There Is Another England 1079

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Given the centuries of economic exploitation, political domination and depopulation, I perfectly understand why many Scots support any team at the World Cup which is playing England. But, with an English mother and two English grandparents who largely brought me up, I do not feel that way and I raised a glass at Harry Kane’s late winner. Let me tell you why.

My grandfather Henry was a lifelong socialist who had no illusions about the British Empire and its role in the World. Yet he was also a patriotic Englishman whose life, like so many of his generation, was largely defined by the struggle against Nazism, in which his only son had been killed. That focus on the Second World War partly explained his fondness for the Soviet Union, in discussing the abuses of which he would always remark “But you have to consider what came before. Given where they started, they are making progress”. He would recite “A man’s a man for a’that” to me as a small child and explain its meaning. Yet Henry would fly his St George’s flag proudly when occasion warranted it. I do not therefore automatically associate that flag with UKIP or with Essex man.

Because there is another England, that from which Henry sprang, the England documented lovingly by E P Thomson and vividly recorded by Robert Tressell, the England of William Hazlitt, Mary Wollstonecraft, the Putney debates and Thomas Paine. Michael Foot embodied the inherited wisdom of that tradition and it has re-emerged with unexpected vigour in the shape of Jeremy Corbyn, a man whose attraction lies in the very fact he encapsulates notions of basic decency that the English political elite had attempted to cast off.

I regard Scottish Independence as part of the continuing process of decolonisation. Ireland’s population will in the next decade overtake Scotland’s for the first time in centuries, and as of today Ireland’s GDP per capita stands 25% higher. Scotland can never achieve its potential without first achieving its Independence. But we can do that without wishing ill to our neighbours; some of them are quite nice.

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  • Anon1

    Republican officials now being forced to leave restaurants as the liberal mob hysteria in the US reaches fever pitch.

    Ok, so PJW might not be everyone’s cup of tea but this is an absolute belter:

    https://youtu.be/My5TGYvJHbA

  • screaminkid

    Yes, Totally agree. I deplore this ‘Hate’ that many feel towards those who don’t agree with them. Many English are decent people and do not go down the Tory road of money & false privilege & class. Most of us have English ancestors somewhere along the line and if they and the Scots and Irish in my ancestry, didn’t pass down their beliefs in decency and basic respect for others , no matter their colour or heritage, I would not have them now. We need to remember this and continue the narrative of RESPECT.

    • giyane

      The narrative of respect.

      Complete Works
      Home | Alphabetical Index | Chronological Index

      A Man’s A Man For A’ That 1795

      Ye see yon birkie, ca’d a lord,
      Wha struts, an’ stares, an’ a’ that;
      Tho’ hundreds worship at his word,
      He’s but a coof for a’ that:
      For a’ that, an’ a’ that,
      His ribband, star, an’ a’ that:
      The man o’ independent mind
      He looks an’ laughs at a’ that.

      Thanks Craig for bringing my attention to this poem. My knowledge of Burns was limited to my luve is like a red red rose just newly blown.. soppy, sentimental, Romantic silliness.

      Apparently Birmingham is the UK’s gun-crime capital, and London, knife-crime. I am working for a man whose experience of prison has left him with a very clear understanding who creates climates of violence, uses them to oppress the poor, uses them to colonise other lands, uses them to crush independent thinking and uses them to re-mould their societies in the mould that is conducive to USUKIS global hegemony.

      This is particularly relevant for this second of time when Russia has resumed bombing the foot-slaves of the USUKIS empire in Syria, and the false calculators are trashing popular opposition to Islamist, friend of Mrs May and Boris Johnson , war-criminal and dictator Erdogan. Islamism is at the top a freemasonry of self-serving political scum-bags who inflict war and terror on Muslim populations for their sister freemasonry of USUKIS hegemony.

      Any attempt by the wearers of Chinese, mass-produced, fake tartans i.e. fake Muslims who use the good name of Islam to profiteer by prostituting themselves to USUKIS would-be global hegemony, should read these lines from Burns poem. For the uneducated like me a birkie is a conceited person and a coof is a fool.

      I know it’s hard to believe that Tories would actually poison the green vegetation of this sceptred isle by Jetstream defoliants like Vietnam, or unnecessarily create austerity to crush the aspirations of its people, or supply guns and knives deliberately to flood the country’ first and second cities with weapons, or crash the economy out of a tariff -free relationship with our nearest and dearest neighbours who share our borders and language forms.

