The right wing Ecuadorean government of President Moreno continues to churn out its production line of fake documents regarding Julian Assange, and channel them straight to MI6 mouthpiece Luke Harding of the Guardian.
Amazingly, more Ecuadorean Government documents have just been discovered for the Guardian, this time spy agency reports detailing visits of Paul Manafort and unspecified “Russians” to the Embassy. By a wonderful coincidence of timing, this is the day after Mueller announced that Manafort’s plea deal was over.
The problem with this latest fabrication is that Moreno had already released the visitor logs to the Mueller inquiry. Neither Manafort nor these “Russians” are in the visitor logs.
This is impossible. The visitor logs were not kept by Wikileaks, but by the very strict Ecuadorean security. Nobody was ever admitted without being entered in the logs. The procedure was very thorough. To go in, you had to submit your passport (no other type of document was accepted). A copy of your passport was taken and the passport details entered into the log. Your passport, along with your mobile phone and any other electronic equipment, was retained until you left, along with your bag and coat. I feature in the logs every time I visited.
There were no exceptions. For an exception to be made for Manafort and the “Russians” would have had to be a decision of the Government of Ecuador, not of Wikileaks, and that would be so exceptional the reason for it would surely have been noted in the now leaked supposed Ecuadorean “intelligence report” of the visits. What possible motive would the Ecuadorean government have for facilitating secret unrecorded visits by Paul Manafort? Furthermore it is impossible that the intelligence agency – who were in charge of the security – would not know the identity of these alleged “Russians”.
Previously Harding and the Guardian have published documents faked by the Moreno government regarding a diplomatic appointment to Russia for Assange of which he had no knowledge. Now they follow this up with more documents aimed to provide fictitious evidence to bolster Mueller’s pathetically failed attempt to substantiate the story that Russia deprived Hillary of the Presidency.
My friend William Binney, probably the world’s greatest expert on electronic surveillance, former Technical Director of the NSA, has stated that it is impossible the DNC servers were hacked, the technical evidence shows it was a download to a directly connected memory stick. I knew the US security services were conducting a fake investigation the moment it became clear that the FBI did not even themselves look at the DNC servers, instead accepting a report from the Clinton linked DNC “security consultants” Crowdstrike.
I would love to believe that the fact Julian has never met Manafort is bound to be established. But I fear that state control of propaganda may be such that this massive “Big Lie” will come to enter public consciousness in the same way as the non-existent Russian hack of the DNC servers.
Assange never met Manafort. The DNC emails were downloaded by an insider. Assange never even considered fleeing to Russia. Those are the facts, and I am in a position to give you a personal assurance of them.
I can also assure you that Luke Harding, the Guardian, Washington Post and New York Times have been publishing a stream of deliberate lies, in collusion with the security services.
I am not a fan of Donald Trump. But to see the partisans of the defeated candidate (and a particularly obnoxious defeated candidate) manipulate the security services and the media to create an entirely false public perception, in order to attempt to overturn the result of the US Presidential election, is the most astonishing thing I have witnessed in my lifetime.
Plainly the government of Ecuador is releasing lies about Assange to curry favour with the security establishment of the USA and UK, and to damage Assange’s support prior to expelling him from the Embassy. He will then be extradited from London to the USA on charges of espionage.
Assange is not a whistleblower or a spy – he is the greatest publisher of his age, and has done more to bring the crimes of governments to light than the mainstream media will ever be motivated to achieve. That supposedly great newspaper titles like the Guardian, New York Times and Washington Post are involved in the spreading of lies to damage Assange, and are seeking his imprisonment for publishing state secrets, is clear evidence that the idea of the “liberal media” no longer exists in the new plutocratic age. The press are not on the side of the people, they are an instrument of elite control.
Thank you. The moment I saw “visitors usually must show a passport” but somehow Manafort “snuck in” while the guards were on a cigarette break, I knew Luke Harding was up to his usual lying tricks.
Luke Harding, a modern Julius Streicher.
Like all Western journalists…
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Virtually all of them sociopaths. Harding pure s$cum.
