Detente Bad, Cold War Good 1634


The entire “liberal” media and political establishment of the Western world reveals its militarist, authoritarian soul today with the screaming and hysterical attacks on the very prospect of detente with Russia. Peace apparently is a terrible thing; a renewed arms race, with quite literally trillions of dollars pumped into the military industrial complex and hundreds of thousands dying in proxy wars, is apparently the “liberal” stance.

Political memories are short, but just 15 years after Iraq was destroyed and the chain reaction sent most of the Arab world back to the dark ages, it is now “treason” to question the word of the Western intelligence agencies, which deliberately and knowingly produced a fabric of lies on Iraqi WMD to justify that destruction.

It would be more rational for it to be treason for leaders to blindly accept the word of the intelligence services.

This is especially true on “Russia hacking the election” when, after three years of crazed accusations and millions of man hours by lawyers and CIA and FBI investigators, they are yet to produce any substantive evidence of accusations which are plainly nuts in the first place. This ridiculous circus has found a few facebook ads and indicted one Russian for every 100,000 man hours worked, for unspecified or minor actions which had no possible bearing on the election result.

There are in fact genuine acts of election rigging to investigate. In particular, the multiple actions of the DNC and Democratic Party establishment to rig the Primary against Bernie Sanders do have some very real documentary evidence to substantiate them, and that evidence is even public. Yet those real acts of election rigging are ignored and instead the huge investigation is focused on catching those who revealed Hillary’s election rigging. This gets even more absurd – the investigation then quite deliberately does not focus on catching whoever leaked Hillary’s election rigging, but instead seeks to prove that the Russians hacked Hillary’s election-rigging, which I can assure you they did not. Meanwhile, those of us who might help them with the truth if they were actually interested, are not questioned at all.

The Russophobic witch hunt has its first real life victim in 29 year old Maria Butina, whose life is to be destroyed for chatting up members of the NRA in order to increase Russian influence. With over 20 years of diplomatic experience, I can tell you that every country, including the UK and US, has bit part players of its own nationals who self-start in a country to make their way, and if they gain any traction are tapped by their national security service as potential “agents of influence”. I could name quite literally scores of such people, but have no desire to get anyone in trouble. The elevation of Butina into a huge threat and part of a gigantic plot, is to ignore the way the United States and the United Kingdom and indeed all major governments’ Embassies behave around the globe.

The war-hawks who were devastated by the loss of champion killer Hillary now see the prospect of their very worst fear coming true. Their very worst fear is the outbreak of peace and international treaties of arms control. Hence the media and political establishment today has reached peaks of hysteria never before seen. Pursuing peace is “treason” and the faux left now stand starkly exposed.


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  • Tony

    Project Fear is getting VERY desperate:

    https://news.sky.com/story/no-deal-brexit-would-see-uk-state-of-emergency-warns-dominic-grieve-11445199

    “Basic services that we take for granted might not be available.

    “It wouldn’t be possible, for example, for someone to fly to Rome because the overflying rights over the other countries of the EU are regulated by EU law.”

    Ah! not being able to fly to Rome (probably for less than a day, until special provisions are put in place) will trash the UK.

    “We wouldn’t get medicines in, this point has already been made. We’d be out of the medicines agency.”

    Er, yes we would, and we’d get them at a fraction of the price from marquee generics manufacturers in Asia than we’re currently paying ripoff Big Pharma.

    “And, there’d be difficulties bringing food into this country because of the number of regulatory checks that would take place.”

    Again, we won’t be buying food from the EU until they start playing ball. We’ll be buying it from the rest of the world which will be delighted to sell to us at far cheaper prices, you lying Globalist toadie, Grieve.

    You just couldn’t make remain’s nonsense up! Except that Dominic Grieve and the rest of his ilk on the Globalist gravy train make it up all day long.

    • Hatuey

      “we won’t be buying food from the EU until they start playing ball”

      I remember when I was a child I decided to go on a hunger strike to piss my parents off. It lasted about 2 hours.

      I’m wondering who would blink first in the scenario you describe…

      • Paul Barbara

        @ Hatuey July 23, 2018 at 00:01
        If we could survive the Blitz, we can survive outside the NWO EU.

        • Hatuey

          I am not sure that i am looking to merely survive. A few of us have the crazy idea that life ought to be pleasant rattling around in our empty heads… you’re not exactly selling this.

        • Murray Johnson

          “Brexit. Maybe only as bad as the Blitz”.

          That would’ve have looked good on the bus.

    • Jiusito

      How could food that had to be flown in from far overseas be cheaper than food that just had to be brought from the Continent by lorry? And how could it be waved through Customs with fewer checks than food coming from countries that currently have exactly the same standards as us? Your complacency makes no sense to me.

      • Paul Barbara

        @ Jiusito July 23, 2018 at 00:29
        Dairy and meat from Australia/New Zealand used to get here on a very cheap basis. If the EU puts high tariffs on stuff, they have to find new markets for it. Hopefully, the EU will fall apart at the seams, as it seems to be about to do in the not too distant future.
        Then Germany and France can trade between themselves, and we’ll get on just fine, thanks very much.
        How long before Italy, Spain and Portugal say sod this for a game of soldiers, and pull out (or get chucked out?).

