We are continually presented with experts by the mainstream media who will validate whatever miraculous property of “novichok” is needed to fit in with the government’s latest wild anti-Russian story. Tonight Newsnight wheeled out a chemical weapons expert to tell us that “novichok” is “extremely persistent” and therefore that used to attack the Skripals could still be lurking potent on a bush in a park.
Yet only three months ago we had this example of scores from the MSM giving the same message which was the government line at that time:
“Professor Robert Stockman, of the University of Nottingham, said traces of nerve agents did not linger. He added: ‘These agents react with water to degrade, including moisture in the air, and so in the UK they would have a very limited lifetime. This is presumably why the street in Salisbury was being hosed down as a precaution – it would effectively destroy the agent.'”
In fact, rain affecting the “novichok” on the door handle was given as the reason that the Skripals were not killed. But now the properties of the agent have to fit a new narrative, so they transmute again.
It keeps happening. Do you remember when Novichok was the most deadly of substances, many times more powerful than VX or Sarin, and causing death in seconds? But then, when that needed to be altered to fit the government’s Skripal story, they found scientists to explain that actually no, it was pretty slow acting, absorbed gradually through the skin, and not all that deadly.
Scientists are an interesting bunch. More than willing to ascribe whatever properties fit the government’s ever more implausible stories, in exchange for an MSM appearance fee, 5 minutes of fame and the fond hope of a research grant.
According to the Daily Telegraph today, the unfortunate Charlie Rowley is a registered heroin addict, and if true Occam’s Razor would indicate that is a rather more likely reason for his present state than an inexplicably persistent weaponised nerve agent.
If it is however true that two separate attacks have been carried out with “novichok” a few miles either side of Porton Down, where “novichok” is synthesised and stored for “testing purposes”, what does Occam’s razor suggest is the source of the nerve agent? A question not one MSM journalist seems to have asked themselves tonight.
I am slightly puzzled by the picture the media are trying to paint of Charlie Rowley and Dawn Sturgess as homeless, unemployed addicts. The Guardian and Sky News both state that they were unemployed, yet Charlie was living in a very new house in Muggleton Road, Amesbury, which is pretty expensive. According to Zoopla homes range up to £430,000 and the cheapest ones are £270,000. They are all new build, on a new estate, which is still under construction.
Both Charlie Rowley and Dawn Sturgess still have active facebook pages and one of Charlie’s handful of “Likes” is a mortgage broker, which is consistent with his brand new house. They don’t give mortgages to unemployed heroin addicts, and not many of those live in smart new “executive housing” estates. Both Charlie and Dawn appear from their facebook pages to be very well socialised, with Dawn having many friends in the teaching profession. Even if she has been homeless for a period as reported, she is plainly very much part of the community.
Naturally, there is no mention in all the reports today of MI6’s Pablo Miller, who remains the subject of a D notice. I wonder if he knows Rowley and Sturgess, living in the same community? It should be recalled that Salisbury may be a city, but its population is only 45,000.
The most important thing is of course that Charlie and Dawn recover. But tonight, even at this early stage, as with the entire Skripal saga, the message the security services are seeking to give out does not add up. Mark Urban’s piece for Newsnight tonight was simply disgusting; it did not even pretend to be more than a propaganda piece on behalf of the security services, who had told Urban (as he said) that Yulia Skripal’s phone “could have been” tapped by the Russians and they “might even” have listened to her conversations through the microphone in her telephone. That was the “new evidence” that the Russians were behind everything.
As a former British Ambassador I can tell you with certainty that indeed the Russians might have tapped Yulia, but GCHQ most definitely would have. It is, after all, their job, and billions of our taxes go into it. If tapping of phones is seriously presented as evidence of intent to murder, the British government must be very murderous indeed.
The “found syringe” theme is reminiscent of the magic bullet that pierced so much bone, tissue, and clothing, yet was found in pristine condition on a gurney in Parkland Hospital. But for the lies and the dead and wounded, it would be funny.
