Is it not astonishing that the reviled Fox News will allow Roger Waters to put forward truths on the Assange extradition which are completely banned from the BBC, CNN, NBC and indeed from the entire rest of the mainstream media, both print and broadcast?
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It is kind of like not allowing the MSM to discuss or raise the issue of Joe Bidens’ dementia.
When the “fix” is in, its’ all in, especially with the MSM……and if any undesirable facts happen to be publicly discussed, well let it be done on “fringe” media, where it can easily be labelled as “conspiracy” and/or fake news. Y’all know the serious drugs those “rockers” have taken can scramble your mind and give a person hallucinations. FRINGE!
Fox and Tucker are no strangers to either conspiracy theories or fake news, too.
The fix is in for martyr Julian, just like rambling uncle Joe has already been selected to be the Democratic nominee, regardless to his deteriorating mental cognition.
I thought that Biden must be losing it too after so many gaffes. But this week I heard an interview with University of Virginia’s Larry Sabato. When asked if these were signs that Biden was past it, he said he has been observing Biden since the 1970s and – he has always been like that!
He has made verbal gaffe after gaffe throughout his career, mispeaking, augmenting his narratives – like the recent one about being arrested in Soweto on his way to meet Mandela after his release from prison, but his traveling companion at the time came out and sai, no, they were merely questioned at the airport by airport security – and they never went to Soweto. Biden is now as he has always been.
Fintan O Toole of the Irish Times said that Biden isn’t offering himself for who he is. He is a double negative. He is not Trump, and he is not Sanders.
I was like that when I led surveys in Africa. As I was technically in charge and at work 24 hours a day, working with clients and subcontractors in radically different time zones, I could be contacted at any time of day. I would not bother correcting typos even when I noticed them, so that the ones I did while pissed did not stand out so much.
Check out this article and watch/listen to the included historical videos of Mr. Biden……………………..and judge for yourself why anyone would want such a confused person sitting next to the nuclear launch codes?
https://medium.com/@caityjohnstone/stop-calling-it-a-stutter-here-are-dozens-of-examples-of-bidens-dementia-symptoms-b010c8e6b45c
Thank you for posting Johnstone’s article; it immediately came to mind when I read Terry Constanti’s comment.
No offense intended to the OP, but Larry Sabato’s expressed opinion is disingenuous at best. As Johnstone’s extensive sampling of Biden past and present reveals, the argument that Biden is presently not much different than he ever was is patently false.
I’m a US citizen, and in my less-enlightened past I even supported Biden; it seems a lifetime ago now. To sympathizers, Biden’s penchant for gaffes and other odd statements– including borrowing some verbiage from Neil Kinnock– was regarded with amused tolerance. Good old folksy Joe, always managing to find a way to step on his, er, organ of procreation!
But this amiable periodic incoherency is nothing like the present-day Biden’s cognitive and rhetorical irrationality. Only desperate supporters buy into this genteel form of denial.
So good to see this, especially on Fox. It isn’t the first instance of Tucker Carlson going off piste. Some wonder how long before Fox give him the boot.
Robyn..
yes, that was my thoughts too.. Tucker has indeed had some valuable interviews in recent months.
well said Roger
Carlson is to be commended on foreign policy. The show’s position on Syria and Iran is reasonably balanced. Multiple items featuring Tulsi Gabbard are excellent. From the network’s perspective, they have a constituency supportive of this position (the Trump, America first, anti-interventionist) so Carlson is unlikely to get his jotters over foreign policy pieces.
What is intriguing is his short jabs at the oligarchy. Subtle references, “when will the equity billionaires be paying the same effective tax rates as YOU”, and similar. That’s what ‘ll get him fired.
The show’s recent piece on the trans cult was excellent.
Waters is confused.The Guardian agreed to publish selected information from Wikileaks. Assange wanted it all published That is what we were told they fell out about.
However, a book, written by David Leigh and published in February 2011, disclosed the password to the entire database.
As Wikileaks claims:
“Guardian investigations editor, David Leigh, recklessly, and without gaining our approval, knowingly disclosed the decryption passwords in a book published by the Guardian’
This was raised in the trial and was used by the defence. It was The Guardian that was responsible for leaking the entire collection which is the truth. So why would The Guardian do exactly the opposite of what it wanted. I would say it was it was precisely to provide a trapdoor for Assange to escape through
So (as Waters said) why do they want to deport Assange who is nothing more than a (convicted) criminal hacker when all these real journalists were involved in the publication. Particularly from the intelligence infested Guardian. Namely Luke Harding and David Leigh along with then editor Alan Rusbridger.