    • Paul Barbara

      @ Tony July 22, 2018 at 21:18
      But what about all the drug dealers – how will they be able to afford Mercs if there is a tariff?
      Who can tell the difference between French wine and SA or Australian wine (apart from the price?).
      So we start up our own car plants – that should generate some jobs. And the EU can p*ss off out of our fishing areas, so our guys can get back to work.
      Swings and roundabouts – we win some, we lose some – same with the EU. A nice non-aggression pact with Russia after Jeremy gets in, and we can wind down our ‘defence’ budget (which has only been used for offence for donkey’s years, anyway).
      A serious problem would be May or whoever takes over the Tories may make ‘deals’ with the States that allow in GMO’s, chlorinated chicken, hormone-full beef and milk, etc. Those ‘deals’ will have to be abrogated. May cause a kerfuffle, but such is life.

    • SA

      It is not project fear it is a real possibility because we don’t have s functioning government or parliament. It has taken 2 years to exactly achieve nothing because most MPs on both sides of the house seem to be egoists who only care about themselves.

    • N_

      Tony, you need to get the idea of “Project Fear” out of your head. I realise you won’t do that just because I said so. But if you think the risk of catastrophe is all made up, then presumably you don’t think it all stems from one backbench MP, so what do you think the reason is?

      The gods of the Tory party have always been Thomas Malthus and Francis Galton.

    • Charles Bostock

      The examples you give are good ones – and far from the only ones you could have given.

      These sort of scare stories are probably being spread by those who are seeking to reverse the referendum decision. They all appear to rest on the premise that life outside the EU would be impossible and even catastrophic. This is of course a false premise and takes no account of the fact that there are European countries which manage to live quite well outside the EU (no food shortages, no shortages of medicine, etc, etc), that the UK managed to live quite well before entering the EU and that there are countries without special economic arrangements with the EU which also manage to make their way in the world quite well. Just as the entry of the UK into the then EEC was not the economic panacaea predicted by the Heathites, so leaving the EU is highly unlikely to produce the disruption and misery predicted by some of the more excitable Remainers. The truth is that we do not know exactly what the future will bring but that that future will in all probability not be radically different from the present, at least in economic terms and in terms of the present various forms of cooperation between the UK and the other EU-27 countries.

      Interesting times ahead, but not catastrophic ones whatever the outlnes of the final deal and even in the absence of any deal, I think.

      • StephenR

        Rees Mogg does know.

        “The benefits of leaving the EU may not materialise for 50 years”

        But hey, I’m rather hoping we do crash out, we will be doing the rest of the World a big favour by showing how costly it is to ignore ‘experts’.

    • Brendan

      Irish Taoiseach (PM) Leo Varadkar was called an airhead last week when he made the same claim (but it sounded more like a threat: “If they want their planes to fly over our sky, they would need to take that into account.”). Grieve repeated it just two days later.

      • FobosDeimos

        There is something called the Chicago Convention, signed in 1944, to which all countries in the world are parties. Under the Chicago Convention all countries must allow commercial airliners to cross their airspace safely. This has been working perfectly well for the past 74 years. For example, American airliners routinely flew over Cuba during the 45 years of no diplomatic relations between them .

    • MightyDrunken

      Firstly, no deal Brexit worries are very different from no EU worries. No deal, means that the arrangements we have with the EU are not in place any more and alternatives are possibly not ready yet. With no transition period we have only 1 year left. The extra customs checks for example will need a lot of planning, extra facilities and people. If we had been setting this up then there would be less reason to worry. However we appear to have done nothing to prepare for this eventuality, whether this means the MPs will balk or are just incompetent is unknown to me at his point.

      Tony you are complacent, your response speaks of total unthinking confirmation bias. Planes transport a lot more than people, many high value, urgent items are transported by plane. For certain products this could be a real pain in the ass.

      “Er, yes we would, and we’d get them at a fraction of the price from marquee generics manufacturers in Asia than we’re currently paying ripoff Big Pharma.” Medicines with patents would not be available as generics, some only come from Europe. The other problem would be the customs backlog.

      “Again, we won’t be buying food from the EU until they start playing ball. ” Again you miss the point, we don’t have to check the EU food as it follows the some regulations as ours. Food from elsewhere won’t and will require more checks.

      Most of these problems would be overcome by a competent administration putting in the effort to prepare for any problems. As I have seen very little of that I can’t deny these possibilities becoming real.

  • Sharp Ears

    The state broadcaster’s agenda on the vote to leave the EU is obvious.

    Earlier they had Major on Marr advocating a second referendum.. Since when has Major’s opinion been of any value?

    2nd Brexit vote ‘morally justified’ after ‘fantasy promises’ by leave campaigners – John Major
    https://www.rt.com/uk/433964-john-major-brexit-fantasy/

    Grieve has been over the visual MSM too. He was togged out in his best country gentleman’s gear. He ran a phone in on LBC yesterday. He is so overly polite and formal it is excruciating to listen to.

    ‘For the anti-Brexit side, Tory MP Dominic Grieve painted a dark picture of life with ‘no deal’, saying planes would not able to fly to Rome, medicines could run out and it would be difficult to get food into the UK.’

    https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/brexit-raab-marr-ridge-major_uk_5b547641e4b0de86f48ddfb7

    • Sharp Ears

      Sorry Tony. Went straight in and didn’t see yours, hence the repetition.