      Only the scarecrow Theresa May could interpret a referendum on belonging to the undemocratic institution of the EU as a green light for making war and division with our next door neighbours. It’s like I put up a wooden fence between my garden and the neighbours so their dog can’t come and wee on my tomatoes, so they erect a massive barricade from old pallets and bedsteads, taking all light away from my tomatoes, which the council eventually has to remove by court order.

      Liam Fox is a birkie and a coof to scupper centuries of diplomacy with cheap threats to the EU. This country is absolutely fed up with the antics of this alt-right regime which was imposed on us by arch-prick Clegg in 2010, and which has fiddled itself into power like Erdogan ever since. The Tories have to go, and their little tin–pot dictator ion the Middle East Erdogan also has to go. The blog troll, Bostick, also has to go.

  • quasi_verbatim

    With Parliament being sunk into trough-feeding atrophy, the stupor of irrelevance and the torpor of impending dissolution we can be grateful for deliverance from the Jaws of Anarchy by May’s New Executive Hegemony.

    So yesterday you all marched to the Field of Bannockburn and marched right back again, without UDI? A touch of the Grand Old Duke there, and Dominic the Dupe. I suspect Quisling’s influence.

  • Sharp Ears

    Janner’s daughter issues a warning to Trump.

    UK rabbi warns of genocide risk in Trump policies
    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/jun/23/british-rabbi-trump-immigration-policy-like-genocide-theresa-may-visit
    23rd June 2018

    ‘A leading British rabbi draws a chilling parallel between Donald Trump’s policies on immigration – which have seen thousands of children separated from their parents on the US border with Mexico – and historical trends that have led to genocide, as pressure grows on Theresa May to denounce the US president’s approach on his UK visit next month.’

    Somewhat OTT. If Janner had been my father, I would stay out of the public life and would certainly avoid commenting about the plight of children.

    • giyane

      Nobody is responsible for the crimes of their parents and indeed most offspring take a directly opposite direction to their parents. What led her to look into her religion? Maybe whatever it was will lead her to question further and she might end up in another religion.

      My local mosque invited me back with carefully moderated wisdom during Ramadhan by saying that nobody is in a position to criticise another person’s sincerity because we don’t even know if our own is accepted by Allah. But after Ramadhan they are sliding back into the status quo of using the Qur’an to support the monstrosity of Islamist terrorism. I’m not one to be soft-soaped into anything.

      Quasi Verbatim

      Dominic the dupe has established the principle of parliamentary sovereignty. In life , it is often enough to simply establish the truth, so that when the full catastrophe predicted by the honest people eventually dawns on the hoards of dupes, they can express their anger at being duped by voting against the person who lied to them to get them on their side. The Tories will take the country to the brink of catastrophe, just for the hell of it and to see if they can get cake and eat it. We all know the EU will not budge, all that is except the total gambling casineers of the Tory Alt-Right.

      • Sharp Ears

        She and her brother defended their father. According to them. he was innocent. They were all over the media at the time and when he died.

        • giyane

          Yes , probably, but should one always follow lizards into their holes?

          The idea of Trump deliberately encarcerating children when refugees are famous for obscuring their real identities seems utterly bonkers and appalling. I can’t remember my passwords without writing them down, so how could these refugees ever trace their real parents. This seems to me to be a white supremacist US deliberately targeting the common problem of lying about identity in a wholly unpleasant and inappropriate way.

          Yes that might get the racist vote in the US, but Trump will not be able to visit the UK until and unless he addresses this criminal callousness towards families, coming on top of his criminal excuses for white supremacist violence. He should be denied a visa to visit the UK or if May gives him a visa, she should be held just as responsible as him for encarcerating children and farming them out to strangers. It is an utterly repellent way to behave and it should not be allowed or condoned.

          Trump has crossed the red line of Fascism by separating children from their families and the UK should make it absolutely plain that we will not have him on our soil.

  • Goatboy

    Anybody seen this.

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-religion-brothels/in-age-of-trump-evangelicals-back-self-styled-top-u-s-pimp-idUSKBN1JI1A9

    Grasping at straws these Americans. I actually favour legalising brothels and most drugs in order to regulate and focus on public health but I wouldn’t vote for a yee-haw with his hands up some broads skirt every other day.

    America needs to fix its system of voting and remove the money. It’ll take some kind of revolution before the ruling class let that happen though.

    Anyway, cartoon America keeps getting more lewd and unbelievable by the minute. They are on the slide. Won’t be long now.

    • glenn_nl

      Yes, I heard about that during the week. It’s the famous “Bunny Ranch” where Trump’s favourite person on Fox News – a rather stupid jerk called Sean Hannity – had his picture taken with some of the sex workers there.