‘The Guardian’s Carole Cadwalladr, Nick Cohen, James Ball and the BBC’s James Landale at FCO funded, military intelligence linked “Integrity Initiative” skill sharing, networking event.
https://www.pdf-archive.com/2018/12/13/skillsharingdraft-nov12/
The Guardian: MI6 for dummies.
“So (as Waters said) why do they want to deport Assange who is nothing more than a (convicted) criminal hacker ”
When was Assange convicted of hacking?
About 30 years ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julian_Assange#Hacking
Ethical, inquisitive and playful hacking, not criminal in intent. The Wikipedia section is based on this citation:
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2010/06/07/no-secrets
– Ken Day, the lead investigator, told me. “He had some altruistic motive. I think he acted on the belief that everyone should have access to everything.”
– …at his final sentencing the judge said, “There is just no evidence that there was anything other than sort of intelligent inquisitiveness and the pleasure of being able to—what’s the expression—surf through these various computers.”
That is the original meaning of hacking. Hackers built the Internet. From some of the oldest sites on the ‘net, and some of the original hackers, from when the term was purely a compliment – Eric S Raymond (esr):
http://www.catb.org/esr/faqs/hacker-howto.html#what_is
Richard Stallman (rms), pioneer of software freedom:
https://www.stallman.org/articles/on-hacking.html
About the hacker culture:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hacker_culture
That’s not true. The judge told Assange he was looking at 10 years in jail then on the day of sentence let him off with a small fine. He then worked with the Australian government and also.
‘Julian told me his graduate work had been funded by a US government grant, specifically NSA and DARPA money, which was supposed to be used for fundamental security research.
https://pando.com/2013/09/14/how-the-us-government-inadvertently-created-wikileaks/
It’s the lost difference in meaning between hacking and cracking.
You can be a hacker –and very succesfull at it– without having any network connection ever.
The car analogy (how could it not) springs to mind.
A hacker just takes his own car apart, investigates, amplifies, modifies, creates other stuff from the parts, etc., etc.
A cracker gets into other people’s cars and does whatever he can do with them.
All this is lost. Crackers are called hackers these days.
It’s an insult to anyone who is a hacker.
– “So why would The Guardian do exactly the opposite of what it wanted”
Because reaching such large audiences and being so influential inflates journalists’ and editors’ egos causing them to do stupid things. Which also explains why Leigh and the Guardian are now desperately rationalising, trying to make out that release of the decryption phrase was Assange’s fault rather than their own – ego never makes mistakes!
– “ego never makes mistakes!”
That’s what the discipline of programming teaches; one’s ego is forever making mistakes! The computer processor does exactly what the program specifies; it is blameless. Any malfunction of my program is my own fault, and my only path to success is to find that fault and correct it – no blame is possible.
Among hackers, programming is called hacking. Happy Hacking!
– “…So why do they want to deport Assange who is nothing more than a (convicted) criminal hacker…?”
For exactly the same reasons that they wanted to extradite harmless, autistic, depressive Gary McKinnon:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary_McKinnon
The same reason they hounded Aaron Swartz to suicide:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9vz06QO3UkQ
They want to set an example to terrify others. Most of them being disempowered users of proprietary software such as Microsoft or Apple, they haven’t a clue about computer security, so they’re terrified and therefore wish to terrify what they see as the enemy. Assange gets it even worse because he spilled secrets that embarrassed the most powerful government in the world.
Reply to Clarke:
And no mention of Talha Ahsan, during the Gary McKinnon reporting, The gentle, talented poet and scholar whose extradition by the US was demanded because he had the audacity of visiting a site that the US decided was a ‘terrorist’ site.’ Theresa May was hand in glove with the US, determined to do US bidding and extradite this totally innocent, talented poet to a supermax prison hell, and kept in solitary confinement for two years, an Asperger sufferer and ignored by the corporate press. Eventually the US judge, Janet Hall, declared his innocence of all charges. NO apology from T. May, nothing from the MSM and down the memory hole it goes. Diabolical.