        • Ian

          If you think brexit is anything other than an excuse for a corporate takeover of the UK then you are deluded. Fox is already stitching up a deal to be in the TTP, a deal which parliament will have no say in. As will the deal with the US, which of course Trump will ensure is an asset stripping, deregulating exercise in favour of US corporates. Environmental protections will be slackened, as will employment rights. It is a perfect storm for the neocon/neoliberals Fox, Gove, Johnson and Farage. Calling all the data and evidence supporting the argument that brexit is a disaster in the making ‘project fear’ is simple minded nonsense.

          • truthwillout

            With you totally on that one, Ian. The EU may have its faults but staying in is a much better option than any of the alternatives.

          • Tony

            The EU (which we never got a choice on) is already a corporate takeover of the UK. Look at how industry is being moved away from the UK according to corporate needs. The next step, if we remain, is the jewel in the crown: finance. Wake up, fool.

          • Ian

            Being in the EU saved this country from the ravages of Thatcher, rejuvenating things like the car industry for example, and giving us rights we didn’t have previously, and which the tories fought tooth and nail of course. Industry will move away from the UK if we leave, it makes no sense for many of them to stay, so it is the opposite of what you claim. Wo’s the fool?

          • SA

            A country with no food security and no energy security and no manufacturing basis that depends only on the activities if tthe financiers is not really going to get anywhere with the sort of blackmail of the EU that they think they can get away with. Let us just for once understand the realities of where we are as a result of policies implemented by Thatcher and continued by new labour.

          • Ian

            CIA project for the benefit of the elite – conspiracy ukip crap.

            Linking to a pay site, so we can’t read the article is pointless.

            Lower tariffs will be irrelevant if Nissan, BMW etc move their production to inside the EU, which will be the most logical move for them in the event of us not staying in the CU/SM. The supply chains and dispersal of manufacturing across several countries in the EU make it impractical to stay in the UK with barriers, delays and tariffs in the way. Or are you suggesting that we can start a new car industry from scratch? The car industry is just one example, btw.

          • Dave Lawton

            Ian
            July 23, 2018 at 09:12

            “CIA project for the benefit of the elite – conspiracy ukip crap.”

            Pull the old conspiracy chestnut out of the for a lack of historical knowledge.Fail .Clue go study the Dulles Brothers and the creation of the European project.or the Archives of Warwick university Richard Aldrich.You will only find the Truth if you find it yourself.

    • Ishmael

      Exactly, Continuity in that people of the establishment get to shape the debate.

      Their clearly were issues but that should give us some scope with the hard liners trying to just railroad the process. Parachuting in taking heads like this, figures from the top is just going to reinforce the “it’s elits” viewpoint.

      I think people need to think about the conditions that led to brexit, hammer on the road to 4 hour day (at least 4 day week), wealth distribution down to the struggling. & other things to get & keep people involved more the democratic processes of government, beyond just a vote.

      I think it could be dangerous and further destabilising to go againt this vote. Surly there is some compromise that can be worked out that doesn’t look like a nightmare at the end of the day?

      I get the EU elite position, & that will have to be fought against. As we are still part of Europe and real interests are surely mutual.

      No matter what, we should want people with our interests more at heart than the dam tories, working this out. They are a total mess. Why are they still in power?

      • truthwillout

        They are still in power because they are successfully using every trick in the book to get a parliamentary majority for their Brexit proposals. How long will this continue?

      • SA

        The biggest fraud is the selling by both sides of the twin argument that when we leave the EU we will 1. Be able to have our cake , and 2. Eat our cake.
        They have forgotten to tell us that the cake maker has a say in this and will not let us have either.

        • Ishmael

          To punish us is going to hurt the EU even more.

          A deal with some kind of idea of a flexible relationship still in place, leaving open the possibility for something of a reformed arrangement in the future is at least not a total slap in the face of the EU project, If people of europe see us treated bad, they are going to say yea, it is as bad as ever & not going to change.

          You think other european nations are any more wise aware than us? Ie that they care about the money and not ideological crap about nationalism?

          I hope so, I hope they see how though with much that’s desperately needs forcing on them through our governments, it is our unity thats makes us stronger individually.

          • SA

            It is not a question of punishing us. It is a question of lack of concordance of the understanding of what Brexit means.
            The EU has made it very clear that Brexit means giving up the bundle of 4 rights which they say is the basis of belonging to the EU and is indivisible. What should be understood then that you come out and then negotiate another model whether it is the Norway or the Swiss model or another model that is tailor made. But what our politicians are insisting is that we must negotiate these terms before leaving which does not make sense. The important implication of the yes vote is that we have decided to leave, but the remainers are trying to invent something that does not exist. By the way I am a remainer.

        • Godolphin

          Surely they’re our cakes; we have the ingredients and the wherewithal.
          Let the EU eat their own cake.

          • MightyDrunken

            Pretty simple, but the government keeps asking for the cherries on the EU’s cake.

  • Stephen

    It’s all coming out publicly in the US today. The bogus FISA warrant to spy on Carter Page has been partially exposed showing they lied to the FISA court about the use of the Steele dossier and Clapper has admitted Anderson that Obama was running the operation in the White House confirming one of Strzok’s texts saying the whole thing was being run in the WH.

    Zerohedge has in depth stories on it. Here is the first and there are at least three more newer ones.on there:
    https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-07-21/agent-foreign-power-historic-first-doj-releases-carter-page-fisa-application

    • Tony

      It was always going to take a ruthless amoralist to bring down the evil deep state in the USA. It’s just…..just…..possible that Trump is that ruthless amoralist.