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We know Manafort went to Ecuador.
The Groan already on 3rd version of rowing back – well caught by Off-G’s Kit Knightly who is on a winning streak recently.
https://off-guardian.org/2018/11/27/discuss-the-secret-meetings-of-paul-manafort-julian-assange/
What do you think about the Ukrainian provocation against Russia in the Kerch Strait?
The stupidity involved, smells like Skripal, if you get my notion….
Smells like Babchenko fake death.
Oh, I’ve just recalled better illustration. Douma chemical attack. By the way, any chlorine found? Where are bodies? Any news on that case?
Well done Craig! It totally inconceivable that the Ecuadorian Government did not keep strict control of who and when someone visited Assange. To think otherwise is moronic. Any one keeps tabs on their hot potatoes.
It only Her Majesty’s government of retards and morons that cant keep track of their idiotic and foolish lies, and the subversive acts against legitimate governments. The UK is a Nation of proxy wars and terror, for criminals of this magnitude you dont need judges , just gallows.
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DLA, great stuff.
“ The UK is a Nation of proxy wars and terror, for criminals of this magnitude you dont need judges , just gallows.”
(ed.) UK State/so-called elite. Have to say!
A war crim regime beyond comparison. Most UK lawyers too busy filling offshore bank accounts to be bothered with (obvious) the required criminal/misfeasance indictments.
Arendt. That makes most lawyers complicit or stupefyingly incompetent.
Hey ho!
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Have the logs been published by Mueller?
Good question.
These allegations serve which purpose?
Just to get Assange?
I propose that indicting him/trialing him isn’t so much of a priority anymore; he has been effectively silenced.
Besides, putting him on trial I think is very risky for both Republicans and Democrats. He knows a thing or
two.
If not Assange, then do these fabrications serve Mueller? If they’re fabrications, he’s gonna be on thin ice with
them, presuming he would know they are fabrications.
Has he or his office made statements yet, regarding this ‘news’?
The very definition of ‘fake news’, from the same Guardian that still hand-wrings daily over the Leave campaign peddling misinformation.
You have to wonder what collective madness is still driving this. All polling showed the issue of Russian collusion barely registered as an issue for US voters during the elections earlier this month.
The Hoi Polloi are not important and can continue eating corn dogs.
This is The Ruling Class having a power struggle. It is what Plato thought essential pre-requisite for Revolution, a split in the ruling elite.
Donald Trump was a Democrat and funded Hillary Clinton for years – he is also a Property Developer with a major credibility problem with bank lenders, much like his son-in-law. Trump has used high profile image to keep ahead of the game….like Elon Musk and other Showmen….to keep the bailiffs at bay. Trump funded his projects with Brighton Beach laundry which is fine because US AML regulations on real estate are nugatory. Trump has a huge loan book at Deutsche Bank…….the same Deutsche Bank which was stuffed full of Real-Estate CMOs and Derivatives……and the same Deutsche Bank flooded with Money Laundering through Danske and the Baltic and with a shady track record in Moscow.
Deutsche is THE Systematic Risk to the global financial system with “assets” which register as “liabilities” equal to 47% German GDP.
So what is going on is the basis of how the USA kept the wheels spinning for the past 20 years and how the Financial Collapse came in 2007 rather than 1990s………
Assange has to be smuggled out of there somehow. There’s no way that he’ll walk out of there a free man. I was thinking maybe send in a look a like or body double and he walks out, something like that.
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I have been pondering that idea for many months, how can it be done.. Thanks to Craig we are informed that it can’t be done.. As an outdoor type, I shudder to imagine the Torture Juliain is going through
I sympathize with your wishful thinking. But I think we’re too readily influenced by the genre of “Mission Impossible” films and TV programs that depict clever and ingenious black ops.
Perhaps a coordinated and determined mob could storm the Ecuadorian Embassy, as the Bastille was reportedly stormed, and literally sweep away the heavy police security. A disguised Assange might be able to be spirited away, especially if the mob included Assange look-alikes.
But, even if the London police are incompetent and inept, it stands to reason that UK law-enforcement and state-security agencies keep constant and redundant watch on the Embassy.