Waters is not confused. The Guardian was all gung ho to publish first and didn’t give a damn about redacting. It was Julian Assange who was concerned and it was Julian Assange who stayed up all night doing the redactions himself. The Guardian and those reprobates, particularly the odious Luke Harding, threw Julian under the bus and then did a Bart Simpson (“I didn’t do it”).
Disappointing that Christine Assange’s gofundme for, ‘a hand-picked, highly professional and experienced media and diplomatic team in Australia’ has so far only raised $AU17206 of a target of $AU100,000. For anyone interested and able, the URL is
https://www.gofundme.com/f/save-my-son-julian
No. Try watching Tucker Carlson regularly. You will understand.
I never watched Fox News. Is he a regular renegade then? If so my own thoughts are overly optimistic . . .
Wow this is absolutely amazing! I wonder if fox news can see there is a turning of the tide on this and here is a golden opportunity to do harm to their more liberal competitors. Another thought – Trumps position on Assange is uncertain – he may see ways to turn the whole thing to his advantage if he becomes Assange’s ‘saviour’ after a few more interviews of this sort.
Roger waters was really coherent in this interview and was given loads of space. I am so glad he mentioned Nils Melzer’s report – this is critical – not enough Assange supporters are talking about that – that includes you Craig – I find that a bit bewildering.
Finally, please note The Independent has not been completely silent. Patrick Cockburn wrote a decent article before the hearing which was also printed in the ‘I’.
Trump watches Fox News.
I saw that last night and was totally surprised at how fairly Carlson allowed Roger Waters to clearly state the case for Assange’s innocence. Do not normally watch Fox News but it was on in the gym where I was working out.
Murdoch wants to buy the BBC, so he is playing ‘nice’??
Hitler was nice to Chamberlain, after all.
Before he showed his true colours in Poland…….
I don’t think being nice about Julian Assange would in any way improve Murdoch’s standing with those with the power to sell the BBC.
Thanks for that, it is absolutely correct. Though there are pockets of optimism here in Europe, here in Scotland we have had it since our first IndyRef was announced, it has not gone away. They have it in Eastern Europe, places like Estonia are booming. They are lovely people too, we went back in the ‘90s before the stag and hen parties found it. I remember Tallin fondly. I remember the lovely people in St Petersburg on that trip as well. It was ’94, I remember now. Be interesting to go back and see what has changed. People were still very scared of the police back then, I understand that has gone or moderated and there is more petty crime.
We went with our young kids and were shown many acts of kindness as tourists. I remember Petersburg fondly as well.
Not surprising at all – they are all part of the Zionist media network
Is it not astonishing that the reviled Fox News will allow Roger Waters to put forward truths on the Assange extradition which are completely banned from the BBC, CNN, NBC and indeed from the entire rest of the mainstream media, both print and broadcast?
Maybe Roger Waters is now a 5 ice “asset” activated to gain confidence from the opposition…..
Big Pop icons like Ian Watkins or Garry Glitter went to jail for decades, others were never even indicted.
Or him living in the US under Trump keeps him out of reach of the UK’s deep state…
… maybe Roger Waters is a prominent Palestine liberation activist, and you’re a slimy zionist disinfo operative.
I have sent a complaint to the BBC asking why there is no coverage of the Julian Assange trial on any of their news platforms. After all, the BBC are obliged by their Charter to Inform, Educate and Entertain. I will forward any response they make.
It is only “astonishing” if one subscribes to the infantile “Leftist” stereotype that anyone to the Right of centre politically is ill-educated and/or thick and/or meretricious and/or 100 other derogatory adjectives that obviate one from seriously considering anything that they say or do. It must surely only be a matter of time before Plato and his ilk are “cancelled” from “woke” university philosophy courses.
Brian Cox on Real time with Bill Maher doing his bit to represent Scottish independence to an American audience. Fairly decent stuff.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=F0yftawR0GM
Maher gets rapidly uncomfortable when Cox has a pop at Netanyahu. Worth watching just for that. Maher is a bit of a prick when it comes to Israel.
A lot of nonsense getting posted BTL on that YouTube video eg England kindly baled out Scotland as Scotland was bankrupt. It’s amazing how propaganda like that gets accepted as a historical truth by people who also think the British Empire delivered peace, wealth and harmony to the “natives” of the world.
