UPDATE
I am prepared to acknowledge that, given the gate design, they could have passed through different gates in exact synchronicity and this may be a red herring. I am leaving this post up here as it is good to acknowledge mistakes. Please read my updated post Skripals – The Mystery Deepens
Russia has developed an astonishing new technology enabling its secret agents to occupy precisely the same space at precisely the same time.
These CCTV images released by Scotland yard today allegedly show Alexander Petrov and Ruslan Boshirov both occupying exactly the same space at Gatwick airport at precisely the same second. 16.22.43 on 2 March 2018. Note neither photo shows the other following less than a second behind.
There is no physically possible explanation for this. You can see ten yards behind each of them, and neither has anybody behind for at least ten yards. Yet they were both photographed in the same spot at the same second.
The only possible explanations are:
1) One of the two is travelling faster than Usain Bolt can sprint
2) Scotland Yard has issued doctored CCTV images/timeline.
I am going with the Met issuing doctored images.
UPDATE
A number of people have pointed out a third logical possibility, that the photographs are not of the same place and they are coming through different though completely identical entry channels. The problem with that is the extreme synchronicity. You can see from the photos that the channel(s) are enclosed and quite long, and they would have had to enter different entrances to the channels. So it is remarkable they were at exactly the same point at the same time. Especially as one of them appears to be holding (wheeled?) luggage and one has only a shoulder bag.
I have traveled through Gatwick many times but cannot call to mind precisely where they are. Can anybody pinpoint the precise place in the airport? Before or after passport control? Before or after baggage collection? Before or after customs? The only part of the airport this looks like to me is shortly after leaving the plane after the bridge, and before joining the main gangway to passport control – in which case passengers are not split into separated channels at the stage this was taken. I can’t recall any close corridors as long as this after passport control. But I am open to correction.
Please read my updated post Skripals – The Mystery Deepens
Photographs of two innocent men. Neither has been found guilty in a court of law so is innocent of any crime.
It could be simple police stupidity not to change the time and make the photos look more genuine.
The other thing that gets to me about this whole story is where is the proof? ok we are supposed to believe that traces of novichok were found in the hotel they stayed in for two nights …..the whole case rests on this sample which i assume was found by the Porton down guys….who have admitted allready that just walking around the streets of the uk is enough to get minute samples of organo phosphates on your clothes that were messing up their samples in Salisbury….they said it was mainly from weedkiller residues on the streets…….also there must have been two sealed perfume packs because the one in the charity bin in Aylesbury was sealed….so where is the other one……and why does this type of novichok take so long to affect the victim?
Of course our British Government and it’s Agencies are lying about the whole affair but, to make an error of this magnitude, is beyond laughable. It’s like watching ‘Carry on spying’ except without the humour!
You say, ‘Of course our British Government and it’s Agencies are lying about the whole affair’.
‘Of course’ presumably, because in your view there is no other possible alternative.
Do some math. You’ll find there would be a very large number of people involved in such a conspiracy.
Not just ‘government’ and ‘Deep State’ security. But also peripheral groups like Salisbury NHS Foundation Trust and Wiltshire Police.
A very large number of people prepared to risk their livelihoods, pensions and freedom in the event of the’ facts’ coming out
Which they most likely would with such a large and potentially leaky sieve.
But no such ‘facts’ have come out to support your theory.
In spite of the high level of interest from the media and investigative journalists.
Speculation may be fun. And speculation may support your previously held beliefs.
But your speculative theory wouldn’t really hold up in court, as they say, would it …..?
Frozen central time server?
Why is there a second time stamp on one of the images? It’s at the bottom the image with its bottom half cropped out. It looks something like 02 March 2018. Has this image been edited?
I wonder why the police issued these two photos with the obvious mistake. They can’t be that incompetent?
I think it’s a deliberate mistake to encourage conspiracy theories. With mushrooming conspiracy theories, nobody knows what to believe.
Blimey – you’re the undercover avatar for Jed Mercurio, are you not ……?
This article serves as a timely lesson about the overall aims of our governments and their intelligence services – spread so much disinformation that people disbelieve everything. This way, people expend the majority of their time and energy separating fact from fiction, or seeking hidden meaning in the most mundane of press releases.
Furthermore, any erroneous claims made by those seeking the truth are subsequently posited by the establishment as proof positive that anyone asking uncomfortable questions is a mentally unstable conspiracy theorist, not to be taken seriously.
