In Sweden, prosecutors have applied to the Swedish courts to issue a warrant for Julian’s arrest. There is a tremendous back story to that simple statement.
The European Arrest Warrant must be issued from one country to another by a judicial authority. The original Swedish request for Assange’s extradition was not issued by any court, but simply by the prosecutor. This was particularly strange, as the Chief Prosecutor of Stockholm had initially closed the case after deciding there was no case to answer, and then another, highly politically motivated, prosecutor had reopened the case and issued a European Arrest Warrant, without going to any judge for confirmation.
Assange’s initial appeal up to the UK Supreme Court was in large part based on the fact that the warrant did not come from a judge but from a prosecutor, and that was not a judicial authority. I have no doubt that, if any other person in the UK had been the accused, the British courts would not have accepted the warrant from a prosecutor. The incredible and open bias of the courts against Assange has been evident since day 1. My contention is borne out by the fact that, immediately after Assange lost his case against the warrant in the Supreme Court, the British government changed the law to specify that future warrants must be from a judge and not a prosecutor. That is just one of the incredible facts about the Assange case that the mainstream media has hidden from the general public.
The judgement against Assange in the UK Supreme Court on the point of whether the Swedish Prosecutor constituted a “judicial authority” hinged on a completely unprecedented and frankly incredible piece of reasoning. Lord Phillips concluded that in the English text of the EWA treaty “judicial authority” could not include the Swedish prosecutor, but that in the French version “autorite judiciaire” could include the Swedish prosecutor. The two texts having equal validity, Lord Phillips decided to prefer the French language text over the English language text, an absolutely stunning decision as the UK negotiators could be presumed to have been working from the English text, as could UK ministers and parliament when they ratified the decision.
I am not making this up – you will find Phillips amazing bit of linguistic gymnastics here on page 9 para 21 of his judgement. Again, it is impossible that this would have been done to anybody but Julian Assange; and had it been the outcry from the MSM against the preference given to French wording and thus French legal tradition would have been deafening. But given the state’s unhidden animus against Assange, it all was passed quietly with the law simply amended immediately thereafter to stop it happening to anybody else.
The law having been changed, this time the Swedes have to do it properly and actually go to a court to issue a warrant. That is what is now happening. As usual, the Guardian today cannot resist the temptation to tell an outright lie about what is happening.
The main headline is completely untrue. Sweden has not filed a request for arrest. Sweden is going through its judicial processes – which it skipped the first time – in order to decide whether or not to file a request for arrest. This gives Assange the opportunity to start the process of fighting the allegations, which he strenuously denies, in the Swedish courts. However at present his Swedish lawyer cannot access him in Belmarsh high security jail, which is typical of the abuses of process to which he is subject.
It is not political correctness which prevents the UK mainstream media from investigating the extraordinary nature of the allegations against Assange in Sweden. In the case of Nafissatou Diallo, for example, the entire UK mainstream media had no compunction whatsoever in publishing the name of the alleged victim from the very first moment of the allegations against DSK, and the likelihood or otherwise of the entire story was raked through in detail by every single national newspaper, and extensively by the BBC.
I have never heard anybody even attempt to explain why it was OK for the MSM to look in detail at Diallo’s accusations and use her name, but Anna Ardin and Sofia Wilen must never be named and their story must never be doubted. The answer is not the position in Swedish law – the Swedish law states that neither the accuser nor the accused may be named, which law has been gleefully broken in Assange’s case every day for nine years. When it comes to Assange, he is simply to be reviled. He is provably treated differently by both state and MSM at all points. It does not matter to them that his arrest warrant was not from a judge, or that the media apply entirely different rules to investigating his case, enforced by a feminist mantra they do not believe or uphold in other cases. He is simply to be hated without question.
Why has there never been a documentary in the UK like the brilliant “Sex, Lies and Julian Assange” from the Australian Broadcasting Corporation’s flagship Four Corners programme? Please do watch if you have not done so already:
https://www.abc.net.au/4corners/sex-lies-and-julian-assange/4156420
Julian Assange revolutionised publishing by bringing the public direct access to massive amounts of raw material showing secrets the government wished to hide. By giving the public this direct access he cut out the filtering and mediating role of the journalistic and political classes. Contrast, for example, the Panama Papers which, contrary to promises, only ever saw less than 2% of the raw material published and where major western companies and individuals were completely protected from revelation because of the use of MSM intermediaries. Or compare Wikileaks to the Snowden files, the vast majority of which have now been buried and will never be revealed, after foolishly being entrusted to the Guardian and the Intercept. Assange cut out the intermediary role of the mediating journalist and, by allowing the people to see the truth about how they are governed, played a major role in undercutting public confidence in the political establishment that exploits them.
There is an interesting parallel with the reaction to the work of Reformation scholars in translating the Bible into vernacular languages and giving the populace direct access to its contents, without the mediating filters of the priestly class. Such developments will always provoke extraordinary venom from those whose position is threatened. I see a historical parallel between Julian Assange and William Tyndale in this respect. It is something worth bearing in mind in trying to understand the depth of the State’s hatred of Julian.
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They just don’t care about due process or rule of law anymore.. It may well turn out to be a good thing, because if we get a moral government, the people involved in this corruption will be hoist by their own petard.
Tony,
Not so simple.
‘At one point the platinum-haired hacker was hiding from the CIA in David Leigh’s London house. Now, together with the paper’s investigative reporting team, Leigh and Harding reveal the startling inside story of the man and the leak.’
‘Inside Julian Assange’s war on secrecy’
https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B008YYZVUI/ref=dp-kindle-redirect?_encoding=UTF8&btkr=1
Yes, that’s the Luke Harding who wrote the entirely fictional Manafort-Assange story and who also wrote ‘Collusion’ about Russian interference in the US election. On the inside track of Julian Assange and Wikileaks.
This is David Leigh. Professor in Reporting!!
https://www.city.ac.uk/people/academics/david-leigh#profile=overview
‘David is Assistant Editor at The Guardian’
When Assange was in his house* he was a Guardian/Integrity Initiative investigative reporter. Just like his co author Luke Harding.
*hiding from the CIA. LOL !!
Hypocrisy, as opposed to once being a grave a vice, is now consider a government virtue – a sign that one can be flexible when required.
…..on the other hand,
Sedition:
……..An intention to show that His Majesty has been misled or mistaken in his measures, or to point out errors or defects in the government or constitution as by law established, with a view to their reformation……
With respect to Sedition, Craig, pointing out publicly the fact that the government is “mistaken in his measures” or “pointing out errors or defects in the government” falls under the definition of sedition.
You have obviously be accused of many things during your life, but has sedition been one of the things yet?
Making an example of undesirables and trouble-makes has a long and jaded history!
James Cook
Craig pointing out HMG’s breaking national and international Law is not sedition.
The British Muslim proxies who HMG are using in Syria in order to flout international Law are openly avowed against everything British even down to being an English revert or convert to Islam. Their community detestation of anything British is in reality sedition and the British scholars of Islam fully intend to take that sedition to its logical conclusion.
But our politicians know full well that only the political class will benefit from the destruction of the Syrian people by the British takfir is and they also know that when the cultivated hatred of those takfir is gets implemented in the UK it will be a cowardly attack on innocent civilians like the recent attacks in Sri Lanka , not an attack on the political class who are their colleagues in international crime.
Jo Cox who took an unhealthy interest in the welfare of the Syrian people { from HMG’s point of view } [despite believing the official narrative on the White Helmets] was murdered imho by an HMG tool.
Just as the murder of 50 innocents in the mosquevin Christchurch NZ was done with a military weapon by Five eyes tool.
Yet knowing how corrupt our political class are, the USUKIS Daesh still tried to claim Sri Lanka massacre of innocents was revenge for the Sri Lanka massacre when they knew perfectly well that both massacres were staged by the corrupt political class of USUKIS as a Gladio shock to the voters of the Anglo Saxon world.
Apparently fermenting right wing politics for the benefit of the guess who?
Daesh and Tories. Coming to a neighbourhood near you.
Error: revenge for Christchurch.
They, i.e. global far right and fascist Islamic state , realised how bad that sounded after a few days and changed their story to revenge for Daesh killed . Whoever in 5 eyes concocted that had no knowledge at all of the rules of Islam. Divide and rule Zionry just make them up as they go along.
Jo Cox . . . was murdered imho by an HMG tool.