Yes, Craig, both extraordinary and wonderful. I have always had my misgivings about the expression “ The truth shall set you free” but, hey, I am delighted to be proven wrong. The truth will set Julian free. I am sure of it. Truth, ultimately, beats lies, trumps down (pun intended). This is a major turning point in history. The truth will win out. If not, God help us all.
For details on the swedish allegations see https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yd7qxWma9CQ
I think the power elites don’t really care about the war crime videos etc. What they are really pissed off about is how Wikileaks made available things like the Panama Papers and other documents that showed up these so-called bastions of liberal democracy as kleptocrats, how the politicians are enmeshed with vested interests, how plutocrats and oligarchs gain, use and abuse their wealth, have all kinds of arrangements with each other, how they avoid tax etc. The sheer audacity of these financial matters has received even less media coverage than the Manning sourced military crimes data. But I think this is what its about. r
That said, the Pentagon has been after Julian since his teenage years when he showed up their fragile computer systems and revealed their plans to enlarge their Saudi military bases. This was during Bill Clinton’ presidency where Hillary was a very active First Lady . And with HRC’s emails controversy during the 2016 campaign (even though there’s not much in them of substance) brought this same nemesis back to be scapegoated As an ex-member of Anonymous and having a huge public recognition factor, Julian is the ideal public example, the magpie, to anyone with the ability to expose the Emperor’s invisible clothes. The powers of today’s status quo really fear anyone who can outsmart them and reveal their corrupt criminality. .
Wikileaks were not involved in the release of the Panama Papers. They were published initially by the Süddeutsche Zeitung (SZ) who received, from an anonymous source, encrypted internal documents from Mossack Fonseca, a Panamanian law firm which sold anonymous offshore companies. The newspaper analysed them in cooperation with the International Consortium of Investigative Journalists, involving over 100 media organisations.
https://panamapapers.sueddeutsche.de/articles/56febff0a1bb8d3c3495adf4/
Thanks to Craig for posting the video of this interview. Well said Roger Waters. An impressive statement of some truths.
And credit where credit is due to Tucker and Fox News – not something I thought I would ever say.
Ex President Lula meets Julian’s father.
WikiLeaks Retweeted
Lula
@LulaOficial
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18h
Encontro com John Shipton, pai de @JulianAssange_
. Toda minha solidariedade ao fundador do @wikileaks
. A humanidade deveria exigir sua liberdade. Ao invés de preso ele deveria ser tratado como um herói. #FreeAssange
Foto: Ricardo Stuckert
https://twitter.com/LulaOficial/status/1235998651010494465?s=20
An almost unbelievably good interview. Bravo Roger Waters and Tucker Carlson (and begrudgingly Fox).
Occasionally even the BBC have broadcast very good programs, for instance the three-part ‘Gladio’ series in 1992, and the 2007 documentary on the Isra*li attack on the USS Liberty, ‘Dead in the Water’.
I should have added, Fox did a remarkable series of programs about the Israeli spy ‘art students’ operating pre-9/11 in the States, and of Israelis arrested on 9/11.
Roger Waters is a true Mensch.
Somehow I feel pride and comfort that I’ve always liked his music.
Don’t assume that the media or a chink in it are monolithic. as I discovered in looking for the plots which assassinated JFK and LBJ
@ Trowbridge H. Ford March 7, 2020 at 15:25
LBJ? Up to his eyes in the JFK assassination, and the author of the Gulf of Tonkin Lie and the USS Liberty Incident? First I’ve heard he was assassinated. Did the alleged assassin/s get a medal?
You know far too little but you have strong, limited opinions.
For starters, read Robert Haldeman’s diaries of how LBJ died on Air Force ONe under the supervision of Nixon’s private doctor who you would give a metal to, and The Plumbers..
@ Trowbridge H. Ford March 7, 2020 at 17:10
Are you suggesting tat LBJ was not up to his eyes in the JFK assassination, or responsible for the Gulf of Tonkin Lie, or the Isra*li attack on the USS Liberty (in conjunction with the Mossad and Isra*li Regime? I did not suggest LBJ was not assassinated, just commented it was the first I had heard of it.
Why not read what I am claiming?
Nixon had his private doctor feed LBj dilantin on Air Force One taking him back to Texas after their feud had reached deadly proportions. The trouble was that dilantin was a cure all which Jack Dreyfus recommended, not risks of heart attacks, angina. It slows the heart down, and was not recommended for people on planes, especially not sleeping at high altitudes.
