Brexit has revealed further the rottenness of the British political Establishment, but I am still truly shocked now to see the Government of the United Kingdom negotiating a major international treaty on the acknowledged, discussed and now published basis that it has every intention of breaking that treaty once it is in force. Officially published by the Attorney General, no less.
The Westminster Government’s contempt for international law was fully demonstrated just two weeks ago when it repudiated the International Court of Justice – an act which is the ultimate disavowal of the rule of international law – over the decolonisation of the Chagos Islands. So in one sense it is no shock that they are prepared to sign a treaty with no intention of honoring it.
But what is quite astonishing is that the discussions with the DUP and ERG on how to sign up to the backstop and then dishonour it, have been carried out fully in public, and with the potential other party to the treaty looking on.
I simply do not see how the EU can now sign the Withdrawal Agreement which was negotiated with May, when they have been given firm evidence that the UK intends to cheat on that Agreement.
I especially cannot understand the pusillanimous attitude of the government of Ireland to this development. The UK has published in advance that it is taking Ireland and the Irish people for fools and has no intention of keeping to the Irish backstop. The reaction of the Government of Ireland is to pretend not to notice. That is an astonishing dereliction of its duty to the people of Ireland, North and South.
The more so as Geoffrey Cox’s “advice” is an unsubtle hint to the DUP, should the backstop become effective, to restart the Loyalist violence with which they were for decades so closely associated, in order to provide the pretext for cancelling the backstop. In reading this, it is essential to remember that this legal advice was written, as a matter of definite fact, directly for the DUP audience to try and influence the DUP in the next “meaningful” vote. To signal to an organisation as steeped in blood as the DUP that the way out of the “Backstop” arrangement which they so hate, would be to demonstrate it is having a “socially destabilising effect in Northern Ireland”, clearly gives a very direct incentive to Loyalists to restart violence.
Anybody who knows anything about the history and politics of Northern Ireland must be aware that what I have just written is true. At the very best reading, Cox’s “advice” is grossly irresponsible and reckless.
It is also very poor legal advice. Unlike Geoffrey Cox, I have actually negotiated a number of international treaties, including most of the UK’s continental shelf boundary agreements, the Protocol on Deep Seabed Mining to UNCLOS and the Sierra Leone Peace Agreement. Cox’s interpretation of Article 62 of the Vienna Convention on Treaties is complete nonsense. To start with, Article 62 is designed not to facilitate but to prevent treaties being dishonoured under the excuse of “unforseen circumstances”. It reads:
Article 62
Fundamental change of circumstances
1. A fundamental change of circumstances which has occurred with regard to those existing at the
time of the conclusion of a treaty, and which was not foreseen by the parties, may not be invoked as a
ground for terminating or withdrawing from the treaty unless:
(a) the existence of those circumstances constituted an essential basis of the consent of the parties to
be bound by the treaty; and
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(b) the effect of the change is radically to transform the extent of obligations still to be performed
under the treaty.
2. A fundamental change of circumstances may not be invoked as a ground for terminating or
withdrawing from a treaty:
(a) if the treaty establishes a boundary; or
(b) if the fundamental change is the result of a breach by the party invoking it either of an obligation
under the treaty or of any other international obligation owed to any other party to the treaty.
3. If, under the foregoing paragraphs, a party may invoke a fundamental change of circumstances
as a ground for terminating or withdrawing from a treaty it may also invoke the change as a ground for
suspending the operation of the treaty.
Very plainly indeed, neither 1 a) nor 1 b) apply to the situation Cox outlines. Just not working out the way you intended is not grounds to dishonor a treaty. Social discontent in Northern Ireland would not radically transform the obligations under the treaty nor is social content the essential basis of consent to the treaty.
The second, and frankly hilarious, point is that Cox’s advice is demonstrably nonsense. To permit the dishonoring of the treaty, a change in circumstance must not only be “fundamental” it must also be “unforeseen”. Yet in his legal advice Cox foresees and specifies the “unforeseen” event that might lead to cancellation!
I rest my case.
It is worth reminding you – as the MSM refuse to do – that the Tory Brexiteers oppose the Good Friday Agreement, and destroying it is to them a potential gain from Brexit rather than a disaster to be averted. Remember this by Michael Gove, asserting that the British military option would be better than the Good Friday Agreement?
Ulster’s future lies, ultimately, either as a Province of the United
Kingdom or a united Ireland. Attempts to fudge or finesse that
truth only create an ambiguity which those who profit by violence
will seek to exploit. Therefore, the best guarantee for stability is the
assertion by the Westminster Government that it will defend, with
all vigour, the right of the democratic majority in Northern Ireland
to remain in the United Kingdom. Ulster could then be governed
with an Assembly elected on the same basis as Wales, and an
administration constituted in the same way. Minority rights should
be protected by the same legal apparatus which exists across the
UK. The legislative framework which has guaranteed the rights and
freedoms of Roman Catholics and ethnic minorities in Liverpool
and London should apply equally in Belfast and Belleek…In such circumstances, resolute security action, the use of
existing antiterrorist legislation and the careful application of
intelligence could reduce the IRA to operating as it did in the fifties
and sixties. Combining such security measures with a political
determination not to allow Ulster’s constitutional status to be altered
by force of arms would rob the republicans of hope.
It can be done. But does any Government have the will?
Interestingly enough, after I published an article on Gove’s 58 page pamphlet attacking the Good Friday Agreement, the Tory think tank which published it, the Centre for Policy Studies, immediately took it down from the web. I have, however, copied it to my own website.
By chance, my next couple of speaking engagements are in Northern Ireland. This is not the subject I was intending to discuss, but I never know what I am going to say when I stand up anyway. Happy to answer questions on anything.
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Meanwhile, the state broadcaster the BBC harasses John Bercow on his way to work.
https://mobile.twitter.com/Rachael_Swindon/status/1107972087241719810
Caroline Farrow has been invited for an interview by Surrey police after she called a boy “he” who wishes to be known as a girl. She could face arrest if she fails to turn up. She should attend wearing a wire or head camera, to make a recording that can be played at a 25th century lecture on “Schizoculture of the Early 21st Century”. She says she will happily go to prison for her right to say that people cannot change sex.
Being “a devout Catholic”, she might get away with it, on the grounds of her religious delusion.
Eventually, I suppose the appeal will be that if someone is sufficiently detached from reality that they believe in haints, sky-beings, demons, miracles and all-powerful beings who desperately want you to obey them, then one cannot expect rational behaviour out of them.
In the meantime, it’s just considered a Right, by virtue of having a recognised religion.
But I get your point.
By the way, as a Marxist, did you listen to the Antifada? ( https://www.patreon.com/theantifada )
Surrey Police! Having a laugh? Their record is terrible going back to the Guildford Four travesty and miscarriage of justice, the cover up on the deaths at Deepcut ( https://www.getsurrey.co.uk/news/surrey-news/sean-benton-inquest-suicide-verdict-14927695 ), Millie Dowler’s murder inquiry when Newscorp was found to be dealing with a Surrey officer and Jimmy Savile’s visits to two Surrey children’s homes which went on unnoticed. ( https://www.getsurrey.co.uk/news/surrey-news/jimmy-savile-abuse—two-6884799 ) The poor abused children were never given justice.
They are now flogging off their grandiose HQ Mount Browne and are relocating. The 14.5 acre site will go for housing.
https://www.getsurrey.co.uk/news/surrey-news/surrey-police-hq-move-everything-14380791
The Police Federation have a new £26m HQ in Leatherhead. You can stay there!
https://www.yourlocalguardian.co.uk/news/11032854.extravagant-police-federation-hq-boasts-swimming-pool-and-hotel/
In the past, many of the Surrey Chief Constables have gone on to become Met Police Chief Commissioners.
I’ll defend her right to say what she wants in private, and I also think she has a right to publicly argue an abstract moral point about gender.
BUT she doesn’t have a right to publicly attack and mock a child, on the basis of their gender. This, as I understand it, what she is being interviewed for. And rightly so, as far as I can tell.
A boy is a boy. A boy who says he is a girl is still a boy. A boy who is encouraged by sicko order-obeying teachers to think he is a girl is still a boy. It’s those who declare that a boy who says he is a girl is therefore really a girl who are thinking and acting as they’re ordered and who have lost their rationality. Nobody has the right to get others to accept their mentally ill delusions as fact. A boy can’t be a girl. A person can’t be a horse.
Anyone with a Y chromosome is male. Anyone without a Y chromosome is female. A tiny minority of people suffer from the illness of dysphoria and they deserve to be helped not mocked. Encouraging their delusions harms them and harms society.
@S – Do you think men can give birth to babies? Because that’s what the mainstream media say.
Should those of us who say otherwise be burnt at the stake as the ever-so rationalist followers of what for 10 or so years has been the Partei line in a handful of western countries go “whoop whoop whoop!” ?
Unless it’s your child or your spouse, I don’t really know why you care, and I don’t see how it affects you personally, let alone harms you.
I don’t mind if you want to talk about it at an abstract level, although I don’t particularly myself. I’m glad we agree that we shouldn’t mock anyone who is going through a difficult time.
– “Anyone with a Y chromosome is male. Anyone without a Y chromosome is female. A tiny minority of people suffer from the illness of dysphoria and they deserve to be helped not mocked”
Ignorance. Not all people fit your binary definitions. This is normal in nature; all sorts of things defy classification – the map is not the territory; nature is diverse.
C: “the map is not the territory”
Actually that reminds me of a book my mate who _supposedly_ lives in Utrecht recommended, and a thoroughly good read it makes too:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Map_and_the_Territory
Don’t read too much of the preview, it’ll spoil it. Trust me, you’ll love it.