Here is someone who agrees with you?
“The film proves beyond reasonable doubt that the official version of events is wholly untrue. Richard presents compelling evidence that the man blamed for the attack was a patsy and played no part in any murder, if indeed there was a murder. The film looks at all the CCTV evidence, witness testimony and physical evidence. Also featured are interviews with witnesses who have been kept out of mainstream media and were not asked to take part in the trial. The film suggests a plausible motive for a highly organised plot to remove Jo Cox from her position of MP. Her departure occurred just one week before the UK Brexit referendum and the film explains why this may have happened. This film contains extensive analysis by statement analyst Peter Hyatt. ”
https://www.richplanet.net/richp_genre.php?ref=266&part=1&gen=99
ISIS is being regrouped in northern Afghanistan as we speak, for a push into central Asia/Russia.
https://southfront.org/isis-2-0-rise-in-central-asia-and-russia/
“preference given to French wording and thus French legal tradition would have been deafening”
EU law is administrative law i.e. Napoleonic Code not English Common Law, in order to be part of the EU English Common Law had to be destroyed and with it our rights. This can be seen with the on going problem of the EU Bird Directive. In English Common Law we had the right to control pests on our land, the EU Bird Directive protects all birds, so farmers did not lose all their crops HMG came up with the General License that allows the taking of specific species of birds for protection of crops, songbirds etc. Chris Packham et al. threatened HMG with legal action over this, the part of HMG that deals with the General License, Natural England, which is headed by a friend of Mr. Packham, caved in at the threat. This has lead to large scale crop destruction and will result in some farmers going out of business, and suicides will follow just like with dairy farmers who were previously destroyed via the end of EU milk quotas. So your fellow countrymen are being sacrificed daily on the alter of your glorious EU. Things are working the way they were intended to by the EU, especially with Assange.
Under which law does SEPA operate? That is the Scottish Environment Protection Agency.
Salmon farming company Mowi ‘investigated over chemical use’ claims BBC Panorama
Mowi, which was previously known as Marine Harvest, is said to be among those being looked at by regulators Scottish Environment Protection Agency (Sepa)
https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news/salmon-farming-company-mowi-investigated-16305087
A rhetorical question here.
Is there a problem with salmon farming?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-48266480
I have never eaten it. The damage to the environment (the sea bed for instance) and to the wild stocks is massive. The farmed fish are dosed with an organophosphate. https://theferret.scot/sick-salmon-scottish-fish-farm-film/
Lol Listen, sharp pants… when people think of Scottish salmon, they are supposed to think of these fish swimming and jumping around in little sparkling mountain streams, captured by earnest “chentlemen” who sport beards and kilts.
Move along now…
Quite so.
Sainsbury’s sell ‘responsibly sourced’ Scottish salmon for £15/kg.
‘Responsibly Sourced
We take care to ensure all our salmon is the best it can be. Here are some of the reasons why:
All Sainsbury’s salmon is sourced by dedicated farms around the west coast and isles of Scotland chosen for their ideal conditions. The farms use responsible management to protect and maintain the natural environment. The salmon are fed a bespoke diet designed to protect our natural resources from over fishing and guarantee great taste and nutritional benefit for you.’
Clever PR at work …dedicated…responsible…protect…bespoke… Even their use of the word ‘farm’.
Average punters wouldn’t have a clue what goes on.
I read the ferret article… very depressing. I stopped eating salmon about 25 years ago when a relative got a job on a farm and told me what was going on. They inject them with stuff too, when they’re young. He wasn’t sure what th stuff was but was told he’d probably die if he injected himself by mistake.
This is one of those cases where tinned wild salmon is the much much better choice.
You simply can’t farm fish. When you think about it, it’s even worse than battery chickens; at least you can kinda identify each individual chicken.
Irish and Scottish salmon are something you fish yourself or buy from just caught, in a proper river or sea. You’ll know it when you see it.
That’s it!
All the rest is pretend food.
With a corporate label.
Farmed, and added wotsits and whatnot. What’s wrong with the real thing.
You can feed yourself from Scottish rivers, and Irish rivers, they’re still quite special in that regard. Or from the sea.
Round wee fishing ports you can catch or get cheap freshly caught fish.
There’s absolutely no excuse that Island peoples become deficient in excellent quality protein, and become obese and fat on cereals and sugar.
So, yeah, real life requires a wee bit more effort.
And a dark eye to the way the government man is running things.
‘Average punters wouldn’t have a clue what goes on’
True. Salmon farming is polluting and the commercial wildcaught fishing industry has been saying so for a while now. This is one way to inject more transparency, and with potential for even greater detail if consumers demand it. So, demand it.
https://www.colto.org/2019/01/23/austral-to-use-blockchain-to-track-toothfish/
I can tell you firsthand that salmon farming in scotland is utterly gruesome. The vast majority of front line workers would refuse to eat the stuff, purely because they see each day how abused and adulterated the fish are. Once you have seen fish swimming around with half of their skin eaten away by sea lice, their fins worn or eaten to nothing, their eyes fallen out, pathetically flapping away in their thousands on the surface of the pen – you lose the ability to see it as food. Rampant disease, overcrowding, medicating. No other farming industry in the world could routinely sustain 70% mortality rates and still make a profit.
SEPA was captured by the corporations (MOWI et al) years ago, and now just acts as an industry lobbying body to scotgov. Scotgov likewise sold out when the chinese market mushroomed. Apparently the industry is too valuable in job creation, however automation and the profit imperative sees the vast majority of revenue returning to shareholders and senior management. As diminishing numbers of technicians undertake an often dangerous job, for diminishing salaries. All hollyrood sees is GDP, regardless of the real world economic effect.
There is now practically zero external environmental or ethical oversight on the industry operators. And now, as the ethically inconsiderate chinese consumer base becomes more important than the domestic one, demand side pressure on corporate responsibility is all but gone. China will eat anything that scotland can produce. It is a race to the bottom in squeezing maximum productivity from scottish waters – at any environmental long-term cost.
As for the fish pens themselves. They are a hell on earth for Salmon. These fish evolved to swim from scottish waters to greenland and back each year. However they are squeezed at absolute maximum densities into pens. Here they are pumped full of artificial fees, steroids, antibiotics, and various medications to fend off the inevitable disease which plagues the sites. In the wild an atlantic salmon would take years and years to grow to five kilograms. The salmon farms now force these fish to the same size in little over a year.
How come farmers going out of business and having their earnings interrupted will commit suicide? But everyone else in every other sector of the economy can experience; redundancy; performance related sackings; job loss; relocation; insecure working etc – and this is regarded as a routine feature of economic life which they adapt to by finding other work , not a precursor to suicide?
Also, UK bird populations have crashed since the 1970s ( when farmers generally earned much more money than today), some species are at 1% of their populations then. Surely enough of them have been killed?
Maybe the birds are topping themselves too.
Farmers can hedge against abnormal weather etc, EU/HMG deciding to destroy your livelihood is another matter and can lead to bankruptcy due to not being able to service loans, leading to break up of families, depression and suicide. This doesn’t happen with normal job loss as most people don’t have job related debt.
“That is just one of the incredible facts about the Assange case that the mainstream media has hidden from the general public.” Special mention should go to the smear by Joan Smith in the Telegraph, to which comments were not allowed.
Worth mentioning that a desire to deny him a run at the French Presidency was rumoured to be the reason for the sting on Dominic Strauss-Kahn. Not that the accusation against him should be automatically discounted. Given DSK’s patterns of behaviour, the accusation was credible.
This Joan Smith presumably.
Joan Smith @polblonde
Joan Smith Retweeted Julie Owen Moylan
‘Exactly.’
Julie Owen Moylan @JulieOwenMoylan
‘Swedes are applying for EAW for rape charge subject to the court agreeing. That should take priority over the US extradition and also makes those who said the rape was trumped up to extradite him to the US look like the idiots they are.’
https://twitter.com/polblonde/status/1130380979955277824
Moylan describes herself as a ‘Welsh feminist’. Joan Smith is married to Denis MacShane. Enough said. He is an eEx MP. Went to Belmarsh for falsifying expenses. Pro Iraq war. Zionist Israel supporter. Henry Jackson Society. etc etc.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denis_MacShane
I think it might be jumping the gun to claim
“Swedes are applying for EAW for rape charge”
it is, as of this moment,
one “victim” ( who has not been named)
requesting her council, to make a suggestion to the Swedish Prosecution service,
that this case be re-opened.