Critical analysis is therefore crucial, and the quality of commentariat on this site provides a deep well of knowledge from which the burden of proof for any claims is set extremely high. The fact that (some) intelligent discussions were conducted within the comments, and amendments made to the article as a result, are both to be commended.
No amount of red herrings should dishearten anyone looking for the truth – not every avenue explored will lead to the destination, but the overall direction of travel is correct IMO.
The truth is that the British Government is involved in this poisoning. Notice all the world of poisoning in some way connected with Britain. Whether it’s the war in Iraq, or white helmets in Syria. As if to commit murder of the person there are no other ways. And in General in what logic to kill the pensioner who lived and worked in Russia more than 20 years ago? All he knew was that no one is interested.
Nikita, you’re talking rubbish. Just because he is a pensioner does not mean he is a risk to Russian national security if he was to collide with British government – I think you need to research the Skripals and maybe you will understand why Russia wanted this man and his daughter dead.
Collude , not collide. You clearly dont know anything about intelligence. The Russians would never have released Skripal if he was of any value. His daughter has not been involved in any intelligence activity and has expressed her desire to return home. If she believed it was her own government why would she want to return; why would she not blame them and claim asylum?
What you are not taking into account is that we know Sergei Skripal travelled abroad regularly and, while not being an active Russian agent anymore, had enough background knowledge to advise other governments on how the structure worked and did. It is possible he got involved in something espionage related or something undercover which upset Russian interests, formal or informal.
Nikita – any possible chance you are speaking on behalf of government of Russian Federation ..?
And you have enough inside information to be able to tell us ‘the truth’.
Why is it that so many people who, in reality, don’t have a clue, claim to know ‘the truth’.
Both pictures are definitely cropped. Why? Usually frames from CCTV are exactly the same background as the camera never moves. Here you have in the one photo a part of the seoiling in the shot, in the other one not. Also if one looks ate the metal barrier that is on both sides of the the person, they are not exactly in the same position as in the other shot. meaning they ARE different locations or edited frames.
https://imgur.com/a/PV7Bhi9
in case you missed it
Incorrect. Its the same location – you can clearly tell by the exact shadow effects. The UK govt should release a control image to show the quality of the camera normally. Those images look too blurred or unfocused to be the real thing.
It’s CCTV in an airport man. Not a photographic studio ……
goo.gl/dvUcYt
https://postimg.cc/image/jk2wvfkd9/
– Left column: with the two men, the red sign is on the right on both images.
– Right column: red signs are on the right hand wall, which fits with the above.
– Right column: no red signs on the left hand wall.
You go through these channels as you enter the main terminal after baggage collection. These channels are not that long as you can clearly see. Probably around 4 metres long. If you have two people walking alongside each other, as people do when they travel together, and they go through two identical parallel channels, they will be entering and exiting these at the same time. It takes less than 3 seconds to walk through them.
I have tried to superimpose the two photos on top of each other – they are not the same place – the camera angle is different. I have tried flipping a photo – they still do not superimpose. They are different corridors. There are lots of tiny differences that you don’t see until one is on top of the other. Perhaps we have never seen these corridors as we are UK citizens and enter through a different channel. Synchronicity doesn’t mean what you think it means.
You would goo.gl/dvUcYt
And I agree with you:
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https://postimg.cc/image/jk2wvfkd9/
– Left column: with the two men, the red sign is on the right on both images.
– Right column: red signs are on the right hand wall, which fits with the above.
– Right column: no red signs on the left hand wall.
You go through these channels as you enter the main terminal after baggage collection. These channels are not that long as you can clearly see. Probably around 4 metres long. If you have two people walking alongside each other, as people do when they travel together, and they go through two identical parallel channels, they will be entering and exiting these at the same time. It takes less than 3 seconds to walk through them.
You can see it must have been different corridors because one picture is tilted with respect to the other. On the top photo the opening behind his head is not vertical, but tilted to the left, whereas in the bottom photo it’s pretty much vertical.
Also the colour balance differs between the two photos.
The most obvious explanation of this is that it is indeed two different corridors and the CCTV camera in one was tilted and the other one wasn’t.
The synchronicity is harder to explain, but if they were walking side by side before and just split to go down two separate corridors then it doesn’t seem all that implausible that they would have carried on walking at the same pace.
Synchronicity doesn’t mean what you think it means.
goo.gl/dvUcYt
https://postimg.cc/image/jk2wvfkd9/
– Left column: with the two men, the red sign is on the right on both images.
– Right column: red signs are on the right hand wall, which fits with the above.