Furthermore, it is obvious that Lenin “The Jailor of Mordor” Moreno has turned the embassy into a prison; embassy staff surely includes (as Craig informs us) Ecuadorian security agents and officers hostile to Assange. Assange would have to be ready, willing, and able to play an active role in his liberation, and it’s far too likely that he would be detected and betrayed by his hosts.
Given all of the above, it’s hard to envision successfully planning and executing this type of rescue. But it’s a comforting dream.
Manafort ripped off Oleg Deripaska for around $60 million and stuffed it into accounts in the Caribbean. Deripaska who entertains such friends as Mandelson and Osborne on his yacht in the distant past, was married to the granddaughter of the Kleptocrat Boris Yeltsin.
Manafort as an “adviser” for a Ukrainian gangster Rinat Akhmetov who Wikipedia describes thus: “Released in a WikiLeaks diplomatic cable, Volodymyr Horbulin, one of Ukraine’s most respected policy strategists and former presidential advisor, told the U.S. Ambassador to Ukraine in 2006 that the Party of Regions, which “enjoyed deep pockets, being largely financed by billionaire Donetsk boss Rinat Akhmetov” is partly composed of “pure criminals” and “criminal and anti-democracy figures”.[38] In a U.S. diplomatic cable dated 3 February 2006, then U.S. Ambassador John Herbst referred to Akhmetov’s Party of Regions as “long a haven for Donetsk-based mobsters and oligarchs” and called Akhmetov the “godfather” of the Donetsk clan”
FBI tried to turn Deripaska. He is currently engaged in one of his 65 lawsuits in London and as John Helmer (currently being hit with DDOS attack) reports……http://johnhelmer.online/?p=18287#more-18287
Private Eye seems to be raising a 2 year old lawsuit as the US seeks to hit Deripaska in London by inducing the UK to squeeze him.
SO whatever game is being played with Assange is nothing to do with DNC Servers and much to do with Oleg Deripaska and Ukrainian Mafias which funded the Clinton Foundation inter alia. The Western Banking System did not collapse in 1990 but in 2008 BECAUSE it had so much Russian and Ukrainian and Chinese Mafia Loot floating around to be laundered through Deutsche Bank and HSBC and strange groups in Cyprus, Moldova, Estonia – and into real estate in USA and Turkey as no doubt Donald Trump could testify
my I cannot read ! 95 lawsuits since 2005 not 62
So ….
Trump hires Manafort as campaign manager. Manafort (conveniently) has a checkered past. Mueller uses that checkered past to pressure Manafort to plea – and to be a witness against Assange?
Is Manafort now resisting false witness against Assange? Thus Mueller turns on him?
When you consider the many and longstanding connections between principal players – Clintons-Trump, Clintons-Obama, Hillary-McCain, CIA-Bushes, CIA-Clintons (rumored), Clintons-Mueller-Comey, etc. – you have to wonder if the fix is in.
Did Trump hire Manafort ?
I mean Trump never expected to win. He took on Manafort from March to August 2016, but I bet Manafort offered himself and Trump who ran a chaotic campaign probably said yes but Manfort was only “informally” in place.
Personally I think Manafort wanted protection and hooked up so the Clinton Team could not get him since Hillary was being funded by Ukrainian gangster Viktor Pinchuk.
Truth is BOTH candidates were funded with Mafia Money.
As for interference in the Election it was our friends at SIS working with Brennan who created the Russian Scare in a sort of 21st Century Zinoviev Letter. –
“Trump never expected to win.”
Trump and the Clintons were close for many years.
Hillary told media to focus on Trump during the primaries (free publicity for Trump).
Hillary snubbed the Sanders progressives by bringing disgraced DNC Chairwomen Debra Wasserman Schultz into her campaign and selecting Tim Kaine as her running mate. She alienated middle-of-the-road whites by championing the Obama legacy and with her “deplorables” comment. Hillary didn’t campaign in 3 crucial states. Such obvious “mistakes” a seasoned politician and campaigner – but political neophyte Trump did everything right? Example: Why did no other Republican candidate (there were 18 others!) campaign as a populist?