This is all smoke and mirrors, what trump is really coming to London for is to get HMG behind him to carry out his promise to shylock adelson, nuclear war on Iran. But Iran with its 500k+ missiles can raze bagram,centcom,greenzone,fifthfleet,kuwait/Iraq airbases,telaviv,etc to the ground and 80 US patriots will not help, more US casualties than in the entire Vietnam war in 4 hours.But May is clearly not in a position to offer up the country to the neocoen warmongers, and like in 2013 there cannot be war without the UK. What will give?
A link to this YT came to me from a fellow supporter of the Palestinians via e-mail.
Scott Ritter: US may start a war with Iran ‘by mistake’ to appease the Israel lobby
Public Enquiry 20 May 2019
Interview with Scott Ritter, former US Marine Corps Major about this week’s attack on oil tankers and a pipeline, threatening Persian Gulf oil supplies – he discusses US’s position on Iran at present: reasons for US demonising Iran; one Norwegian, two Saudi Persian Gulf oil tankers attacked; attack on pumping station on a Saudi Aramco oil pipeline; Iran nuclear deal US in non compliance; do Iran have nuclear weapons?
Iran nuclear deal: Tehran to lift cap on uranium enrichment. A year after US pull out from agreement, Iran says it is no longer committed to parts of the deal with world powers. Nuclear weapons on black market; is Israel safe with nuclear weapons? End of the US empire?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iu8RFhxb7rA&feature=youtu.be
Elijah Magnier has some interesting perspectives, don’t be put off by the introductory text, we’ll worth a listen.
http://aroundtheempire.com/2019/05/20/ep105-war-with-iran-elijah-magnier/
Iran is not rolling over to the US bullying.
‘No talks, only resistance’: Iran’s Rouhani rules out negotiations under current US stance
21 May, 2019
‘He added that the Iranian authorities feel the support of ordinary people who did not buy into the idea that Iran is responsible for the spike in tensions, despite attempts by “the enemy” to portray it as such. The unilateral nature of Washington’s sanctions is prime evidence of Iran’s victimhood, Rouhani said.
“If we walked away from the JCPOA [Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action – the formal name of the nuclear deal] with the US provocative acts, then, in addition to the US, the UN and world would also impose sanctions on us,” he said.
Rouhani admitted that the US sanctions crackdown on Iran has taken a toll on its economy, having severely impaired the Islamic Republic’s international trade, considering that some 87 percent of global financial transactions are conducted in dollars. That shrunken ability to deal with the outside world and decreasing government revenues are Iran’s two main concerns at the moment, he said.’
https://www.rt.com/news/459856-iran-us-talks-resistance/
Sharp Ears, also this interesting discussion- Colonel Larry Wilkerson feels the attacks may have been false flags rather than Iranian or Iranian aligned attacks. Interesting clip of Trump talking about the MIC too.
https://youtu.be/08j-kaXHobY
American Caesar always uses its contractor, the zionist antisemite occupation of Palestine, as a pretext for doing what it wants.
Obserwary your comment is like Diarrhea,
there seems to be no correlation
And notice that he called Adelson “Shylock”, tappng into the Shakespearean anti-semitic trope.
Bostick
Are you pro butterfly bullets for people who have no sanitation or medicine? The Israelis perpetuate all the tropes without any help from anyone else.
Since you use the word “Israelis” : do you hate the Israelis or just the Israeli government?
Logically, since you dispute the legitimacy of Israel’s existence, you must hate the Israelis, but feel free to tell me I’ wrong.
Here’s your chance to clarify your position since you do refer to Israel or Israelis in just about every post of yours.
Obserwary says:
” like in 2013 there cannot be war without the UK.”
2003?
I wonder how much JA was an issue in the elections in Oz ?
It looks as if the dodgy pollsters and social media and msm wizards had a field day stealing yet another plebiscite with the same impunity as they have become accustomed to.
From the indy ref, to brexit; from Brazil to Africa; from Asia Thailand/Indonesia) to Australia. The ex Bell Pottinger PR mutations into IoS/II, state controllers SCL and their heavy tech weaponry FB/CA/AIQ and gazillions of foreign dark money is never going to play fair.
Not while gormless and toothless electoral commissioners are politicaly controlled.
Not while wormtongued journos are actually gate keepers.
Not while owned ‘opposition’ politicians are prepared to throw easy wins by finding their own versions of ‘dementia tax’ to throw their supporters.
I’m waiting for the ruskies done it again false flag! Thats the codswallop line that will be used when the anger spreads – Carol you’re needed dahnunder!
When our general election finally arrives a lot of attention needs to be given to the wizards playbook as they attempt to rob us in broad daylight once more!
Dungroanin – JA didn’t get a mention in the Australian pre-election ‘debate’. The Greens leader issued a reasonable statement weeks beforehand but, to the best of my knowledge, the duopoly parties were silent. My emails to politicians about JA’s plight do not even get a standard acknowledgement.
Jeremy Hunt : Human rights are universal rights and we must all play our part. So v proud @ritaUNHR is today announced as the FCO’s first International Ambassador for Human Rights. Rita will speak up for all those without a voice – and champion our values as she does so https://twitter.com/Jeremy_Hunt/status/1130428818597003267
Hollowest words of 2019?
Sorry Antonym for duplicating that below.
Assange fanboys Off Guardian had a jolly good laugh about Integrity Initiative participant Carole Cadwalladr appearing at the Frontline Club.
https://off-guardian.org/2019/05/04/embedded-on-the-frontline-carole-cadwalladr-and-osi/
I replied
‘The Frontline Club is owned by aristocrat Captain Vaughan Smith, an EMBEDDED journalist with the British Army in Afghanistan. Vaughan Smith put Assange up in his stately home while under house arrest. Assange is a bigger fraud than Cadwalladr.
See also
‘He (Assange) had been (hiding) at the Frontline Club, the central London haunt for reporters, which is owned by Captain Smith’.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/house-arrest-on-an-estate-so-big-his-tag-may-not-work-2162641.html
Every twist and turn of the Assange/Wikileaks story places Assange in the company of British intelligence.
So what is your theory as to why British intelligence would blatantly help JA blacken the name of the USA? What do you think their game is?
There was nothing of any value in those leaks. The biggest red flag that points to Wikileaks being an intelligence operation is the fact that (American) material claimed to be classified was published in the Integrity Initiative controlled Guardian (and NYT).
It’s completely ludicrous.
It did give Wikileaks the credibility to leak material that gave rise to the Arab Spring on behalf of the NED (previously the CIA).I believe that was the reason for the creation of Wikileaks.
“Amnesty International hails WikiLeaks and Guardian as Arab spring ‘catalysts’
The rights group singles out WikiLeaks and the newspapers that pored over its previously confidential government files, among them the Guardian, as a catalyst in a series of uprisings against repressive regimes, notably the overthrow of Tunisia’s long-serving president, Zine al-Abidine Ben Ali.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/may/13/amnesty-international-wikileaks-arab-spring
Ludicrous is right. I’d suggest you tell HQ you will need better material in order to erode support for JA on sites like this one and offguardian.
What McCoo says merits careful examination. After all, let’s face it, stranger things have happened. As someone recently said on this blog : question everything; if it’s the official line : be sceptical and expect deceit. That must be right, innit?
Smart people worked out that Wikileaks was a fraud back in 2010. Even corporate shills Greenwald and Scahill didn’t believe it.
James Corbett – Wikileaks + MSM Hype = ?
https://youtu.be/UjW4s5EtG6s?t=156
One conspiracy theory the resident establishment troll is eager to endorse. Says it all…..
Rita French, formerly Hunt’s PPS at DCMS, has been promoted to become human rights ambassador at UNHCR.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/may/20/uk-appoint-first-human-rights-ambassador-rita-french
That’s a first. Jobs for the girls. https://www.gov.uk/government/people/rita-french
First job for you Rita. Free Julian Assange and restore his human rights.
Kirsty Brimelow QC issues a warning to her.
The UK’s first ever international human rights ambassador will become a “laughing stock” if the government does not practice what it preaches, a former chairwoman of the Bar human rights committee has warned.
https://rightsinfo.org/uk-appoints-rita-french-as-human-rights-ambassador/
@SE
“rights ambassador at UN”
this is of course the very same UN that is likely to criticise the UK very soon for the Chagos “rights” lack of,
We are doing awfully well today aren’t we under the caring, sharing Tories.
