The Declaration of Arbroath, and the Way Forward Now 196


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196 thoughts on “The Declaration of Arbroath, and the Way Forward Now

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  • Blair Paterson

    James like most unionists you and your fathers before you have been brainwashed to believe you are something special your o.o. And masons etc.,secret hand shakes you are being used but you don’t seem to see it??? I am a 81 year old prod who has never been stupid enough to be used and never will waken up man all we want is what nearly everyone else in the world already have Freedom what’s wrong with that ???

    • James

      Blair Paterson – well, it took me a while to understand what you meant by o.o. – so I conclude that you are from a different planet, where there is a lot of sectarianism. YOUR o.o. and YOUR masons belong in an entirely different world to my world. YOU may be a `prod’ – which proves that you live in a different world from me.

      I refuse to have anything to do with YOUR sectarianism no matter how old you are and how much you have seen of the world.

  • Mark Harper

    Thrilled to bits that you are doing this Craig. As a huge Joe Rogan fan and his long rambling podcasts in which he allows interesting people time to express themselves fully. Podcasting, I think, is the current hot thing, a great antidote to mainstream feeding their narrative. Cannot wait to see what guests you will have. I’m guessing a gent with the initials AS will be high on the list.
    Good luck!

  • Roger Ewen

    A very in depth analysis of the current situation.
    I concur in almost every aspect of your criteria and synopsis of the leadership of the SNP, who are career politicians rather our nations leadership.
    The idea of a declaration of intent of Scotlands government at the next Scottish election is for me, a breath of fresh air. Lifting the impasse created and supported on behalf of vested interests.
    Curtailment of land use.
    Isn’t it amazing that the estates, unused for generations other than sporting ventures of the landed gentry, I.e the Duke of Westminster are now becoming PLC’s, another example, the Earl of Elgin’s Leys Castle estate in Inverness which also is now a limited company.
    As are so many other estates and farms to avoid and circumvent changes in land ownership legislation.
    It’s time the Scots are allowed to live on 100% of their land mass instead of the 10% allowed, provided the national parks landmass aren’t included.
    We need to ensure we can feed our nation, and not allow a repetition of the “Irish Famine” where five to six million Irish men women and children were starved to death.
    Or the clearances where the Scottish men women and children were sold into slavery starved or executed. Those days are passed…. and in the passed, they must remain.
    Planning for the well being of our nation, starts now, not when the aristocracies heel is on the back of ones neck.
    The estates must be broken up, and the appropriate legislation needs to be in place now to allow this to be accomplished before it becomes detrimental to the well being of our nation or a declaration of intent being bandied about.
    Well done, well said.
    Aye

  • Lorna Campbell

    Whilst I agree with almost every word, Mr Murray, I am only too aware that there are people like James who would wish to muddy the waters, and there are people who would use the Jameses like marionettes. In fact, James’ posts suggest he is already one. We should not expect thought any deeper than a shallow puddle from the Unionist Jameses.

    The problem for independence supporters is precisely that first, 2014 referendum: it set a precedent. So, we have to set a new one (proclaiming independence on the number of seats gained in the Scottish election was the norm for the SNP until 2014, so that was a precedent, too, that was broken. I agree absolutely that international law must be brought into play, as it was in the Declaration of Independence by appealing to both the ICJ and the UN in order to resile the Treaty of Union. The Treaty created the Union; it must be used to disband it. It would certainly be brought into play, in any case, in negotiations between Scotland and England, acting as rUK, as it remains a legitimate and legal document.

    A ruling in our favour – and I see no reason whatsoever why that should not be given, since we would build a water-tight case on the basis of its breaching by one of the parties to it – would very probably dampen any enthusiasm for a Loyalist backlash. The Pope, as the international authority, backed us all those years ago. I’m sure his successors would do no less. If people like Jameses are still determined to create problems, then he and his ilk would require to be dealt with under the law.