During the campaign, Trump said that if he won he would instruct his Justice Department to investigate Hillary, but after winning the Presidency Trump said he WOULDN’T prosecute Hillary, saying: the Clintons have been through enough.
We already know that Hillary colluded with DNC against Sanders (a fact that merely masks Sanders ‘sheepdogging’ for Hillary) – why should we not consider if Hillary threw the race to Trump?
https://blackagendareport.com/bernie-sanders-sheepdog-4-hillary
https://caitlinjohnstone.com/2018/09/06/we-are-being-played/
“Did you know that Donald Trump is in the WWE Hall of Fame? He was inducted in 2013, and he’s been enthusiastically involved in pro wrestling for many years, both as a fan and as a performer. He’s made more of a study on how to draw a crowd in to the theatrics of a choreographed fight scene than anyone this side of the McMahon family (a member of whom happens to be part of the Trump administration currently).
You don’t have to get into any deep conspiratorial rabbit hole to consider the possibility that all this drama and conflict is staged from top to bottom. Commentators on all sides routinely crack jokes about how the mainstream media pretends to attack Trump but secretly loves him because he brings them amazing ratings. Anyone with their eyes even part way open already knows that America’s two mainstream parties feign intense hatred for one another while working together to pace their respective bases into accepting more and more neoliberal exploitation at home and more and more neoconservative bloodshed abroad. They spit and snarl and shake their fists at each other, then cuddle up and share candy when it’s time for a public gathering. Why should this administration be any different?”
My understanding Manafort was on the bounce from a nervous breakdown and offered his services to Trump FOC. The breakdown was triggered by an existing FBI investigation into tax evasion / payment for goods and services in the US from offshore accounts.
When pondering whether to volunteer his services to Trump, Manafort sought advice from old acquaintances (Rodger Stone?) and was told to hold off as his new, elevated profile would reconstitute the shelved tax evasion probe. Manafort being the habitual risk taker took the bold option.
Are not these snake oil salesmen, Harding in London and Collyns in Quito, vile? Viner too.
Moral pygmies cf Julian, a decent and honourable man, locked away in the Embassy for six years now.
I see there is yet more slime in the rag
https://amp.theguardian.com/media/2018/nov/27/julian-assange-unseal-charges-virginia-wikileaks
BellEndPussies.
A self satisfying machine – if you get my meaning!
All commentators still in the Guardian ought to be calling the lying liars out.
In light of this I wonder how long before they kick Assange out of the embassy, and into the hands of the Met? And from there on in its all downhill for him.
I wonder if Assange has any stashed away info to barter with, I hope he does.
https://www.newssniffer.co.uk/articles/1706143/diff/0/1
One of the occasions when you just have to laugh at them.
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Except if your name is Assange. A true hero.
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I have not opened the links but these RT articles might be of interest.
Wikileaks betting ‘$1mn & editor’s head’ against Guardian claims that Manafort met Assange
After the Guardian released an anonymously-sourced report on Trump campaign manager Paul Manafort’s alleged meetings with Julian Assange, Wikileaks says it was asked for comment, but its denial was not included in the article.
27 November 2018
https://www.rt.com/news/444995-assange-manafort-wikileaks-guardian/
All the Kremlin’s men: Farage, Moscow and six degrees of Kevin Bacon
I’ve noticed some journalism recently that owes a debt to the game Six Degrees of Kevin Bacon. Random links are assembled Watergate-style, and it’s often pretty believable … until you get to a subject you know a bit about.
27 November 2018
https://www.rt.com/op-ed/444976-nigel-farage-kremlin-russia/
Schrodinger’s indictment? US prosecutors oppose unsealing presumably nonexistent Assange charge
Federal prosecutors are trying to contain the damage after a filing error disclosed the existence of a sealed indictment against Julian Assange, but their refusal to admit the charges exist lends the proceedings a Kafkaesque air.