      Can you imagine the shrieks of outrage, if the Democrats carried on like this? The religious right in America are utter hypocrites of the first order.

  • giyane

    “I made her and I can break her.”
    Silly comment by minor Tory faun Gavin Williamson.

    • Republicofscotland

      Giyane.

      Not that I’m defending Williamson, he’s a loud mouthed balloon, however isn’t the comment alledged by the Daily Mail? A notoriously untrustworthy right wing rag.

      • Jack

        May should sack him, god knows that he tries to pull next, but here we have the naked truth about the military hawks, they demand more and more money and that is through blackmailing apparently!

        • Republicofscotland

          Well Jack Theresa May created a rod for her own back when she bunged the DUP. Her position is so precarious, that the MoD feel they can pressure her into giving them a branch from the magic money tree.

          Of course it’s all really just bluff and bluster, the Tories squabble and fight among themselves but the party comes before anything else. So no I very much doubt any Tory will help bring the government down, if they don’t get their way.

  • Republicofscotland

    Meanwhile I’m inclined to agree with Anon1, that Putin has rigged the World Cup, but not for Russia to win, but for England to win.

    Looking at the replay of the award for the penalty of the second England goal, where the England player handled the ball in the box, and the replay clearly showed there was no foul by the Panama defenders. Leads me to believe that Anon1 is correct, it’s just that he’s gotten his teams mixed up. ?

    However that incident aside, I’d say England are playing very well, against mediocre opposition, and look like they’ll cruise into the last sixteen.

    • Jack

      Its ridiculous, some old geezers, drunk saying some stupid stuff, no need for this witch hunt.

      • Republicofscotland

        Indeed Jack Boris Johnson’s witch hunt allegations against Putin, (of whom I’m no fan of) were ridiculous on the Salisbury fiasco.

        Oh you mean the behaviour of some England’s I presume? Well, I’m sure if the shoe was on the other foot the BBC would be all over it – wouldn’t you agree?

  • Trowbridge H. Ford

    Looks like Craig has passed out, raising glasses for Harry Kane et al.’s goals against hapless Panama.

    Quantity rarely constitutes quality.

  • Sharp Ears

    NOT the Jonathan Freedland of the Guardian!

    ‘Netflix boss apologises to staff after executive sacked over N-word
    Reed Hastings vows to ‘set a better example’ in memo regretting PR chief’s racial slur
    23 Jun 2018
    The head of Netflix has told his staff he needs to “set a better example” after sacking the company’s head of communications for twice using the N-word during work meetings.

    Reed Hastings, the video streaming company’s founder, told staff in a memo he had decided to “let go” of Jonathan Friedland for using the racial slur in a “descriptive” sense.

    Friedland, a former journalist who joined Netflix in 2011, first used the word several months ago during a discussion about offensive words in comedy, and again a few days later during a conversation with two black colleagues.’

    https://www.theguardian.com/media/2018/jun/22/netflix-chief-of-communications-leaving-after-reports-of-using-n-word

    • giyane

      A PR manager who tries to camouflage their racism under the adjective ‘ descriptive ‘, tells you all you need to know about managers’ attitudes to employees these days. Sure I’ve come across black managers who have the same callous sense of superiority towards me because of their position. Managers today think they have climbed through a glass ceiling from where they can disrespect us all. This kind of arrogance always gets them the sack because it’s totally unacceptable, whatever shade their skin is or whatever shade of the rainbow their politics. It’s bloody rude of any manager to treat the people under them as if they were inferior to them in any way.

  • Trowbridge H. Ford

    And yes, sober me, likes Putin for standing up against Western aggression all around.

    The World Cup shows he is a good guy when the world plays fair.

    • Sharp Ears

      British fans, when interviewed, all say how friendly the Russians are towards them and how they have been welcomed. So surprised. Just shows how much anti Russian propaganda has been put out over recent decades.

      • Trowbridge H. Ford

        It was much more than anti-Russian propaganda, Sharp Ears.

        In 1982-3 during Sweden’s defensive maneuvers NOTWART, John Lehman’s US Navy had its submariners play the role of Soviet intruders, resulting in the sinking of the USS Batfish and USS Puffer.

        Now to hide the whole fiasco which ultimately resulted in Statsminister Olof Palme being assassinated in revenge, and it made to look by the National Geographic as the surprise finding of the remains of the Titanic in 1985 when oceanographer Richard Ballard was looking for the remains of these subs instead of the Navy’s claims that he was looking for the long-found remains of the USS Scorpion and Thresher.