    The 2014 referendum displayed, in clear terms, that the Unionist NO vote was an alliance of minorities who could not win an election on their own: Tories, Labour, Lib Dems, rUK voters and others. All their nonsense about being heartfelt Unionists is little more than self-interest and vested interests, with a dollop of ideological insanity thrown in for good measure. I would prefer the next Scottish election to be won decisively by the SNP and other independence parties and that used as the mandate to take our case to the ICJ and the UN. It’s the slightly longer route, but the less precarious one. If the Jameses want to fight a losing battle against that, then the Jameses are facing long prison sentences for illegal actions.

    • James

      Lorna Campbell – if the SNP (i.e. Nicola Sturgeon) had their way, Alex Salmond would be facing a long prison sentence for something he didn’t do. You also cannot blame the English for the miscarriage of justice when Abdelbaset al-Megrahi got banged up by Scottish judges.

      The legal system doesn’t seem very good when it comes to innocent people and I don’t fancy the chances of guilty people getting banged up either.

      You really think that independence will solve any of the problems?

      You LOST 45 to 55 – and you’re right! The 55 percent have very little in common with each other – except that they (we) prefer the union to independence. If you have indyref2, you’ll lose again.

      • Andrew Ellis

        Just out of interest James, how many of the 55% do you expect to join you in “taking up arms” against their fellow Scots in the event of independence?

        You seem very sure that 2014’s result is immutable, which hardly seems likely. However your complacency will in the end be your downfall. The ramshackle coalition behind 2014’s Project Fear is fragile and Britnats have already managed to alienate many “soft” No voters from 2014 by leaving the EU and electing the most rabid and incompetent government in over a century.

        I doubt Lorna or anyone else sane expects indy to magically solve problems like those you mention. Seems a bit of a tired excuse. Increasingly it seems that all that unionists have in lieu of a positive case James? There again I doubt more than a handful of ordinary unionists are potentially murderous terrorists like you are they….? We can be thankful for small mercies like that at least!

      • terence callachan

        Still living in the past James you are no longer the 55
        You are now the 47 and sinking
        And once Scotland is independent and many of the half million English folk living in Scotland who say they will be leaving , go back to England you will be the 32
        And each year after that you will be the 27 22 17 etc etc etc
        This land is Scotland
        We are the Scots
        Fall in behind us to avoid being trampled

        • Bruce H

          You sound a bit on an ethnic cleansing theme here Terence, with a little trampling to finish off the surviving “non-Scots”… Nationalism of any kind always seems to end up with this sort nastiness. Do you not realise that remarks of this kind don’t do your cause any good?

          • Cubby

            Bruce H

            I totally agree. We have had to put up with British Nationalism for 313 years and it is bloody awful.

      • Cubby

        James

        “The legal system doesn’t seem very good when it comes to innocent people” did you fall asleep when Salmond was acquitted.

        Britnats prefer subservience, subjugation and humiliation – no accounting for some people’s taste – they call it a Union.

      • Lorna Campbell

        James: if Nicola Sturgeon did this – and not a shred of proof exists to say she did – then she must have intentionally decided to bring herself down, too, because that would have been the result of a conviction, believe me. That would have left the SNP leaderless and rudderless, with the two potential leaders not being MSPs, a requirement to become FM. Cui bono?

        Yes, I do think independence will be a good thing because our people are in a bad place right now. As the medieval monarchs were entrusted to look after the people’s welfare and not sell it out to the next door neighbour, so do we look to 21st century turn SNP leaders to protect us under the onslaught of the Tory One Nation State mentality that sees us as a region of a Greater England.

        The 55% have nothing in common with each other except that they are willing to support a campaign of illegality, threats and base cheating to keep us on our knees for no better reason than that they If you believe that affords you all some moral authority to dominate and domineer in Scotland, think again. Only in dictatorships and in totalitarian/fascist states do the people not have the opportunity to vote again on the same topic. I must assume that you are a totalitarian/fascist?