N_, you don’t even know the chromosomal status of people you meet, unless you’re taking samples and submitting them to labs. Read through this list FFS, before you spew any more ignorant, bigoted rubbish:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intersex#Conditions eg:
Unusual chromosomal sex:
In addition to the most common XX and XY chromosomal sexes, there are several other possible combinations, for example Turner syndrome (XO), Triple X syndrome (XXX), Klinefelter syndrome (XXY) and variants (XXYY, XXXY, XXXXY), XYY syndrome, de la Chapelle syndrome (XX male), Swyer syndrome (XY female).
Mosaicism and chimerism:
A mix can occur, where some of the cells of the body have the common XX or XY, while some have one of the less usual chromosomal contents above. Such a mixture is caused by either mosaicism or chimerism. In mosaicism, the mixture is caused by a mutation in one of the cells of the embryo after fertilization, whereas chimerism is a fusion of two embryos.
In alternative fashion, it is simply a mixture between XX and XY, and does not have to involve any less-common genotypes in individual cells. This, too, can occur both as chimerism and as a result of one sex chromosome having mutated into the other.[154]
Mosaicism and chimerism may involve chromosomes other than the sex chromosomes, and not result in intersex traits.
N_ you probably can’t even be sure of your own chromosomal status. Have you had it tested? And even if you have, can we safely assume that all of the trillions of cells in your body are the same?
And you keep banging on about Purim, well it turns out that the Talmud contains more gender enlightenment than your comments; it only beat you by a couple of millennia:
– “In Judaism, the Talmud contains extensive discussion concerning the status of two intersex types in Jewish law; namely the androgynous, which exhibits both male and female external sexual organs, and the tumtum which exhibits neither.”
‘Tumtum’. That’s a new one for my vocab. but I don’t suppose I will ever need to say it or write it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tumtum_(Judaism)
Thank goodness for good sense. “The map is not the territory” expresses that with admirable concision.
I’m right, Clark. All people DO either have Y chromosomes in their DNA or NOT have Y chromosomes in their DNA. This includes the unfortunate people who suffer from genetic deformities.
There’s no need for you to misuse the word “normal”, make a literary reference to map and territory, and drop fashionable buzzwords such as “diverse” and “binary”. A person’s sex is their gender.
On Purim, start with the article published here by Chabad about the Purim of 1953.
N_ : “A person’s sex is their gender.”
I’m afraid it’s not quite that simple. Trump shares your view, though. I recall this article from the NYT last year:
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/22/health/transgender-trump-biology.html
Defining gender as a condition determined strictly by a person’s genitals is based on a notion that doctors and scientists abandoned long ago as oversimplified and often medically meaningless.
Feel free to read on – particularly the section just over half way down, with the sub-heading “It’s not as simple as X and Y”.
Well said, Clark, but unfortunately your are wasting your time with N and others like him. Closed minds, certain of their own prejudices, and no interest in science or educating themselves. Such is social media and the self-proclaimed ‘experts’ who rant incessantly.
– “I’m right, Clark. All people DO either have Y chromosomes in their DNA or NOT have Y chromosomes in their DNA”
N_, no you are NOT right, not even about that; read the link I provided you with, or just read the excerpt in my damn comment. “Their DNA” is an oversimplification. Each cell has DNA, and it is not necessarily the same in every cell.
What am I meant to understand from your link about Stalin’s death?
A fairly small minority do indeed suffer from dysphoria. Another, even tinier minority, have a clear genetic gender, but for developmental or other reasons are hermaphrodites. And then there are extremely rare genetic abnormalities such as mosaicism, where different groups of cells in the same body have differing genetic gender.
These are all rare conditions, and no doubt people suffering from them are subjected to discrimination; and that should not be permitted.
The problem arises when people are allowed to assert their gender based on their personal preference, and then have that preference enforced by the law. That is similar to the assertion by McPherson that an crime is a racial crime if the victim says it is. That is what gave rise to the ludicrous IHRA definition of antisemitism, that defines criticism of the politics of the Israeli government as a form of racist bigotry – a definition that has been ‘adopted’ by the Metropolitan Police (whatever ‘adopted’ means in that context).
McPherson was speaking (or writing) in a particular context: the Met were in denial about their long-standing institutional discrimination against racial minorities, especially black youths, and McPherson’s utterance was intended as a remedy for that problem – not as a general ruling that anyone could define themselves as anything they want, and then scream ‘discrimination’ whenever someone disagrees with them (and even get them dragged off to a police interview room for expressing an opinion).
I have no time for religious fundies; but just like anyone else, they’re entitled to express an opinion. The fact that someone disagrees with that opinion doesn’t make it ‘hate speech’.
Absolutely Jimmeh, it all amounts to enforced speech. As George Orwell once said; “If liberty means anything at all it means the right to tell people what they do not want to hear.”…
@Jimmeh – I hadn’t heard of mosaicism. Thanks for referencing this, and also for referencing hermaphroditism, that extremely abnormal non-correspondence between phenotype and genotype.
I note the currently propagandised usage of the word “normal”, and also just how passive most minds are. For instance gay adoption is supported by a proportion of the population, not usually for any reason other than that its supporters have been scared into supporting it and have then internalised because they don’t want to step out of line. But on the rare occasions when a “reason” is given it’s usually that some gay couples WANT to have small children (and when they’re men it’s usually boys) in their care. You just have to verbalise that and it’s obviously not a sufficient reason for gay adoption to be allowed. The interests of the children typically aren’t considered, and nor are the interests of the wider society. It’s as if supporters are waving a Thatcherite (or right-wing libertarian) flag saying “There’s no such thing as society” and “Let everyone do what they want”, but they are too stupid to realise it.
If anyone is angry at what they just read, please will they consider the current prohibition of incest between consenting adults? Why not agree with the state-funded German Ethics Council that the ban should be ended? Why not let brothers marry their sisters, or for that matter their brothers, if they want to? In fact why not let someone marry their reflection in the mirror? Why not let trios of people adopt children – perhaps two gay incestuous brothers and their father? Everything is equally true, right? I mean it’s not as if the gay and the incestuous are over-represented among burglars or muggers, so why not? Shouldn’t everything be to do with individual rights first and foremost, exactly as Coca-Cola and Google and Facebook say? Very few have bothered to think about these issues properly. They just go with the flow. Those who are opposed to legalising incest probably do have a concept of what is good for society, which they should apply more widely.
Statistics from the Office of National Statistics show that 2% of the British population are gay or bisexual. That’s a fact that makes some people’s heads start to get hot, as faced with the option of realising they’ve been conned they turn on the deliverer of the information so as to rationalise the realisation away and keep it suppressed. They end up with the position “Don’t say that. There must be a good explanation for why homosexuality is mentioned so often in the media, in equal opportunities statements, etc., etc., even though official statistics say only 1 in 50 people is homosexual. Official statistics must be wrong. I’m a real rebel you know – I question the state. You’re a silly twit for getting taken in.” Then they go back to picking their smartphone. But the reason why an official statistic based on self-reporting would underestimate the proportion of gays and bisexuals is what, exactly? It seems much more likely that those in control are NOT getting the responses they want.
Meanwhile the National Crime Agency’s estimate of the proportion of the British population who are paedophiles – admittedly a much less reliable estimate for obvious reasons – is 3%. Personally I think that’s an overestimate, caused by the weight of the interests of those who have a stake in increasing “security”. Generally speaking, those inside the administration in Britain and those from the petty bourgeoisie and upper working class upwards believe that those who are “beneath” them include quite a few who will start fiddling with children as soon as they get the chance, before or after they eat baked beans off their dirty plates in front of the television.
N_, what you have omitted from the Office of National Statistics is that less than 94% of people identify as “heterosexual or straight”. So if you encounter or interact with, say, a thousand people over the course of a week or a month, sixty of them – like, a whole coach-load – don’t identify as “heterosexual or straight”. Most people have a few hundred acquaintances, so some dozens of people you know are, as you would put it, abnormal. I pity them, for your prejudice, not their sexuality.
And you post dozens of comments here each day, and yet you constantly project some prejudice about people “picking their smartphone”. I suppose you use a proper, approved mouse and keyboard combination do you? Or do you have servants to whom you dictate your bigoted comments? You inspected to check that their chromosomes matched their genitals before hiring them of course…
you’re right, clark. N clearly has some issues with gender and sexuality, but it is the wrapping up of those issues in screeds of supposition, speculation and the confident assertions of entirely pseudo facts and claims. Clearly has too much time on his hands, and the disposition of a pub bore. what is what quite funny is the ‘marxist’ avatar.
oops. missed ‘which makes his prolix meandering screeds farcical’, after ‘claims’.
Ian
Have you ever considered that you are perhaps just a very much shorter version of N_ ?
And that the various adjectives you’ve used for him might also describe you quite well?
Surely someone is male or female or “transitioning” (when they are taking drugs or having surgery to change sex)? I am afraid I do not buy into deciding you are what ever gender you wish to call yourself regardless of your sex at birth and current physical characteristics.
I also do not understand why such a small group relative to the population as a whole, has such a huge influence. Apparently the Soho Theatre in London has replaced its male and female toilets with gender neutral toilets, which include both cubicles and urinals in the same room. Women customers entering the toilets are faced with men urinating.
I grew up with brothers and did not expect to watch them urinating. I do not wish to start sharing a lavatory with male urinals now. This is yet another example of gender fluid members of society imposing their view on the female sex to the detriment of women. And how does this correlate with women having a ” safe space” in a public place?
Why not have a third category of toilet rather than making one size fit all?