Jamie Oliver’s restaurant chain is going belly up. 1,000 jobs will go.
British Steel is also on the verge of going into administration. 5,000 workers are directly affected. Possibly as many as 20,000 workers, including those in the supply chain, will be out of work.
is this the same Oliver who posted great recipes on YouTube?
Yes. There is a tangled web of multiple companies which will make a paradise for the lawyers and accountants sorting it out.
This is a list of some of them under the name of one of Oliver’s fellow directors.
https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/officers/-3m9i-iZd-TzUc8fja0iIlMr-NI/appointments
Who’s inventing names for those companies? 🙂 just listen
Paul Gregory Hunt’s “Fresh Partners”
Yes Tatyana, bish bash bosh, and you’re unemployed! The same Oliver.
The mainstream media, commenting on Jamie Oliver’s companies’ insolvencies, talk about increased rates and rents but never once mentions austerity. This policy, which has created so much unemployment, uncertainty with zero-hours contracts etc etc, has led to most people being unable to afford the luxury of eating out. We’ve seen huge increases in people relying on food banks to get enough foods to feed their families. Going to a Jamie’s for a bowl of overpriced pasta, no matter how tasty, remains a luxury that most can’t afford.
I truly feel for the 1200 employees who have lost their jobs. And with the elections upon us again, we keep hearing how well the Tories have handled the economy!
Ingwe, a joke for you
– Mom, what is patriotism?
– Son, this is when people work every day so that we can have villas abroad, expensive yachts, take worthy places in the Forbes list and so on.
– But mom, don’t people get angry about it?
– Of course they are, it’s called extremism!
Oliver did put some money in. His brother in law, an ex city trader who was warned about insider trading, seems to have been the driving force in the financial side of the outfit.
Oliver has previously acquired a £10m house in Hampstead and recently a ‘mansion’ in Essex, so not exactly on the breadline. The Heil had all the details today plus three other stories. The indebtedness of the group is £75.1 million!
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7053329/Jamie-Olivers-restaurant-chain-prepares-administration-putting-1-300-jobs-risk.html
KPMG has been quick in closing up the restaurants.
Spot on, Ingwe. I regularly use several of Jamie’s published recipes at home – they work well – and often eat out out, but have only once visited one of his restaurants. Overpriced is the right word. If I’m going to spend that sort of money I want something a bit special. Samie Jamie isn’t up to it. .
Ingwe
Should the government have stepped in to rescue the Jamie Oliver chain of restaurants? A use of public money could have saved those jobs, couldn’t it. Or would there have been a better solution? Any suggestions?
Bostock-as usual, you pretend to miss the point being made and instead seek to derail the discussion. The point I was making, as is perfectly clear, is that there was no discussion of austerity being the real reason Jamie’s restaurant failed. This policy has empoverished the U.K. As the U N report has made clear today.
And no, I don’t believe in bailing out private business with public money. I don’t believe in capitalism at all. The insolvencies are a direct consequence of market failure and no amount of tinkering with capitalism will work. It is behaving as it’s intended. Hence the increasing inequality in the world.
Charles you’re being uselessly contrarian. Ingwe is writing about the effects of austerity. Austerity has been about getting the poor to pay for the rich (the 2008 crisis has been used to effect a massive, on-going and increasing, redistribution of resources from the bottom to the top) without addressing the fundamental problems that caused the crash in the first place (so, it is believed, the next crash will be even more severe).
A lot of public money has been spent and debt created to effect this policy of “austerity” – so it’s not really about saving public money is it?
But, I would guess, you know all this already!
Ingwe
Is my question incompatible with what you wrote about austerity? I don’t think so – at last n ot so incompatible as to justify your faux-outrage (and that of AC-DC just below you).
But actually you did write, as part of your comment :
“I truly feel for the 1200 employees who have lost their jobs”
thereby justifying my comment/question entirely, wouldn’t you agree?
Charles, I’m not outraged. What you are doing is trolling and I would normally ignore, but I believe you are a strong support of Scottish Independence (unless I am mistaken in my recollection). I am taking issue with you because the types of posts you are making is exactly the kind of posts those who will be trying to scupper Scottish Independence will be making and, let’s face it, you’ll hardly be in a position to object.
So please post what you ever you really believe and don’t come the raw prawn just because you’re bored and want a bit of amusement.
AC-DC
I’m never bored when I read the posts on this blog .
But if you’re bothered to respond to something I’ve written, why don’t you respond on the substance instead of just giving other readers your views on why I post? Wouldn’t that be less boring and a better use of your undoubtedly valuable time?
Charles, you’re “bored” that’s why you post – you’re troll-like behaviour is what “entertains” you.
I responded to the substance of your comments (as did Ingwe) – you just chose to ignore the response. It is you who don’t address the points made and just deflect, change the subject and just be contrarian for the sake of it. I really wouldn’t mind if you:
1. You actually said what you wanted, meant or believed , and…
2. I didn’t know that you were a strong supported of Scottish Independence, and…
3. Was engaging in the very behaviour that will be used to frustrate Scottish independence.
The advice for Trolls is “do not feed”. So, if you wish to engage in trolling behaviour, then you will end up being ignored and you will end up with no “entertainment”.
Now, why don’t you try responding to the points people make instead of engaging in whataboutism.
Request for detention of Julian Assange
20-05-2019
Deputy Director of Public Prosecution Eva-Marie Persson has today submitted an application for a detention order to Uppsala District Court, in which she requests the court to detain Julian Assange in his absence. After the detention hearing the prosecutor will be present for questions from the media.
“I request the District Court to detain Assange in his absence, on probable cause suspected for rape (less serious crime). If the court decides to detain him, I will issue a European Arrest Warrant concerning surrender to Sweden”, says Eva-Marie Persson
https://www.aklagare.se/en/news-and-press/press-releases/?newsId=3257261
We should hope, that this woman will have to spell out in intimate detail, what, in this case, is her interpretation, of rape.
Documents seen by the Guardian reveal for the first time the full details of the allegations of rape and sexual assault that have led to extradition hearings against the WikiLeaks founder, Julian Assange.
https://www.theguardian.com/media/2010/dec/17/julian-assange-sweden (2010)
Eric McCoo, the article to which you link
is more than eight years old.
I wrote (2010) at the side. It is a comprehensive discussion of the material at the time and worth reading for that reason.
Eric McCoo, perhaps you are being disingenuous?
There were two complainants.
The possible case made out for one complainant was dropped some time ago, this complaint, can not be re-started.
There is only one possible charge, that can now be brought, which has been characterised
as lesser degree rape, against one person.
Eric, thank you for the link.So, Mr. Assange is a heartbreaker (and condomhater), it all looks like jealousy of women.
The Guardian article is based on similar material, though more luridly presented, which was eventually contained in the book “Assange in Sweden.The Police Investigation” (Edited by Bridget Hunter) published 2013 and obtainable from Amazon. This provides the police transcripts of the parties’ statements made to the police August – October 2010. The editors comment on it being a “Klara Kops” investigation i.e. seriously and absurdly flawed from beginning to end. It includes the analysis of the negative testing for JA’s DNA of the infamous split condom. A couple of minor points interested me. One was the use of an unqualified translator used in JA’s interview, but who had close connections with the America Embassy. The other was that Sofia Wilen’s boy friend was also American and was still registered at her address at the time of her dalliance with JA, but had started to study at the prestigious and expensive Hyper Island Business Institute. The description of her appearing at the seminar in a stand out bright pink jumper which unavoidable attracted much attention, also makes one wonder about what was really going on here.
Every day we come in contact with many people, such as shaking hands or hugging. But we don’t ask them to get tested for tuberculosis or scabies, we don’t go to the police to make them to.
A woman who invited a man to bed and they had consensual sex, how can she force the man to pass medical tests? What court can force a person to be examined?
After all, the woman passed the tests herself, so what’s the matter?
It’s clear that this is a false pretense. Either to satisfy a woman’s hurt pride or something worse. In any case, Assange has every reason not to believe that women are sincere in their intentions.
Someone ought to tell this twerp that the UK is described as :a democracy’.