        The result was throwing in the sponge when it was the USSR trying to keep up with the power-made Yanks.

        Since the disappearance of the USSR, Washington has tried to finish Russia off by instigating domestic assassinations, expanding NATO around its borders, and starting aggresssive wars in Georgia, the Ukraine, and elsewhere.

        The USA is the biggest terrorist organization on the globe.

        • IrishU

          What nonsense. Totally deranged and unsubstianted nonsense. Talk about straying off topic…

      • Kempe

        The violent attacks by Russian “ultras” in Marseille back in 2016 must be a figment of my imagination then.

        After celebrating their aggression back in 2016 your man in the Kremlin has realised the potential damage to Russia’s reputation and ordered a crackdown. Let’s hope it holds.

        • Trowbridge H. Ford

          Still nothing about the Royal Navy involvement in the NOTVART incident where NATO submarines played the role of Soviet intruders. Will start posting what Tunander wrote about it if you continue to play dumb.

          Much more important that Russian thugs’ battle with English troublemakers in Marselle in 2016 which was contained by European police and opposed by Putin.

          • Paul Barbara

            @ Trowbridge H. Ford June 24, 2018 at 23:06
            Oh, I see. The Russians were ‘thugs’, but the English just ‘troublemakers’.

          • laguerre

            I don’t think he’s differentiating, PB, just another word for the same thing.

      • Jo

        Yes SE, it’s quite amusing listening to BBC people reporting that English fans say how friendly people are. They sound so disappointed!

  • Sharp Ears

    Next Sunday on the Marr Show, there is a heady mix –

    Simon Stevens, CE NHS England 1.4.2014 to date, ex United Health, USA 2004-14 [From 2004 to 2006 Stevens was president of UnitedHealth Europe and moved on to be chief executive officer of UnitedHealthcare Medicare & Retirement and then president, Global Health, and UnitedHealth Group executive vice president of UnitedHealth Group. During this time he also served on the boards of various non-profits, including the King’s Fund; the Nuffield Trust; the Minnesota Historical Society; the Minnesota Opera; the Medicare Rights Center (New York); and the Commonwealth Fund]

    Madeleine Albright, ex Secretary of State USA 1997-2001 ‘The price is worth it’ -ref the death of Iraqi children by sanctions
    ‘On May 12, 1996, Albright defended UN sanctions against Iraq on a 60 Minutes segment in which Lesley Stahl asked her “We have heard that half a million children have died. I mean, that’s more children than died in Hiroshima. And, you know, is the price worth it?” and Albright replied, “We think the price is worth it.” ‘

    Martina Navratilova, ex Wimbledon Singles Champion, nine times and now married to an ex Miss USSR, Julia Lemigova.

    • giyane

      Allbright will get her chance to redeem herself by feigning shock at the encarceration of children by Trump.
      War criminals always wonder why however many times they try to apologise they can never rehabilitate themselves in the public eye. The Zionists have tried to suppress Islam by brain-washing Muslims through torture-rendition and chemical psychotic drugs in order to represent Islam as uncivilised. So much so that they feel that they can now be extremely uncivilised themselves without losing popularity.

      This is a continuation of Nazism under different name, the current Nazism now being conducted by the very same countries who fought Nazism in two world wars. It falls to Russia and China to destroy the neo-Nazis, Trump, May, Macron, Merkel, Erdogan and they will only be able to do this if they have Islam on their side, and they are currently in league with the neo-Nazis, trashing Muslim countries for the Hitlers of our age.

      • Iain Stewart

        “the very same countries who fought Nazism in two world wars.”
        Missed one of those, I must have nodded off, sorry. So who won?

        • joeblogs

          Iain:
          Obtuse misdirection from yourself – now a quote to put you right – ‘you have all been behaving like fools’.
          Alfred Noyes (author) The Edge of the Abyss, pub. 1942.
          They need their ‘useful idiots’ like you to succeed.

  • Brianfujisan

    Was doon the coast today at a favourite wee spot near Largs.

    no clouds in the sky.

    I was watching Teeny Butterflies
    Wee Birds, and Big Birds, and Birds that Dive into the water

    Wee Boats like Kyaks, And big boats that ferry people to Isle of Bute

    We went into Morrisons on way home.. And I found mydelf thinking.. We can just walk in here, and buy water on a hot day.. or a mountan of choice of Food, just walk in and there it all is.. I was comparing our existence to that of the Carnage we ( uk ) are causing the children of Palestine, The Children Of Yemen, Syria. Libya, Iraq.