        • Cubby

          Lorna Campbell

          “If Nicola Sturgeon did this”. I think you should have said ” and not a shred of proof exists ” TO MY KNOWLEDGE

          You do not know what evidence Salmond has. Also what if her husband is proven to be behind this. Is it reasonable to think she was kept in the dark.

    • Roger Ewen

      With respect, Its our Scottish sovereignty, it’s our territorial integrity, it’s our rights as sovereign Scottish citizens to demand our rights, as a sovereign nation…. we would be limiting our right to ask some Johnny come lately if we might possibly, if you don’t mind… give us our rights please.
      No. We have a majority we have the right, we have the assets, the Scottish nation.

  • Peter Lawrie

    I enjoyed your podcast, but it takes time to listen to, I can read your insightful blogs much faster.
    I have now subscribed, having been reading your blogs for some time FOC. You can have more when you and Stuart and Alex set up the Scottish Independence Party! I have been saying to my wife (and anyone else that would listen to me) for some time that the 2021 election should be an independence plebiscite. I had high hopes for Nicola when she took over in 2014, but as you say, too many of our elected representatives are far too comfoirtable with their salaries and allowances to risk it. Do the UK security services have some control over Nicola? Also let’s leave this debate about gender and all the other guff until we are independent instead of splitting the pro-independence vote now.

  • dan

    fair cheered up with the thought of only 394 days and counting till Thursday 6th April 2021 and voting for a Scottish Parliament to declare independance

    • Brian

      We’ll need shot of the Careerist Soft Independence operative called Nicola Sturgeon first though

  • Mary

    Interesting that the hospital chosen to feature in a BBC documentary made by Mark Urban on its ability to cope with th increasing number of coronavirus patients was SALISBURY District Hospital.

  • Nick

    Great work, Craig.

    Slightly disappointed that the podcast came from your study at home – I’d been secretly hoping it would be live-streamed from your superyacht…

  • Ort

    Ah, I see what you’re up to!

    In no small part due to your work, it is increasingly likely that Alex Salmond will be fully vindicated and that his political career will be rehabilitated.

    Once Salmond becomes too busy with the full-time job of achieving an independent Scotland, he may find it impossible to continue hosting his RT talk show. Who better than a simpatico experienced podcaster to fill the vacuum? We may be viewing the “pilot episode” of the upcoming “Craig Murray Show”. 😉

    • Brian

      This forum is full of good ideas Craig Eh? It would also be a better show than any of the shite currently on offer from either the BBC or STV that us Scots have had to endure to my certain knowledge in my 67 years.

  • Kenneth G Coutts

    Hi Craig
    Superb Idea.
    Looking good.
    Way to go.
    Onwards and upwards
    ??

  • M.J.

    This video is an important historical document because it is a public recorded statement by a former Ambassador and an unquestionably brilliant human being who is certainly entitled to his opinions. So it ought to be preserved in libraries and referred to by scholars. Maybe, Craig, you should publish it in book form (maybe indeed you are planning to do so?). I may well buy a copy, if so.

    Still, it reminds me of a joke. An Israeli cabinet minister says to his PM, ‘I have an idea. Let’s declare war on the United States. After we lose, they’ll give us billions to rebuild the country, like Germany’. The PM looks worried. ‘But suppose we win?’

    After the Brexit referendum many remainers called for another one, but the Brexiters responded that if that one went in favour of Remain there would then be clamour for 2 out of 3, and so on. This is what happens in a deeply decisive election [s/be “divisive election” – see M.J.’s correction below ]. I voted Remain, but I respect the democratic result. It is not illegitimate just because I didn’t vote for it.

    The same applies to the Scottish referendum of 2014. It’s done. If you had an Indyref2, and it went the other way, the 2/3 argument would be back from Unionists.

