Skripal’s attack, how come this information has only come to light after the fact and too late to prevent an attack? How reliable is it?
the portondown blimp is not black hawk down
butt risin
a controlled landing simply for more methane fuellings tis all
a redrafting scripting of the storyline dash bored car positions
boris blimped ready to sail again not to mars buturanus
ding dong hello ladies all aboad the bullingdon bloater party time
the friends of tory blair,nat and oleg derapaskamandelsohnn all invited
did eye say all aboard ladies sorry meant
boyz and gentlemens and some more boys
no aircraft on are carriers
child perverters of westminster.
no matter
up up in the air
mayday mayday
bloater coming down fast
The Toxic Mother-in-Law theory is gaining ground rapidly as Russia on Friday opened a probe into the “attempted premeditated murder” of Yulia Skripal, who along with her father was poisoned by a nerve agent in Britain. The committee, which reports directly to President Vladimir Putin, opened a case based “on the fact of attempted premeditated murder of Russian national Yulia Skripal”, it said in a statement. The statement did not mention Yulia Skripal’s father Sergei,
http://www.france24.com/en/20180316-russia-opens-probe-poisoning-skripal-daughter-former-spy?ref=tw
Another journal who knows who did it.
“The statement did not mention Yulia Skripal’s father Sergei, who is also in a critical condition in hospital after being poisoned with a Soviet-designed nerve agent called Novichok.”
As to the Glushkov murder which at the time of the article was described as unexplained was that same day turned into a murder inquiry. My latest blog covers my thoughts on this murder.
“Do I believe the Russians were involved in the so-called attempted murder of the Skripals? No. I believe it was a false flag set up by our government to scupper the World Cup. Do I believe that some Russian agents may have killed Glushkov? Quite possibly. That murder opens up a whole can of worms.”
”The statement did not mention Yulia Skripal’s father Sergei,”
Obviously because he is not a Russian national and not their concern.
For everyone’s convenience, here is a list of 16 conspiracy theories about the Skripal attack. If you want to argue that someone other than Putin et al. did it, all you have to do is pick one…
https://twitter.com/JuliaDavisNews/status/971923644300648454
Does it include the Conspiracy theory set out by the May Government?
Nice one Agent Green.
The most prevalent conspiracy theory being floated around in the UK is that Putin did it. Come to think of it, since most conspiracy theories worth the name are based on at least one piece of evidence it probably doesn’t count.
Putin has changed his spots….
Putin is innocent
Water is dry
The sky is NOT blue..its just photons striking gas molecules or unicorn farts.
Ben – I hope you are never accused of anything and sent to trial. Presumably you would have no objection to the Jury just convicting you without evidence?
Ben, you are being absurd.
Putins is not sky blue, erc. as I have indicated in explaining the sinking of the Estonia which was taking contraband from the former USSR to Sweden, perhaps with nerve agents on it, and Stockholm prevents the investigation of its causes.
Interesting that iChristopher Andrew’s his massive history of the KGB has no mention of chemical weapons of mass destruction in it.
Absurd is on topic Trow.
I never base my conspiracy theories,especially in this case, upon only one piece of evidence. it all goes back to the Anglo-American plot to blame the JFK assassination on the commies which was ruined by Governor Connally being mistakenly shot, and his surviving to get the plotters who apparently double crossed him.
At least one I said.
RT now reporting that US Senators urging Trump to block Nordstream II.
Normal American geopolitical tactics. False Flag then smashing Free Trade of third parties to impose forced US trade on worse terms…
Is that what Nigel Farage, Jacob Rees-Mogg et al salute?
It is not what I salute. Not now. Not ever….
The World at One is wobbling:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b09vyvpy#play
03:43 “following the nerve agent attack in Salisbury”
04:45 “the nerve agent allegedly used to poison”
The propaganda isn’t even meant to be believed: it is simply a loyalty test, and as far as the political media elite are concerned, Jeremy Corbyn (and doubtless many ordinary voters) failed when he asked for evidence and compliance with the Chemical Weapons Convention.