There was some fuss recently over whether trans gender men ( becoming women) should be able to appear on the US TV show Ru Paul’s Drag Race. Host and famous drag queen Ru Paul said no because the point of drag is that it is men dressed as women, not transitioning men.
This caused the predictable fuss as did Martina Navratilova’s comments about not allowing men identifying as women to enter female only sporting events where their size and strength gave them an advantage. It seems in the USA a man can enter women’s events if he can show he has been taking testosterone suppressing treatment for 12 months.
I remain concerned that no one seems worried about the erosion of women’s rights in all this. Why do the rights of the LBGT community trump those of women?
There was a rumour in my village that there had been a naked transvestite lurking in the woods. What’s a naked transvestite? A man who’s taken off women’s clothes?
I’ve no idea what to do about sport, but people of similar sex differ in strength and size anyway. The obvious thing to do about toilets is get rid of urinals and have proper cubicles, with integral washing facilities and proper walls and doors. We can afford it. As every town can afford a retail wonderland of bewildering complexity, I’m sure we could afford proper toilets if we tried.
https://youtu.be/auKkJp4GGX8?t=259
It’ been cooked up to drive a wedge into the left.
Mary Pau!
Many people are worried about the erosion of women’s rights, but politicians seem to be listening to the “jocks in frocks” who are shouting the loudest.
Regarding the testosterone being lowered, it has absolutely no effect on everything which has been going on in the male body from before birth, and the IOC limit is still twice as high as that of women.
The average male is a larger species than the average female. By allowing males who identify as females to compete in female sport against females, this will inevitably be disenfranchising a large number of females. More I imagine than males who will be enfranchised to compete against women.
Mary Paul, I agreee with you and especially with “…such a small group relative to the population as a whole, has such a huge influence”
We still have green and red traffic lights, despite of a number of people who are color blind. Nobody cares of the fact, though mixing the colors of a traffic light could possibly lead to some fatal accidents!
Spending money on gender neutral lavatories seems much more important 🙂
The change in the lavatory arrangements has something to do with the long queues encountered at women’s lavatories in theatres.
Facilities must, therefore, be inadequate, which is all about saving money.
The number of male and female toilets is determined by the recomendations of the Chartered Institute of Building Services Engineering. So complain to them.
Does not explain why women should have to enter a gender free toilet which contains mens urinals used by men.
Mary Paul, exactly. We expect privacy in lavatories, it means abscence of any other gender.
I’d say it is ‘gender privacy’
But does the surgery realy do what it claims to do, ie change sex?
Are people making an informed choice ?
Johny Conspiranoid
No, the surgery does not make people change sex. The mother of the child in question took the boy abroad to have the operation which is illegal in the UK (Now illegal in Thailand), because apparently at the age of 4 the boy said that God had put him in the wrong body – seriously?????
The mother should be put in prison for child abuse.
“I also do not understand why such a small group relative to the population as a whole, has such a huge influence.”
That’s minorities for ya. The Globalists seek them out, fund and promote them to cause division.
The usual Trotskyist divide and conquer.
Yeah, it’s those bloody globalists. Again. And they stole my Kit Kat too.
It’s interesting that for your dogma to work you need to deny reality.
In this case you’re forced to deny the reality of Globalism and Trotskyism.
That might alert the more inquiring mind to the possibility that your dogma is garbage.
And further, that much censorship and control of narrative and language shall be needed for your dogma to survive.
“Dogma”? “Trotskyists”?
Maybe I smell yet another anti-Semitic conspiracy theory. It looked like conspiracy theory language, so I went and looked up Trotsky; yep, born to a Jewish family. Does this tie in with commenter N_’s obsession with Purim? Was Stalin really the good guy?
– “much censorship and control of narrative and language shall be needed for your dogma to survive.”
Er, it’s not me arguing that people have to fit the available words.
Trotskyism is a methodology of political manipulation.
Undermining the whole through the parts.
This is quite well known.
And has been expanded upon to quite a sophisticated degree.
In other words, what I’m saying is not controversial.
It’s mainstream.
You seem to be paranoid to reality.
Where’d you get that from?
@Mary Pau!
Many men don’t want women walking past when they’re using urinals. I know I don’t.
The segregation of toilets into two types, male and female, is not a problem and does not require a solution. I recently heard someone complaining in the media that the symbols used for male and female toilets are often “sexist” because the symbol for a woman is shown wearing a skirt and many women prefer to wear trousers. Again, there is no problem here. (Similarly British membership of the EU was not a problem.)
If some individuals can’t cope with using either a male or a female toilet, they need psychological help.
N_, if you can’t cope with women walking past while you are using a urinal, maybe you “need psychological help”.
It is only in recent years that the need for toilet facilities for disabled people has been made standard provision, and baby changing facilities. The fact is that people should be provided with private sanitary facilities, and the only reason they are not is because it is unreasonable to extort a profit from them.
That should be obvious. Not much of a Marxist, are you?
Between mixed toilets and men claiming to be women entering female only spaces, and sports, women are going to have a hard time of it in the public space.
More planned chaos embedded in policy.
Yes Herbie; it’s all an evil plot…
For once,
I agree.
Yes, and when I dress myself in ice-cream and wafers people must call me a mint-choc sundae, my pronoun is lush and for two like me our plural is luscious. This compulsion about self-identity is getting serious and will create a backlash. If some people want to call themselves the opposite sex it doesn’t matter to most of us, but being compelled by law to call a man a woman affects us all. How do I know when a man expects to be a called a woman? And if he gets awkward about it I face prosecution? They’ve got to be kidding.
S
“BUT she doesn’t have a right to publicly attack and mock a child”
She didn’t do any of that, she simply pointed out the obvious – a human cannot change sex.
Man/boy = male
Woman/girl = female
Transman = female
Transwoman = male
Biology and chromosones do not lie, and the general public should not be forced to believe in lies.
She did. She intentionally attacked a particular child who has probably been through enough stress already.
Words are language, and their meaning is not universally agreed, certainly not so straightforwardly as you suggest.
Calling a boy a boy isn’t attacking him. It’s showing respect for him.
It’s those who encourage children to question whether they are boys or girls who are attacking them.
And just because what Andy wrote
doesn’t accord with what has been put out by dominant western interests for little more than a decadeis not “universally agreed” doesn’t mean he isn’t right.“Some people don’t agree with that” isn’t a proper counterargument to anything.
– “It’s showing respect”
Is it fk. As I understand it, this story is about a journalist using a child essentially as click-bait. It’s an exploitative commercial interaction.
Andyoldlabour, it’s none of your f’n business what’s in anyone else’s underwear, no more than it anyone else’s what’s in yours, and quite frankly I find your obsession with it very dubious, rather like the racists obsessed with who may breed with whom, or the homophobes who claim to be disgusted by the anal sex involved, but say nothing about the same being practised by heterosexual men upon women. And if people’s chromosomal structure isn’t private data, I don’t know what is.
Your knowledge of biology is also at fault.
Very nicely put, Clark.
Clark
You are a very sick puppy – biology was and still is my speciality.
How do you feel about transwomen insisting that lesbians should be obliged to accept “ladydick” ?
I find that a bit dubious to say he least – in fact I find that sort of talk a bit “rapey”.
Maybe you should be getting more yourself rather than obsessing about others? Failing that, I recommend a healthy dose of early Frank Zappa:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1WJyLQjypo
“And if people’s chromosomal structure isn’t private data, I don’t know what is.”
It’s healthy for the individual and society for it to be known whether the individual is male or female.
People who disagree should go off and form an isolated community on some uninhabited island somewhere. (Goodness knows how they’d reproduce.)
Yes, let’s make everyone wear arm-bands shall we?
Now now, Clark. N_ never suggested armbands. He’d no doubt be happy with pink triangles.
So are you saying if someone calls a tall person, shorty, its a criminal offence?
Succumbed to the distraction of Identity politics. As frustrating as this nonsense is, least said soonest mended. Identity politics is being pushed by groups with nefarious interests. Unfashionably for this site, I would include Russian psyops on the list of promoters.
I’d include Russian psyops too, but only if they self-identify as Russian.
It makes defining political identity really difficult. Many on the left reject all forms of libertarianism : philosophical libertarian, political libertarian, cultural libertarian, social libertarian, economic libertarian.
I definitely prefer cultural libertarianism over ‘“cultural authoritarianism”, i.e. political correctness, conservative correctness”, but am more sympathetic to those critical of economic libertarianism. I don’t mind say Owen Jones, but find his wokism and battling on behalf of ‘offended’ groups, absolutely tedious.
So many on the left are really just authoritarians, posing as SJWs, especially in the PLP.
Vivian O’Blivion
I would say it has a lot more to do with Soros than Russia. Big money from the US and Canada is funding this social experiment.
This would be my take also. The originators of Identity politics will have been responsible for diverting the Democratic Party in the States away from representing the interests of the working class and tying everyone up in Identity frippery. The beneficiaries of this policy were of course the corporations and the 1%.
The usefulness of Identity politics as a tool of Russian psyops is two pronged. In the absence of the NRA / gun control division or the Pro-choice / Anti-abortion division, exploited in America, Identity politics is a useful tool to promote social divisions in Europe. Rejection of the excesses of Identity politics has given the socially traditionist message as promoted by Putin traction with populist parties in Europe, notably the coalition government in Italy.
khm, I assure you, there’s nothing more desirable in Russia, than social integration, not division, in Europe. We dream of reliable partner, predictable in his moves. Nothing worse than divided society with unpredictable behavior, who is your partner and neighbour.
Can’t see it as a Russian op.
Remember that the msm are pushing this garbage.