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/sbt.htm
It wasn’t found in a pristine condition on a gurney, that is a myth perpetuated by conspiracy theorists
Isn’t your own reply a conspiracy theory? I knew a man who said I was a conspiracy theorist over 9-11, but when I reminded him he was a conspiracy theorist who believes Princess Diana was murdered he dismissed being a conspiracy theorist because “everybody knows she was murdered”. You only have to believe in one conspiracy and you’re a conspiracy theorist.
Not everything is a conspiracy but conspiracies exist and anybody who believes otherwise is incredibly naive. The whole Skripal affair and now the Amesbury affair is a very poor conspiracy put together by dark elements serving a sinister establishment.
The bullet may not have been ‘pristine’ but it still shows a remarkable lack of deformation considering the damage it inflicted, also the nature in which it was discovered is highly unusual; bullets are usually found inside people or embedded in nearby objects, they don’t just ‘fall out’.
Don’t overlook that the US Intelligence Committee Assessment of Russian meddling in the democratically- based West’s liberal elections was released at the same time.
Are they the same persons at the CCTV recorded as suspicious back in march when SKripal icident occured?
Image and face overlay (yes I know its a bit non scientific)
https://tinyurl.com/ybvf5gfm
Debunked easily or interesting?
I’d say “Credible.”
Great attempt and very interesting. Yesterday studying their pics I too found for there is a very strong resemblance between the couples. Both thin, white, and lanky, and both have similar hair and other features, men a high receding forehead and women square jaw with a blonde backward swoop, and their dress style also fits too. Sturgess’ facebook has many pics and there’s definitely something about the two.
Also Charlie Rowley have some shades under his lower lip/stubble in the photos of him, and in the CCTV stills there seems to be some distinct shading there too:
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/imageserver/image/methode%2Ftimes%2Fprod%2Fweb%2Fbin%2Fc2fca14a-7f9a-11e8-a645-f0478472c67b.jpg?crop=1397%2C786%2C25%2C9&resize=685
Again analyzing like this is very sketchy so we have to take it what its worth,
Seriously, I don’t think that’s the point.
They are trying to create a bogeyman, a scapegoat in the public psyche. It worked in the US, now they’re trying to do it over here. They have a narrative to sell. The truth is irrelevant.
Watching the moving video does provide more information and there does appear to be clear facial similarity. Perhaps if the height of the current victims could be ascertained this would aid some other comparisons.
Definitely worth pursuing as the couple in he CCTV have never been identified, which is remarkable considering how much media attentions was thrown upon them before the media quickly forgot that they had ever seen the video.
Another similarity perhaps is the pants Dawn is wearing in this photo:
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/newpix/2018/07/04/23/4DEAAA2B00000578-5919211-Charlie_Rowley_and_Dawn_Sturgess_pictured_have_been_named_as_the-m-101_1530742041340.jpg
Those pants looks like the kind of model the woman in the CCTV recording is wearing, look here:
https://cdn.newsapi.com.au/image/v1/94027fe7b0240425a5cfbe4e5fc8c63c
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/newpix/2018/03/08/18/49E9E1D100000578-5476507-A_photo_of_the_aftermath_shows_a_red_object_on_the_floor_circled-a-39_1520532905322.jpg
The height seems to fit too, check this:
http://images.catchnews.com/upload/2018/07/05/Charlie_Rowley_and_Dawn_Sturgess__Catch_News_1_121006_730x419-m.jpg
I don’t get to watch much live TV news. Has anyone so far
1. Challenged the varying official accounts of how lethal novichoks are, in what form and how long they last?
2. Followed up the couple viewed on cctv when the Skripals were poisoned?
3. Found out how the male victim came to live in a smart flat and why she was homeless?
4. Asked if any other druggies might be at risk or have the authorities found the contaminated source which poisoned the latest pair?
Nope, to my knowledge no challenge but as Craig notes the properties of Novichok are rapidly changing to suit the occasion. For example, just now on sky a toxic expert interviewed about Novichok’s properties claims most people affected will recoverer so where the deadly novichok that was 10 times more deadly than the VX us Brits created and was used to assassinate Kim’s half brother or the Novichok Vil Mirzayanov the defected scientist described as so deadly went, who knows!