      • Paul Barbara

        @ Tony July 22, 2018 at 21:41
        The Deep State Rules (since Ike), OK? So JFK tried to buck the system, and so did his brother. Then JFK Jr. was going to have a go.
        Trump is putty in their hands. Or play-dough.

      • SA

        Your faith in trump is touching. Obama was elected on the basis that he will deliver ‘change we can believe in’ but from day one carried on with the same policies of the Bush administration with little bits of tweaking here and there but the foreign policy was unchanged. Now trump is far less intelligent and not at all eloquent and you think he would succeed wher Obama failed?

  • Sharp Ears

    They just cannot stop. Kill. Attack. Kill. Attack.

    Israeli warplanes strike targets in western Syria – report
    Published: 22 Jul 2018 | 17:02 GMT

    Israeli fighter jets have carried out an airstrike near the town of Masyaf in the province of Hama in western Syria on Sunday, state-run SANA news agency reports.

    There were no casualties as a result of the air raid, “with the aggression causing only material damage,” the agency reported.

    The Lebanese Al Mayadeen channel reported that Israeli planes fired missiles from Lebanon’s airspace, targeting a scientific facility. Reports on Twitter said the attack was aimed at a Syrian military facility.

    Earlier in July, Syria blamed Israel of attacking its T-4 airbase in Homs Province. The base’s air defenses have intercepted several missiles and hit one of the Israeli aircraft, the state media reported. It’s the second time this year the T-4 airfield was targeted by Israeli air force as a raid in April killed several Syrian troops and Iranian military advisors stationed at the facility.

    /..
    https://www.rt.com/news/433961-israel-strike-syria-hama/

    • SA

      This is what real impunity looks like. It will soon extend to also include freedom of speech.

  • Paul Barbara

    I had a mooch around Hans Crescent today. There were a handful of stalwarts, but the important thing is there were two TV crews, RT and ITN, which are monitoring the Embassy 24/7. So even if folk don’t get to know till after the event, it will be recorded.

    Check out ‘Londoners Protect Julian Assange’ on Facebook:
    https://www.facebook.com/groups/1623688341269856/?multi_permalinks=1869899773315377%2C1869795526659135%2C1869721433333211%2C1869670436671644%2C1869611090010912&notif_id=1532256053931557&notif_t=group_activity

    • Paul Barbara

      I’ve just been informed that there will be a vigil at the Ecuadorean Embassy tomorrow at 10:00.
      All welcome.

  • DiggerUK

    Poking around the net today, I was reminded of how a countries foreign policy shmoose can turn on a sixpence in less than a week.
    Didn’t the Israeli Army tell Syrian refugees not to come any closer to the border fence between Syria and the Golan Heights saying “Go back before something bad happens”…….they should have stuck a white helmet on their heads…_

  • mike

    Israel evacuating the White Helmets is now buried in the BBC’s Middle East section.

    They know fine well how bad this looks. Too many awkward questions. Maybe ask Priti Patel if she’s heard how those “heroes” are coping.

    • Paul Barbara

      @ mike July 22, 2018 at 23:35
      Such goodness! I’m thinking of proposing Netanyahell for a Nobel Peace Prize – he needs to be right up there with Kissinger and Obomba (and Bliar?).

  • Dave

    Another way of looking at Trump being tough with NATO, the method in the madness, is calling on members to spend more undermines rather than strengthens NATO which is obsolete and should be disbanded. This is because the response in European countries will be to oppose an increase in spending and provoke a debate of why it is necessary. Whereas when US run and payed for the show it was a question that could be dodged.

    • Hatuey

      Even without NATO you’d expect member states to spend around 2% on defence, possibly more. Non NATO countries on average spend more than 2%. Looking at it like that, it’s more or less free.

      If there’s a sub plot here, it’s the encouragement that Trump is providing for the EU to establish its own defence arrangements. With Britain out of the equation too, the politics of going down this road would be much less divisive amongst EU member states.

      There’s a beautiful irony in all this. Pro-brexiteers who have been excitedly predicting the demise of the EU as a consequence of Brexit, may find out that Brexit actually leads a strengthening of the EU and to the completion of the integration process in areas of foreign and defence policy.

      And how would the US and Britain feel about that? A unified EU military, used to express, project, and protect unified EU foreign policy goals, would be a true force to be reckoned with. And, of course, through France, it would have nuclear credentials too.

      • Dave

        As a good European and Leave voter I welcome a sensible sized united Europe. The UK only joined to wreck it from the inside after successfully opposing a united Europe for centuries from the outside. This policy is obsolete too and was before WWII, but Germany as Russia is now was deemed an enemy due to sovereign control of their own banks.

    • Paul Barbara

      @ Brianfujisan July 23, 2018 at 05:18
      I’ve been putting it about on Facebook – a lot of people where unaware of it. It needs to go viral, to bring home to people what our governments and armed forces and our mercenary proxies are doing to Syria and elsewhere.

  • Brianfujisan

    White Helmets to relocate in West after rescue from Syria

    Fuck the so called independence paper… Sickening Squirming to uk Lies

      • Rose

        Dear Brian
        I am so glad you made a mistake with the first link – it was lovely to start the day with a reminder of that – beautifully sung and utterly fitting for the times we’re all living through. As for the second image ….no words to describe that.. the sadness it rouses seems overwhelming – although I know that’s not a helpful way to feel.