UK home secretary wants closed hearing to keep MI5 security breaches secret from public and media
British Home Secretary Sajid Javid has applied for a secret hearing at the high court to prevent the public and media from finding out about the nature of “serious” surveillance safeguards breaches committed by M15.
May 20, 2019
https://www.rt.com/uk/459837-javid-secret-hearing-mi5-breaches/
There is also a link within to details of the UK’s torture policy. The banality of evil.
‘The UK government has been accused of developing a secret policy that allows ministers to break the law by authorizing intelligence-sharing with allies where there is a serious risk of torture of detainees.
Ministry of Defence (MoD) documents released under a freedom of information request, dated November 2018, have revealed a provision that allows cabinet ministers to pass on information that could lead to abuse of detainees, according to the Times. The UK government denies any wrongdoing.’
https://www.rt.com/uk/459796-britain-torture-secret-policy/
Funny how serial killers are treated with more respect and due process by the legal system.
Bliar, Straw, Broon, Cameron, May?
A thread from TLN on the Assange case, inc about Amal Clooney’s role. An article from 21st Century Wire and Craig’s description of the Judge Snow sentencing ofJulian are included.
Note Ms Clooney’s absence from the scene in spite of her earlier protestations for Justice for Julian.
http://members5.boardhost.com/xxxxx/thread/1558451914.html
Mr. Murray wrote his thoughts on the incident in the Kerch Strait
https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2018/11/the-murky-sea-of-azov/
https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2018/12/azov-again/
You may be interested to know that State Bureau of Investigation (GBI) of Ukraine opened a criminal case against Petro Poroshenko on suspicion of treason.
Andrei Portnov (former Deputy Head of Yanukovich administration) claims that Poroshenko committed treason when he tried to introduce martial law in the country, for which purpose he sacrificed Ukrainian sailors and sent them to the Kerch Strait.
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sorry for the off-topic, there is no appropriate discussion to post it there
I found this Tatyana regarding the endangering of soldiers’ lives.
https://sevendaynews.com/2018/09/03/the-sbu-opened-a-case-of-treason-against-poroshenko-said-the-deputy-of-the-verkhovna-rada/
But I also found that it was not the first impeachment challenge. Yulia Tymoshenko set out proceedings on embezzlement charges.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/ukraine-election-candidate-says-president-should-be-impeached-over-embezzlement-scandal-a8797931.html
It made me laugh that someone herself imprisoned on corruption and embezzlement charges had the gall to challenge PP on similar charges. They’re all a load of crooks if you ask me.
Thanks, Craig Murray for a very enlightening – if extremely depressing TRUTHS…
The British Judicial system is absolutely corrupt and disgusting! To give preference to a FRENCH interpretation of the Law is outrageous!
The media are beyond pathetic and biased.
The Swedish are no better!
Assange’s treatment by all is despicable! I ran out of epithets to express my dismay, sadness and anger.
It’s a pity the people can’t bring a case against the UK Government for gross unfair practice. It seems to have broken the law in so many ways and on so many fronts: from denying the Ecuadorian Ambassador to take Julian, who was given diplomatic status, to go in a diplomatic car from the Ecuadorian Embassy to the airport out of the country…. to giving him 50 weeks in solitary confinement in a maximum security prison for skipping bail, based on no charge. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KXUTazL5V4k
Not to mention the fact that the Home Secretary, Sajid Javid is responsible for giving Sweden the ok to extradite Julian to the US – This man, SJ, and the PM, Theresa May, were both on the list that approved the continuation of prosecuting anyone who blew the whistle on VIP child abuse under the Official Secrets Act in February 2015. How can these people morally judge anyone, they are as corrupt as it gets? https://www.exaronews.com/ministers-block-move-to-lift-official-secrets-act-for-csa-scandal
OPCW & DOUMA
Below is the (slightly improved) text of a an email that I sent to my MP (elected representative) regarding the latest Douma incident revelations (which I adapted from a post written by Peter Hitchens). As there appears to be very little in the western media about this and that the whole fake chemical attack routine is being re-heated for Idlib then commentators may like to adapt the text below to send to their own elected representative.
“Dear (MP),
As you are no doubt aware, a leaked document, written by one of the Organisation for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons (OPCW) most experienced investigators, shows that it is very likely that gas canisters found at the scene of an alleged poison gas attack in Douma (Syria) were placed (and not dropped from helicopters). The OPCW has now confirmed that this report is true. This means that the decision of UK, France and the USA made in April 2018 to bomb Syria was based on a falsehood.
The OPCW’s official report on the Douma incident made no mention of this finding. This makes it appear that the OPCW was placed under pressure, or hijacked, by (western) political forces which were seeking justification for military intervention in Syria.
The impression is left that the Douma incident was probably staged and that the UK (along with France, US and rebel interests) were involved, in some way, in setting up this fake incident.
It would seem to me that all MPs should be shocked and concerned about what appears to be the truth about the Douma incident, but it does not seen to any concern at all to among the British people’s elected representatives. I cannot understand why this should be so?
I would draw your attention to the lies that surrounded the Iraq War (2002) and the lies that appear to surround the Douma incident (2018) and that both were about engineering a military confrontation and involving the UK (and other western nations and allies) in war and war crimes.
I would ask for you to call for an enquiry to investigate:
* The involvement of UK, other western nations and allies with rebel forces in organising a fake incident in Douma.
* Whether undue pressure was put in the OPCW by the UK, other western nations and allies such that the OPCW independence and objectivity has been compromised.
* Whether a covert operation involving the UK, other western nations and allies was in place to engineer a confrontation with Russia.”
A rapid response from the State Dept, as ‘reported’ by Reuters and printed in the Guardian today. YCNMIU.
US accuses Syrian government of fresh chemical weapon attack
State department says it will respond ‘quickly and appropriately’ if use of chlorine is proven
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/may/22/us-accuses-syrian-government-of-fresh-chemical-weapon-attack
Pure chaff above. Chaff = WW11 material put into the air to avoid radar detection.
‘Chaff, originally called Window by the British and Düppel by the Second World War era German Luftwaffe (from the Berlin suburb where it was first developed), is a radar countermeasure in which aircraft or other targets spread a cloud of small, thin pieces of aluminium, metallized glass fibre or plastic, which either appears as a cluster of primary targets on radar screens or swamps the screen with multiple returns.
https://www.cnbc.com/2019/05/22/us-says-signs-syrias-assad-regime-may-be-using-chemical-weapons.html
It is not a coincidence that they, are yet again making this up
to use as cover, for the false Douma “Chemical” attack
that did not happen.
@ michael norton May 22, 2019 at 13:28
Unfortunately, it is worse than that. It is the prelude to a new attack on Syria by the Great Satan and it’s crony fiends.
@ Sharp Ears May 22, 2019 at 12:48
There is a big difference between chaff, used to protect aircraft from enemy fire, and the lies about Assad using CW’s, used and to be used as ‘justification’ for more attacks. Any damage or bloodshed is on the hands of the MSM as well as the perps, for not properly examining and printing the other side of the picture, the truth.
I’m sure your MP recognises a vexatious communication/request when he (or perhaps she) sees one. He (or perhaps she) will surely bin your email upon reading. Given the demands on MPs’ time, is your action really the best use of their time, your time and indeed of public funds?
I’m sure we all recognise a vexatious communication when we see one.
@Twirlip-oh yes we do! But the contrarian is more boring than vexatious.
What an educative forum, no doubt, it is! I’ve just learned a new word ‘vexatious’. Just look what synonims are to the ‘vexatious’:
– annoying
– bothersome
– galling
– irritating
– pesky
– vexing
Cambrige dictionary says:
VEXATIOUS specialized *law* –
having little chance of succeeding in law, but intended to annoy someone or cause problems for them
It will be a new jewel in my collection of previously learned words, such as ‘asinine’
thanks everyone for the opportunity to learn new english words, your contribution is priceless 🙂
MPs must act like I do with vexatious posts, metaphorically bin them, usually without reading the contents.
Presumably you regard it as vexatious because you regard bombing other countries for no reason as perfectly acceptable.
At various times during the course of today the Guardian’s lead story has been trumpeting the elimination of facebook sites spreading ‘fake news’ to million of people around Europe, and peddling this new “US claims new Syrian chemical attack” drivel. They have produced an entire story about chemical attacks in Syria that includes references to the Douma incident, and yet says nothing at all about the current controversy.