Daily Mail has interviewed her mother. apparently Dawn Sturgess picked up used cigarette stubs and smoked them. (She also said her daughter is a worse state than Charlie Rowley and she fears she is going to die.) Did Skripal smoke? Is this another red herring?
Makes it more likely that Sturgess did indeed go round picking usable stuff out of waste bins, and fell upon something tainted.
Laguerre – that puzzles me. Do you mean that the bins in Salisbury haven’t been emptied for 4 months?
Wouldn’t that have been part of the major decontamination process?
4 months is a bit hard to swallow! Let alone a cigarette but surviving British spring weather!
And was DS Bailey given to dive-bombing too?
I know our intelligent services are essentially good although not excellent at conjuring plots(Gadaffi) yet I firmly believe the intake graduates are nevertheless basically upstanding and principled. It appears however MI5 and more so MI6 although not constrained are in fact ‘leaned on’ by the CIA and the NSA. The NSA supply most of our military cryptographic equipment and algorithms for instance and Craig himself has explained how telegrams/information/SSI/NOFORN etc are routed from the CIA to the secret intelligence service/British ambassadors.
With Skripal et al. the CIA or some part of it have leaned on our own domestic intelligence services to conjure a Novichok sequel before Trump speaks with Putin. This because Trump needs a lever in discussions about Syria and Iran. That is the rub and we a paying for it. No doubt in my mind who is the poodle here.
How anyone can speak highly of the British inteiligence services when they saw to the brutal murders of Royal Cadet Stephen Hilder, Dr, David Kelly, Gerrman linguist Gudrun Loftus, astrophysicist Steve Rawlings, super hacker Gareth Williams, and the al-Hilli family et al. is beyond me.
I wouldn’t work for them for all the money in the world.
As a lever it is a very poor one. Putin won’t budge on that score.
“This because Trump needs a lever in discussions about Syria and Iran…”
I think the leverage is more likely to be used by certain vested US interests against Trump, than by him against Putin.
“How dare you try to come to any accommodation with this man, who is the most evil person on the planet…”
Stonky,
I agree with you, but much of Mark Golding’s analysis is correct too.
This entire Skripal / Salisbury / Novichok pantomime, looks to me that it has been written by Americans, who have an American view of the UK pantomimes, and think they are real, and think the UK population are like the US population and believe them.
I find it hard to believe, that the UK Government are so ridiculously incompetent, to dream up this nonsense themselves. I think they have been told to do it – or else, by as quoted by Mark – they “are in fact ‘leaned on’ by the CIA and the NSA”
The UK Government gives them a dirty look, as if to say – we are all going to look completely ridiculous. The CIA say
“Just Do It”
They reply – “What again?”, and now know for sure, they are completely mad.
Tony
My thoughts exactly – as soon as this charade emerged – Putin/Trump. But surely Trump cannot be that dense to think that it would have any affect on whatever the two discuss. The Brits still haven’t grasped the fact that no leverage of any kind for whatever reason, could be placed on Vladimir Putin!! His most likely response would be to double up clutching his sides laughing.
Britain’s secret intelligence services have been in bed with the Tories/establishment since before WW1 and to remind anyone of that, on any thread open for comment on the Guardian will get it instantly moderated.
Being charged with ‘Defending the Realm’ they get to decide who the enemies are.
They are little more than criminal organisations given a free pass to behave however they like.
“According to Zoopla”, they couldn’t possibly be described as Junkies or Homeless as the MSM has said, therefore everything the press says is untrue…. is that it craig? No wonder you have all the loons in the country on your side and you lost your DV and got sacked.
Addressing himself directly to Craig, who called Urban’s piece ‘disgusting’ supporting my hunch that Goran Scmitt is Mark Urban.
Pyotr Grozny
So I am Mark Urban? What would convince you that I’m not him?
I wouldn’t admit to being Mark Urban under water boarding.
I like it.
I think Goran it is perfectly acceptable to contradict and challenge people, but if you did it in a non-confrontational and less aggressive and rude way it would be much preferable.