    I can’t shut my mind off at times

  • shugsrug

    It is all very well the Tory party offering a further payment to the NHS. What we really need to know is how much of that will be paid to Hunt and his private health pals. I hate to think how much will be going to Virgin, or some other private provider.

    • Republicofscotland

      “It is all very well the Tory party offering a further payment to the NHS. ”

      They’re not offering anything, the magic money tree has withered away, there’s no Brexit Dividend, the money will come from tax rises or increased borrowing, either way you’ll be paying for it.

      As for Virgin, I’m pretty sure Branson already has his claws deep into a few NHS contracts worth millions. I for one wouldn’t bet against him landing further lucrative NHS contracts in the future.

  • Sharp Ears

    Could you make this up?

    ‘Cover-up? Twitter reacts to report that UK government will buy Skripal’s house
    24 Jun 2018 | 15:32 GMT

    The house of Sergei Skripal will be purchased by UK taxpayers, according to officials cited by The Sunday Times. The move has prompted a range of responses online – from cover-up allegations to jokes about home ownership.

    Taxpayers will be footing the bill for Skripal’s home, which is expected to be bought by the UK government for around £350,000 (US$464,000), The Sunday Times reported, citing Whitehall officials. They will also pay for the home of Detective Sergeant Nick Bailey, who fell ill after coming into contact with the nerve agent Novichok. That house is expected to cost taxpayers around £430,000. All in all, the purchase of both homes, cars, and other possessions, will amount to a hefty £1 million.’

    /..
    https://www.rt.com/uk/430733-uk-taxpayers-skripal-house/

    PS. We are always being told that there is NO money.

    • Kempe

      ” UK government will buy Skripal’s house ”

      Well; would you want to live in it?

    • Republicofscotland

      I’d imagine the house is already owned by the British state, a kind of safe house, where ex-Russian agents et al can nestle in and be monitored in relative safety. You can be sure there are many such houses up and down the length of Britian some in use, and some waiting to be used on a nod by Whitehall.

      I’d also imagine the money wil be taken from the taxpayer to fund another venture by Whitehall.

      • giyane

        RoS

        Whitehall.

        When I frequented the over-pigeoned, over-policed precincts of Whitehall the Foreign Office was run from three multi storey office towers down the road. Whitehall may have a few pin-striped gits male or female in bowler hats for the tourists, but how dare you cast aspersions on the impeccable integrity of British spies? All in the best of all possible tastes, he said, crossing his legs in a funny way exposing his knickers to the world. Kenny Everett, where are you now, just when we need our po-faced arsehole politicians taking down a peg or few?

      • IrishU

        Of purchasing houses and possessions after an attack?

        If that was your question, then yes. There are numerous precedents in Northern Ireland where houses of those under threat from republicans or loyalists were purchased by the Northern Ireland Office (NIO) and the individual (s) were then re-located. It was called the Scheme for the Purchase of Evacuated Dwellings (SPED), I am not sure if that is its current name.

    • Jo Dominich

      Ah yes, the vanishing Nick Bailey. Still not yet been seen after the fiasco and lies.

      • Anon1

        The kites have been used to set fire to thousands of acres of Israeli land, destroying agriculture and burning innocent animals to death.

        But now the IDF has developed a new drone armed with a knife that cuts the string of the kite before it can reach Israel, causing the kite to crash and burn the Palestinians’ own land !

        Like I said, it’s time to give up and go home.

        • Brianfujisan

          Fuckin Disgusting Anon 1

          The kites have been used to set fire to thousands of acres of Israeli land, destroying agriculture and burning innocent animals to death.

          • Brianfujisan

            Fuckin Disgusting Anon 1..You Racist ..`.Anti Palestine

            The kites have been used to set fire to thousands of acres of Israeli land, destroying agriculture and burning innocent animals to death. your Lies are so visible

          • Anon1

            Yes it’s absolutely disgusting Brian. I try to explain this but I just get some bullshit from Jonathan Cook about “retaking the skies” with bits of burning paper.

          • SA

            The mythical story is an answer to the known facts of uprooting Palestinian olive trees and burning people alive then quitting the murderers and then celebrating and boasting openly.

        • giyane

          Drones armed with knives …

          What kind of world deploys zillions of dollars of propaganda against Islam every day, and yet cannot sit down and negotiate a humanitarian settlement in Palestine?

          • Anon1

            There will be peace when the Arabs learn to love their own sons and daughters more than they hate Israel.