I genuinely wonder at the mentality of editorial staff and so-called journalists who are willing to prostitute themselves to this level. Katherine Viner for example. What are the specific thoughts that are going through her mind as she executes this process?
Stonky, when people need to justify their actions, they shift the responsibility to other people or to certain circumstances. That simple, refuse to be responsible.
Nazi soldiers would say “we had order”, collaborators would say “we were taking the right side”, thouse who didn’t fight would say “we were worried about our own lives” – even such big evil as fascism finds justification among people.
So let Katherine use one of above.
The thing is Tatyana, Katherine Viner is not a Nazi soldier within a strict military hierarchy who could find themselves facing a firing squad for disobeying orders. She’s the managing editor of a national newspaper. And nobody could stop her from talking about the Douma incident if she wanted to, otherwise how can Peter Hitchens talk about it?
She’s choosing to do what she does because she wants to do it, and that’s what I struggle to understand. My views are about as partisan as they come, but I struggle to imagine myself staring at a lie and calling it the truth, and staring at the truth and calling it a lie.
Sometimes a person has many strong ‘pro’s and just a few weak ‘contra’. For example, a strong ‘pro’ is having resources to eat and to feed one’s family, to have safe house, to take respectable pisition, or aligning with some powers that can be in other ways profitable.
And a little ‘contra’ – the necessity to sometimes allow yourself to be persuaded, to sometimes hush the tiny remorse.
It works in all types of collaborators.
DUMP THE GUARDIAN.
It was once a great newspaper, produced and printed in Manchester.
Now it is just a newsheet for the propaganda of the warmongers and the gangsters-in-charge
@ Sharp Ears May 22, 2019 at 17:06
But do they worry? They are too valuable to the PTB to be allowed to fail – they will be propped up by hooks and by crooks (mostly the latter).
” The OPCW has now confirmed that this report is true. ”
Have they? You sure about that?
They’ve admitted it came from within their organisation but that’s a long way from admitting that it’s contents are accurate.
Kempe, you are being extremely disingenuous. The OPCW is not disputing the existence or accuracy of the leaked report. They are only expressing concern that the report has been leaked.
Its absolutely disgraceful that the OPCW can bury vital information when it suit the agenda. How many other reports are there with vital information omitted, to the benefit of the USA or other nations such as Saudi Arabia in Yemen or Israel in any number of illegitimate sorties in the ME?
The OPCW’s credibility took a bit hit in my book.
They have disowned the report by pointing out that it was released unofficially and also that the author was not part of the OPCW fact finding mission which means he wouldn’t have had the chance to examine the cylinders or their location first hand.
Nowhere has the OPCW confirmed that the report is true.
Personally, I would have thought that any rational interpretation of the words “the OPCW Technical Secretariat is conducting an internal investigation about the unauthorised release of the document in question…” would lead to the conclusion that the OPCW is recognising ownership of the document rather than “disowning” it.
But then I’m not a pathetic liar desperately trying to shore up his fast-crumbling belief system in the face of all available facts and common sense.
When you say “…which means he wouldn’t have had the chance to examine the cylinders or their location first hand”, are you claiming that this is what the OPCW has said? Or is this your interpretation of what they said? Because to my knowledge they have never said that, or anything like it.
But let’s take your argument at face value anyway. It appears to be this – Ian Henderson couldn’t have produced an authoritative report, even if he had all the findings of the FFM team and the consultant engineers available to him, because he didn’t have the chance to examine the cylinders or their location first hand…
What would be great, Kempe, is if you would square this with your no-doubt-ironclad belief in the reliability of the OPCW report on the Khan Shiekhoun incident, given that not a single OPCW expert was ever within a hundred miles of the location of that particular “sarin attack”.
Seriously Kempe. Have a go. Square the two. Tie yourself in knots. I really love watching your cognitive dissonance in full flow…
if it was untrue they would have said so immediately, since it would have negated their embarrassment and that of their puppetmasters.
Quite right. It has been clear from the start that the Douma attack was a false flag by the US/UK-funded White Helmets.
As I’ve pointed out in several comments the bomb on what looks like a child’s bed is laughable. I suppose the hole in the roof broke its fall. Ha. Ha. 😀
And it is not just the OPCW RoS. It’s the OPCW, WADA, OSCE, UN, UNAIMIT и так далее. They are all in the pocket of the US and its puppets.
Le Mesurier should be in prison, not Julian Assange.
“Thus, if the White Helmets were not actually trained in first aid – as the above suggests – what did Le Mesurier and his team actually train them to do?”
https://www.mintpressnews.com/james-le-mesurier-british-ex-military-mercenary-founded-white-helmets/230320/
” It has been clear from the start that the Douma attack was a false flag ”
Well you wouldn’t believe anything else.
An object punching a hole through a roof is going to have some of its energy dissipated and be slowed down as a consequence. If the roof is strong enough its velocity might be reduced to zero. I think a child of six would understand that.
If the UN is in the pocket of the US I take it we can safely dismiss their recent rulings on the Chagos Islanders and Julian Assange as just another evil American plot?
maybe you should write to the ocpw and inform them their engineers have an understanding of velocity weaker than a 6 year old child’s. perhaps then you will finally get your statement that the leaked engineering report is inaccurate.
Come now Kempe, don’t be a feardie. Here’s your logic:
1. Ian Henderson couldn’t produce an accurate report of the Douma incident, even though he had all the detailed analysis produced by the on-site FFM team and the engineering consultants, because he didn’t actually visit the site…
2. The OPCW could produce an accurate report on the Khan Sheikhoun incident, even though not a single OPCW representative was ever within a hundred miles of the site…
Stand up for your logic Kempe! Provide a coherent explanation – you know you want to! Tell us how you are able to simultaneously believe both (1) and (2)…
One of the fine points of detail of the leaked report is that the ‘bombs’ were just standard chlorine cylinders. Metal fins had supposedly been attached to them to stabilise them as they were falling from the helicopters that definitely dropped them. Both sets of fins were dislodged by the impact. One set of fins was photographed in the vicinity of the cylinder just after the attack, but the fins had disappeared by the time the FFM arrived. The other set of fins were still beside the cylinder.
The thing is, if you are going to attach a set of metal fins to a gas cylinder so that it can function as a bomb, you have to have some means by which they are attached. The FFM team could find no evidence that either cylinder had ever had anything attached to it, or how the fins might have been attached – rivet holes, screw holes, bolt holes, weld marks, you name it…
Kempe’s explanation is that the fins were attached with chewing gum, to trick people.
You’re fucking hilarious Kempe. Try dropping something the size and weight of that gas cylinder on a child’s wooden bed from six feet above it, and see what happens to the bed. Keep buying more beds and repeat the experiment. Do it a hundred times. Film it all, and post the video here. Go on, do it. Give us all a belly laugh.
The bed clearly collapsed under the impact.
https://i1.wp.com/off-guardian.org/wp-content/medialibrary/douma-location-4.jpg?ssl=1
Doesn’t look like a child’s bed either.
The fins were attached by the metal harness clamped to the cylinder that can clearly be seen in the photo. Here’s a clearer image:-
https://al-bab.com/sites/default/files/chlorine-cylinder.jpg
So no chewing gum and nothing unexplained except i n your own minds.
Glad to oblige.
Nope. The bed clearly didn’t collapse.
A bed should withstand the impact of a 20 stone man jumping off the wardrobe onto his equally obese spouse.
That bed looks buggered to me. The cylinder entered the building on a near horizontal path, ricocheted off the floor, hit the wall just above the bed and fell no more than 2-3 ft. It’s in the OPCW report which nobody seems to have bothered to check.
Your replies just get dafter and dafter Kempe. No wooden-framed bed would withstand a 20 stone man jumping off a wardrobe onto it, let alone having a huge gas cylinder dropped onto it. And the bed just looks messy (with all kinds of spillages and contaminations on it, which don’t seem appropriate), not damaged. Remember, this cylinder had fins strapped to it? The purpose of fins is to enable the ‘bomb’ to fly vertically, in a stable flight path, so that it doesn’t go gliding miles off-target. According to you, the fins didn’t work at all, and it landed on the roof horizontally, which broke it’s fall and reduced it’s speed to zero. Then it fell through the roof and resumed it’s horizontal flight path!!! No wonder the OPCW’s engineers (in the suppressed report) dismissed this scenario in favour of it having been placed on the bed.