Actually, for what it is worth, at no stage did I lose my DV. It was even renewed jst before I was sacked. You really should read Murder in Samarkand, Goran,
So you have retained your DV Craig? You still had it after 2005? How on earth would you know that you retained your vetting status? From my extensive experience (York) you will know that have achieved your DV but no notice of anything afterwards. Employment is reliant on you holding a suitable vetting status after all. As you held no DV post afterwards you had no idea what your vetting status was.
Feel free to delete this thread, I think I hit a raw nerve.
Nah, you are fishing Craig with insult and putting words into his mouth. I hope he doesn’t delete the thread because then people will know what he has to put up with.
I am not surprised to hear you need DV status to interpret media reporting. /S
You seem to have in depth knowledge of British security vetting procedures?! Were you/are you a member of the British Diplomatic Service? Goran Schmitt.
Here is some interesting background re being a UK spy, and Developed Vetting. Seems a pretty crap job to me, with poor pay, and even worse prospects, so maybe they did make this nonsense up.
“Annie Machon: my so-called life as a spy
The murder of MI6 operative Gareth Williams last week has turned the spotlight on the shady world of espionage. Here, a former intelligence offer for MI5 explains why the life of a British spy is an insular one ”
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/7969608/Annie-Machon-my-so-called-life-as-a-spy.html
Tony
The only thing you you seem to have hit, mister Luke Harding, is o for 3.
To the dug out with you.
We now know they both had drug problems, and that she lived in a homeless hostel, that has been confirmed in various public statements.
Goran is just a nuisance. Hopefully if we ignore him he will go away and bother some other board.
I would suggest amending your statement to “We have been told they both had drug problems…”
What we “Know,” is, under these circumstances, at the very least, questionable.
well they were known to police and authorities and local mayor even made a statement, saying tbey were currently in recovery. I think if they were actually retiring upstanding citizens someone would have called this out by now. My friend’s view, who takes only a passing interest in the news, is that most plausible explanation is they were bribed at the time with drugs to somehow poison the Skripals and have since got too greedy and been seen off with tainted heroin. I admit it does not really stand up, why use novichok? But what makes you think the cigarette stub, if it was that, had been there for ,4 months. it could have been planted.
Believe the Enid Blyton storylines, do we Goran? All we need is Timmy the dog to round up the suspects, and it’s all sorted. Rofl.
FFS, who’s writing this script? The state had enough trouble making the Skripal narrative stick, so now they go and complicate matters with this guff?
When you’re in a hole, stop digging. But the Maybot and her neofeudal clowns are no longer capable of rational thought, not with Brexit threatening to blow the whole sorry “team” apart.
Interesting footnote: So far, neither Blackford or Sturgeon have swallowed the UK state’s risible line on Amesbury. Contrast this to their statement’s when the Skripals ate those dodgy prawns.
I could believe that Boris could still think it a jolly wheeze to get the blame back on Russia, without thinking about the consequences of putting fear into a town-full of people that novichok was still out there in the environment four months later, and had not been cleaned up. I’d be packing my bag and going to visit relatives, if I were a Salisburyite.
Perhaps the aim of the second poisoning is to augment the Skripal case with new details that will help to put the blame on Russia. In general, a plausible case would need two things: motive and evidence. With Skripals we have the “motive”. But still no evidence in 4 months, after the poison could not be traced to Russia. If I were the perpetrator, I would select a new target that could be reliably circumstancially connected to Russia: like a drug addict who frequented an area through which a Russian that I choose to blame passed on the day of Skripal poisoning. Then with CCTV footage of both occurences in the area you can convince some of the public that there’s causal connection between the two. This would also give additional support to the claim that Novichok was used in Skripals poisoning for which there is still no legal confirmation.
I hate rogue apostrophes.
Nice site trolling, Alec. I’ll leave you to correct the texts and the wiki site regarding the magic bullet’s true provenance. Even wiki indicates Connelly was not in front of JFK but to one side.
Few think the Warren Commission’s members were fools or incompetent. On the contrary, as is true of current government speakers on the novichock claims, they were among the “best and brightest.” They included a Supreme Court chief justice and a former director of the CIA (an odd choice, given his history with JFK).