    I return to my joke: suppose the vote were for remaining in the UK. Would the Arbroath argument go away? Not a chance! So why listen to it now?

    But one last argument: just who would recognise a declaration of Scottish Independence?

    • JOML

      More importantly, M.J., who wouldn’t recognise a Scottish Declaration of Independence, by a majority of MSPs elected specifically on that independence ticket?

      I suspect Westminster, with their Washington masters, wouldn’t. What would that tell us about them?

      • M.J.

        I noticed an unfortunate typo in my post: “decisive” should be “divisive”. I believe the answer to your question is “No-one of any importance”, and by that I mean “capable of bringing about international recognitiion.” If I’m wrong, prove it – name a country of any importance that would recognise a declaration of independence by Scotland that would swing international recognition behind it!

    • Gibelene

      It is not a done deal. I work for a corporation that sent an email to Scottish (possibly broader) staff a few days before the referendum, suggesting Scottish independence would likely impact jobs. That swayed a significant number of people to vote against. On my team around a third (of 20-25 at the time). The next day, that third were seriously deflated and prone to kicking themselves for not being quite strong enough. They were manipulated. The company tried the same on brexit (against), but that one went wrong, and it turns out an independent Scotland in Europe would have been a better deal. Since Brexit Scotland seems to be preferred to london for locating new uk roles/departments too, so corporate equation may have changed for next time. The thirds too, as all of them were against brexit. Plenty all in one direction to remind people of in the run up to (hopefully) April 2021.

  • Brianfujisan

    Enjoyed the First Podcast Well done

    Are you a wee bit too close to the Camera.. I’m sure some things will get Ironed out.

    Very clear Facts on international Law Re Independence..Well worth watching Cheers.

    And yes I agree with those saying an interview with Joe Rogan would be fascinating…I love that Guy.. I was watching him on Sunday night..With Eric Weinstein..Good stuff.

  • Brian

    Well it might be your first broadcast Craig but it it was excellent for all that. Though I didn’t learn a great deal because I was already aware and agree with your every word. I enjoyed hearing someone with a lot more experience and knowledge of Statecraft and indeed the machinations of perfidious Albion elaborating on what I believe to be true. Keep up the good work mate.

  • Dogbiscuit

    The First Minister blows smoke up Scotland’s arse by deferring to jurisprudence.

  • Chic McGregor

    Well done Craig. Nice to see you up close and personal for a change.

    One minor quibble is your use of the term ‘nation’ rather than the UN/ICJ international more legally accurate term ‘people’. I understand that most folk think they know what a ‘nation’ is but maybe not so much the term a ‘people’, which is a rather more esoteric if legally more precise wordage.

    Other notes are that while Kosovo did not hold a referendum at that time (although they had done 10 years previously) there are other examples e.g. the Ukraine where the presenting of a referendum result to Yeltsin was seminal to his acceptance of that de facto act. (Although Gorbachev was still titular but emaciated head of state technically).

    It is also worth mentioning that the UK was among the half dozen or so nation states to recognise Kosovo immediately, long before Serbia took them to the international court in mistaken expectation of their pronouncement. As you correctly point out the domestic pronunciation from the Constitutional court of Serbia that Kosovo’s secession was illegal was not upheld under international law.

    Today, Kosovo, has been prepared for EU membership by thousands of EU civil servants. It is already enjoys de facto membership of many EU institutions. There is still the concern that Kosovo, while receiving recognition from a majority of the World’s nation states still has not yet exceeded the super majority quorate for UN membership. This will either be resolved with increased recognition or perhaps even the EU dropping UN membership from its Acquis.

  • Cubby

    The new Britnat Labour in Scotland team just bursting with energy and new ideas to win Scotland back for London:

    Richard Leonard MSP branch manager. Bursting with stupidity

    Jackie Baillie MSP deputy branch manager. just bursting

    Ian (Union Jack) Murray MP shadow Scottish Secretary of State more Tory than the Tory Secretary of State. bursting with hate that he was born in Scotland.