It’s very definitely the Globalists who are behind it, as they’re behind all the rest of these identity politics.
They cause division themselves, of course, but the main aim is to control language itself, and in so dojng, control thought.
What need to change is not people, but language. We need sex and gender neutral language.
I can’t even refer to an individual’s house or car without hazarding a guess at what their genitals are like. It’s either his house or her house. What the hell has the contents of their underwear got to do with their house?
And no, we don’t need more oppressive laws. We need to change the language, just like we needed to change the calendar because its year had less days than an orbit round the sun took. Reality rules.
In some languages, the pronoun takes the gender of the noun it defines. So for example if house is a feminine noun then the pronoun used will take its male or female form from the gender of the noun. Good luck with changing the entire grammatical structure of a language in that case.
Language changes; I did Chaucer at school.
In Italian, a table (un tavolo) is masculine most of the day until mealtimes, when it becomes feminine (“tutti a tavola!”). Male and female are not grammatical concepts, as any fule kno.
I did Chaucer at school too. If it taught me anything, it taught me that language doesn’t that much.
I meant to say “…language doesn’t change that much…”
None-the-less, it’s not only language that doesn’t change, our preoccupations don’t change much either.
“Maken Engelond Gret Ayeyn” is a fascinating essay by Paul Strohm ( the author of Chaucer’s Tale: 1386 and the Road to Canterbury). It’s an essay that’ll tell you a bit about Chaucer, a little about medieval England and all you need to know about Brexit.
You can read it here:
https://www.laphamsquarterly.org/trade/maken-engelond-gret-ayeyn
English is pretty gender less compared to for example German or French: die Sonne, der Mond, La Lune, Le Soleil – so opposite genders for sun and moon. You will be “happy” to know that in German and Dutch girl is neutral 😉
It is the noun that is gendered, not the object itself.
Thanks for making that clear.
We already possess the language. You last sentence was gender neutral.
@Clark – Being male or female is to do with more than having a particular type of genitals!
Serious question: does anybody in the Francophone, Hispanophone or Lusophone areas complain about the non-existence of a “third gender” third-person pronoun? The question can be widened: does any Portuguese or Brazilian person mind that males say “obrigado” and females “obrigada”? What about in Russia? Does any Russian person mind that males say “я устал” and females “я устала” for “I’m tired”?
None of this a problem. It therefore doesn’t require a solution. It’s not as if it is a horrible culture imposed by a dictatorial regime for many thousands of years, that the current orthodoxy in a few shithouse western countries is in course of “freeing” the inhabitants of those countries from.
Maleness and femaleness should be celebrated and enjoyed, not viewed as a matter of “private chromosomal data”.
– “Being male or female is to do with more than having a particular type of genitals!”
You insist it’s entirely a matter of chromosomes. A century ago no one had any idea about chromosomes, so I suppose if you’d been making this argument then, you’d have been banging on about genitals.
– ‘[Gender] should be celebrated and enjoyed, not viewed as a matter of “private chromosomal data”’
Yes, but you have no right to decide how any other person should be classified, because that’s their business, not yours (grief, why does anyone even need this to be explained?). They are under no obligation to show you a lab test, nor drop their pants for you, so the politest response is to accept whatever they tell you.
Never voluntarily attend an an interview with the police, the main aim of that little room is to put pressure on you and get you to incriminate yourself. Best of all, remain silent, you have absolutely nothing to gain by entering into a dialogue with the police. The UK police arrested more than 3300 people for something they said online in 2017, that’s nine per day and does not include those contacted or interviewed – that figure is likely to be in the tens of thousands.
Law Professor James Duane’s brilliant lecture on why you shouldn’t talk to the police..https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-7o9xYp7eE
Spencer Eagle
Thank you Spencer for a voice of sanity at last.
I had a burglary several years ago, and the last contact with the police ended with me being threatened with a caution, because I swore at them for not wanting them to take it any further, because they told me that the criiminals knew where I lived – you could not make it up!
Marginal note, refers to recent CM tweet:
The petition to prorogue Parliament is approaching the 100,000 target needed to obtain a debate, at 92,845 a minute or two ago.
Here: https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/237487
Time’s running out, even if such a debate were held immediately, which would be unlikely.
And I thought you would be on the much publicised march, Komodo.
A question regards the WTO, how does it work and why are UK businesses not prepared, are as clued up about their needs, rules regulations or taxes and how to pay these knowing full well that Torys might not want to hand on their contributions to overarchong enteties such as the EU, now its the WTO to pay.
Author of petition = Laura Bailhache, UKIP.
Mrs.Theresa May is to pen a letter to the European Union Elite begging for a three months delay.
However she must also put her plan to the E.U.
why she wants them to grant a three month delay, this is where it falls down, she does not have a workable plan.
So in ten days time we are leaving without a deal.
Yes Komodo I have signed the petition.
Yes, it’s looking like No Deal or Revoke, and I don’t fancy the chances of Revoke.
Have you noticed there’s very little backup in the media for the idea that important legislation necessary for leaving on 29 March without a deal (or even with one) has not yet been tabled and passed? There are no details of what exact areas the legislation is needed in. There are no details of where the hold-up is. No questions are being put to ministers and other politicians such as “Why the f*** hasn’t it been tabled and passed?” The absence of the required legislation is just something that media consumers repeat unthinkingly.
Shortages will of course be blamed on foreigners.
Theresa May has NOT requested Brexit extension – ‘We’re yet to receive the famous letter’
“The situation as it stands is there is no request from the U.K. for an extension.
“We have not received, the already famous in the press, letter to President Tusk and we have not received a request from the U.K. for the extension of the period under Article 50 in any other format.” the E.U.Elite
Seems a little confusing.
Do we actually know if Theresa has actally sent her letter, is it perchance held up at a French post office?
Does she think that Brussels is in France, perchance?
michael norton: “she does not have a workable plan”
It comes down to this: the EU will give the UK an extension for a “change of mind”.
The EU will not give the UK an extension just to delay a no deal Brexit.
My money’s on “change of mind”. If May won’t change her mind, the HoC will do that for her.
The Brexiteers have clearly lost the script. The problem is that nobody seems to be at the helm.
What is it with members of the House of Commons, have they lost their grasp of English? 23rd of May is not the same as 30/6/2019.
Komodo .
The problem is not leave/remain.
The only problem is the Tories and the lib dems who have openly declared themselves traitors to the electorate by siding with the Tories.
The only problem is the Tory liars . Everything they touch disintegrates into lies, squabbling and waste. If the Tories took any notice of parliament may would have already resigned.
35 years of illegal wars and successive implementation of Zionist neocon policy has resulted in Tory ultra arrogance, safe under the wing of the great Satan. An arrogance that has totally ignored usukisksa defeat in Syria .
giyane, your piece is gobbledegook.
three quarter of Members of Parliament are Remainers,
this it what the problem is.
Why in that case was the motion for a 2nd referendum overwhelmingly defeated? You seem lacking in the most basic knowledge.
Xavi, well I am a Brexiteer.
I hope we leave in ten days time with or without a deal, that is the law.
Most members of parliament voted to remain.
This is why parliament is struggling to deliver Brexit.
Essentially these members of parliament think the public were wrong to vote for Brexit and we should be grateful they know best.
Because they know they would lose it!
– “I hope we leave in ten days time with or without a deal, that is the law“
No it isn’t:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Referendums_in_the_United_Kingdom#Status_of_referendums
– “There are two types of referendum that have been held by the UK Government, pre-legislative (held before proposed legislation is passed) and post-legislative (held after legislation is passed). To date the previous three UK-wide referendums in 1975, 2011 and 2016 were all pre-legislative. Referendums are not legally binding, so legally the Government can ignore the results; for example, even if the result of a pre-legislative referendum were a majority of “No” for a proposed law, Parliament could pass it anyway, because parliament is sovereign.”
@michael
If three quarters of mps were remainers then the overwhelming majority would have voted for a 2nd referendum, which is the only means of remaining.
BTW I think the reality of “no deal” would come as a big disappointment to you. It would not mean greater sovereignty or control for the UK but the very opposite: without a deal, Europe would dictate completely the terms of the new trade relationship with the UK.
Clark
Do not quote wiki as a reference and expect to be taken seriously.
Article 50 has been triggered in the absence of a deal agreed by both parliament and all 27 members of the EU the UK leaves on the 29th of March unless the UK unilaterally withdraws article 50, An extension of article 50 that has to be agreed by all 27 members of the EU only postpones this choice. Parliament has already rejected a 2nd referendum by a large majority as an amendment so it is unlikely to approve a 2nd referendum or the unilateral withdrawal of article 50. The Tory party (with the threat of resignations from cabinet) and Theresa May has indicated a lack of support of a long extension or withdrawing article 50. This leaves two likely outcomes, some kind of Brexit in name only adhering to EU rules on State Aid and the four freedoms (possibly with some limitations on free movement of labour) but requiring free movement of capital (which is far more damaging than free movement of labour that could be ameliorated by a government other than this one wanting to reduce inequality). The other likely outcome is a no deal outcome as the default option that the advisory vote against no deal dose not change. The EU has indicated the lack of support of an extension beyond May 22 as an extension beyond this would entail the UK participation in EU election with the possibility of leave voters sending large numbers of Eurosceptics to the EU parliament to join a projected rise in representation of populists across Europe.
Without a long extension a referendum cannot reverse the triggering of article 50, either on 29th of March or the 22 May.
Any sort of extension requires the UK to approve a deal in parliament before the EU even considers approving it.
Xavi
Why would no deal be a disappointment? How would the EU be more able to dictate trade with the UK not being part of the single market being no longer subject to EU rules on state aid and not being required to ensure free movement of capital?