Yes sorry to repeat things but I said that before. A test of public gullibility. The ‘nudge unit’. ‘Behavioural Insights’ no less.
http://www.behaviouralinsights.co.uk/inside-the-nudge-unit/
This is an astute observation. The sheer lack of believable evidence, or even information, seems to be inversely proportional to the amount of emotional investment needed to sustain the baseless ‘conviction.’ It’s how most religions work after all. Also explains the absurd levels of resentment and anger shown to anyone who chooses not to even make a choice on the Russia accusation, like Corbyn, but to wait for more (or actual) evidence. Few people actually like seeing themselves reflected, in the independence of others, as an unthinking automaton acting on orders. They’ll accuse you of anything to get rid of that idea.
Reasons for not handing over a dossier of samples and analysis:
1) There aren’t any real ones.
2) There are samples but the Novichok was manufactured outside Russia and the analysis proves it.
3) The samples are not those of the Skripals (and the UK Gov. is wetting themselves at the prospect of Skripal family remains being exhumed to prove no DNA profile in samples is consistent with being father to son or daughter to mother).
4) Samples were not processed according to OPCW rules so all evidence will be invalid in court.
5) Samples will not contain Novichoks but will contain other poisons.
6) Samples will contain agents manufactured at DSTL.
7) The UK does not believe in legal due process.
8) Britain will only let NATO ally countries do anslysis for OPCW and OPCW insists on neutral third parties in Asia carry it out.
9) Being objectionable is just rhe way UK people are.
10) We know Putin did it so why waste time?
has anyone seen the ” victims” yet, have they been seen by the Russian ambassador?
Thankyou Rhys, I like your contributions.
Another instructive lesson in the depths to which this country’s amnesiac, jingoistic media is prepared to sink. So desperate to pin this on Russia, despite glaring absences of evidence and motive, they’ve lined up foursquare behind the most unprincipled liar in modern British political history.
The closest comparison may have been last year when Trump suddenly became ‘presidential’ in corporate media eyes for firing cruises at the Arabs. But Boris Johnson uniformly hailed as a purveyor of truth? Even he couldn’t have made that up.
dah! spell-check again. You meant perverter of truth and young Tory women. I’m so bored of this story, I mean fiction. What do the people who agree with Mrs May think is going on in the world? Britain ‘s sun is shining over the empire through a cloudless sky? Wogs getting killed they’re good at that, they’ve been doing it for hundreds of years. The one, only true religion was manifested to Henry VIII and has passed down to us through the blue blood line of tory purity? in the last recession , nobody really lost money, so long as they held their nerve and didn’t sell at the wrong time?
Is this really a test of faith? Faith in all things British? I am an utter disbeliever. I don’t believe a word of Tory lies, banks, MI6 MI5. I don’t believe in the queen or the crown, nor the stuck up cunts in parliamentary robes.
The UK is shown by all this propaganda for what it is – a ghost ship full of wraiths and now I know for sure the Rime of the Ancient Mariner was a satire on the UK.
“Yea, slimy things did crawl with legs
Upon the slimy sea.
About, about, in reel and rout
The death-fires danced at night;
The water, like a witch’s oils,
Burnt green, and blue, and white. ”
Really the guilt of successive UK governments meting war and destruction on the Muslims and their countries through proxy terrorists and bombs, is overwhelming and unbearable. Why did they not stop after the second world war, when everyone swore to make amends for that catastrophe?
Some of the language used against Russia in the last two weeks is like the spoutings of the mad.
The whole damn crew! Just Jeremy Corbyn and Craig Murray witnessing amid a cast of zombies.
I hope you dropped the mic after posting that. Spot on.
You’ve not been reading this thread or this site correctly if you think anyone is defending anyone.
People just want evidence and an independent investigation before any conclusions of guilt are made.
Guess what: I’m not defending anyone. I’m just pointing out that evidence is still important and that outgassing your own prejudices is no substitute for it!
You’re both full of bulloney and due process concerns for an international criminal. Or are Oligarchs exempt from your good sense?
Why mention Tony Blair now?
Fact: Boris Johnson has put up no evidence that its Putin wot did it.
So there is but two equally disturbing conclusions;
He actually believes what he’s saying and doesn’t understand what evidence means or he is lying and doesn’t care who knows.
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It might be disturbing for those who are unfamiliar with the more sinister aspects of UK foreign policy.
It’s extremely disturbing that senior politicians are pretending to be included in those.