27 November 2018
https://www.rt.com/usa/444935-prosecutors-oppose-unsealing-assange/
I posted this here the other day, I thought you lot would be all over it. It basically confirms all your suspicions but no one seems to have picked up on it.
Charles Shoebridge reports that anonymous have got hold of a leak that incriminates, amongst others, bill Browder and Murrayites favourite, David Aaronovich as Mi6 agents.
https://twitter.com/shoebridgec/status/1066080476404822017?s=21
Opps…look like Manafort used a fake passport to go to Ecuador
https://www.cnn.com/2017/10/31/politics/manafort-3-passports/index.html
Do you think Viner is a MI5 operative?
No, Ms Viner is not a MI5 Operative, she’s an Agency Asset used to disseminate a huge pile of disinformation. The Guardian was bad enough under Rushbriger, but Viner and Freedland are a walking disaster area who have damaged the reputation of The Guardian beyond rehabilitation – thank God for Blogs and Social media.
The premise of this article is so dumb, I can’t believe you rubes actually believe it. 22.7 mbs isn’t fast ….
Before accusing others of stupidity, perhaps you should have read the original report (https://consortiumnews.com/2017/07/24/intel-vets-challenge-russia-hack-evidence/): it’s MB/s, not mb/s, dummy.
“What” is a technical genius.
“What” states that “22.7 mbs isn’t fast”.
As a brilliant technocrat (probably Pootines eeville red right hand), “What” uses the term mbs.
And as a technocrat “What knows the SI Units and that that mbs = milli bits / second.
Thus it is true that 0.0227 bits / second is “not fast”.
How brilliant is that.
After all, what would Binney know.
On the other hand, “mbs” may refer to the aconym used to describe the Sordid Barbarian clown prince (aka MBS).
Based on MBS’s stature, one MBS doesn’t look too fast, thus can’t imagine that 22.7 muliples of MBS would be much faster. Now that’s off on a tangent. Focus…..
22.7 MB/s is equivalent to having an interent connection of 181.6Mbps.
The average download speed in the US is 25.86Mbps, which is the equivalent of 3.23MB/s.
Now can you see why the claim is so outrageous? Plus, if there really was a hack via the interent, the NSA would have a record of it. They have never produced any evidence for it (because they don’t have any) and this is why when the infamous report came out that said 17 intelligence agencies (it was only 3 – CIA, FBI + NSA) have “high confidence” it was a Russian hack, the NSA could only say they had “moderate confidence” it was a Russian hack.
“The CIA and FBI conclude that the hack was designed to help Trump “with high confidence,” whereas the NSA does so only with “moderate confidence.” …….The NSA is responsible for what’s called “signals intelligence”: electronic intercepts, email surveillance, and so forth.”
– https://www.vox.com/world/2017/1/6/14194986/russia-hack-intelligence-report-election-trump
Chris Hedges and Joe Lauria, are joined by Juliain’s mum Christine in this video –
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_hyZktgMp4Q&t=965s
I was just going to post a link to the Chris Hedges interview myself. He really is an excellent interviewer and commentator and publishes on RT regularly here: https://www.rt.com/shows/on-contact/
Surely our beloved guardian has our back?
I couldn’t sit down properly for months the last time they got my back.
It hurts, I know.
Here’s a plan, if Venezuela could be persuaded to come on board very soon. The only problem is I’m not sure of the distance, and if Assange could cover it quick enough from the Ecuadorian embassy at Hans Crescent, to the Venezuelan embassy at Cromwell road.
Knightsbridge to Kensington. Doable or not?
Afraid not RoS
I have come to the Conclusion, that Only a Mass storming of the embassy will work.
How many people are needed to storm the Rectuadorian embassy?
Possible answer: one old age Bruce Lee fanatic and a well timed helicopter…..?
indeed Nevermind.. Calls for Ninja mode, poison darts, eggs filled with broken glass.. you got my back, Craig can arrange the chopper
Don’t actually need to storm. A very large rowdy crowd outside for him to walk out into… everyone wears the Guy Fawkes masks nowadays. ..
You’d have to be careful of informants in a crowd.
How about digging a tunnel?