Let’s get this straight: You’re asking House of Commons to ask Mrs May to ask the Queen to start a new paliamentary session (without an election)?
All this to hold another vote on May’s withdrawal agreement in the hopes that it will not lose by 149 votes next time?
Why on Earth would the HoC vote for that?
According to this, Trump’s top donor, Robert Mercer, is at the centre of a multimillion-dollar anti-Muslim propaganda industry responsible for creating and spreading the same Islamophobic rhetoric found in the New Zealand shooter’s manifesto.
https://bylinetimes.com/2019/03/18/robert-mercer-is-fueling-a-multimillion-dollar-anti-muslim-propaganda-industry/
I’m very glad to see that that Groan article about Mercer does not blame or even mention “Russian President Vladimir V. Putin.”
Confusing: Trump’s son-in-law is Jewish. So are “the Zionists” pro or contra Islam, as they control the US apparently to some.
Schrödinger’s cat might hold the answers here, even for the past and future…..
Jeremy Corbyn will be in Brussels tomorrow morning, in the middle of Purim. Purim starts at sunset today.
According to the Guardian, “(t)he EU is not legally allowed to set conditions on an extension”. How on earth did they work that crap out? Is that what 10 Downing Street told them? An extension would have to be agreed, and an agreement can include conditions. It’s so embarrassing to watch grownup people have tantrums like toddlers.
Attendance at Saturday’s march in London demanding a new referendum with a Remain option (assemble at Speakers’ Corner, Hyde Park, London, Saturday 23 March, 12 noon – further information here) may easily exceed a million, possibly two million.
For what it’s worth, the 1922 Committee meets every Wednesday evening when Parliament is in session and they will be meeting tonight. Word is that Theresa May has been “asked” to attend,
she’s not gone (to this 1922 committee’s invitation)
she might be going away , according to senior parliamentary runeologists. (end of days for May, statement to the nation at 20:00)
I guess twotter will have all the news, unless someone’s mother is involved:- https://consortiumnews.com/2019/03/19/twitter-restricts-account-of-julian-assanges-mother/
N_ I’m finding your repeated mentions of Purim highly incongruous, and frankly rather suspicious. What political connection are you suggesting between Purim and Brexit?
What percentage of the 17.4 million is the potential 1 – 2 million? You know? The 17.4 million who voted in ignorance? Despite being repeatedly informed by the government that voting for leave would mean leaving the Single Market and leaving the Customs Union? The 17.4 million who are told that they are racist “gammons”? And who should now understand that they never “voted for a specific type of brexit” even though they did? Remain. Ughh!!!
That’s how all democratic votes work, you are not a democrat or of the left as the turnout was larger than any election since 1992, unless you are delusional enough want to a null any election since 1992?
I am so looking forward to seeing the disappointment on Remainers faces when they finally realize a second referendum is not going to happen. Parliament has already voted against a second referendum by a large majority, so it is not going to happen.
Been otherwise occupied for last few days and not up to speed on news. What is current position with EU vis a vis the backstop?
There’s been no change regarding the backstop from either Britgov or EU27. Theresa May will ask for a short extension until the end of June. If Britain is to leave the EU on that date there will be no need to hold EU elections in Britain in late May, given that the new EU parliament will not open until the beginning of July. The EU27 position is that they need Britgov to say what plan it has regarding getting out of the present position. Of course if Britain is to remain in the EU after the end of June, then there must be EU elections in Britain in May. So whatever the idea of requesting a three-month extension is all about, it does not appear to be to make space for another referendum. The EU Council meets tomorrow and Friday. There is talk of an emergency meeting on Thursday 28 March, the eve of the current statutory Brexit date. Theresa May still says she will attempt to table a motion for Meaningful Vote 3.
Jeremy Corbyn appears to be trying to do the prime minister’s job for her, which she is so clearly utterly incapable of doing herself.
There is no meaningful change to the Backstop. Theresa May’s letter to Donald Tusk makes reference to inclusion of further assurances in UK domestic legislation. The reason given in the letter for the delay to end June is solely having another run at MV3. No prorogation, no referendum, no GE. May is banking on the European Council rubber stamping her protocol with Junker as being sufficient (together with domestic reassurances relating to the Backstop) to force Bercow to relieve his veto on multiple votes. The EU may as well put her out of her misery now and refuse an extension. Perhaps the 1922 Committee will save them the trouble tonight?
Emmanuel Macron is reported to have said today that EU27 should refuse to grant any extension past 29 March. Le Point are presenting his position as effectively sure to determine the response of the EU Council.
While I was out walking the dogs, I was ruminating and the French veto came up as a dead cert.. I’m thick so did Theresa “really” not see this coming? Don’t think so.
Mary Paul, you need to keep up, we are way past being concerned about a backstop, we are now into General Election Land.
A General Election is not a Referendum. The Referendum result was to leave. Surely that applies which ever party is in power? I asked about the back stop because it seems that the UK is trapped in a sort of nomansland by the Good Friday Agreement. This appears to make kt impossible to sort out a post brexit
border in Ireland all the time the GFA means different things on either side of the border.
I think the real ‘backstop’ in dispute is the guarantee demanded by the EU itself, on behalf of its member Eire (the Republic of Ireland), that the North not be snatched away from it by a nullification of the GFA. Theresa May can’t give that guarantee, because she depends on DUP votes to get whatever she proposes through Parliament.
As I see it, the advantages of leaving without a deal are that it will sever all legal ties with the EU (thus honouring the wishes of the electorate) and that the UK will not be obliged to shell out £39 billion.
The EU’s contingency plans will then come into force meaning there will be no discernible changes for at least six months, plenty of time to negotiate, on a level playing field, a new partnership.
“The EU’s contingency plans will then come into force meaning there will be no discernible changes”
The EU’s contingency plans are precisely intended to cope with “discernible changes”. The EU, France, Belgium, Netherlands, Spain and Germany have contingency plans in place (but they still expect major disruption). Where are the UK’s contingency plans? Contracts for non-existent ferries?
Watching Prime Ministers Question Time, M.P. Peter Bone was very to the point.
He basically called her a charlatan and a liar lacking in democracy, a deceiver of the referendum result, yet he is a friend of hers.
“Where are the UK’s contingency plans?”
I don’t think it has any apart from carrying on as normal, a position that the EU has also rather sensibly adopted.
I’ve heard that we’ve bought a lot of big fridges !
There is plenty of spare capacity on the ferries in the low season/shoulder season we’re in just now.
Jesus, its painful reading the Captain Mannering attitude towards Brexit/EU from some.
Don’t tell Barnier your name….Pike.
Mainwaring.
Thank you Lance Corporal Jones for the correction. ?
I hear Macron might try to block the extension, the cries of Agincourt will be ringing in the ears of some. ?
Mind you DeGaulle shouted out an emphatic Non, to stop Britain entering the EU in the first place.
I always had you down as Private Frazer. We’re all doomed. I agree that the EU must be thinking that de Gaulle was right all along. The UK would be just too disruptive. Macron is even more out of touch than May. They just don’t like it up ’em.
Wel, the way I see, Westminster has been blaming the EU for Britain’s woes since joining, now they can leave the EU with a no deal and blame it on the EU.
A bit like Scotland really and its relationship with the UK.
@MJ, it certainly will be nice to see the will of the people respected and continue to be respected, but I’ll just take you up gently on that ‘big bill shock’
that the UK will not be obliged to shell out £39 billion true, that a HoL committee on one occasion, thought we might get away without paying this – however, look at the struggle to get the Withdrawl Agreement. Now just try and NOT pay £39B and try and get an EU trade deal, without chaos. Intransigent France would meddle, I guess.
Nobody has mentioned recently that that £39B is actually due, slowly, over the next fifty years, on tick’ the never never, as it were. It’s really not as big a sum as some are claiming, but thus is just my viewpoint.
The thing is what are the differences between a male and a female body and can surgery make those differences? If being male or female is not a function of what kind of body you have then any kind of body is just as good a fit as any another, so why change it? Those who are born hermaphrodite might say “we’re here we’re hermaphrodite get over it”.
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According to Reuters, EU officials have stated that any extension to the default Brexit date should be to no later than 23 May or to after the end of 2019.
So the advice that Theresa May has received stating that an extension until 30 June would not require the holding of EU elections in Britain in late May appears to be a load of crap. Whichever government or civil service lawyer wrote it is lucky he is not working for a client in the private sector.
Whether or not Britain is to hold EU elections needs to be known by 11 April. The issue affects how many MEPs will be elected in a number of other countries.
An application for an emergency Commons debate (under Standing Order 24, for numerology enthusiasts) has been submitted by Labour MP Alison McGovern.
May offers no changes, no new plan but remains “confident the parliament will ratify the deal constructively”.
She even says in her letter that it is not clear whether parliamentary rules would permit her to put her deal to a new vote without “fundamental changes”.
Madness! Just complete madness!
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/787434/PM_to_President_of_the_European_Council.pdf
See also: Der Spiegel: “The Prime Minister of Humiliation” http://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/theresa-may-s-brexit-disaster-a-1258101.html
I imagine the EU is getting mightily fed up with the whole business (it has other important matters to attend to) and would like to wash its hands of the whole farce.
Not only that the 500 millon EU citizens, probably need a rest from all that laughing they’ve done at Britain’s utter incompetence over Brexit.
Indeed.
The message delivered repeatedly by Barnier yesterday was “We need a good reason for a delay. We need to see a plan. A referendum, a GE, something, anything, just don’t come back with another run at putting your failed WA to parliament.”