The only way I can see of blaming Russia for the attack with any certainty is to exclude every other country in the world with a chemical weapons program from the investigation, given that Novichok’s chemical formula is publicly available. But I don’t know of any legitimate reason for excluding all the other possible perpetrators at the start of the investigation.
Do they really think that UK spooks wouldn’t do this? Or the Americans, the Saudis, the Israelis, the Ukrainians? All of them oppose Russia’s actions in either Ukraine or Syria and would love to see them demonised even more than they have been so far.
Doubtless the lack of any punishment or consequence over the WMD scandal has emboldened some in government to manufacture further events for political gain. It is hard to swallow that Martin Pearce, head of the Biological Weapons Identification Group at Porton Down and infamous for his role in the ‘Wood Green ricin plot’ in 2002 – an influential event in the Iraq debacle, later received an OBE for his services in 2015. If we look back 18 months there are countless Whitehall/MOD originated stories in the media warning of the so-called ‘Russian Threat’ – from cyber attacks to the cutting of under water communication cables, every single story is accompanied with a call to increase defense spending. Could Salisbury have been a security services false flag aimed at bolstering the case for an increase in defense spending? It’s currently at 2% GDP, the MOD want it to be 3%. Forcing the government to spend an extra £20bn on defense per anumm would make an awful lot of people very rich indeed.
I guess his protectors feel there is not enough evidence..this time. I see it like traffic violations. Maybe you were innocent of the current citation, but what about all those times you weren’t caught?
“The list of people suspected murdered on orders from the Russian leader or people close to him is long. It includes several of Putin’s early critics (paywall), among them liberal politician Boris Nemtsov, investigative journalist Anna Politkovskaya, and exiled former Russian spy Alexander Litvinenko. A UK government report showed that Litvinenko’s death—he was poisoned using polonium in London—while was “probably” approved by Putin.
Both Politkovskaya and Litvinenko had tried to investigate a series of bombings in 1999, when Putin was prime minister, that killed some 300 people in four Russian cities. The authorities blamed the bombings on Chechen rebels and used them as a pretext to unleash a war on Chechnya, but there are strong suspicions 1 that they were a “false-flag” attack by Russia’s own own security services.
When confronted with Putin’s record of killings on a TV show last year, Trump answered, “Well, I think that our country does plenty of killing, too, Joe.” He added, “I’ve always felt fine about Putin. He’s a strong leader. He’s a powerful leader.”
Imprisoning dissenters
According to a list from Russian human-rights group Memorial, there are now 102 people held in Russian prisons for their political beliefs. In this, Putin’s Russia is continuing Tsarist and Soviet traditions: Political dissenters are still being sent to Siberia or to work camps as in Stalinist days. Famous past prisoners have included oligarch Mikhail Khodorkovsky, feminist punk collective Pussy Riot, and Ukrainian pilot Nadiya Savchenko. Still confined is Ukrainian filmmaker Oleg Sentsov, who was sentenced to 20 years in a strict penal colony in Siberia on trumped-up terrorism charges. 2
Occupying foreign territory
Sentsov is one of at least 10 Ukrainian nationals serving long sentences in Russia who were arrested after Russia annexed Crimea in 2014 and started sponsoring rebels in eastern Ukraine. The Kremlin-backed protracted conflict, Europe’s “forgotten war,” is is in its third year, and has claimed nearly 10,000 lives.”
https://www.google.com/amp/s/qz.com/862764/heres-a-list-of-abuses-in-vladimir-putins-russia/amp/
All very interesting but none of it has anything to do with the Skripal case and does not constitute evidence of any useful kind.
Smoke usually means ‘fire!’ amongst civilized or uncivilized..
But the Agenda…
The Zeitgeist!
How are anti-Pooties faring in good old Russia?
In case you’ve forgotten we’re actually discussing an odd little event here in old England town.
So we don’t have political prisoners here in the UK.?
Paul Golding and Jayda Fransen might disagree.
And the three overseas speakers planning to speak this weekend at Speakers Corner who were arrested, held in British detention and then deported just days ago. They too may disagree.
Worse Paul Golding has already, just days into his imprisonment, had islamic thugs given access to his cell, has been badly beaten up and had his nose broken.
That is what happens to political prisoners here.
I suspect both Golding and Fransen can expect multiple rapes and more beatings until freed.