          • joeblogs

            re:anon1
            Just substitute ‘NAZI’ for ‘Israeli’ in his pathetically poorly informed rants and his meaning is clear.
            Change IDF uniforms for SS and again the meaning becomes clear.
            If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck and swims like a duck – then it is a duck, no matter how anon1 chooses to put lipstick on it’s beak, and tries to represent the truth as Marilyn Monroe.

        • Jo Dominich

          Anon1 – using kites is not quite the same thing as the massacre of 122 and thousands more Palestinians is it?

          • Paul Barbara

            @ Jo Dominich June 25, 2018 at 08:57
            Don’t hold your breath for a reply – Anon1 tends to ignore posts and questions that clearly put the ‘Exceptionals’ in a ‘bad light’ (or better, points to them being the inhuman War Criminals they are).
            Snipers? Exploding bullets? Anon1 ignores the post/question. And of course he’s not the only one.

          • Anon1

            The reason I ignored it is because it has already been answered. Don’t attack Israeli forces and you won’t get killed. It’s very simple.

          • Paul Barbara

            @ Anon1 June 25, 2018 at 11:03
            So what about the medics and press who have been shot by snipers? Where they ‘attacking I**aeli forces’?
            Were families who died when their houses were shelled or bombed ‘attacking I**aeli forces’?
            Do you approve of the use of illegal expanding or explosive bullets by the snipers?
            Many of those injured or killed were a long way from the fence, and not posing any immediate threat to the ‘I**aeli Forces’, who are legitimate targets anyway as they are an army of occupation, and run by a regime that has ignored many UN resolutions to return to the pre-Six-Day War borders.
            And do you approve of the imprisonment and torture of children and others, and of recurring ‘Administrative Detentions’?

        • Macky

          I wonder if Anon concurs; ‘Israel’s public security minister Gilad Erdan called last week for anyone flying a kite, even young children, to be shot.’

  • Paul Barbara

    I consider these kites and balloons, as well as rockets, to be absolutely counter-productive, futile and self-defeating.
    Indeed, I believe I**ael has reduced the amount of medical helium allowed into Gaza.
    I further believe that the Hamas members who encourage such behaviour could well be I**aeli agent provocateurs, Palestinian but in the pay of I**ael. as in the case of the planner of the Achille Lauro hijacking. Cui bono.

      • Paul Barbara

        @ Brianfujisan June 25, 2018 at 03:32
        I’m fully aware of the snipers, and I am not saying the Palestinians don’t have a legitimate right to respond.
        But my post was clear and unambiguous; responding with kites and balloons is counter-productive, and I’m sure is welcomed, and probably instigated, by the ‘other side’.
        It is hardly going to curb the snipers, or airstrikes, but to increase them.

        • Sharp Ears

          Tell us what other forms of resistance the 1.91m Palestinians have, trapped as they are in the Gaza ghetto which measures 140 sq miles.

          In Greater London, 8.5m people occupy 605 sq miles and are fully serviced with water, electricity, sewage and food.

    • Antonyl

      Same story here (and @ the Guardian) for those hammering on kids health only regarding Israel or Trump, never on ISIS-Syria, Yemen, Pakistan etc. Counterproductive – agent provocateurs. Cui bono?

      • SA

        Antonyl
        There have been many discussions about IS (Daesh), Al Qaeda in Syria and Syria in general in this blog site. There have admittedly been less comments about Yemen and the Rohyngas and others admittedly. There has been a lot of recent comments on Gaza because of the one sided and constant atrocities committed by one side and defended by the ‘free world’ and the ‘interbational community because many in this website support the Palestinian cause. There is nothing wrong with that. Now if you want to counterbalance this I suggest there is a fertile field and an open goal for you. But I just have a sneaking feeling that your motive is not to achieve wider exposure of wrongs in other places, rather to try and distract and deflect and protect a certain state practicing apartheid against the Palestinians. You are welcome to prove me wrong.

    • giyane

      Paul Barbara

      It’s taboo to discuss torture rendition brainwashing on this blog. Our side could not possibly be so evil as to torture brainwash their own special forces, could they? It goes absolutely without saying that us pucker British chaps could illegally capture, illegally torture, illegally chemically brainwash, and recruit the ‘enemy’ to fight for us. And yet Ansar al Islam is fighting for Israel against Assad’s Muslim armies north of the Golan.

      Obviously they woke up one morning and decided the Zionist God was better equipped and closer to the truth than the Muslim God, and Israel was a poor , defenceless victim of world antisemitism which they would oppose. Obviously the UK Minister Pritti Patel was already getting UK funding for Al Qaida in the Golan, so why not fight on the diplomatically higher side?