Are you talking of that cylinder that has an undamaged valve? Do you understand the pressure inside the gas cylinder? Have you ever seen the precautions taken while transporting gas cylinders, because a little impact can make them burst out?
I don’t believe in horizontal hits against a roof, a floor, a wall with undamaged valves.
Damage to the cylinder and valve would’ve depended on the angle at which it penetrated the building. Sure the cylinders had rudimentary fins strapped onto them but there’s not guarantee they’d have worked as intended. The purpose of fins on a bomb is to create drag at the rear so it flies on a straight, predictable path and doesn’t tumble, a bomb dropped from an aircraft will initially continue to travel horizontally at the same speed as the aircraft. If the aircraft is flying at low level than the bomb will still have significant horizontal speed when it hits the target.
The other thing is that if you were trying to fake a bomb attack would really just leave one of the bombs on a bed? Really?
Nope. The purpose of fins on a bomb is to create a vertical flight path. And this one was allegedly dropped from a helicopter, so horizontal speed on impact would be negligible. The cylinder would most certainly not be travelling in a horizontal position at impact, and would not only have gone through the roof and bed, but the floor as well.
You forgot to answer Tatyana’s point about the undamaged valve, and the instability of loaded gas cylinders when moved.
“The other thing is that if you were trying to fake a bomb attack would really just leave one of the bombs on a bed? Really?”
Well, yes, that is exactly what you would do if it were a gas cylinder (not a bomb) and you were faking a chemical attack. What would be the point of faking the attack if there were no evidence to be found by investigators?
You need to get back to your line manager, Kempe, and get your story a bit more straight. Either that, or concentrate on debating on fora where people are easily fooled.
Read:-
https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-purpose-of-using-fins-in-the-unguided-bomb
You honestly think that fitting four bits of scrap metal onto the back of a bomb would slow it from the aircraft’s speed, which could be hundreds of MPH, to zero? Please do explain how this works.
Even a helicopter could be moving at over 100 mph so a bomb dropped from low level could still have significant horizontal velocity. Helicopters don’t just hover.
Anyone trying to create a realistic looking scenario wouldn’t think of leaving a bomb on a bed, you’d leave in on the floor or half buried in a crater.
I don’t need to explain to you about bomb flight when released from an aircraft travelling at hundreds of miles an hour because helicopters don’t travel at hundreds of miles an hour. They don’t even travel at a hundred miles an hour, or any significant speed at all when they are doing reconnaissance (such as looking for a target on which to drop a poison gas cylinder).
So now you’re saying the fins didn’t do their job? Make your bloody mind up man, you change your story like the wind.
“Anyone trying to create a realistic looking scenario wouldn’t think of leaving a bomb on a bed, you’d leave in on the floor or half buried in a crater.”
I’ve already corrected you on the fact that this wasn’t a bomb, but a poison gas cylinder, but you persist with your disingenuity. Of course you would put it somewhere that rams home the desired ‘human damage” effect, if you were faking an attack. It would be idiotic not to.
Anyway, the OPCW engineers dismissed the daft theory to which you so desperately cling. The big question is why did the OPCW management ignore the recommendations of their on-the-ground engineers and suppress their report, which resulted in a concerned OPCW employee leaking said report?
ADKC
When you put together the evidence about British lies about Douma,, British lies about Russia in the Skripal story and British lies by Foreign Secretary Johnson in praising Al Qaida in Syria to Parliament, I think it’s clear we urgently need a change of government.
Even if the majority of the British electorate choose to ignore British lies about illegal wars it cannot have escaped their attention that British Steel has just gone into receivership solely on account of a narrow core of Tories in the ERG who pretend that Mrs May’s Withdrawal Bill could ever have accommodated a hard border in Ireland
These fantasies have no grip on reality at all. They have made the UK a laughing stock in the world . The Liberals have vowed to continue to back the Tory nutcases even if they are diametrically opposed to their policies on Brexit.
Hence my Crystal ball tells me that Jeremy Corbyn should win today’s election with his realistic Norway plus ideas. Trouble is it’s programmed to answer the question ” who is the fairest of them all? ” with the answer Boris Johnson.
Is that because they know Johnson will give them their carpet bombs on Damascus regardless of starting a third world war?
I really do believe that’s what Joe Bloggs really wants. They really don’t like having a female prime minister who won’t start this 12 year old war.
Off topic but… not entirely unrelated.
It appears that another whistle-blower has ended up falling foul of the law, according to Nexus Newsfeed: https://www.nexusnewsfeed.com/article/human-rights/another-whistleblower-bites-the-dust/
It’s the third time The Intercept has proved to be a less than safe conduit for whistle-blowers.
O/T myself here.
How the British state releases pre-planned propaganda on everything from social media to hand picked testimonies after an “event”. With the aim of conditioning your response.
https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/mind-control-secret-british-government-blueprints-shaping-post-terror-planning
@ Pete May 22, 2019 at 19:3
‘Billionaire Pierre Omidyar’s double dealing’: https://www.voltairenet.org/article182455.html
I believe they have also sabotaged the remainder (most) of Snowden’s leaks.
Bit like Anna Arden – ‘Come into my boudoir, Julian darling’ v Intercept/Omidyar – ‘Come and give me your secrets, you brave whistleblowers’.
I remember reading the 2012 Supreme Court judgement on whether ‘prosecutors’ are ‘judicial’ which I did as an interested observer who was just curious as to what such documents looked like. It was a fascinating exercise, but even back then I seem to remember it all coming down to a single issue that, having just re-skimmed it, is nicely summed up in this paragraph in Lady Hale’s dissenting judgement:
“177.In this case, we have a situation where Parliament did use the same wording as the Framework Decision (“judicial authority”). But we also have a situation where the words in the Act of Parliament have (at least in my view) a clear meaning in United Kingdom law, while the words of the Framework Decision do not (at least in my view) have a clear meaning in Community law. Are we to disregard the clear meaning of the United Kingdom statute in order to conform to some unclear meaning of a European instrument which is only part of United Kingdom law to the extent that the 2003 Act makes it so? Given that we are concerned with a serious interference with the right to liberty, I take the view that we should apply the clear intention of the United Kingdom legislature.”
But it seemed that all but one of the other judges disagreed and that French-language hoop-jumping was appropriate.
Kent
” a European instrument which is only part of United Kingdom law to the extent that the 2003 Act makes it so?”
That is a fantastically silly “argument”. Totally meaningless!
You’re disagreeing with Lady Hale, not Adrian Kent.
To be fair, it’s pretty much a default setting.
Had the judgment started with a discussion on the weight to be attached to the English interpretation as dealt with in the final sections it would have been difficult to conclude other than a judicial authority meant a court or a judge – as Sweden incidentally is currently doing with the renewed application in the next week or so. I could not find any convincing argument that the Swedish prosecutor had any more judicial authority than, for example, the CPS which, as I understand, would not be an issuing body. A charge of confirmatory bias against such an august person as Lord Phillips would be difficult and could not be formally proved, but from the framing of the judgment there is more than a suspicion of it.
Crispa, you write “such an august person as Lord Phillips” (I know it’s not the point of your comment) and I want to say, I’ve seen it before in many forums.
For example, elsewhere I met a commentor who wrote, “I trust the investigation of Mr. *Someone*, whose 5 stars cannot lie”.
A thing I find extremely difficult to understand. Is the influence of authority/merit really that high up there?
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In Russia, no matter how high a person stands, he will not be trusted just because of his high position. Quite the opposite.
Tatyana at 21:03. Your comment reminds me of something. I grew up in the awful, corrupt world of apartheid South Africa. The government and people with real authority were largely made up of people in a secret Afrikaans organisation called the ‘Broederbond’ (the Brotherhood). One of them the former Minister of Justice, called Vorster later became Prime Minister.
When Minister of Justice, he commented on some members of the judiciary which, like the UK, is supposed to be independent of the executive (government). He said “you know, some of those judges think that they are there on merit!”
They were purely political appointments, yielding enormous power, yet totally unworthy.
Thanks, Ingwe. I think that to a large extent this explains the attitude in Russia. Especially to judges.
Have you ever come across the Elders Foundation?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Elders_(organization)
” In Russia, no matter how high a person stands, he will not be trusted just because of his high position. Quite the opposite. ”
Unless his name is Vladimir Putin.