Their agenda was not to investigate, document, and resolve, any more than we will see such things in any novichok inquiries. The lacunae in their witness list and in their failures to preserve physical evidence demonstrates that. Their goal was to quiet the population and to bury inconvenient truths. The government’s goals with these novichok claims seems to be to scare up a bogeyman and to distract from the truth.
Whatever the truth regarding JFK’s murder, it was not what the Warren Commission looked for or documented. To the contrary, it acted the way British government appointed commissions of inquiry act: it buried the problem and distributed blame in such a way that no one could be blamed, except for the appointed sacrificial lamb.
You might get his name right, Connally, the Texas Governor, and he was sitting in the car in front of JFK.
And the Warren Commission was intended to make sure that the Soviets and Cubans were not implicated in the assassination as originally planned because Connally was almost assassinated too, but he lived and threatened to get fellow conspirators who had apparently double-crossed him.
Brilliant and correct reply!
And they did it so well that 50 years on, we no more wise, and documents still lacks declassifying.
And let me add: 2000 books have been written, all authors all mystified, but nothing new!
Well one thing in my opinion:
A greater crowd of criminal, corrupt vile, odious, murderous, conspiratorial, thieving, thuggish, lying lot of examples of human beings, have never before and probably never since, surrounded a unknowing (?) President, as the people revealed in these books.
But no proof of anything, just the glaring ineptness, dereliction of duty and evident “closing of eyes”.
I rest my case.
Mey reply was at Eoh
Thanks Abe, but we really don’t know who did the other assassinations to make Tricky Dick ultimately POTUS.
I suggest it was The Plumbers, led by the CIA’s loosest cannon. William King Harvey.
I notice Craig’s Skripal twitter midgie has gotten rattled on twitter by a user called Billy Whittaker…
https://mobile.twitter.com/deadlyvices/status/1014626752042332161
Why is the Grauniad’s lead story on Novichok poisoning only 9th on its ‘most veiwed’ list? Do readers consider it not very reliable?
Even Guardian readers have become tired of this bull.
This book is worth reading although it does not cover the Skripal case:
https://www.skyhorsepublishing.com/9781510730328/the-plot-to-scapegoat-russia/
FCS! Cant the MI something go and search that lethal park and find one or two Russian passports? It cant become any more ridicolous anyway? There is nothing to loose:
Something that strikes me as strange about Sergei Skripal is why he was so unconcerned about his own safety and security. Surely, being so connected and in the know that he was a threat to Russia, he should have been aware that he was putting himself in harms way. And yet it turns out he was readily available to entertain members of the press in his home. Hardly the behaviour of someone who believes he may become a target. And it would be easy to be over-cautious if you were in his position, so I have to believe it is as much of shock to him as anyone that he was targeted.
If that was the case I’m sure he’d have conveyed his related altitude to the daughter who still wants to go home to Russia, according to Mark Urban.
Sergei Skripal never feared Russian reprisals because he knows that it would be against Russia’s interest to carry out such reprisals, as well as futile. If Russia knocked off a spy who was a few years short of release from a prison sentence then why would any captured spy want to be swapped if it means they would be killed? How would Russia then get back it’s captured spys?
It appears to be an unwritten law that you do not touch spies that have been exchanged.
Kinda cuts into your own interests, in the end.
The symptoms of all the victims echo in ways the synthetic drug spice. GW Pharmaceuticals research cannabis at Porton Down. Or maybe porton down has its own would-be serial killer. MMO. I await the black helicopter.
Presumably Salisbury is the main dormitory town for Porton Down. Say a disenchanted chemist with a screw loose wanted to indulge in a little serial murder to sate their sick urges. Who better to start with than the old Russian geezer in a city in name only where a little research would reveal that he was ex GRU.
I’m sure that thought would have crossed a lot of peoples minds, Vivian.
“a lot of people’s” excluding the MSM in its entirety.