    • N_

      Unfortunately the “National” doesn’t say which western countries the White Helmets will be relocated to. I’d like to know. They are unlikely to live the normal life of refugees.They may keep their structure and continue to engage in what they do: propaganda in support of mass murder.

      Are they…could they be…coming to EU countries that might collapse, such as Portugal, Ireland, Italy, Greece, Spain? Could they possibly be coming to Britain?

      Is there a connection with Stephen Bannon’s far-right “The Movement” foundation that will be operating across Europe?

      • Vivian O'Blivion

        Possibly Albania? Albania is the improbable base of operation for Mojahedin-eKhalq since they were turfed out of the Iraqi bad lands. Presumably a trade off on the part of Albania for the NATO intervention in Kosovo.

      • Lisa

        The White Helmets will be resettled in Britain, Canada and Germany, reports Zerohedge.
        There are suspicions that not all persons “rescued” from Syria under this project, are civil defence workers at all.

  • Vivian O'Blivion

    Guardian gets round to reporting that American far right “think tank” Middle East Forum is funding Tommy Robinson. Story broke by Middle East Monitor 13 days ago.

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/jul/22/us-rightwing-groups-bankroll-campaign-to-free-tommy-robinson

    Article miraculously fails to mention Middle East Forums primary function, as a lobbyist for a certain Eastern Mediterranean state that competes in Eurovision. Wonder how the Guardian could have missed that out? Quite inexplicably!
    Article also fails to mention that Middle East Forum is substantially financed by the US state. Journalists my arse.

    • Ian

      MEF is the hobby horse of Daniel Pipes. Anybody who has any acquaintance with Middle East politics knows what a devious, unprincipled, right wing blowhard he is. Just knowing that is enough to discredit anything they say.

      • Ian

        Ethno-nationalists. Years ago the BNP used Israel as an example of the kind of country to admire.

      • Vivian O'Blivion

        Supporters of Glasgow Rangers FC (incorporated 2012) routinely display the blue and white dish towel on the terraces.

      • Vivian O'Blivion

        Prominent American White supremacist Robert Spencer weighs in in support for the the new apartheid legislation.

        https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20180723-anti-semitic-white-supremacist-praises-israels-nation-state-bill/

        On another note.
        Spencer hails from Whitefish, Montana. Population 6,357 in 2010.
        Interior Secretary, Ryan Zinke also hails from Whitefish.
        $300 million, no bit contract to rebuild Puerto Rico electricity grid goes to two man start-up company from Whitefish.
        A town that is not only named after a fish but smells like one also.

  • quasi_verbatim

    Guardian is cringeing this morning about “Earth Overshoot Day” and the world’s depletion of resources in “ever greater destructive volumes”.

    But they can’t bring themselves to admit who, or what, is doing the depleting.

    Thank goodness for the various Human Fertility Derangement projects, now far advanced, and the undeclared but perpetual War on the Unconceived.

      • N_

        Yep – this is correct. It’s kind of obvious but so few people realise it. Another obvious thing is that the London housing market in the past 10-20 years has been Rachmanised: destroy the security of existing residents, encourage in large numbers of low-paid immigrants, whack up rents. That’s Rachmanism to a tee.

    • Ishmael

      Capitalism, Rampant Consumerism, overproduction crisis.

      People like Borris Johnson. The 1% who consume 100s of times what people like me do.

      This is the logic and reality of “free marking capitalism” ideology,. (religion). On a finite world. Left to itself is WILL devour & waste vast recourses for nothing but profit, until total collapse. Which is what we are seeing.

      And the farcical pathetic right wing reaction to it. Who suck up MORE to the system. Defend it. ….Begs belief.

      Why do people work? most of them? Do you know how much energy it takes to do a full day of work? including cars, building, etc. And for what? & Those actually engaged in productive work use nothing vs those who jet around, rent other cars, and other people.

      Just one Trump must use up more than a good few million. Who work for his class and who’s labour is alienated from them to that class.

  • N_

    Trump: elected mainly on the basis of the persona projected to fans of wrestling and “You’re Fired”.

    “Brexit”: as famine looms, discussed mainly in terms of “Deal or No Deal”.

    Trust me that intellects are not being appealed to here.

  • N_

    That billionaire chin-jutting casino owner in the White House is pooing his pants in Iran’s direction now. He needs his nose wiped in his own mess, he really does.

    • Sharp Ears

      His henchman Pompeo has been sounding off.

      ‘Iran says Pompeo’s remarks interference in state matters: Tasnim
      ANKARA (Reuters) – Iran said on Monday U.S. Secretary of State Mike Pompeo’s speech against Iran’s clerical rulers was an interference in its affairs, the semi-official Tasnim news agency reported.

      FILE PHOTO: U.S. Secretary of State Mike Pompeo holds a press briefing at U.N. headquarters in New York City, New York, U.S., July 20, 2018.
      “Pompeo’s speech on Sunday was a clear interference in Iran’s state matters…such policies will unite Iranians who will overcome plots against their country,” Iranian Foreign Ministry spokesman Bahram Qasemi said.

      Pompeo on Sunday denounced Iran’s leaders as a “mafia” and promised unspecified backing for Iranians unhappy with their government.’

      https://www.reuters.com/article/us-iran-usa-pompeo/iran-says-pompeos-remarks-interference-in-state-matters-tasnim-idUSKBN1KD0WV

      They must huddle round the blond property developer and decide on who gets attacked on that day.