– Right column: no red signs on the left hand wall.
You go through these channels as you enter the main terminal after baggage collection. These channels are not that long as you can clearly see. Probably around 4 metres long. If you have two people walking alongside each other, as people do when they travel together, and they go through two identical parallel channels, they will be entering and exiting these at the same time. It takes less than 3 seconds to walk through them.
At last a logical and rational explanation. The entry openings are a clear giveaway that these are different corridors with CCTV cameras mounted slightly differently..
And yet, so many who claim to have carefully analysed the two images claim it’s the same corridor, that images have been doctored and that it’s all part of a big conspiracy by UK authorities.
You know what i think ……..?
People believe what they want to believe and diddle around with the ‘facts’ accordingly.
I think they may be different because wouldn’t the cctv text be in exactly the same position for each frame it takes as the camera doesn’t need to move left to right as it’s such a narrow corridor. The cctv text frame will always stay in the same place on the monitor and will also show the background as static so for example the P in pause would fall on the vertical line on both photos if it was the same.
Again could have been doctored and the PS artist messed up with their work.
There are always multiple exit gates, so no mystery here!
What about hacking into cctv time control clock and mucking it up by putting exact same second. The time on the footage has been tampered with only explanation.
The only explanation!
Yet another comment by someone who doesn’t really have a clue, but claims to know ‘the truth’ – the only explanation.
It should still be possible to find out what time exactly their plane arrived from Moscow. The time on the screenshot should then relate to the arrival time in some way to give a clue where that location might have been. Why do both pictures say PAUSE?
The plane was scheduled for 15:00. It says Pause, because the playback is paused.
goo.gl/dvUcYt – You go through these channels as you enter the main terminal after baggage collection. These channels are not that long as you can clearly see. Probably around 4 metres long. If you have two people walking alongside each other, as people do when they travel together, and they go through two identical parallel channels, they will be entering and exiting these at the same time. It takes less than 3 seconds to walk through them.
The answer is quite simple. With many surveillance systems one server handles several streams so that a montage of say four locations is joined into a single file. So when you replay the video you are looking for the most convenient time to pause the video and its at this point that the still shot has come about. There are probably a couple other photos of no relevance so therefore only the two have been extracted.
If you look at the top of both cameras, one is different to the other due to positioning. It is not unlikely that they simply looked up the timecode on other cameras and found the other man at that exact time – they would have been split up going to the channels and it is a stretch to say one man HAD to be slower because he had a wheeled case. Put the tin foil hat down 🙂
My theory also tends to agree with this assessment that the photos were photoshopped. This would then support the government statement that we will never be able to prosecute these two because their names are no doubt false as were there passports – if indeed they actually did arrive in this country. We have all seen how scenes can be doctored in certain movies with the technology that now exists. All this ho hah is designed to distract attention from such more serious matters as Brexit for instance.
There is really very little new here apart from some photographs… it still seems dodgy Sergei Skripal is mixed up with handling illicit narcotics for money… probably Fentanyl’s / Carfentanyl or some such similar substance… These powerful synthetic opioid substances are nerve agent’s, and would also meet the definition of “a Novichok”. The Salisbury substances name, chemical family, or chemical family have ever been released. There has never been any official claim that the substance involved in either Amesbury or Salisbury was an Organophosphate, and never been any official denial that the substance was a synthetic opioid. But with two Heroin addicts (one a convicted drug dealer) being affected four months after the Salisbury incident, it’s very likely that the substance involved in both incidents was an illicit synthetic opioid.
We can ignore the arrest warrant issued by the UK state, issuing an international arrest warrant is not any sort of indication of guilt before holding a trial. Spain issued an arrest warrant for President Carlos Puigdemont on charges of Rebellion…. for holding a peaceful non-binding referendum on Catalonian independence… Germany’s courts refused to extradite him because there was no evidence to meet the charge of Rebellion… Lol.
It’s blindingly obvious that two playbacks from two different passages were deliberately paused at the same time to demonstrate that the two people had arrived together. That’s why the timestamps are identical. The suspects are not “in the same place”: they are in slightly different relative positions in two different passages.