Re Mass storming.
It did occur to me that if sufficient Assange lookalikes could surround the embassy, he might be smuggled out that way, in the confusion…
With a very big crowd round him I think it’s very doable.
All that’s required is a big crowd and a disguise.
I suggest they all wear Julian Assange masks (which I’m sure I’ve seen his supporters wearing in the past) including Julian himself.
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Every reason for Assange to be appointed a Venezuelan diplomatic rep.
Also, if U.N. wasn’t full of wannabees and status seekers, Assange must be given U.N. diplomatic status in recognition of his work for the 99%. (And toss war crim Bliar aside so he can be arrested; strange how UK regime go after the wrong man, isn’t it?!)
Anyone see difficulties with this?
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How and why did The Guardian become such a rag?
Craig, did you ever respond to Luke Harding’s comment here some months back when you called him out on another topic?
The Guardian went over to the other side, the day they smashed the information stored on the computers and hard drives entrusted to them by Edward Snowden.
I wonder how it would have panned out if Snowden had given the information to wiki leaks instead…_
I am not a fan of Donald Trump. But to see the partisans of the defeated candidate (and a particularly obnoxious defeated candidate) manipulate the security services and the media to create an entirely false public perception, in order to attempt to overturn the result of the US Presidential election, is the most astonishing thing I have witnessed in my lifetime.
It could be argued that this whole charade actually benefits the Trump project through continually turning up the contrast on his image as ‘populist’ or ‘outsider’ or ‘opposer of the deep state’…
I don’t think things are so partisan at the top.
Of course there’s a panic – it’s called Corbyn
British security services would themselves, surely, have filmed and noted everyone going into and out of the embassy since the beginning of Assange’s asylum claim.
One that is almost more obsessed with spreading lies and rumours are Carole Cadwalladr, just check her twitter account. 24-7 spamming of conspiracy theories.
https://twitter.com/carolecadwalla
Like the female version of Harding.
British intelligence, and therefore HMG, must be heavily implicated in the attempts to rig the US election in Hillary’s favour ?
It would be nice to see it all come out but I doubt it will. All the while it remains in the realms of conspiracy for the public, it remains a huge implement attached to the testicles of the UK government, which the yanks can twist at leisure.
As for any revelations coming out of the USA regarding the efforts to tilt the table, it seems the enforcement organs of America are so chock full of place men, that one might imagine that they have been completely ‘Captured’ by political interests.
So a situation analogous to Hitler being investigated by the GEheimeSTAatsPOlizei, or maybe Stalin, or Brezhnev, being investigated by the KGB. With of course the Volkisher Beobachter, or Pravda, proclaiming the complete innocence of the parties.
Clearly such things are not meant to occur in ‘Free’ or ‘Democratic’ societies.
So a situation analogous to Hitler being investigated by the GEheimeSTAatsPOlizei, or maybe Stalin, or Brezhnev, being investigated by the KGB
Not really. More akin to Hitler being an Army Undercover Agent infiltrating the German Workers Party under Anton Drexler in Munich……..or Josef Stalin being an Undercover Agent of the Okhrana, the Tsarist Secret Police……….funnily enough both examples are factual
Why do you assume manipulation was in Hillary’s favour and not Trump’s?
The Steele dossier had virtually no effect on the Election. It was used AFTER the election as an excuse for Trump to follow neocon foreign policy. Faux populists like Obama and Trump need an excuse to betray the the people.
Cambridge Analytica
Why did they turn to a British firm? We later discovered that Facebook had provided similar access to dozen of firms (including American firms). It would need to be British if it were a CIA-MI6 op to influence the election or at least provide a reason for Trump’s (certain) win of the electoral college.
Given the above, what to make of the leaking of DNC emails to Wikileaks? The US insists it was a Russian “hack” provided to Wikileaks (as Russian agent) but, as Craig notes, this story has been debunked by William Binney and others. But USA was gunning for Wikileaks and Russia for a long time. The fake anti-Russia angle was prepared long before the DNC emails were leaked. So, it’s reasonable to question if the leak is part of the anti-Russia psyop. ‘Seth Rich’ has been memory-holed. No one close to him has raised questions based on William Binney’s analysis. Strange.