That’s probably Russia’s fault as well.
frickin Julian Assange
Ben: “A UK government report showed that Litvinenko’s death—he was poisoned using polonium in London—while was “probably” approved by Putin.”
Ben, you and many others, including Craig, are using the Litvinenko case as another ‘proven’ to have been carried out by Russia/Putin.
Please read these criticisms of the inquiry’s report:
“Six reasons you can’t take the Litvinenko report seriously –
Inquiry points the finger at Vladimir Putin and the Russian state, but its findings are biased, flawed and inconsistent”
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/feb/05/litvinenko-report-get-it-wrong-putin
“The Litvinenko inquiry – a legal critique and alternative view –
This analysis shows why the Litvinenko Inquiry was a farce and why its report is in the end worthless.”
https://off-guardian.org/2017/12/12/the-litvinenko-inquiry-a-legal-critique-and-alternative-view/
Fair enough..plenty of holes..
“The report fails to acknowledge that Goldfarb is not an objective observer in this case. For instance, he was also involved in promoting the anti-Putin protests of the punk rock group Pussy Riot. This is important because it suggests that the accusations against Putin form part of a long-running campaign stretching over his entire tenure in the Kremlin.
The report recounts many allegations against him as if they were discrete events rather than seeing them as part of a continuous process. The point here is that the inquiry should have considered Goldfarb’s testimony within a context of a systematic anti-Putin agenda.”
But I have less confidence in the veracity of Putin’s objective innocence when he hides behind the enforcers operating without hindrance and clings to an ancient and unproven Orthodoxy of religious fervor.
The ideological drone: http://www.unz.com/tsaker/when-sanity-fails-the-mindset-of-the-ideological-drone/
Ben you are so much better in picking up UK Government propaganda than any of us.
Why is that?
Have you been busted or threatened, that you decided to come back here? the site you so avidly detest?
US arms, bombing and active involvement in the ‘liberation of Mosul has cost 14-16.000 civilians death, depending on who do you listen to, wherever they tread they leave chaos and war. Why is that?
Are all past and present serving US soldier conditioned to be used to being in their service, their bitch for all occasions, for the rest of their lives?
The most logical explanation is it’s just stuff and nonsense made up to demonise Putin, so when he, along with Assad, Iran, and likely Iraq call out the upcoming ‘False Flag’ CW attack by the West’s proxy headchopping mercenaries, the MSM and government will have less of a job selling their lies.
Very dangerous game.
http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=dr+strangelove+full+movie&view=detail&mid=75E1A31513CE72C88E7A75E1A31513CE72C88E7A&FORM=VIRE&adlt=strict
‘Duck, and cover’ (especially Ben!).
I think the whole “novichok” (NC) saga is a red herring. Think logically:
Premise 1: (The UK govt told us) 2 people were “poisoned” with a “military grade” NA from the NC- program.
Premise 2: (According to Dr.Mirzayanov who is the initial source for most reports about these binary NAs) these substances are so toxic that there is no chance to survive (when used as a “military grade” murder-weapon).
Fact 1: Neither of the 2 “victims” have died (btw- how long can someone be “in a critical condition” and yet go on living?). The police officer is already receiving visitors (PM May herself) but no-one is allowed to see the 3 patients, and there are no interviews with the medical staff who treat them (so no information about the medical forensic analysis, the diagnosis or the treatment is available).
Conclusion: A “military grade”, extremely toxic NA cannot possibly have been used.
Coroboration: The female “doctor” (whose name is withheld, why?) who allegedly found the Skripals on the bench and tried to administer first aid has experienced no symptoms of NA poisoning although she had close physical contact with them for almost half an hour (according to press reports). This also indicates that no such “horrible” NA was used.
The police have no idea HOW and WHERE the “dirty deed” was done and know nothing about NAs. They were just “told” that it was a “novichok” by people who work for the government. So they are not independent experts since the govt (the so-called “deep-state”) is “pissed off” big time about Russias interference in Syria.
Even if the OPCW is now going to examine “samples” of the alleged NA, this is of no value in forensic terms and would not be admissible in court since it is now 14 days since the “incident” and there is no chain of custody.
As we all know from detective thrillers on TV, the first thing the police must do, is secure the crime-scene to avoid “contamination”: they must ensure that there is no tampering with the crime scene, nothing added, nothing removed.