RT discussed the suspects this evening, and the aliases they used. They speculated possibly Ukraine involvement as the men have not been identified, from the photos, however the aliases chosen have a joke element, in that the identity chosen for one of them belongs to a man who said on air tonight, that he did not leave the country and is not the man in the photo, but his grandfather was in espionage and was part of a group which had a name which was also used in James Bond fiction – so who could have known this? The name of the other, Petrov, is a popular film hero (spy?) with a new movie out soon. So does this indicate a Russia connection? Is this state sponsored or Russian oligarch funded or international networked? Or could it all just be coincidence? The plot thickens
Hey did you think that it might be easy to conterfeur and circulate images by adding the same time footage rather than the more complicated process of keeping the same time and add people images to the same background? You surely are a genius, my deep congratulations
Russian internet is full of jokes about “Novichok”.
Where’s the carry on hard roller bag one of them is seen departing the airport whilst returning to Russia?
Timeline in Salisbury is also wrong, how can they be near his house then 6 minutes later in sailsbury looking at a coin shop. Which means they must have walked past the train station once, walking into town. Turned around then walked back to the train Station.
I suspect they did arrange to meet him, the meeting was moved or cancelled, they all worked for the same department in Russia. mi5 carried out a fake hit in order to blame Russia to increase pressure over Syria and to drum up Russian hate in the US. It’s probably a CIA based operation, It wasn’t the chemical claimed as this would have killed him within minutes, not 4 hours later causing him to pass out on a bench and still live.
Joe blogs, the timeline is not wrong. You have failed to add on another hour onto your time analysis.
“both suspects on Wilton Road, Salisbury at 11:58hrs on 04 March 2018”
“both suspects on Fisherton Road, Salisbury at 13:05hrs on 04 March 2018”
They walked through identical gates…..at Britains busiest airport……….at the same position………..at exactly the same time….to the second……..hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
For some reason there had to be two assassins, rather than only one, perhaps for dramatic effect and as a result pictures of two people are shown. Except as no one was involved, just a made up story, they thought it expedient and to ease their consciences, to invent a person and show them twice. The picture is of the same person with the picture flipped and some detail added and remove, hence the blurring, but same nose, build and motion, with the identical time stamp thrown in for good measure. Its a provocation really, not just towards the Russians, but to towards the people, who can only now pretend not to see the truth of it all. I.e. its blatant warmongering lies.
There’s nothing magical or mysterious about this photo.
They are entering through the automated doors into arrivals. In both the North and South terminals the international arrivals channels are split into 4 slim lanes to prevent people walking backwards into the Critical Part. They have literally just gone through together in the two lanes next to each other. Nothing magical, nothing mysterious, no ‘impossible photo’, just fairly decent timing; thousands of people/couples do this exact same thing every day. Case closed.
https://goo.gl/dvUcYt
https://postimg.cc/image/jk2wvfkd9/
– Left column: with the two men, the red sign is on the right on both images.
– Right column: red signs are on the right hand wall, which fits with the above.
– Right column: no red signs on the left hand wall.
This dismisses the flipped image theory.
You go through these channels as you enter the main terminal after baggage collection. These channels are not that long as you can clearly see. Probably around 4 metres long. If you have two people walking alongside each other, as people do when they travel together, and they go through two identical parallel channels, they will be entering and exiting these at the same time. It takes less than 3 seconds to walk through them.
Well proven.
The annoying this is that Craig in his update to the article is asking for people to help him analyse, but he seems to be ignoring anything that goes against this conspiracy theory.
It is contrary to the laws of physics that two similar objects can fill the same temporal-spatial zone. When I flew to and from Gatwick with my wife she was always in front and me behind, or vice versa, so again, according to the laws of physics there must have been a time lapse of AT LEAST one second. This possibility must therefore be discounted. So we are left with the second possibility: that said gentlemen exited Gatwick, the UK’s second busiest airport, at exactly synchronized times to the second. Having used Gatwick on a dozen or more occasions since 2006 there was never a time, except on New Year’s or Chrismas Day, that this airport was not busy. There is a remote possibility that the gentlemen in question did exit Gatwick at precisely the same second of the day in question, but the possibility is so remote that it can be ignored for the purposes of serious analysis.
Look at my comment above yours.
Also, if you are walking with someone whilst talking, you are likely to be walking at the same speed. They are also travelling light.
I have just been through these filters after customs at Gatwick. Its perfectly possible, the lanes are absolutely parallel. Itactually makes the images less likely to be fake with such an obvious ‘mistake’.
Of course there is a further explanation of the time stamp business.
The clock would have been running in both cctv views and the police just decided to release stills of the suspects at the same time stamp. In other words it was an editorial decision of the Met.
I came through Gatwick yesterday, north terminal, and looked out for these gates but the exit gates there are not as long as in these pics. So all I can add is that they probably came through the south terminal.