  • N_

    The British cabinet is going to Gateshead in the northeast of England. Gateshead!

    Here’s what you have to know: the effect of a “WTO” (“No deal”) Brexit on Britain has a whole has been estimated as an 8% drop in GDP. In the northeast of England, the drop has been estimated as 16%.

    Source: EU Exit Analysis – Cross-Whitehall Briefing.

    The real figures are likely to be much higher.

    • Sharp Ears

      She’s spending a lot of our taxes on her away days isn’t she. The locals had better go and throw rotten fish heads at them and drive them out.

    • Loony

      Consider this:

      In Sunderland 61% of people that voted , voted to leave the EU. What is that you do not understand? The people of the North East loathe and detest the EU. The entire area has been economically destroyed by a pogrom lasting nearly 40 years.

      Despite your dripping contempt for these people they understand that for them GDP means absolutely fuck all. What do they care if GDP rises by 16% or falls by 16%?

      Go right ahead and try and scare them, see what happens. Well what happens is that over 30% of the UK electorate want a vote for a new right wing party dedicated to leaving the EU. Opinion polls show Remain/Leave at 50/50 which means that leave has a significant majority. Because one more thing has happened – the former working classes hold the chattering classes in such contempt that they will no longer even answer your questions. This means that your opinion polls are pure bollocks and is why you were unable to predict Brexit or Trump and why if a new referendum is forced through then the people will speak. That is why there will be no new referendum.

      Michael Canie once observed that the British working classes cannot be intimidated. If you don’t believe this then go right ahead and push the button and pull the plug. The people are waiting, but they are waiting without fear and they do not blink as they stare into your manufactured abyss.

      • JohninMK

        Top answer Loony, you got part of our population down to a T.

        If they were stupid enough to do it and they aren’t, I’d predict 60:40 next time round. Even the Remain supporters I know are totally pissed off at the obstructive and abusive stance taken by the EU negotiators who clearly want to screw us into the ground. That may work when dealing with countries with a history of submission but that don’t include us lot.

    • Ishmael

      Recognition & money, that’s what “alt-right” is about. They are not really nationalists either. Much the same as those they attack. There just isn’t that type of nationalist sentiment among the population nowadays, It’s kind of ridiculos that a very few take it so seriously (and a very few are total freaks) But most are just making money off it, to retire elsewhere.

      It blows my mind. Attack the elites and Defend capitalism?

      This is why I can’t stand the left embrace of football, because it’s one area people manage to convince themselves they are not their for corporate money. And somehow that it’s good to feel akin with people you would vomit over if you met them.

  • Hatuey

    Well, it’s all kicking off now eh. The penny is starting to drop and a hard Brexit is right in our very beards.

    Speaking of Sterling, I am predicting a tough week for UK in the currency exchange markets.

    Up until now, the smart money has always assumed that England would see sense and put an end to this madness but a new nightmarish possibility is starting to form in the minds of many — what if it isn’t possible to stop a hard Brexit?

    Of course, we Brits shouldn’t underestimate ourselves when it comes to adapting and overcoming. I’m sure it’ll all be fine. As one enlightened enthusiast reassured me; “we survived the blitz, so we can survive Brexit…”

    It’s hard to argue with that “logic”. He might have said we survived the stone age or the plague years but for marketing reasons the Blitz is the nightmare of choice. I blame Dad’s Army myself…

    Anyone on here familiar with the Dunning-Kruger effect?

    My expectation is that we will see the formation of a national coalition government and Brexit will be averted. No single party will want to take the hit and go down as the party that scuppered the hopes of so many. I predicted all this about 18 months ago and it looks like things are moving in that direction.

    Question: why do political idiots always put so much emphasis on things that they had zero influence over, things like skin colour, where you happened to be born, language, and culture?

    • Ishmael

      “I am predicting a tough week for UK in the currency exchange markets”

      Im sure if enough people predict it, it will be true.

    • Vivian O'Blivion

      Why so negative? The hundreds of thousands of wood burning stoves fitted as architectural features will become essential survival kit when the gas and electric interconnectors are switched off.

      • Ishmael

        Solar on every house, cut the work day (= less energy consumption), Tax the rich to the bone, & give to the poor instead of them (they will spend it).

        Conditions of those who are actually in material need could be improved, = less violence etc. The economy and small business would benefit as people would actually have something to spend.

        More efficient housing. More local economy (better for the environment & peoples health) …

        Lots of possible positive things could be done regardless really.

        • Loony

          If you are talking about the UK then putting solar panels on every house would actually increase energy consumption. You need to factor in the amount of energy used in manufacture, transportation and installation. You also need standby power for when the sun is not shining (like at night for example)

          Solar panels do not fit well with an integrated system that supplies electricity on demand.

          They fit rather better in sunnier climes with an intermittent power supply – say Africa for example. One of the better ways of spending overseas aid would be to install solar panels in Africa – where the net benefits would be both obvious and readily calculable.

          That you do not do this points to your true racism which is intertwined with own vile narcissism that allows you to believe that installing solar panels in the UK is anything other than stupid.

          One final point on UK solar panels is that they are subsidized by the government – quite a lot of people are earning a tax free rate of return of 8% real pa. This is a direct subsidy to the rich. Maybe that is why a lot of people despise climate change junkies, because whether it is real or not it is being used to transfer money from the poor to the rich.