      We highly superior Brits would never do such a nasty Nazi thing as to use chemicals and torture to programme an army of Frankinstein monsters. Even the word rendition is used in the meat trade to boild down and clean the meat off animal bones. Our high-minded and ethically pure governments would never use a word that means strip bones clean to describe the wiping out of Muslims’ education and primary loyalties.

      Anybody who did raise the subject would clearly be off his/her tiny mind. I have never had a single reply to my explanation of what the British government means by ‘rendition’, even though it is a subject dear to the heart of this blog. It just doesn’t do to use the R word except of course in the context that rendition merely means flying people secretly and against their will to dangerous destinations. I’m off to the smallest room in the house old boy. I don’t suppose you could lend me a couple of bob? British under-statement suits us fine.

        • giyane

          I’ve got quite a long list of taboo subjects on CM blog. maybe I should get them all off my chest and do a series.

          • giyane

            Oh yes, remember last week they were yakking on about the ultra-rich buying immortality by getting their DNA programmed so that they could programme their DNA into someone else’s unrequired living carcase/s. Obviously they’d have to be changed from time to time.

            And yet those self-same billionaires would never accept that God could recreate them on the Day of Judgement using similar, somewhat less destructive means i.e not bumping off the pile of live body donors needed to get them through to the end of time. Nor would those billionaire autophiles comprehend that the centre of the human’s conscience lies in the heart not the brain, and that refusal to recognise the Creator who fashioned us in the darknesses of our mother’s wombs will be considered a punishable crime.

            Completely taboo topic. let’s stick to the world cup where the winners are the good guys, and the bad guys , the Russians, have temporarily redeemed themselves of all their fictional crimes.

  • quasi_verbatim

    Those paying attention to events within the European Union will understand that a hard crashout Brexit is now inevitable, not as one arranged by our own Brexit monkeys but as one imposed by the Union itself in its own interests and for its own security and preservation.

    • laguerre

      It’s the “Brexit monkeys” who are threatening to crash out on a no-deal exit, but you pretend it’s the reverse. ‘Black is White’. The extreme Right always use Orwell’s ‘1984’ as their operating manual.

      • Jo Dominich

        Laguerre, you are right. The Brexiteers (at least the most extreme amongst them) will blame the EU. However, the EU are absolutely correct in what they are saying and they have a clear knowledge about the parameters of the negotiations. It is our Govt who are making or have made the No Deal crashout because Treason May cannot control her own party and the only thing they are interested in is Power, staying in power. So a Brexit deal that would have been good for the Nation and the people has been sacrificed to the alter of Tory Hubris, lust for Power and Gross Incompetence.

        • giyane

          Treason May is motivated by a psychotic feminism which wants all things male and patriarchal to disintegrate and fail. The Queen is of similar mind, but must obviously adhere to disliked protocols in order to stay in power. You can’t accuse the Queen of treason against herself even if it might strictly be true, but we should identify Theresa May as the sole inventor of the disaster that is Hard Brexit. Her ideas, her ideology, her wooden clog in the machine of governance, her childhood rage against all things masculine.

          I’m still not sure if you can call it treason when it is childish petulance. Definitely the Brexit monkeys who are assisting her childish tantrums against the interests of the British people are guilty of treason. They are assisting a person who needs psychological therapy in her diminished responsibility criminal malice, in order to grab as much power for themselves at the expense of the British people.

          Shakespeare’s Richard II was bonkers; Bushy Bagot and Green, traitors. Where is the Henry Bolingbroke of our times ? Jeremy Corbyn is not the Duke of Lancaster we so desperately need.

          T

      • Loony

        In the event that you have an interest in the “extreme right” then it is likely that Ukraine can sate you interest.

        That would be the very same Ukraine whose government came to power via an illegal coup and whose freedom of action is severely limited by its reliance on the Right Sector. These are people who among other things venerate Stepan Bandera – an actual Nazi collaborator, and sometimes march around dressed in SS Uniforms.

        Whether you are interested in illegal coups by the the far right and Nazi’s I do not know. However I know with absolute certainty that the EU are interested in them. How else to explain the 2.8 billion euros advanced to Ukraine since 2014.

        Next up you might want to compare and contrast the terms of EU loans to Ukraine with the those provided to Greece. See if you can work out which set of loans are the most onerous.

        • SA

          Loony
          You sometimes speak a lot of sense but you should balance this by the fact that the Brexiters are not really breaking free from the overarching globalist exploitative system, they just wish to have more direct control of it for their own personal gain.