The term ‘Spice’ is a lot like the term ‘Novichock’. It is a lazy shorthand for covering multiple substances. There was once a cannabinoid product called ‘Spice’, and this term got repeatedly used by lazy journalists to mean any one of over a hundred different ‘legal highs’. Now any synthetically produced drug is called ‘Spice’, whether it is a cannabinoid, an opioid, related to cocaine, LSD, Ecstasy etc. etc.
“Now any synthetically produced drug…” -> ” Now any synthetically produced analogue…”
“Spice” was the drug at the heart of the plot in Dune, by Frank Herbert, which provided for health, long life and enhanced perception:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melange_(fictional_drug)
Agreed, journalists are lazy. Some wag referred to Mephedrone as “meow meow” as a joke, it got picked up some a tabloid rag, and referred thereafter as if this was the ‘street name’ :
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mephedrone
Trowbridge, the issue was whether Connally was directly in front of JFK or in front and to the side. It mattered because of the odd claims about the possible trajectory of a single bullet. If he were to the side only, he would have been sitting next to Kennedy or on the pavement. The Warren Commission had multiple objectives, not publicly involving the Cubans and Russians among them.
It was a foregone conclusion that the convenient Oswald did it alone, rather like Ms. May’s contention that the Russians “did it” twice now in Salisbury. The MSM is in full-on agreement with Ms. May’s claims, regardless of the lack of disclosed evidence.
The idea that there has been nothing new on the assassination since the Warren Commission completed its work is fatuous. It is also the MSM’s contention, just as it follows Mays claims regarding Salisbury. What’s clear, given the disappearance of physical evidence and the failure to declassify documents after 55 years, is that there is still much to hide. The same is likely to be true regarding these claimed nerve agent attacks.
Connally was sitting enough in front of JFK so that when Mafioso Richard Cain shot the unsighted Manlicker-Carcano ordered for an alias of LHO he hit Connally because it fired bullets low and to the right.
The Magic bullet was just to make up for the unaccounted ones from the other assassins..
Should have written the unsighted rifle fired high and to the right.
“Asked whether Russia could be responsible, [UK Security Minister Ben] Wallace said: “Based on the evidence we had at the time of the Skripal attack, the knowledge they [Russia] had developed novichok, they had explored assassination programmes in the past, they had motive, form and stated policy, we would still assert to a very high assurance that the Russian state was behind the original attack.”
Someone who believed what he said would have said, “Yes.”
Wallace’s legalistic answer to whether Russia “could” have been responsible for the Skripal attack (and, impliedly, for this most recent trauma) – not whether they “were” responsible – and his careful use of the past tense, suggests he’s a practiced liar and that he’s practicing here.
Why do the American people put up with “representatives” like this?
You’re deluded Craig, this is a dastardly Ruski plot to sap and impurify our precious bodily fluids. They have bungled again because their Novichok isn’t designed to cope with people full of saturated fats and alcohol.
The whole nation has turned into a jerry springer show audience being wound up by the markurbans/jocoburns/fionabruces/janestandleys. They must be observing us dumb jeremy kyle subjects and audience with utmost chosenitis, and cracking private grassy knoll jokes like a netanyahu in the knesset.
I went to an illustrated talk this afternoon given by an art historian on the use of light in painting throughout the ages and the interpretation of Lumen and ‘luce’ by different artists.
The Use of Light.
Quite topically this painting came up for discussion.
‘Salisbury Cathedral From The Meadows’ by John Constable, 1831.
‘There is a pot of gold at the end of the rainbow’. Constable’s wife had just died and he was bereft of her. He saw the rainbow as a message about ascension from earth to heaven.
https://artsandculture.google.com/asset/salisbury-cathedral-from-the-meadows/NwF6EQxOl66vRQ?hl=en-GB
The stories being inconsistent is part of the psyop, in my opinion. Crazy-making by intention from the Few.