In this case it is not even known WHERE the crime took place so it is impossible to examine the crime-scene for traces of a NA. (it could not have been the bench where they were found).
Hence there is no proven link between a “sample” of a NA (given to the OPCW) and the alleged crime and as long as the route of administration is unknown the whole thing is just one big charade.
As I have said before, it is more important to look at the WHY not the How: Who profits politically from this sensational “poisoned ex-spy-tale”? Certainly not Russia but the NATO-hypocrites who are covertly “running” the “rebels” in Syria and now hate Russia for spoiling their evil plans in Syria.
We notice that NATO allies joined the UK on the Skripal thing denouncing Russia. Now reports say the EU may join the chorus.
So this newest anti-Russia agitprop move ratchets up the overall psychological warfare (perception management-information warfare) campaign.
We can speculate on a war scenario for which this campaign is preparing international opinion. Here is one, and do note there are no conspiracies suggested, just logical sequences:
1. Trump pulls out of the Iran agreement on nukes in May.
2. The stage being set, Israel attacks Hizbollah in Lebanon
3. The US is dragged in, US citizens in Lebanon as tripwire, and the war expands against Iran and Syria
4. NATO enters
5. Russia is forced to reply.
6. China will coordinate with Iran and Russia at first behind the scenes.
7. War on
8. Israel takes the cover of war to expel or “transfer” as they say (ethnic cleansing?) Palestinians from Israel into Jordan which Israel then asserts is Palestine.
….Champagne flows at Henry Jackson Society, Milbank Tower, Westminster.
You forgot the last point:
9. The war goes nuclear and all life on Earth dies.
AG. Well, yes that has a certain logic.
But, take heart, according to the Dispensationalist Fundamentalists in the US, Canada, UK and wherever, this is good. Armegeddon is part of the process of the Last Days. So, what will happen is that chosen souls will get bodily lifted into Heaven thereby enjoying Christs eternal rule up there not down here on Earth which will be vaporized. Because these souls will be bodily lifted to Heaven the nuclear effects won’t hurt them.
We can thank the insane Victorian British preacher John Nelson Darby for this heresy. In the US there are said to be several millions who believe this. They support the ingathering of Jews in Israel as a step in the process. These several millions are part of the political base of the Republicans. They use the apocalyptic Scofield Bible which is curiously printed by Oxford University Press.
The Dispensationalists in the US support an organization called Citizens United for Israel (CUFI) which has a website. Their world view is that Russia and the Medo-Persians (Iran), as they say, will trigger Armegeddon by attacking the Holy Land/Israel. So a nuclear war quite all right.
Do note that the rabble rouser Steve Bannon of White House fame asserts he is a “Christian Zionist” and uses that to mobilize political base. His French and Italian friends probably haven’t noticed this yet.
At any rate, take heart, you can be Saved….
….Champagne flows at Henry Jackson Society, Milbank Tower, Westminster. Point 3 is laughable as the creator can’t be dragged in, but by all means pretend the US is innocent in what happened to Syria.
Sadly the champagne will stop flowing after point 4.
Point 6 has already happened, and point 7 is inevitable. Point 8 might be futile as the whole middle east might have gone up in smoke already, including that rogue state.
Are you familiar with cosmic top secret responses by NATO sallispopuli.org.
lastly, have you come here to highlight your very own blog?
‘The “moderate rebels” of Ghouta’: http://www.voltairenet.org/article200163.html
‘…..These three groups have no ideological difference. All claim to be the thought of the Muslim Brotherhood [4]. According to them, daily life is divided between what is lawful from the point of view of their Islam and what is not.
There are, however, differences between the three groups about how they can treat people who do not share their point of view. Be that as it may, no one lives under their rule without being a Sunni.
Like all the fighters of the “Islamic revolution”, their men often change their group and these groups fight each other and join together frequently. It is absurd to draw substantive conclusions. At most, we can see territorial quarrels between their leaders and opportunities for their soldiers.