    That folks is your London winning team.

    ?????????????

  • Alan Crocket

    That Scotland has the right to go independent if it wishes, without reference to London, is in fact London’s position, according to the very rare statements on the issue which have from time to time emanated from that quarter. The Section 30 argument is really no more than a silly side-show, which suits the convenience of both sides at the moment because it avoids them having to confront the real question – do a majority of the people of Scotland want independence?

    I agree that the Holyrood election will be an excellent opportunity to get the answer, and that independence should follow if it is Yes, but to make it fully democratic, would there not have to be a majority of votes (i.e. a majority of the aggregate of constituency and list votes) and not merely a majority of seats?

  • Cubby

    Craig, is that a Fair Isle jumper you are wearing or is it from that other special Scotland island Mat na Lan. ?

      • Cubby

        Good, I look forward to seeing the other jumper in a future video. A we bit of false tan or make up may be an idea as well.????

  • Michael Laing

    I certainly support you on your final point. Making the election effectively a referendum may seem to be a high-risk strategy; however, there’s no hope of progress without a degree of risk. And if we fail, we continue the fight. That was my decision on the morning after the 2014 referendum.

    Incidentally, you mentioned something which immediately struck me as strange about the 2014 referendum result, and continues to baffle me: that the turnout somehow managed to be lowest in those densely-populated areas where support for independence was most evident. It doesn’t add up. In that campaign, support for the UK was conspicuous by its almost-total absence. I have never understood how the majority of Scots could have voted to continue being governed by a party that’s utterly opposed to Scottish values and which we haven’t voted for in generations, while Jim Murphy went around the country ranting and raving at thin-air from atop a beer-crate. Anyone could have been forgiven for believing that there was no support for Scotland remaining in the UK at all. If Scots were really so opposed to independence, where was the enthusiasm for it?

  • R.A.

    Hello Craig,

    I am an audio engineer who makes recordings for podcasts and radio broadcasts. Technically, a podcast is an audio-only program that is presented over the internet in downloadable form. There are such shows that have video as well (Jimmy Dore comes to mind), but strictly speaking, if you want to access the podcast audience, and if you are mainly going to talk, the video portion is not necessary. Where video does come in handy is if you want to present graphics, video clips of news events or recorded interviews, etc.

    The big advantage of doing podcasts as audio only is that you do not need to pay any attention to visual elements (decor, lighting, hairstyling, etc.). Further, the digital bandwidth needed to transmit an audio-only podcast is less than audio/video programs–video can take up a lot of bandwidth–and the compromises in audio needed for purposes of visual decor can be significant. So, you might keep these trade-offs in mind going forward.

    Of course, the ultimate factor in the success of a recorded program is the content. If you have something worthwhile to say, people will forgive flaws in presentation, provided they are not too distracting. As a devoted reader of your blog, I am eager to hear what you have to say, regardless of presentation format. Best of luck in your endeavors.

  • Covergirl

    oh dear. One of the reasons I enjoy your writing so much is that it is writing. I loathe videos and would be sad to miss content if you keep this up.

    • Ort

      Perhaps once things settle down and the podcasts are a roaring success, Craig will publish transcripts.

      It’s not really the same as proper writing, I know, but it may be a tolerable compromise solution. 😉

  • James

    Andrew Ellis (April 7th at 20.18) – Independence is something that I (for one) would (reluctantly) accept if it were done fairly (i.e. a fair referendum), but if it is imposed on us in a way that does not look fair, then I think you’ll find that a substantial part of the 55 percent would be supportive of an armed conflict – many more than you seem to think. If it is not done fairly, then it really will poison the waters for generations to come.

    The thing that worries me about Craig Murray’s approach – he has advocated methods different from a fair referendum. He has also expressed support for Sinn Fein (I’d like to see a united Ireland – but Sinn Fein a.k.a. the IRA is basically a terrorist organisation) and I have seen enough of his writings to convince me that he is not prepared to limit himself to fair democratic methods for achieving this (there was also something about militias in a previous post).