If I could be bothered I could conceive some form of Machiavellian trap to crash out next Friday and have the British public wholly attribute blame on the EU. I just don’t think May is that smart.
Jeremy Corbyn and other opposition party leaders will be meeting Theresa May in 10 Downing Street at 6pm.
The usual time for the 1922 Committee to start its Wednesday meetings is 5pm.
Sunset today in London is at 6.13pm.
I love this tweet from the BBC’s Guy Lambert, sent less than 20 minutes ago: “No sooner than a majority of the Cabinet had arrived to see Theresa May, they all flooded out in one large group with very, very serious faces. A lot to confusion here on the street.”
Big day, today, folks.
The Downing Street Cat is now in charge – he’s even got his own wee podium thingy.
I hope it means she’s going to call a GE. Parliament will be dissolved and the UK will leave the EU next Friday without a deal.
@MJ – The prime minister has not got the authority, and neither has the monarch, to call a general election before 2022.
She seemed to manage in 2017.
She got the required two-thirds majority for it in the Commons.
The SO24 debate is effectively Keir Starmer pointing out that Theresa May and the government are taking the piss, and other MPs asking him questions. The government front bench is almost empty, nobody from it has made a contribution, and so far I haven’t heard any Tory backbenchers speak in favour of the government either. Right now the real action is clearly elsewhere.
Here they clearly disagree with you, as does Charles Walker, vice-chair of the Tories’ powerful 1922 Committee.
https://www.theweek.co.uk/93763/will-there-be-a-general-election-in-2019
Looks like we’ll either be out this month or, we’ll need to put up with this fiasco for awhile longer, if don’t know about you but another year of this shit will drive me stir crazy.
Please please, call an indyref Sturgeon soon.
“Brussels opposes Theresa May’s plan to delay Brexit until 30 June, according to a leaked internal EU diplomatic note.”
“The review of the Brexit situation drawn up by EU officials says national leaders will face a “binary” choice of a short Article 50 extension to before May 23, or a long delay to at least the end of this year.”
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-news-latest-eu-article-50-extension-theresa-may-request-commission-a8831556.html
Donald Tusk has now confirmed this. He says a short extension will only be granted conditional on a prior Commons vote in favour of the Deal.
It’s No Deal, or it’s Revoke.
I expect a statement from Theresa May to the country this evening.
“It’s No Deal, or it’s Revoke”
That was always the choice. It’s the referendum question again, slightly reworded.
MJ
3rd way is Mrs May ‘s unmeaningful WA which nobody wants
now that the statistical possibility of Brexit has reached 50:50, (Lord Kerr on LBC now), I’ll mention some other mad maths.
The guy who allegedly passed illegal criminal software for attacking Cars, TV’s, mobile phones and computers to a news website is being slowly tried in the USA, where they are preparing to sentence him to a sensible one hundred and thirty five years in Prison.
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2019/mar/19/joshua-schulte-lawyer-ask-cia-to-speed-up-vault-7-/
Wouldn’t a sensible one hundred and thirty five years delay to full Brexit work quite well too, once May has gone! SEP.
The European Commission says the UK must hold EU elections if it stays beyond 23 May,
as nobody wants that, it will either be
1) General Election
2) Leave on 29/03/2019
3) get rid of Theresa
Give me all three.
Earlier Brian put up a link to a YT of last night’s meeting in Belfast. Thanks Brian.
IMPERIALISM ON TRIAL PRESENTS ‘THE STATE’.
Two former UK Ambassadors, a former British soldier, an Irish Republican, and a Former CIA Analyst present their analysis of the State
Craig speaks from 2hrs 22 mins through to 2hrs 46min A Q&A followed.
LINK https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E_4YZp0TTSU
Craig gets a good reference in the comments. Others somewhat moronic as is the chat alongside which can be hidden.
tedats
18 hours ago (edited)
2:21:59 Good input from this guy. Played at 1.5x speed. Not a long section.
Whilst waiting for “the statement”, I’ve been forensically reading the brexitty news. Ignored all the snake-oil peddlers’ so ended up at The Pink ‘Un, good Japanese logic, hardly biased now that everything is settled, accurate, usually.
but before I watch SE’s link to Craig’s talk in Ireland , I think I have time to report some of the figures bandied about today
all thanks and Compliments to The Conservative Party, RIP [born 1834 – split 2019 (in March or was it June?)]
https://www.ft.com/content/016171be-4a74-11e9-8b7f-d49067e0f50d (vague firewall) by Stephen Morris in London, March 20th 13:29
UK to lose a trillion quid of financial assets to Europe due to Brexit
Banks and investors are being forced to finalise plans only days from set departure date…thats £1,000,000,000,000.00 approx measured expatriation of funds by accountants Ernst & Young adding-up twenty-six individual companies’ reports who are now triggering their planet-zombie plan, called “green nut-cracker”
(luckily only 7K financial top jobs have gone out of London, to the other side, that’s just £600M+ in taxes, ongoing each year)
on a more cheery note the FT also reports ([email protected]) on an extraordinary behind-the-scenes battle, with transatlantic consequences, on the state of London’s gigantic derivatives market after leaving the EU. that’s a trade of (virtual $1,000,000,000,000 magnitudes) The battle is ON, might be resolved in meetings by 2021, but the FT noticed that participants notably unable to throw their weight about in this drama are the British regulators. What stuff happens will be decided by the ideological and territorial fight between Washington and Brussels.
Trillions….a billion, more Trillions, OK, so how much is that trade deal with Macau worth Mr Fuchs?
David
The Tories believe that their second job of handling of huge investments in the city of London can be managed by their control of the MMS, hedgefunding I.e. betting on fail us and lies to parliament.
In 2008 by the use of QE the bank’s hoisted all their customers’ good money and replaced it with massively leveraged cash from Saudi Arabia which was swapped for help to the Sods’ war against the people of Libya Syria and Yemen .
They instructed Russia to prevent The Sods from taking control of Syria because all they Zionists require is destruction of Islam.
Plenty of brainwashed jihadists were prepared by psychotic drugs and torture to conduct the insurrection.
In short the Tories have no interest in the UK or its economy. Israel controls our parliament and our foreign policy as it does the EU ‘s.
Tories have no principles other than self preservation I.e sucking the Zionist nob and presenting their backsides for service to Israel.
Israel gets oil from Kurdistan half price just to keep the incumbent tribe in power.
For what it’s worth, and with reference to the meetings advertised above on the subject, a useful introduction to the Marxist theory of the State is provided by Bob Jessop in The Capitalist State – Marxist Theories and Methods (1982), now available as a free download from https://bobjessop.wordpress.com/category/books/.
Wednesday, March 20, 2019
Families seek judicial review into decision not to prosecute other soldiers involved in Bloody Sunday
Relatives of those who died on Bloody Sunday leave a briefing with DPP Stephen Herron at the City Hotel Derry after the announcement from the Public Prosecution Service that only one former paratrooper is to be charged with two murders and four attempted murders
FAMILIES seeking justice for the Bloody Sunday killings are seeking a judicial review into a decision not to prosecute other soldiers for murder or attempted murder.
They are challenging the Northern Ireland Public Prosecution Service (PPS) decision to bring charges against just one member of the Parachute Regiment for the murders of William McKinney and James Wray in Derry on January 30 1972.
Thirteen unarmed civilians were killed when British soldiers opened fire on a peaceful civil rights march. Another died in hospital four months later.
https://morningstaronline.co.uk/article/w/families-seek-judicial-review-into-decision-not-to-prosecute-other-soldiers-involved-in-bloody-sunday
Craig is speaking in the Guildhall in Derry tomorrow night.
The use of “Derry” for Londonderry would appear to indicate Republican sympathies.
Use of “Londonderry” might indicate Unionist sympathies.
Obviously.
Another change of gravatar. Another IP address?
The icon is generated by the email address, not IP address.
Apparently, its only been Londonderry since 1613:
“Derry, officially Londonderry is the second-largest city in Northern Ireland and the fourth-largest city on the island of Ireland. The name Derry is an anglicisation of the Old Irish name Daire (modern Irish: Doire) meaning “oak grove”. In 1613, the city was granted a Royal Charter by King James I and gained the “London” prefix to reflect the funding of its construction by the London guilds. While the city is more usually known colloquially as Derry, Londonderry is also commonly used and remains the legal name.”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derry
So only for the last 400-odd years. OK.
Obviously in the sense that by Unionist one means those who wish to keep the Six Counties in the United Kingdom as opposed to advocating that they should become part of the political entity known as the Republic of Ireland.
Folks if you happen to be in the “City SIde” drop the London, if you are in the “Waterside SIde” check the footpaths/flags/minerals.
MUERALS! Sorry
Do you mean murals, i.e. things painted on walls?
Charles
King James I invited merchants and businessmen to shape the town of Derry, hence the addition of the prefix London. I’d imagine both Derry and Londonderry are in use.
History 101 compulsory reading dear boy.
James I – was that the Scottish bloke ?
I believe so. Here is a portrait of him:
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:JamesIEngland.jpg
“The use of “Derry” for Londonderry would appear to indicate Republican sympathies.”
Why?
It could just as easily indicate Nationalist sympathies.
Anyway, no one calls it Londonderry, except on the telly and in newspapers, or otherwise formal speech.
Charles,
I am of firm unionist conviction and unionist stock – we have always referred to the city as Derry. The vast majority of people from the city also say Derry. It is only the loyalist fringe who have a hissy fit over the dropping of ‘London’ from Derry’s name.