All of these groups and countless others have well-designed flags and logos as well as quality videos. All of this communication material is manufactured by the United Kingdom. In 2007, it had a war propaganda unit, the Research Information and Communications Unit (RICU) headed by MI6 (Secret Service) officer Jonathan Allen. Starting from the chemical weapons case in the summer of 2013, the RICU financed an external company to assist the communication of combatants in Syria (and subsequently those of Yemen). It was initially Regester Larkin, then Innovative Communications & Strategies (InCoStrat). Both companies are headed by an MI6 officer, Colonel Paul Tilley.
Jonathan Allen, whose rank we do not know, has become number two in the UK permanent representation at the United Nations. He is currently leading the Security Council against Russia and Syria…..’
Read the whole thing – I’ve got to go as I’m on a public system and my time is up.
Having read the link you provided it seems that the Allouche family now resident in London have had men thrown to their death off tall buildings in East Ghouta for the crime of being gay. I’m surprised the Met, BBC Guardian and Peter Tatchell aren’t investigating these obvious crimes.
But it seems any old criminal, terrorist etc can live in London or Manchester if they pay the Tories enough or do a turn for our “security services”. I’m tempted to ask when did Britain become a morally bankrupt nation but I guess the answer is we were never not.
Scotland is not morally bankrupt nation. If you mean England you should say England.
This ‘Britain’ or ‘UK’ alibi for the misdeeds of English governments and their supporters has gone far enough.
Economically, ‘Britain’ is a con whereby Scotland’s wealth is plundered.
Psychologically, ‘Britain’ is a convenient veil that means England doesn’t have to look at itself in the mirror.
I don’t really want to get that far off topic reel guid but the country that sold its sovereignty in 1702 to give us Britain, and then gave us RBS, Tony Blair and Donald Trump and his golf course, cannot make any special claims to moral purity. I am sure that a substantial minority of both Scots and English populations retain some decency across all political parties. Much of the elites of both are tarred with the same brush.
65% of Scots want to stay in the European Union. 65% is a substantial minority isn’t it?
“Scotland is not morally bankrupt nation. If you mean England you should say England………… ‘Britain’ is a convenient veil that means England doesn’t have to look at itself in the mirror.”
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Well said.
The rebels of Ghouta have not been ‘moderate’ for a long time. That’s why the western MSM only talk about civilians, and never mention the fighters. You could still talk about ‘moderates’ in Idlib, if you tried hard enough. There are a few still left there, though it seems most (FSA) went off to fight for Turkey in Afrin. The ground forces in Afrin are said to be mostly FSA.
Craig, Thank you for your courage and sense of public duty in helping expose this scandal. Cross-posted on Principia Scientific International and shared internationally among independent scientists:
https://principia-scientific.org/shock-uk-scientists-confirm-so-called-russian-poison-may-not-be-russian/
A few more facts;
The law did not apply to Blair and Britain’s involvement in the invasion of Iraq.
Parliament did not punish Blair or any of his helpers. The Law Courts prosecuted various soldiers including SAS & Marines but no one was prosecuted for sending them to do their duty.
Parliament doesn’t care if wars are created on lies, millions killed, millions more scattered as refugees. Parliament a decorates those that create the wars, give them honours, enhance their pensions make sure they have a job to go to in “retirement”.
Parliament closes down detractors, it is now illegal to take a photograph of a policeman beating shit out of an anti-war protester. Civil Servants blowing the whistle are killed, jailed or attacked as “nuters”.
The law makers want war. This is 2018 Britain.
May and Boris can say and do as they like as long as they keep to the script, their lies can be transparent their evidence laughable; they are untouchables. They will be well rewarded as will their helpers.
But they are close to a tipping point and the law will not be there to protect them if the British public cry … ENOUGH!
I am surprised it hasn’t already happened but there again maybe they are more clever than we think and they know the public are a bunch cowardly little shits or that most are now broken and accept their lot.
Putin stating the obvious, if it had been a military grade agent, they would be dead.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8x2oxzXAxbk
Notice how the police have been blanked from the BBC propaganda, after they could not stop the DCI saying ‘this may take months, we have no person of interest, no suspects and no evidence’. Phew! shut that man up!
It’s worth reminding that the Russian economy isn’t that big. So any further sanction on Russia could have a severe effect. Since the fall of the USSR, the west has been attempting to isolate and demonise Russia. The Russian bogeyman, is good for the arms trade, in the US and elsewhere.
Indeed anyone who watches films will know that in most cases the Russian/s is the bad guy, a subliminal message?