    At the same time, you already had your referendum (back in 2014) and you lost. I, for one, did not like the poisoned atmosphere that resulted from the referendum and I don’t see why you should get to repeat the exercise once every 5 years until you get the right answer (and then presumably you won’t allow another referendum about re-joining the UK). The whole referendum process was highly unpleasant – it is something that people do not want to see recurring with great frequency.

    I used to be pro-independence (back in the 1980’s), until I came to see that we and the English are basically the same. We aren’t different people. Give me one example where the English solution is rubbish and where a Scots solution would be infinitely superior. (Recall – with university tuition fees – Westminster imposed it on the English using Scottish votes). There are serious problems within the UK, but I do not see how independence can possibly solve these. I quite agree with Craig Murray’s basic objective (I get the impression that he sees Whitehall as a Leviathan which has to be smashed) – I don’t see how independence for Scotland will help one bit with this.

    In fact – I look at Nicola Sturgeon and the policies that she is implementing – if she were Prime Minister of an independent Scotland, she would be Whitehall’s staunchest ally. An independent Scotland with Nicola Sturgeon as Prime Minister would do absolutely nothing to achieve Craig Murray’s basic objective (with which I agree).

    The key point (which you miss) is that the independence people did not lose because of some sort of `project fear’. This – if anything – actually increased support for independence. You lost because 55 percent of us actually like being part of the union.

    Best of luck to you with getting an indyref2 – I am quite sure that if you get your indyref2 you’ll lose again.

  • Simon

    Independence needs a vehicle. The vehicle is the SNP, the one you’ve got, not the one you want. If the leadership are careerist and not interested in independence, that’s a state of fact. Can you prise them out without destroying the party? Seems unlikely. I only know of the SNP what I read on this site, but it seems wholly remarkable that the 700th anniversary of the Declaration of Arbroath passed without remark from the SNP. Not on the website, not in the twitter feed. And the picture revealed by the Salmond trial is that of a cabal of self-seekers without two principles to knock together.

    Time perhaps to slope off home and wonder where it all went wrong? I’ve spent my adult life identifying as a man sympathetic to feminism, but… how is it that a feminist program moves into the middle of so many political organisations, then sucks all the life out. Is it the mistake of people pushing for (your cause here) to assume that feminism is a common denominator, a matter of universal justice that can be accommodated alongside (your cause), only to discover that the feminists care about nothing else, and then conflate their advancement in the organisation with the advancement of feminism. Is this entryism on steroids, or entryism that met no resistance?

    Whatever, it seems very optimistic to talk about a rapid move to independence, sorry.

  • jacques Poma

    I hate Podcast because it eats so much of my bandwidth in the mountains of Italy. But if you have to do it, try to speak more smoothly and less like a machine gun. Most of the time you say intelligent things, so I enjoy understanding them.

    J

  • James

    Andrew Ellis (April 7th at 20.18) By the way, I do think you are dead wrong that it was `project fear’ that won it for the pro-union side back in 2014.

    I can only speak for myself. I am in favour of the England-Wales-Scotland union (although I would like to see a united Ireland), but the one thing that almost made me vote in favour of independence was listening to this `project fear’ rubbish during the run-up to the referendum.

    It almost made me vote for independence – but not quite. It did take some effort to rise above it and quietly note that the `project fear’ bozos did not represent even a tiny fraction of the pro-union side.

    So I think you have misunderstood the effect that `project fear’ had on the outcome – it probably increased the pro-independence share of the vote.

  • Monster

    A good first time experiment Craig, but I prefer a non visual format so i can listen in the car or do other things, rather than be glued to a screen. I have heard the BBC ones, which are quite good. Strangely I can’t get The Guardian podcast because it is limited to Apple computers which I don’t have. I’m not missing much there though.