When LBJ took the alleged cure all, and fell asleep in the plane, he never woke up.
I don’t have a claim for LBJ not being a can of worms, but he not nearly as bad as Nixon ands Governor John Connally.
JFK assassination? Fantasy conspiracy based on the misconception that Kennedy was a completely good guy. LBJ carried on his legacy – of continuing the war in Vietnam started by Kennedy.
I don’t have the time or the energy to correct your mind about anything.
Great session – within the time constraints. A few terms and facts were a bit fudged – someones should give Roger a good “cheat sheet” for the key points. However few in that large audience would know enough to quibble.
Now it’s time Tucker Carlson had Nils Melzer on his show. Could that be organised? As well as speaking very clearly and succinctly, Nils is good “eye candy” – which seems to be important to many Americans.
@ Fleur March 7, 2020 at 16:17
He would probably be stopped from entering the US. But I suppose Tucker Carlson could meet him in Canada or Mexico for the interview.
Yes, it is astonishing in a way. I believe that Fox News has seen a niche where it can scoop the other networks and is taking advantage of that opening. All to the good for Julian Assange and those of us who support him. It is getting the word out to a very large audience. It’s not only politics that makes strange bedfellows. Sometimes it’s a scoop that motivates.
Tucker Carlson is not Fox News – he’s only lasted there so long because of his huge popularity with the American public.
Tucker is an international treasure, but he is out of sync with the overall network. I can’t think he will last that long at the network with the establishment Murdochs breathing down his neck.
Tucker Carlson is “an international treasure”??
Well, in a neo-con war-mongering, far-right, billionaire suck-up, white supremacist, Nazi apologist and incredibly stupid, Trump-worshiping kind of way, I suppose you’re right!
Tucker Carlson has been a Ron Paul supporter for a long time, he’s a libertarian, so it should be no surprise whatsoever that he’d cover this story. Ron Paul was Americas last real hope, Saunders is a poor joke in comparison to the man.
put Tucker+Ron Paul in a google search
Tucker carlson has spoken out on a number of issues, including the Syrian war and why America is involved there. He’s been labelled a russian agent etc for his troubles.
Amazing and much needed interview! THANK YOU FOX NEWS! Something I never thought I’d ever say!!!
Obscene and horrifying. 1984 has arrived late, but arrived it has!
Tucker Carlson has become one of the most relevant voices in American journalism. He courageously discusses a host of subjects, like the wars of American imperialism, that NO ONE ELSE in the main stream US, Canadian, or British media will touch. He interviews people, like Tulsi Gabbard, and Glenn Greenwald, and Jimmy Dore, and Col Lawrence Wilkerson, and Ray McGovern and others from the left and right that are blackballed by ALL other mainstream media outlets. Self righteous, “Woke” liberals, who call themselves a part of the left (they are not leftists in any meaningful way) are critical of some of his views on social issues (the real left’s main concerns are ECONOMIC, and deal with inequalities – not matters of identity politics). I HAVE COME TO HAVE A GREAT RESPECT FOR MR CARLSON, and I am a red Socialist. I hope Mr. Carlson follows up with more on Julian Assange – almost no other American journalists have the courage, or integrity, of even objectivity to speak out on Julian Assange’s behlaf or even ask intelligent questions about his treatment at the hands of empire.
Indeed Robert, here’s is Tuckers role model, Ron Paul.
Tucker like millions at the time (myself included) had an awakening when Ron Paul slipped into the public consciousness via the internet bringing concepts that had long been forgotten by both sides of the political establishment, very important concepts like freedom.
Ron has supported Assange from the very beginning, When Paul was running for presidency the corporate media always wrote him off for being ‘too old’, yet here’s the man more than decade latter still making sense, unlike Biden who the same media are promoting as a viable challenge to Trump.
Paul Interviewing Assange
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2017/04/28/ron_paul_interviews_julian_assange_the_cia_has_been_deeply_humiliated.html
Trump’s Betrayal of Julian Assange
https://www.facebook.com/ronpaul/videos/trumps-betrayal-of-julian-assange/671726163571337/
The treatment of Assange is one of the few areas where significant areas of both the so called ‘left and right’ can a agree on something .Common ground as it were, a rare and interesting phenomena, seldom found in modern politics.