Oh, be sure that Putin gets his due dose of grumbling, criticism and distrust
Which of those actions would you like to see the government take?
Other contributions welcome to this off-topic post.
Let’s debate and discuss!
Relic of the British empire, more like. The British military presence in Cyprus has nothing to do with the US-Soviet “cold war”. Said “Cold War” began when the US took over from Britain militarily in a number of parts of the world. It ended in the 1960s.
The “Truman Doctrine” related to the British withdrawal from India and from the three Mediterranean countries Turkey, Greece, and Palestine.
The missing step, is that Craig Murray has always wanted a Worldwide Socialist Dictatorship, controlled by The British and American elite, of which he has been a part since university.
The main problem with his plan, despite other outstanding qualities of intelligence, courage and integrity, is that he actually thinks this Dictarorship is going to be benign.
The other problem, is that I and Billions of other people, didn’t vote for it, because we think it is going to be completely horrendous, resulting in even more mass slaughter, and literal hell on earth for 95% of the population.
Tony
I’ll have some of whatever you are smoking.
“….we think it is going to be completely horrendous, resulting in even more mass slaughter, and literal hell on earth for 95% of the population.”
Isn’t that what we’ve got – and without any help from anything that even pretends to be socialism?
Off topic on this thread but on topic for Craig’s Murray’s blog.
Chagos Islands: UN officially demands Britain and US withdraw from Indian Ocean archipelago
1 hr ago
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/chagos-islands-uk-un-resolution-general-assembly-vote-indian-ocean-a8924656.html
Plus a short video
@ Sharp Ears May 22, 2019 at 20:51
The Independent now require acceptance of adverts to access articles. Pity, because it was the beast of the MSM IMO.
I’ll wait till other sources cover it.
I get round it by pausing Adblock. Bit of a fag though.
I can still read Independent articles OK. I’ve been using uBlock Origin instead of Adblock, for nearly a year I think, since Trisquel installed it by default and displayed a recommendation.
adblockers are announced to be soon partially or fully blocked themselves by the browser, so consider investing twenty quid in a small ‘maker space’ piece of hardware instead (requires a single line script to set-up)
https://pi-hole.net/
I’ll wait till other sources cover it.
Here’s the story on RT:
https://www.rt.com/news/460035-uk-told-leave-chagos-islands/
Alas the resolution isn’t legally binding, and although Britain may feel politically uncomfortable by the finding, in my opinion the British government will make polite noises towards the UN but do nothing of any significance.
Indeed. This is the so called ‘rules based’ new order. There are rules but they don’t apply to the USA, UK, ISraeL, and their acolytes.
John Goss says the UN is in the pocket of the US in which case we should ignore this ruling.
Kempe
Goss thinks that the UN is in the Americans’ pocket only when it says something Goss doesn’t like. When it says something Goss does like, hey presto! the UN’s no longer in the Americans’ pocket.
What’s your view on the OPCW story Charles? Are you shoulder to shoulder with Kempe on that one too? (The report is a fake! The engineers are all wrong! The fins were stuck on with chewing gum!)
Maybe you have a different, better explanation? Or are you just kind of struggling with this one?
I’ve noticed the same attitude to Amnesty and HRW. CIA controlled until critical about the US/Israel/UK then they’re back to being the good guys!
Note attempt to deflect the question and change the subject.
Sorry Kempe, I’m not changing the subject. I thought you were really interested in the OPCW issue. We were right in the middle of a lively discussion when you just… disappeared.
Anyway I won’t spoil your bro-mo with Charles. You can get back to me later and explain your fascinating Kempe patent bomb-fin chewing-gum attachment process theory.
It is always interesting to see the Tories display their savagery as they sharpen their knives ready for the next politicsl assassination, metaphorically speaking!
The May Closing Down Sale starts Friday.
Everything must go!
So what are the finer points of the rape, Jit is suggested Julian performed.
It is hinted that the condom broke but he persisted.
Is that really what normal people in Sweden, now consider is rape?
If so, they have entered a World where words have no accepted meaning.
In a World where words no longer have agreed meanings, how can there be court cases, no one would be able to understand anothers meaning.
Justice would revert to meaning, whatever the Elite said it means, that changing as the wind changes.
……………
“Assange’s Swedish lawyer Samuelson told AFP on Monday: “I’ve written the district court and said that they can’t hold a detention hearing until I’ve met my client and received instructions. Since he is currently incarcerated in London I haven’t even been able to establish contact over the phone yet.”……..
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2019/05/22/assa-m22.html
I am not familiar with the British legal system and maybe I am missing something here, but:
1) Has the sending J.A. in such a prison (max security) for such a minor crime and his isolation, been legally explained/excused?
Is there a precedent where a “bail-jumper” has spent his sentence in such a prison and not able to consult his lawyers for such a long time?
2) How come Pamela Anderson and Kristinn Hrafnsson can visit Assange in prison, but he cannot communicate with his lawyers or family?
3) Is there a source with reliable information about J. Assange’s current health?
It does seem strange that, so far, neither the father nor mother of Julian Assange has visited him in prison, yet neither have seen him in years.
Perhaps Julian has managed to send them a message?
Further thought. One can’t help but think there is something else going on here. I once read a rather garbled post about Assange, and previous work he did for none other than Cressida Dick. This was back in the day, when he was a young hacker. Work involved encryption, which allegedly our elites have used for considerable time, each having their own, secure encrypted channels, long before most of us had even heard of it. Tech suppression, it’s a thing. Anyhow, it appears that some of our elites have a specific use for this encryption: to hide their raving satanism and paedophilia. Hide from the outside world, but share with … fellow elites. Enter Assange, either to set up, or hack. Pass on information to senior police. Blackmail op set up.
I do not know the truth of any of this. I completely concede that it could be bullshit. The internet has so many false trails, who knows really? But the tech suppression is, I’m certain, very real. I saw an observation recently that the Romans were well aware of steam-power, and historians theorise it was suppressed, as it would affect the rich slave owners. Industrial Revolution in 18th Century, that’s a long time to suppress. Computer technology moves so fast, it doesn’t even need to be suppressed for that long. 10 years gives our elites a basically unbeatable advantage. In a way, it’s like they peer at us from the future, which is a good idea for a novel.
So yeah, the theory, with no evidence, is that Assange is in the shit not for the war stuff, but the … other stuff. And anyone who can’t see he is being treated abysmally is a fool. I note in passing that Cressida Dick was responsible for the death of that Brazilian plumber. Her reward, of course, was a promotion.
More conspiracy theories. Just what we need. You know, if the slant you’re espousing here was the official story, there would be millions of conspiracy theorists telling us that the real story concerned his involvement in hacking US government systems and releasing compromising information.
It’s the job of us who see things more clearly to tell you to get a grip and focus on the real existing world. What they’re doing right in our faces is grim enough — let’s not confuse matters by introducing more layers of complexity and doubt.
Hatuey
Of course what you says makes sense but what doesn’t is the amazingly harsh way that Assange has been treated out of proportion with his crime and the universal way the press has turned against him suggesting a very highly placed orchestration of events.
they have been quite mild given some of the suggestions for how he should be treated.
https://mobile.twitter.com/wikileaks/status/782906224937410562?lang=en
julian assange (legally) ran a TOR exit server to get some of his first scoops for wiki leaks. TPTB have been quite aggressive against those who disturb their own high-speed watering-holes,
Julian simply continued building his free information vision, attracting more negative feeling and the ‘soft assassination’ that is evidently still underway.
it’s also becoming evident that this aggressive stance by UKUSA is meeting with worldwide disapproval of the UK, not simply in the UN Chagos vote yesterday, but it has been revealed that due a Belarus voting error, the United Kingdom didn’t finish last in the Eurovision Song Contest, with sixteen points….
if I read
https://eurovision.tv/story/ebu-issues-statement-on-eurovision-2019-grand-final-result?fbclid=assange+sympathy
correctly, then I think our good singer, good song received minus eleven points?
I (rhetorically) wonder why USA doesn’t participate?
Julian Assange (subject of this thread) is in Belmarsh prison. Are any restraint methods being used on him? etc
Therefore very much on topic.
Prison officers ‘ignoring’ body-worn video camera rules
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-48337690
The most likely explanation is after the Mueller Report, JA had to be dealt with by the Deep State, before Trump pardoned him and asked him to talk about Hilary.