According to analysis by Adam Carter (UK), there should be more CCTV coverage of that couple:
” the only footage that was released was that recorded by Snap Fitness. Other CCTV cameras were present in Market Walk as well as covering both of the entrances/exits either side. In other words, the big red bag the woman was carrying should have stood out considerably in multiple pieces of surveillance footage.”
https://disobedientmedia.com/2018/06/on-the-skripal-poisoning-case-and-the-questions-it-leaves-unanswered/
I still say the BBC news along with media should be renamed tales from the riverbank
As with Blair and Bush, they are merely presenting the politicians as demigods and allowing us to make up our own minds.
On the Parliament channel just now, a repeat of ‘So you want to be a Secretary of State’ – June 2016
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-politics-36562450/how-to-be-a-secretary-of-state 5 mins
Some old war horses (and warmongers like Straw, Thatcher and Reid) speak. Miliband. Howard. Heseltine. etc etc and an old favourite on here, Liam Fox.
I’m a royalist and I am British. And I am happy with that. I like our constitutional monarchy.
I intensely dislike, however the lies of the security services who are supposed to be protecting this country and the lies and deceit of a corrupt government.
I feel that it is a reasonable possibility that arms manufacturers have placed people in strategic positions in government and the security services with the brief that they are to do whatever is necessary to provide a pretext for major increases in military spending. In this regard we – like the rest of the world – lag far behind the United States.
Greed has no limit and no conscience.
I am now resigned to the belief that they will not stop this appalling lie until they are satisfied that enough of the population have bought into it. They will be mounting other psy-ops this year, of that I am sure.
There will always be intelligent and honest people with sufficient reasoning skills to see through all this, but they are not worried about that. Propaganda is a percentages game. So long as enough people buy into this nonsense they will have achieved their objective.
If it were up to me, the leaders of MI5, MI6, GCHQ, the Defence Minister, the Foreign Secretary and the Prime Minister would stand trial for treason over this. Sadly the death penalty is no longer an option for the law. These people are putting this country – the United Kingdom – and it’s people in grave danger and for their own selfish ends.
Royalty stench makes.
You’re being irrational in your royalist being.
Get well soon.
So far at half-time it’s been a lively match match between the Conspiracy Loons and the Useful Idiots. CL have definitely had most of the ball, helped by a huge home advantage, and UI have been shaky in defence, with few signs of attacking play, but some of their best players appear to be resting and may come on in the 2nd half. There have been a few flashes of brilliance, but I can’t imagine side getting a result since not only have the goalposts been moved, they’ve been hidden away entirely and no-one really knows what’s going on.
This theory about the park on Thursday has a massive hole. How could police know the syringe wasn’t picked up any time in the last four months?
It seems odd a registered user would pick up a used syringe when they get them for nothing.
We are being asked to believe they either used it immediately on finding it or kept it in a collection of old syringes and only used it on Friday.
Completely nonsensical. Even the journos sounded incredulous.
Having known several long-time heroin addicts I can tell you it is UNTHINKABLE that they would pick up a syringe in the street. Reason? They knew too many people who got AIDS or Hepatitus from syringes previously used by a friend. It if is a syringe used by God knows who, they won’t go anywhere near it, let alone touch it.
Four days elapsed before this charade emerged into the Public domain. Neighbours were told by the Police that the reason why there was a large presence of Police and Ambulances on Saturday that there had been a gas leak.
Yes that intrugues me too. What was the thinking that led to multiple lies being told to cover the direction of the investigation? There were also reports in the Salisbury Journal on Monday of the police asking illicit drug users to be on guard against tainted drugs which had caused the illnesses in Sturgess and Rowley. But neighbours said that on Saturday evening teams, wearing green contamination suits, arrived at the scene and shut down roads in the area. So were there two lines of inquiry until Porton Down confirmed the presence of Novichok? Were they being extra-cautious and not wanting to unduly alarm the public until they knew for sure what they were dealing with, while at the same time covering all bases? Or were they making sure that they had control of the story before it became public? Did they want to make certain the narrative and the evidence would sync neatly before they went public?
Dumbkopf Englanders you av seen our Novitsjok Mark I activate by beer and pizza now Novitsjok Mark II activate by Family Funday ‘otdog. Now ve av developed Novitsjok Mark III activate by Tournedos Rossini.
Vair oh vair to beta-test? Chequers?