Even the rabidly unionist / loyalist ‘franternal orgnaisation’, the Apprentice Boys, have the full title of the Apprentice Boys of Derry.
http://apprenticeboysofderry.org/about/4590560772
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Derry
Theresa May will make a statement from Downing Street at 8.15pm
LIVE: Theresa May to address nation from Downing Street after Brexit delay request
The latest updates from Westminster and Brussels following Theresa May’s request to extend Article 50 for three months.
https://news.sky.com/story/live-theresa-may-to-request-only-short-delay-to-brexit-in-letter-to-eu-11670753
Q. When was the referendum again? A. 23rd June 2016.
She will announce No Deal Brexit on schedule and blame the EU for the mess. She will also announce her resignation with immediate effect so that she can blame her successor. The man who understands Brexit best is Mr Raab whose advice she ignored when he was brexit Secretary.
Ne’er cast a clout till May is out but this year that might come prematurely.
Vince Cable is stating that Corbyn walked out of May’s, all party sit down because the TIGers were represented. The No. 10 spokesperson specifically said earlier today that the TIGers were being invited. I do despair but at least I have a potential escape route. Pity those in England and Wales who will have to stay and suffer.
For those without options in Scotland or Ireland, Norwegian is selling flights from Gatwick to Rio de Janeiro at £240, unfortunately only starting on 31 March.
Walks out of that yet sits down with Hamas and the IRA.
Could be worse I suppose, he couldve been sucking up to FoI, a completely unforgivable action.
Insofar as the international kommentariat pays any attention to the old twister, Mr Jeremy Corbin has been getting a lot of stick from it over his walk-out.
Yeh, at a moment of national crisis and Corbyn chooses to reenact the “splitters” scene from Life of Brian”.
May’s meeting with party leaders and Chukka was nothing but a desperate PR tick-box exercise. Nothing new was offered or achieved. The scandal was May further wasting everybody’s time when she and her party had created a national crisis.
Link included.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=iS-0Az7dgRY
Why should Jeremy Corbyn even breathe the same air as the treacherous Chuka, who sees himself as a Labour leader in waiting but currently lurking with the TINGERS before he makes his strike.
As was being asked on LBC this morning, who is funding him and his cohort. Is his ‘party’ even registered with the Electoral Commission?
Two questions:
– are Mr Umuna and the other defectors calling themselves a party?
– who’s been funding the Labour party ?
And an observation : asking why Jeremy Corbin should “even breathe the same air” as Chuka Umuna seems to me to reveal a somewhat extremist take on political developments and an shameful level of intolerance.
The TIGers? More like the LOSTdepositors!
Shocked into action by the terrifying warnings of N_ and others, I have been preparing for Brexit by dipping into some colonial wines, such as tonight’s Californian Zinfandel. I think we can weather the storm.
You’d better not be at your computer at work drinking or Fleming and Parker will demote you to teaboy at GCHQ.
Ah Charles, sticking up for your work mate how touching, one lump or two.?
So was that a yes or a no?
@ Anon1 March 20, 2019 at 19:40
Californian Zinfandel! Top quality GMO grapes…sleep well.
Not sure if this is the latest on the Brexit fiasco.
“France, Spain and Belgium are ready to veto a Brexit extension, the Press Association understands. … It is understood French president Emmanuel Macron believes Brexit is holding up his plans for radical reform of the EU and needs to be brought to a conclusion.”
Italy might also object.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2019/mar/20/brexit-latest-news-letter-article-50-extension-pmqs-theresa-may-bends-to-pressure-from-tory-brexiters-and-rules-out-asking-for-long-article-extension-politics-live?page=with:block-5c928823e4b0a5422e638710
Anyone else think Jacinda Ardern is overdoing it a bit? Just turned on the tellybox and she’s floating around like some sort of deity, warning us never to utter the name of the man again, whilst talking about nothing else.
Yes, I think she’s overdoing it too.
I disagree. She has shown her kindness and gentleness when consoling the survivors and relatives of the victims but she is also a decisive prime minister, viz her action in banning certain weapons.
viz these tweets
‘Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez
Sandy Hook happened 6 years ago and we can’t even get the Senate to hold a vote on universal background checks
w/ #HR8.
Christchurch happened, and within days New Zealand acted to get weapons of war out of the consumer market.
This is what leadership looks like.’
Keith Boykin
“Today I am announcing that New Zealand will ban all military-style semi-automatic weapons.” – New Zealand Prime Minister Jacinda Arden.’
An article about the Jacinta hype on WSWS:
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2019/03/21/arde-m21.html
What a non-speech by Theresa May! She didn’t even reference John Bercow’s ruling, let alone the statements by Donald Tusk and other figures that EU27 will not grant a short extension unless the Commons backs the existing deal.
Psychological projection…!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4ifSrE8iSg (George Ezra, Blame it on the MP’s)
https://www.daysoftheyear.com/blog/blame-somebody-else-day/ (bad blog, they suggest 10th April as Blame Someone Else Day)
it is purely to explain to lots of ppl who do not follow the news, why, they are (might be) still in the EU at the end of next wk
We are so going to miss you
https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2019/0320/1037548-irish-history/
N_
My previous abusive comment about Mrs May was deleted so I’ll try and put it more politely Mrs May is an outright liar. All the bogeyman of brexit , Johnson, Drawl, Fox and Tusk are shadows to distract us from No Deal on time.
It’s a vet irritating politics of deception, feeding us with will o the wisps and leprechauns until the clock is up.
All politicians always lie.
[ Mod: FYI, your comment was deleted due to the misogynistic content of the final paragraph:
“I blame May. Women never hold onto ideological principles for a second. They are designed to compromise and confuse.”
Regards. ]
I will attempt to describe you politely in the hope that my comment will be allowed to stand (I believe it would find silent support from many).
You are a generally foul-mouthed, obsessive, disturbed bore who will not stop posting about either “poshboys” (although you admit your own poshboy origins) or political Islam (despite being a mere convert to that religion).
You seem – by your own rambling admission – to have fallen out with family, employers, neighbours and almost anyone else you care to mention. One of the reasons is, I suggest, that you have the hide of a rhino and an overwhelming (but mistaken) sense of your own rectitude, rightness and interest to others.
I would advise a good long look at yourself.
Bostick
Mods are having a Me Too moment about May`’s incompetence so you thought you’d have a Me Too moment about my private education and religion.
Anyway it’s Troll dancing day today first day of spring.
Have fun.
Thank you Charles, that was very entertaining, of not a tad impolite.
I remember during the GFA talks, much being made of the distinction between “principle” and “compromise”.
For Paisley, “compromise” was a dirty word, all that mattered was the principle.
Yeah, it’s very much a male Enlightenment or Classical concept, and quite hard to live by in a changing world.
It is possible all these delays and lost votes are simply May’s incompetence and lack of judgement, as in the General Election. But if so, why have the Tory bosses not removed her?
So it looks quite possible the real strategy is No Deal Brexit, and that May is either a witting or unwitting accomplice in achieving it. Her controllers would know that ‘planned’ No Deal Brexit would be anathema to most voters and that the Tories would pay a heavy price for carrying it out, especially as their manifesto promised a deal.
So quite possibly they calculate that if No Deal is made to look like an accident and May is made a scapegoat, the Conservative Party might live to fight another day, while also ensuring their objectives.
Tom, very likely.
Either Mrs.Theresa May is Dim-Witted and is a tool for securing Hard Brexit, with the E.U.
getting the “intransigence” tag
or
Mrs.Theresa May ( and some of her cabal) have agreed to run this to the wire, seeming to want her deal but all the time hoping that parliament does not go for it, leaving Hard Brexit as the default move, with a side order of blaming the Elite of Europe.
Maybe the real strategy is to panic Britain into withdrawing its withdrawal. That would be a big victory for the Union. Brexiteers and other nationalists would be mortified by the inexorability of the federal civilising (or civilizing) impulse.
Do you know that 57% of Conservative Party members favor a No Deal Brexit.
Some 46% of the general population are in favor of a No Deal Brexit while 22% support the proposed deal.
Maybe the general population are not quite so stupid as the communist educators would have planned to achieve. Perhaps ordinary people understand what the EU means when it says that the UK must not be allowed to achieve a competitive advantage by exiting the EU.
In other news the Hungarian Fidesz party have been suspended from membership of the largest center right group in the EU Parliament – apparently they are upset about some anti Soros messages. I wonder if this means that no Hungarians will vote for Fidesz in the upcoming European elections. Is it not odd that only British liberals and British intellectuals wish to be associated with extreme right wing politics in the EU. It is even odder that these same people never miss an opportunity to smear and besmirch ordinary people as knuckle dragging racists.
Never in the field of human discourse was so much shit, fed to so many, by so few.
With a headscarf on.
Doesn’t Islam mean – Submission?
Shame on this crowd from Twitter.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twitter#Leadership
Founder(s)
Jack Dorsey
Noah Glass
Biz Stone
Evan Williams
Omid Kordestani (Executive Chairman)
Jack Dorsey (CEO)
Ned Segal (CFO)
Access has been restricted to Christine Assange, Julian’s mother.
‘Twitter Restricts Account of Julian Assange’s Mother
March 19, 2019
The social media giant has given no reason to Christine Assange who had turned to Twitter to campaign for the liberty of her son. The Twitter account of Christine Assange, the mother of the arbitrarily detained founder of WikiLeaks, has been restricted, she told Consortium News on Tuesday.
“My Twitter account has been ‘blocked due to ‘unusual activity,’” Ms. Assange wrote in a text message. Twitter, however, has provided her no reason for its action.
Ms. Assange is a prolific user of Twitter in her campaign to free her son who has been a refugee in the Ecuador embassy in London since 2012.’