          The “progressives” love of UK solar panels points to either their stupidity or their venality.

          • MightyDrunken

            Loony can you supply numbers for your belief that putting solar panels on every roof in the UK will increase energy consumption. I’ve just been running some numbers and that sounds like nonsense. Though I do not you say “every house in the UK”, which would be a pretty stupid thing to do anyways.
            Solar panels create enough energy to pay back their manufacturer in about 3 years. This study says 4 years, using a low efficiency of 12% in the US.
            https://www.nrel.gov/docs/fy04osti/35489.pdf
            For the UK we could double the time as we get less insolation but typical silicon multicrystalline cells are now 14-19% efficient. So 7 years is not a bad guess. Transportation costs will add only a small fraction of energy. Backup problems are overstated, energy energy source requires backup, things only become different if we had a very significant amount of solar. Which considering our climate and small subsidies now is unlikely to happen for awhile.

          • JohninMK

            MD, I have panels on the 7 year old 54.5p/kw scheme. Even with that payback breakeven is 8-9 years. Without the subsidy double it. In addition they are not maintenance free. I’d agree with your estimate of 7 years on current costs which are unlikely to reduce as fitting to an average roof is now a big proportion of the cost.

            As we don’t manufacture panels in the UK we bear none of the manufacturing energy consumption which is buried in the import cost. Loony is right about their being an excellent way to support poorer but even in sunny countries like Spain there seem to be far fewer panels than us so even there without subsidy it doesn’t pay (apart from solar water heating) and I am pretty sure they are surcharged rather than subsidized there.

          • Loony

            You cannot measure solar by efficiency, since the energy input is free. Rather they are measured by Load Factor – a 1 kw system with 100% load factor would produce 8760 Kwh/year. In the UK you are looking at a long term average load factor of around 4%.

            An integrated system (like the UK) requires back up – this is not trivial. When the UK operated on more or less 100% thermal generation you built Dinorwig – a 2GW pumped storage facility in Wales. In many ways this was the envy of the world.

            Today you need combined cycle gas – which is the most efficient (around 60%) and cleanest form of thermal generation. So naturally the government has acted to prevent this, and so instead you rely on diesel generation. This is one of the most polluting and least efficient (around 35%) forms of thermal generation

            Renewables prevents the efficient operation of thermal generation since they compress load factor which adversely impacts on efficiency, emissions and maintenance. The difference in the thermal efficiency ( 60% vs 35%) and the pitiful load factor of solar (4%) explains the increase in energy consumption.

            In reality it is more complicated because of wind (which has a somewhat higher load factor of around 30%). This offsets some of the need for diesel generation, but itself results in materially higher transmission costs – and these can be measured in both monetary and energy terms.

          • Burnaby Wilde

            “An integrated system (like the UK) requires back up – this is not trivial. When the UK operated on more or less 100% thermal generation you built Dinorwig – a 2GW pumped storage facility in Wales. In many ways this was the envy of the world.”

            There’s always Gravitricity ( https://www.gravitricity.com/ )

    • Sharp fears

      I thought the earlier comment concerning “ we survived the Blitz” (thus we can survive Brexit), particularly stupid. Some people survived it, plenty of others died. And Britain was considerably worse off because of the war, something which until recently we were told a united Europe should make less likely to happen again.

      • Ishmael

        Iv always found it repugnant when people say it. like some kind of standard.

        Like when bombs are falling, then we can say conditions are bad.

        The fact is conditions are great for some, For others it’s a life of mundane work & early death after they are worn out. During time they spend forced to sell themselves to just exist.

        But hey, the blitz, ain’t life great.

  • Mochyn69

    Racism of all forms is abhorrent but the IHCA definition and examples are defective so Labour is right to discipline Margaret Hodge for her indefensible outburst against JC.

    • Vivian O'Blivion

      Zionists to define anti-Semitism. DUP to define sectarianism. Harvey Weinstein to define sexual assault.

  • Ishmael

    Labour should be ok with not knowing some things. Brexit is a big thing. What’s sure is Tories are making a pigs ear of it. When they know even less, & are less serious about it.

    They care about their own capitalist class interest. They will execute this country given half the chance. you’ll get a deal by and for the elites.

    How the hell the “alt- right” justifies this is beyond the pale. God,,,, they are just a bunch of blaggers. Don’t people see that?

    • MJ

      But when former ambassadors are trotted out and say things people like you disagree with, you dismiss them as semi-nutters or useful idiots. Sorry, no-one believes anymore what dubious MSM such as the BBC or any US “news” outlet has to say about the White Helmets.

    • Andyoldlabour

      Thank goodness we have people such as Mr Ford and Mr Murray to offer an alternative to the MSM bilge.

  • Clive p

    Javid has torn up decades of U.K. policy by allowing the death penalty in the US for the ‘Beatles’ pair. They had their UK citizenship removed illegally and are therefore stateless. This is being done because the government thinks there will be little sympathy for them although exactly what crimes they have supposedly committed remains unclear. This is surely a softening up process to set a precedent before the Assange decision. The US want the death penalty and the U.K. government will argue this is ok and they would never do it for a UK citizen. Expect the worst.

    • Ishmael

      Uk is going to be handing over a “white” Australian journalist, To face possible execution, For publishing?

      For making the US embarrassed? We are going to send someone for torture (embedded in the US system) & possibly death for that?