I doubt Putin could stave off a full blown assault from Nato, however is that the intention here? Possibly not, I’d say its more of a case of isolating Russian influence from Iran and Syria.
Those two nations are more likely to be invaded than Russia, infact Turkey is already making inroads into Syria, under the guise of suppressing terrorist Kurds.
In my opinion the idea using whatever means necessary (Skirpal etc) is to negate Russian ties in the ME, and open a gateway to the demise of Syria and Iran.
‘ I doubt Putin could stave off a full blown assault from Nato ‘
History suggests otherwise. Although historical lessons seem lost on Neo Cons.
Anthony.
I very much doubt a full blown conflict is on the cards. This is just a bit of fun, it illustrates Russian/US forces, excluding other Nato members, military capacity, and excluding nukes.
https://www.globalfirepower.com/countries-comparison-detail.asp?form=form&country1=russia&country2=united-states-of-america&Submit=COMPARE
If NATO assaulted Russia, Russia would use nuclear weapons. It has been made clear countless times that Russia will never fight on its own soil again. They will also never surrender and nuclear weapons would be used even if they had technically lost already. They would make absolutely sure that nobody wins, in other words.
Which is why they developed Systema “Perimetr”, or “Perimeter”. It is alleged to be a last ditch missile launch system designed to respond autonomously to a crippling a US ‘first strike’. Known to the West as ‘Dead Hand’, the system would fulfill mutually assured destruction.
“Although historical lessons seem lost on Neo Cons.”
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The neocons apparently still think that Winter wos wot wun it for Russia in the past.
RoS haven’t you noticed that in many Hollywood films the upper class Englishman is the bad guy? Looks like they’ve already got Johnson’s number.
Phil.
Yes good point, I wonder what nationality the bad guys are in Russian films? Dare I say British or American.
Hello,
I am a Bulgarian and I have been reading this blog for a couple of weeks.
I would like to tell you two things:
1. I love many things in Britain and the British culture: books, theater, British movies (not US but British), Sense Of Humor, and especially rock and roll music (Pink Floyd first and another 100 groups and musicians, again not US but British).
2. I love the culture of Russia too. I am interested in history of Europe and WW2 especially. They have great cinema too.
So, having seen more that 500 Russian movies, I have never seen the UK or US to be the bad guys. Nor the contemporary Germany. The only villains have always been the Nazi Germans in the WW2 movies. This is something very important in my opinion.
To finish this:
Most of us in Bulgaria do not believe in this dirty story of your government. I am glad that many of you do not believe too.
(There are no proofs, no logic, nothing)
We know that this is all about the dirty deeds of your partner US. It is high time for you to go your own way without those stupid mother fockers otherwise your beautiful country with its great culture is doomed.
Let’s pray for peace.
Kind regards,
D
The toey hysteria suggests this is the usual British dirty tricks op gone wrong. Police and reportage usually concentrate on the victims of crime – what nice churchgoing people they were, no enemies, played cricket etc. Yet we have NO details about these ones! What about her life in Russia, his life in Salisbury? How does he have a top range BMW? What were they up to? Just saw Johnson blustering on TV [Mon. ca. 16.00] and his pained face showed he has difficulty believing his own lies. What madness has gripped the English [as if brexit weren’t loopy enough] when the simple theme of English law ‘innocent till proven guilty’ arouses such fury?
A little historical perspective. On 4 March 1918, the first case of Spanish Flu was recorded at Funston Army Camp in Kansas – the start of a worldwide pandemic killing up to 100 million people over the next two years. Mother Nature’s bacterial warfare is a rather more efficient killing machine.
BBC are promising to frighten us all with ‘Contagion -‘Pandemic’ coming soon on BBC Four.
‘The government rates the global outbreak of a deadly flu virus as a major threat to the UK. It could happen at any time. To predict the impact of the next pandemic more accurately than ever before, new data is needed – and lots of it. Dr Hannah Fry is on the case.
She sets out to recruit the nation to download the BBC Pandemic app in a ground-breaking experiment to help plan for when the next deadly virus comes to the UK. How quickly will it spread? How many could it kill? What can we do about it? The BBC Four Pandemic experiment will find out.