”Why do you assume manipulation was in Hillary’s favour and not Trump’s?”
I’m working on the assumption that Trump was meant to lose ? When in the 3 months prior to the election he became an unexpectedly viable candidate, those who had set themselves up for the nasty woman winning, likely felt compelled to pitch in and help her effort simply because she was still expected to win, and the fear of her displeasure motivated compliance.
The Guardian is a strange anomaly of a newspaper, which purports to offer a perspective on politics at odds with the official line, but instead has diverged from objectivity in a less than straight line. Perhaps some light is shed on this dilemma in this interview with former editor, Alan Rusbridger. In particular the last ten minutes. He defines the quandary he perceived the press to be in as risk averse to ‘national interest’ as defined in the form of the current standpoint of the ruling political party. He enjoyed the privilege of having access to the facts which he declined to share due to factors which he touches on here.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=LXU8EWK0hXQ
“I am not a fan of Donald Trump. But to see the partisans of the defeated candidate (and a particularly obnoxious defeated candidate) manipulate the security services and the media to create an entirely false public perception, in order to attempt to overturn the result of the US Presidential election, is the most astonishing thing I have witnessed in my lifetime.”
Is there any UK mainstream news outlet on this narrative? No, of course not. It’s not being reported here, but the above is the truth. Whether it will ever be forced into the public’s eye is another matter.
So why not? The other truth is that the UK was also instrumental in the abuses and illegality against the Trump campaign and presidency.
A co-conspirator as it were – just a theory I know.
“But to see the partisans of the defeated candidate (and a particularly obnoxious defeated candidate) manipulate the security services and the media to create an entirely false public perception, in order to attempt to overturn the result of the US Presidential election, is the most astonishing thing I have witnessed in my lifetime.”
And almost on a par with that is the fact that so many Americans have fallen for it. That they are this gullible beggars belief.
We are, on the island of Great Britain, perhaps not far behind the Americans in this regard.
I think, however – from what I am able to piece together – that our home grown spy agencies are at least in part responsible for Russiagate. I note that you assign responsibility to the American media, but our own MI are also eagerly promoting this are they not? Aided and abetted perhaps most notably by the Guardian and the Times.
Is it the media, or Military Intelligence (the deep state) that is responsible for this rampant Russophobia? Or is it just a case of the chicken and the egg?
I knew I shouldn’t have had that second glass of rose … you blame the partisans of HC for Russigate and not the media, but in other regards my question remains. Is it those partisans or our own military intelligence agencies who are ultimately responsible for Russiagate?
You’re right, the media etc are not being manipulated by partisans – they are partisans.
Have to say, I find the things not talked about here as telling as the things that are. There seems to be a lot bubbling just below the surface.
‘I think, however – from what I am able to piece together – that our home grown spy agencies are at least in part responsible for Russiagate. I note that you assign responsibility to the American media, but our own MI are also eagerly promoting this are they not?’
There’s a vast amount of circumstantial evidence available that says you’re right, but the media mostly refuse to talk about it. I think the dam will break soon
How do we know how many people have fallen for it? Are there reliable sources on this?
‘I would love to believe that the fact Julian has never met Manafort is bound to be established. But I fear that state control of propaganda may be such that this massive “Big Lie” will come to enter public consciousness in the same way as the non-existent Russian hack of the DNC servers.’
It looks like people aren’t falling for the lie this time. I’m curious whether people think Trump’s campaign against what he calls fake news can take any credit for the the Big Lie hopefully falling flat on it’s arse this time?
Craig as you have connections in Europe perhaps you will have encountered the writer of this linked piece. He declares himself to be an American former DOJ employee who is under the protection of EU / Belgian security. Primerily it concerns the alleged illegal activity of Robert Muller and in part aided by the Guardian.
https://www.docdroid.net/eVAAjIq/doj-ig-memo-mueller-bribery-extortion.pdf
What a god-awful forgery! Or is it meant to be a parody?