  • Rhys+Jaggar

    I would like to comment solely and specifically about this non-sequitur nonsense that ‘the English want to be subjugated’.

    This is a tired, non-sensical argument always used by patronising Nationalists, as if the English were some homogeneous bunch of James Delingpole clones. They absolutely are not. There is as much diversity of political opinion and outlook in England as there is in Scotland.

    You Scots have been fairly dictatorial about representation all my adult life. To start with it was a Labour Super-Majority in Westminster, now it is an SNP supermajority. You have mostly had precisely ZERO representation of what has usually amounted to 50% of the electorate, give or take 10% either way.

    In England there has been a bipartisan dictatorship of representation, with Labour and the Conservatives usually having 500-600 seats on no more usually than 75% of the votes. And even that support is inflated simply because so many seats are Tory vs Labour with no other candidate standing a chance.

    Just so you are aware and can go about educating yourselves: there is a Cornish independence campaign; similar in Yorkshire; and there is a party called the English Democrats, which in terms of independence might be akin to the SNP (its economics are nothing like the SNP). They may be 40 years behind the SNP, but I remember the SNP as a niche party in the early 1980s. History shows that the Labour Party went from nothing to Government in 40 years. There is just as much resentment fifty miles away from London as there is up in Scotland, you know. It has just not crystallised around one idea.

    As you are all doubtless aware, when you in Scotland were given the Scottish Parliament, we English were given nothing. We really, really resent having you self-righteous Jocks having any right to say anything about matters solely English and if we were like various Nats on this blog we would go around kicking SNP MPs very hard in the nether regions before treading on their necks as they lay festooned on the ground after they were caught interfering in England-only legislation. We would pass a law making it illegal for Scots to be Councillors in England, send all Scottish journalists trying to dominate the English media back to where they came from. There is nothing superior about Scottish journalists, they just play on their victimhood to demand special treatment by Auntie et al down in London. It is the same with wimmin, gays, blacks, Muslims and other ‘minorities’. Last time you heard a broad Merseyside accent of a white heterosexual man as a senior correspondent at the BBC in London? How about a Mancunian, someone from Leeds, Newcastle, Bristol (with a hearty west country accent)? Never. They are a subspecies, racially discriminated against with the full connivance of self-serving Scots. Kirsty Wade? Andrew Neil? Fraser Nelson? Why should those gutteral accents be allowed eh? Not to mention all those Scots yammering on about English sport….

    The English wanted to leave the EU because they believe in democracy and self-determination, not to fall into the arms of the US. That is entirely the responsibility of ministers, not the electorate. The electorate see through the EU and you in Scotland embrace its utterly anti-democratic institutions. Why? Because the EU can see using you lot to get at England. So do not ever again say one word about you lot embracing democracy. You embrace the main chance, dealing with every trumped up dictator and unelected official you can, just to get your hands on more lucre. That is your choice, but you are not interested in democracy, you are interested in power and influence.

    I have almost never had a single MP who really represented my values, mainly because I have never lived in a constituency where they had a chance of getting elected. I have campaigned for full PR since 1978, before the age I was entitled to vote. The jackboots of London media will do anything to deny that coming to pass. Which is why an English Parliament with PR is so essential as a balancing act in the UK.

    You might like to ask yourself what England might look like to Scots after 15 years of an English Parliament elected by PR.

    You think it would still be imperialistic, still allowing the MI6 operative Mark Urban to call himself a ‘diplomatic editor’ at the BBC? I doubt it, quite frankly. An English Parliament would be all about focussing inward for 20 years to put the English economic house in order. Withdrawing from NATO and being a bastion of economic neutrality. It would have no interest in subjugating the Scots, but nor would it stand for any nonsense from Nats looking to take the proverbial. For take the proverbial you Scots are more than capable of doing as a nation.

    Your truck is with London.