      Europe elites made us do it?

      • Ishmael

        This is the problem with voting and referenda, we all effect each other, and it’s you can’t prove exact effect stuff has that happens around the world. Like it’s impossible to generalise about what Brexit actually was for each individual and say ‘They wanted so and so’. Or ‘this motivated them this way’…

        People are framing what wikilieaks released the way they want, for an agenda. Sure it had an effect, but so do 101 other things. And the people decided. Unless the US is outsourcing votes to other populations I don’t see the issue.

        They have a very controlling attitude over the population. Treat them like kids.

      • Antonyl

        The US is not going to execute Assange, that would be shot in their own foot. No they want to tie Wikileaks to Trump via Russians, and a ‘confession” by him would look good in the MSM they think.
        Will they ever learn??

        • Ishmael

          Wikileaks is “tied” to trump. You mean some grand conspiracy?

          Like data algorithms ? Cambridge analitica ? Vast some of private corporate wealth changing hands?

          Naa, I think they are going to get fooled again.

          • Antonyl

            The FBI tried their best, but there is no Wikileaks in their indictment of those 12 Russians. Frequently government law enforcement needs actual proof, specially in high profile cases. Newspaper stories won’t suffice in court.

    • jazza

      maybe Paul McCartney will intervene on the grounds of copyright law and misuse of the band’s name thereby thwarting javid’s inexcuasable ignorance

      • Sharp Ears

        Diane Foley, mother of one of those murdered, does not want the pair to be executed.

        ‘We are washing our hands’ says the BBC’s Paul Adams, son of the good Michael Adams, author, journalist and co-founder of CAABU.

        ‘Adams was almost the only British journalist to report on Israel’s treatment of Palestinians in 1967. He helped found the Council for the Advancement of Arab-British Understanding (CAABU) in 1967, and served as its first Director. He was editor of Mid East International until 1981. In 1975 he and Christopher Mayhew wrote Publish It Not: The Middle East Cover-Up, a pro-Palestinian work on the Middle East conflict.’

        https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Adams_(journalist)

    • Antonyl

      Is the UK’s system so rotten they can’t convict these IS Beatles at home? Ah, the ECHR treats all equal: dead victims and live suspects, how handy for the latter. Treason to the UK out of the books due to the mercenary business? What is wrong with UK Justice?

  • Sharp Ears

    What I do and where I go is my business. Mind you own business.

    Who are you?

  • Sharp Ears

    Norman Smith has been bullying Naomi Wimborne-Idressi on the AS stance bring taken by Corbyn in an aggressive ‘interview’. She kept her end up and pointed out that the agenda is to get rid of him and this trumped up AS stuff is being used for that purpose. She represents J.wish Voice for Labour.

    I also heard Lord West of Spithead disagreeing vehemently with Javid’s decision to send two ISIL members to their inevitable deaths in the US. No parliamentary discussion and no legal decision has been made.

    I think he took an anti- USUKISNATO stance on Syria.

    God for him and ex Ambassadors Peter Ford and Craig Murray.

    • Sharp Ears

      s/be Good for him..

      It ain’t half hot here and the temperature will be 31C on Wednesday.

      Just opened the post which contains a missive from the local (Tory) council. ‘We need to know who lives at this address…blah blah. Eligibility to vote, etc

      It concludes in bold black print – Please respond by 17/08/2018 to save on the cost of sending a reminder. IF YOU DO NOT RESPOND TO THIS FORM, YOU COULD BE FINED £1,000.

      Britain is a fascist state.

      • Charles Bostock

        Beitain is a fascist state because councils wish to maintain up to date registers of voters ?

    • Burnaby Wilde

      “what the substance involved was”

      The ever-protean Novichok in its latest incarnation would be my guess.

  • Sharp Ears

    Treeza is doing a Q&A, Agent Cameron style, at an engineering company in Gateshead where the captive employees sit like dummies.

    This is the sort of question being asked of her, apart from those on Brexit.

    “Prime Minister. You have the most stressful job in the world. How do you unwind”

    LOL

    A. Walking with Fillip and cooking. She has 150 cookery books. Wow!

    • MightyDrunken

      That could be really useful experience in making the cake you can eat and keep at the same time (cherry cake of course). Saint Theresa is the best person for Brexit!

  • Walt King

    I read today a quote from MI5 in 2004 to the effect that the UK is four square meals from anarchy.
    It seems to me that this falls to March 31 2019, or, more appropriately, All Fools Day.

    Maybe you think this is project fear, but wouldn’t it be safer to take an each way bet? How to anticipate?

    First job, put all your sterling into foreign currency. My choice, US and Hong Kong dollars (linked). Since just before the referendum I did this and have bought into US dollars from 1.25 to 1.55, having only lost on one transaction. I expect parity in 2019. I’d be embarrassed to say how much profit I have made. You can still get about $1.30. Do it now before it is too late.

    If you intend to be in the UK on 29 March, stock up on tinned goods, grains. dried food. Sell your car (you won’t be able to afford the fuel and nobody will buy it from you) and put chest freezers in your garage. Stock them well.

    As for me, I will be in Asia watching with interest. Maybe it will turn out for the best, I really don’t know. But I am prepared. Are you?

    • BogBrush

      Thanks for that, Walt, I shall follow your valuable advice.

      But you forgot to mention toilet paper – buy lots of toilet paper because there wont be any MSM newspapers for you to use.

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