Hannah masterminds the experiment and adopts the role of Patient Zero by walking the streets of Haslemere in Surrey to launch the outbreak. Meanwhile, emergency physician Dr Javid Abdelmoneim finds out why flu is still such a danger to society a century after Spanish flu killed up to 100 million people worldwide. He meets researchers trying to discover what makes some people more contagious than others and visits a factory that will produce vaccine when the next pandemic flu virus emerges.
Armed with the information he gathers and the results of the BBC Four Pandemic experiment, Hannah and Javid make a shocking revelation.’
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p059y0p1
A relative died in the 1918 outbreak having served in the forces in WW1. There’s gratitude.
The news wheel seems to have turned now, and there is still very sparse information on the Skripals themselves. Especially Yulia Skripal. Many of the few details in UK articles are shovelled straight across from Russian journalists with obviously better access to people, but aspects of chronology seem to have been mangled in the process.
It is odd to me that some of the details that appear in the BBC Russian service’s articles do not then appear on the English language BBC!
Komsomolskaya Pravda: Ms Skripal worked in a mid-level logistics position for Nike around 2010. Moved to the UK.
2 years ago returned to Moscow to be with her boyfriend (the man in the black Range Rover who moved in with her from an exclusive area of Moscow). She got work at the US embassy, *then* worked for a Cambridge University affiliate school, where she did not complete her probationary period.
Her employer, if she had one, at the time of leaving to visit Salisbury – explained by a source to a Russian paper as being to mark the anniversary of her brother’s death with her father – isn’t confirmed or suggested by anyone.
PepsiCo confirmed with the BBC Russian service that Ms Skripal had not worked for them since at least 2016.
The named sources of information on, for example, the deleting of photos of her father and partner from her social media accounts, are the same for KP and the BBC.
The Skripals have relatives in Yaroslavl (even including Sergey Skripal’s living mother, believe it or not). A couple of these are the sources of the idea that the mother of Ms Skripal’s partner caused trouble over the prospect of marriage. It seems from Russian news sites that they have now stopped talking to the press.
As she is a citizen, the Russian Federation has opened a criminal investigation of Yulia Skripal’s attempted murder, which we can rest assured, where there are clashes with the UK investigation, will provide plenty of nice source material for general diplomatic stupidity between our nations for ages to come.
I am slightly surprised that speculation hasn’t really seemed to include suicide/murder-suicide, granted by quite an unfathomably strange method.
I am slightly surprised that speculation hasn’t really seemed to include suicide/murder-suicide, granted by quite an unfathomably strange method.
First reports were of Fentanyl poisoning.
This would be my method of suicide, one pill and bye bye.
If so, they were sold duds.
Anyway, no note, there’s almost always a note, (except when the suicide is someone connected to US intelligence.)
I noted the anniversary of the son/brother’s death, she might have been delayed by the snow in arriving and then there was an attempted double suicide. Pure speculation but a legitimate theory. Interesting if she did work at the US Embassy.
“PepsiCo confirmed with the BBC Russian service that Ms Skripal had not worked for them since at least 2016.”
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Aha, so she was regularly in contact with a hazardous substance.
Is there no Russian journalist who followed up those family allegations and found out even the name of the boyfriend (the man in the black Range Rover who moved in with her from an exclusive area of Moscow) or his evil mother? That story came out on March 14th on mashtv, it’s been a week now.
Eddie Mair takes up Caig’s point…..”of a type developed by Russia” on PM,,,no pooh poohing, Maybe the BBC has risen to the bait ?
I was glad to hear that pretty even-handed piece from Mair. Always struck me as a man of decency and some wit, a real antidote to the Vines and Robinsons of the BBC News throng. Was disappointing to see him slide into a general acquiescence with regard to the increasingly narrative- and agenda-driven output as the Tories got their feet under the table post 2010.
Worth a listen on iplayer if you missed it Craig.
Feels very much like the UK is a setting up another chemical attack by terrorists in syria to blame Assad and justify strikes
Didn’t see this in my papers did we :-
http://tass.com/world/986571
S. Seems so. The White Helmets group supporting the rebels/terrorists was founded by a British officer. Foundation in Netherlands linked to it. Some suggest this group assists in orchestrating the chem attacks and then getting the pr spin out to global media.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Helmets_(Syrian_Civil_War)