    Surprisingly enough, so is the beef of the rest of England with London.

    A more likely long-term outcome is London being expelled from the UK and being told that people working in London have to live inside the M25.

    That would soon stop London sucking the life out of a region 100 miles in diameter.

    Coop them all up in their little bubble and withdraw all finances deposited by rUK investors, each of whom would then have to positively opt in to lending their money to organised crime.

    London is your problem, you Nats: not the North of England, not the SW of England, not the Midlands, not even quite a bit of SE England.

    Now grow up and treat the English with the courtesy you expect from us. Treat the London elite the way they deserve and if you want to be hierarchical snobs in Edinburgh, patronise the great unwashed in Glasgow, Dundee, Aberdeen and Inverness. Leave us English out of it.

    The Edinburgh snobs really are VERY good at snobbery, you know.

    The rest of England can be your friend, if you had the sophistication to go beyond ‘Scotland GOOD, England BAD’ like some bunch of Orwellian Sheep ranting to the orders of Bonnie Prince Napoleon, the prize porker from Fife.

    • Out+of+Affric

      Some of us have known this for quite some time and have never had an issue with England.

      My understanding is that at the time(s) of ‘Union’/assimilation, all parliaments/assemblies were dissolved except that of England. Westminster therefore remains a de facto English parliament.

      The basic dichotomy in the above is that, in England (including Cornwall and Yorkshire), Parliament is sovereign. In Scotland, the People are sovereign and, therefore, not a subculture.

      • Cubby

        Out+of+Africa

        The English parliament was terminated. The Scottish Parliament was prorogued. A new UK parliament was created. That is the legal situation.

        In reality the UK parliament continued as if it was the English parliament with some new lodgers.

        In England the Monarch has devolved sovereignty to the English Parliament but of course no such Parliament legally exists. In Scotland, as you correctly say the people are sovereign.

        This results in no written constitution for the UK due to a fundamental difference. The English solution is to kid on the UK is England and kid on the UK constitution is the English constitution.

    • Cubby

      Rhys+Jagger

      Xenophobia oozes out of this post. Pretty much what I would imagine is written in the Daily Express every day.

    • Roger+Ewen

      Boris, Hunt, both prime minister candidates…. both Americans.
      Both Zionist bankers…. or derivatives there of.
      May, a banker.
      Cameron, his rabbi stated he was a direct descendant of Moses.
      Mmmm….
      Tell me again…. what was it …. the English want to be subjugated….?
      Mmm…. you vote Tory, we don’t! Because we have an empathy with our neighbours, with humanity, including the English nation. You see it as them and us.
      You see it as my country, right or wrong.
      I see the butchery, your government is inflicting on Syrians men women and children, for example.
      I don’t blame you or your compatriots, for there actions, I blame your ignorance and bigotry to vote for them in the first place.
      Even the typical northern Labour counties voted Tory!
      You cannot blame London, for an English nations vote. Take responsibility for your actions, you elected them, with an increased majority.
      Like sheep to the slaughter…..

  • Cubby

    It’s official Boris Johnson is the only person in the world to have the corona virus. Every TV station is all about Johnson Non stop. Will we be subjected to what he is having for his lunch later today. The guy did not follow his own rules – just like Calderwood, just like Auld Betty and Charlie from Wales that never goes to Wales ( he ran away to Scotland ), just like the two Tory MSPs who went for a drive to the highlands and went hill climbing.

    The whole UK cabinet did not follow their own rules. The rules are for the plebs.

    Trump and Johnson the Dumb and Dumber of world leaders.

    The only one out of this lot hounded by the Britnat media is Calderwood because she works for the Scottish government. Double standards – no problem we are Britnat scumbags it comes natural to us.

    • J Galt

      I’ve been shot down in flames for suggesting this in another place but I’ll risk it again – perhaps Ms Calderwood didn’t follow her own rules because she didn’t really believe in said rules?

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