    • Nevermind, Duke of Doggerland

      There are some 200 permanent staff in the EU working on our wish to leave the EU, our wish to have all the benefits, keep access to the markets at our own terms, our ‘best possible deal for the UK’, and what do we do?
      We appoint ardent anti EU advocates to lead the negotiations, obfuscate, deliberately, pretend that all will be well under WTO rules nobody is used to, especially not our farmers, just at a time when Trup burns all the trade rule books and makes the WTO unworkable.

      This Government thinks that it can successfully eyewash the public with utter nothingness. It speaks warmly of the Commonwealth countries it so neglected whilst in love with the EU markets, but many of them have their very own access to the EU and want to carry on trading with the most lucrative consumer market in the world, why would they want to jeopardise this by trading with a country that does not want to keep to its past commitments? How would this lack of trust be overcome? when the only way we know are past threats and arm twisting?

      The Tory’s are taking this country down, they are busting open the union, but still there are voices who scream for more, who create artificial and dangerous meme’s to bamboozle us, until there is no return and without this so called democracy having a chance to judge the bad work and wasted time of this Government.

      Rejoice in going back in time, I could not possibly join in.

      • Jo Dominich

        Nevermind, wholeheartedly agree with you. The Tory’s are aided and abetted by the rabidly right wing MSM who are also rabidly anti-EU. I read a blog in which someone had posted how leaving the EU would ‘bring back our once great nation’ – which I would call seriously deluded thinking. Just like the Leave Brexit campaign, the propaganda still being trotted out is still lies in the majority, scaremongering and jingoistic. It seems to me that the relevant views of international economists, a dire economic forecast for the UK in terms of a falling pound, falling manufacturing output, a real crisis in our high streets leading to large retailers closing stores, Airbus about to leave the UK and probably the Japanese car industry too – is being ignored just to push the ‘we’ll be better off on our own’ agenda and ‘f**k the EU. The Brexit negotiators, BoJo, Moggie , Davies and Treason haven’t got a clue what they are negotiating and are also guilty of ignoring and sweeping aside important economic data and forecasts. There can be no doubt that Brexit is going to have a profound effect on the British economy in a negative way and this Govt hasn’t got a clue about managing this in the future. At least Corbyn is talking about Keynsian style investment to re-stimulate the economy – what are the Tory’s talking about? Nothing. We are going to be left with a Trade Deal with the USA that will see jobs lost here in the UK and created in the USA. What an absolute mess. I am sure a lot of people who voted for Brexit did not envision this shambles.

  • jazza

    Unlawful england:

    As we reported on UK Column News last week, Melanie Shaw was not released from prison on 2nd June as expected. She has apparently been put back on remand for an unknown “offence” allegedly committed while she was being brutalised in HMP Style. We believe the intention is to keep her as far away from the “independent” child abuse inquiry as possible.

    In an effort to raise awareness of Melanie’s case, and the abuse she has sought to expose since 2011, we have made postcards available with the artwork of Ned Pamphilon on the front side, and space on the back to write a personal message to your MP, councillors, the corporate media, the “independent” child abuse inquiry or any other person you feel needs to know.

    We think that real, physical, handwritten messages have much higher impact that a Tweet, Facebook message or email.

  • SA

    It seems that the official name for the health secretary in the BBC is the popular one starting with a c rather than an h.
    Justin Webb 7:40 on today had to repeat name.

  • Republicofscotland

    So Labour will not change their stance on Trident, despite Jeremy Corbyn voting against the renewal.

    I have to give credit to the Labour leader for voting against the retaining of WMD’s. However, it’s a clear cut example of how Corbyn’s sway over the party can be negated, or ignored if you like.

    The party’s policy on Trident hasn’t changed, which is predicted to cost the taxpayer £31 billion pounds, with an extra £10 billion set aside as a contingency fund.

    In my opinion, the Commons which voted overal to back the renewal of Trident, (whilst the NHS, crumbles under ever increasing pressure), is caught up in the yesteryear notion of Britain especially London, of still, being some sort of global power, and Trident is their pseudo-phallic symbol of just how potent, the empire can, and will be again.

  • jazza

    unlawful england:
    Julian Assange still in ‘solitary confinement’ without trial in dear ole’blighty

  • jazza

    unlawful england:

    what has happened to the Hillsborough criminal trials?

    How many police have been charged/arrested following them shooting/killing prisoners in england?

    How many police have been charged/arrested following them shooting people anywhere in englnd?

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