/..
https://consortiumnews.com/2019/03/19/twitter-restricts-account-of-julian-assanges-mother/
Twitter’s operating income in 2017 was $2.44 billion.
Amazed that censorship could be a double-edged sword. Hashtag something.
@ freddy March 20, 2019 at 22:38
‘Facebook just suspended Natural News for 7 days for posting this rather ho-hum fluoride infographic’:
https://www.naturalnews.com/2019-03-19-facebook-just-suspended-natural-news-for-posting-this-fluoride-infographic.html
‘…The insanity of the tech giants’ censorship continues to expand by the day. With Twitter having permanently banned the Health Ranger account several weeks ago (@HealthRanger) after I criticized Twitter CEO Jack Dorsey for his involvement in a shady crypto scheme, Facebook has now decided to suspend Natural News for seven days for posting the educational fluoride infographic you see below….’
Then there’s this enlightening video about CIA/Facebook:
‘The Suspicious relationship between FACEBOOK And The CIA’:
https://www.brighteon.com/6015026154001?fbclid=IwAR19UVD3f80Ms6mnEEH5Ge3SqhF5Qt4fglDPqvEa03OXUfQP3bW3BEJGsa4
Good thing I haven’t got Facebook or Twitter accounts. I’d be banned in no time just for my views on climate change.
Do you think that the thoughts poured into this blog are not noted and stored?
@freddy
I expect they are but how is that relevant?
Hi Paul. Link between FB and a certain US intelligence Agency? Not possible, surely. Conspiracy theory at its most egregious 😉
Clark, read your lengthy responses earlier – back reading is rather difficult here, so….
I always really appreciate your replies. I kinda felt I was trolling you a bit – not my intention – but I think you felt the same way, I mean I might have read it that way myself, coming from a stranger on the internet
I think we both follow the spirit of science. One aspect of that is to question everything, is it not? Almost by definition, a good scientist/engineer, is a conspiracy theorist – which, in essence, means challenging accepted ideas.
Your move 😉
It is no wonder that Blair wanted the EU Presidency after he finished his highly paid sinecure in Jerusalem.
17 December 2018
The European Union’s highest grade of civil servants will be paid more than €20,000 euros (£18,000) a month for the first time, after EU salaries and pensions were increased retroactively from July 1 this year.
The increase means that Jean-Claude Juncker, the president of the European Commission and Donald Tusk, the president of the European Council, will earn about €32,700 euros a month, about €550 more than previously. The increase, meant to cover the cost of living, is equivalent to €6,600 a year.’
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2018/12/17/christmas-bonus-brussels-bureaucrats/
Juncker and Tusk are receiving the equivalent of £340k pa approx. Plus many benefits I should imagine.
Sharp Ears
Shocking Earnings for public servants.. in these times times of Austerity everywhere.. Yellow vests coming up for WK 19, I hear Macron has Banned future protests.. Wonder how that will work out.
Cheers for re-posting last nights talks at ‘ Imperialism on Trail ‘
In hindsight, it may be better viewed after the event. Then one has the Option of fast forward.. All the speakers were Very good indeed. I couldn’t help wondering if there were folk in the audience, who had zero idea what is going on.. Listening to these Speakers.
Looks like the Irish Love to get heard too.. Q n A Lol.. I mean After 3 hours.. A couple of points yes, ok.. But going on n on.. JUST ASK YOUR QUESTION.. I wonder if that’s Lagavulin Craig has In the Glass.
Brian
I was amused to read your comments on ‘Imperialism on Trial’. I had caught the last half hour or so of the live stream and couldn’t believe what I was witnessing. Initially I didn’t realise that I had come in on the Q&A session. I presumed these were speakers invited to lecture because of their particular expert ‘take’ on the issues under discussion. It was only when the administrator politely said to them “That’s all very well but can you just ask your question” that I realised that it was the Q&A. The last lady even initially responded with “I understand, but it’s more of a statement than a question” and then went on for a further five minutes or more solely to demonstrate the ‘wisdom’ of her research into human psychology. Unbelievable. I mean, it was 10.45 p.m. I was shouting at the video stream (“for G’s sake, just shut the f… up!”) in sympathy with the panellists who were too polite to say it!
During 25 years in the Civil Service and several years serving on a local Council Committee, I attended many conferences over the years and came to the realisation that all Q&A sessions should always allow for (a) people who clearly hadn’t listened to the presentations as the answer to their question had already been covered, and (b) people who selfishly just love the sound of their own voice and sense of self-importance even if it means pontificating about something of no relevance to others present… who just want to get home!
Birmingham mosques attacked with sledgehammers: Muslim worship centres vandalised.
Extreme Far Right Anti-Islam Parties to take control of The Netherlands, following the tram shoot out in Utrecht.
So the Far Right of Europe are capitalising on Terror for political control.
“Extreme Far Right Anti-Islam Parties to take control of The Netherlands, following the tram shoot out in Utrecht.”
You got some things wrong:
“Forum for Democracy” is not “extreme right” in the sense of Wilders, Marine le Pen, Salvini, Orban, etc. It is more an extreme liberal/free market party but with a big dose of populism thrown in. The “right/left” labels don’t really work well for many new parties like “Forum for Democracy”, Italy’s “Five Star Movement” etc.
In any case, “Forum for Democracy” got at most 20% of the vote in provincial elections NOT a general election. Also the turnout was low (as it always is in provincial elections) so motivated (angry) voters were overrepresented.
What is more worrying for me is that there is a general shift away from the traditional left. The far left Socialist Party (of which I used to be an active member) saw it’s vote halved, while the centre left PvdA (Labour Party) is now just a minor party, while it once dominated Dutch politics together with the Christian Democratic party. The Green (GroenLinks) party did quite well, but their gains did not make up for the shift to the right.
Although the Utrecht attack played a role, the main topic of the elections was the planned Dutch “climate accord” – an amibtious cross-party plan to drastically reduce CO2 emissions. Many less well-off Dutch households fear the plan will lead to very high costs in switching from gas to more sustainable heating systems and also high energy bills, extra amounts they simply do not have.
As a matter of fact, polls showed the shooting in Utrecht had no impact on voting there. In Amsterdam, Forum came in 6th, behind PvdD (Party for the Animals).
Wilder’s PVV is the most racist and anti-Muslim party. Votes for PVV fell as Forum got more popular, most notably in Rotterdam.
There has not been a significant shift to anti-Muslim bigotry, particularly not because of the shooting earlier in the week.
As ever, Norton gets it completely wrong.
The governing centre-right coalition in the Netherlands has lost its senate majority after a populist party surged in provincial elections.
The anti-immigration Forum for Democracy is set to win most votes and have as many seats in the upper house as Prime Minister Mark Rutte’s party.
The election came two days after a suspected terror attack in Utrecht.
Addressing supporters, party leader Thierry Baudet bitterly criticised Mr Rutte’s immigration policies.
“Successive Rutte governments have left our borders wide open.”
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-47648086
I don’t know how politics works in The Netherlands but The Senate sounds like our House of Lords.
Expats in living in the EU after March 29th disgusted at the thought of getting shafted by the British government on healthcare.
http://archive.is/fm41T
Can anything be more ridiculous than New Zealand’s reaction to the massacre than much stiffer gun control when a foreign assassin, probably again in Israeli employ, and blaming it on domestic right winger youths for such trouble when its security forces must get up to speed. It’s just what Israel wants.
Well THF, the Bulgarian Press (integrity cluster?) is starting to mention that the alleged shootist might have had spooky contacts in Булгарйя?
I’m more impressed with Glenn Greenwald’s logic defeating the US integrity cluster here:-
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/2019/03/20/so-is-nancy-now-a-kremlin-asset-intercept-editor-guts-russian-collusion-theory-n2543464
Of course, no one mentions Anders Breivik, and Israel’s attempted assassination of former New Zealand PM Helen Clark when it comes, don;’t mention his name, Sheldon Tarrant.
There is no mention on Helen Clark’s Wikipedia entry of an assassination attempt against her, neither does a Google search reveal anything.
I am puzzled.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helen_Clark
https://twitter.com/HelenClarkNZ
Does Wikpedioa mention the assassinations of JFK. RFK, M:LK. Malcolm X et al.. and that the CIA did them” Thought not.
@Trowbridge
Do you mean this?
http://www.theinsider.org/news/article.asp?id=1104
@THF – that is more of an admission that I think you intended.
Do you have any evidence of these Israeli connections or are you a troll making mischief?
Why do you think that New Zeakand broke relations with Israel after the attenpted merdier, and would not restore them without a deep apology? This was just after Dagan had assassinatec Swedish SoS Anna Lindh.
Start reading the news and stop looking for trolls.
What ” merdier” are you referring to?
The only thing more stupid in reaction to gun massacres is to continue to sell military grade assault weapons to members of the public, however as an American I doubt you will see that.
Tell me, Trowbridge, how exactly is stiffer gun control in New Zealand exactly what Israel wants? How does Israel benefit?
It’s a great dummy for its secret killings.
Would you care to expatiate on their motives and desired outcomes?
I doubt it.
Yes, I would if the mods promise not to delete it.
With just eight days to go to Brexit, the British government are about to launch Operation Yellowhammer.
Kent is now in implementing the operation.
http://archive.is/EPQmu
Neil Basu Britain’s counter-terrorism chief, claims that newspapers are radicalising people into becoming terrorists. Basu particularly criticises the Mail Online, which posted the Christchurch shooters manifesto.
Basu said it was ironic that the press blames Facebook and Google for the hosting extreme content. Whilst the likes of the Mirror and Sun newspapers rushed to upload the Christchurch shooters video feed.
Of course the British security services have never played any part in radicalising people.