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	Comments on: Your Man in the Public Gallery: Assange Hearing Day 13	</title>
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		By: Jim Moore		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jim Moore]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Sep 2020 01:22:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2020/09/your-man-in-the-public-gallery-assange-hearing-day-13/comment-page-1/#comment-957677&quot;&gt;Rhys Jaggar&lt;/a&gt;.

Adults are pretty good at recognising child psychopaths, say, under 8 years of age, before the latter learn to hide their acts and traits from being discovered. Evolution Theory indicates that Homo sapiens culled such children from the tribe for most of our 200,000 year existence because we knew the damage they caused if we let them grew up into adults, when they were also much harder to kill.
Unfortunately for our species we stopped eliminating them about 5,000-10,000 years ago, thus allowing them to band together to enslave us to serve their lust for control over us.
If we, the majority, don&#039;t rise up and overthrow them very soon then it will spell the end of our species.
I know the above sounds brutal and mostly pessimistic, but to paraphrase Conan Doyle, when you eliminate all which is impossible, then whatever remains, however unpalatable, must be the truth.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2020/09/your-man-in-the-public-gallery-assange-hearing-day-13/comment-page-1/#comment-957677">Rhys Jaggar</a>.</p>
<p>Adults are pretty good at recognising child psychopaths, say, under 8 years of age, before the latter learn to hide their acts and traits from being discovered. Evolution Theory indicates that Homo sapiens culled such children from the tribe for most of our 200,000 year existence because we knew the damage they caused if we let them grew up into adults, when they were also much harder to kill.<br />
Unfortunately for our species we stopped eliminating them about 5,000-10,000 years ago, thus allowing them to band together to enslave us to serve their lust for control over us.<br />
If we, the majority, don&#8217;t rise up and overthrow them very soon then it will spell the end of our species.<br />
I know the above sounds brutal and mostly pessimistic, but to paraphrase Conan Doyle, when you eliminate all which is impossible, then whatever remains, however unpalatable, must be the truth.</p>
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		By: Stewart		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2020 12:37:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2020/09/your-man-in-the-public-gallery-assange-hearing-day-13/comment-page-2/#comment-957731&quot;&gt;UreKismet&lt;/a&gt;.

&lt;p style=&quot;margin: 10px 20px 10px 20px; line-height: 14pt&quot;&gt;&quot;The issue is that englanders are pushing legislation through their parliament which will prevent the prosecution of the most appalling of all crimes&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

It&#039;s not the population that is demanding this legislation, ure
that&#039;s really not how things work here
it&#039;s being sneaked through while nobody is looking
do not conflate the gang of puppets and crooks in &quot;government&quot; with the british people - the vast majority of whom are decent and law-abiding]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2020/09/your-man-in-the-public-gallery-assange-hearing-day-13/comment-page-2/#comment-957731">UreKismet</a>.</p>
<p style="margin: 10px 20px 10px 20px; line-height: 14pt">&#8220;The issue is that englanders are pushing legislation through their parliament which will prevent the prosecution of the most appalling of all crimes&#8221;</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not the population that is demanding this legislation, ure<br />
that&#8217;s really not how things work here<br />
it&#8217;s being sneaked through while nobody is looking<br />
do not conflate the gang of puppets and crooks in &#8220;government&#8221; with the british people &#8211; the vast majority of whom are decent and law-abiding</p>
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		By: Patrick+Haseldine		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Patrick+Haseldine]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2020 11:47:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2020/09/your-man-in-the-public-gallery-assange-hearing-day-13/comment-page-2/#comment-957727&quot;&gt;Hope&lt;/a&gt;.

The Ruth Smeeth link is pursued here: https://wikispooks.com/wiki/Document:Your_Man_in_the_Public_Gallery:_Assange_Hearing_Day_13]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2020/09/your-man-in-the-public-gallery-assange-hearing-day-13/comment-page-2/#comment-957727">Hope</a>.</p>
<p>The Ruth Smeeth link is pursued here: <a href="https://wikispooks.com/wiki/Document:Your_Man_in_the_Public_Gallery:_Assange_Hearing_Day_13" rel="nofollow ugc">https://wikispooks.com/wiki/Document:Your_Man_in_the_Public_Gallery:_Assange_Hearing_Day_13</a></p>
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		By: Patrick+Haseldine		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Patrick+Haseldine]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2020 11:43:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;Your Man in the Public Gallery: Assange Hearing Day 13&quot; is republished on Wikispooks here: https://wikispooks.com/wiki/Document:Your_Man_in_the_Public_Gallery:_Assange_Hearing_Day_13]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Your Man in the Public Gallery: Assange Hearing Day 13&#8221; is republished on Wikispooks here: <a href="https://wikispooks.com/wiki/Document:Your_Man_in_the_Public_Gallery:_Assange_Hearing_Day_13" rel="nofollow ugc">https://wikispooks.com/wiki/Document:Your_Man_in_the_Public_Gallery:_Assange_Hearing_Day_13</a></p>
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		By: Ian		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ian]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2020 09:58:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2020/09/your-man-in-the-public-gallery-assange-hearing-day-13/comment-page-2/#comment-957731&quot;&gt;UreKismet&lt;/a&gt;.

Indeed, Ure, that was a weird response. But it does beg the question of the value of posting topics here, when all you get is a self-interested screed on the hobby horses that people love to endlessly parade.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2020/09/your-man-in-the-public-gallery-assange-hearing-day-13/comment-page-2/#comment-957731">UreKismet</a>.</p>
<p>Indeed, Ure, that was a weird response. But it does beg the question of the value of posting topics here, when all you get is a self-interested screed on the hobby horses that people love to endlessly parade.</p>
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		By: M.J.		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[M.J.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2020 08:55:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2020/09/your-man-in-the-public-gallery-assange-hearing-day-13/comment-page-2/#comment-957744&quot;&gt;M.J.&lt;/a&gt;.

Even the Guardian:
&lt;p style=&quot;line-height: 14pt&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;https://www.dumptheguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/sep/21/extradition-julian-assange-wikileaks-democracy-not-criminal&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow ugc&quot;&gt;https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/sep/21/extradition-julian-assange-wikileaks-democracy-not-criminal&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2020/09/your-man-in-the-public-gallery-assange-hearing-day-13/comment-page-2/#comment-957744">M.J.</a>.</p>
<p>Even the Guardian:</p>
<p style="line-height: 14pt"><a href="https://www.dumptheguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/sep/21/extradition-julian-assange-wikileaks-democracy-not-criminal" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/sep/21/extradition-julian-assange-wikileaks-democracy-not-criminal</a></p>
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		By: M.J.		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2020 08:37:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Encouraging news:
&lt;p style=&quot;line-height: 14pt&quot;&gt;https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/more-than-160-world-leaders-and-diplomats-call-for-uk-to-release-julian-assange/ar-BB19h7q8?li=BBoPWjQ&#038;ocid=mailsignout&lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Encouraging news:</p>
<p style="line-height: 14pt"><a href="https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/more-than-160-world-leaders-and-diplomats-call-for-uk-to-release-julian-assange/ar-BB19h7q8?li=BBoPWjQ&#038;ocid=mailsignout" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/more-than-160-world-leaders-and-diplomats-call-for-uk-to-release-julian-assange/ar-BB19h7q8?li=BBoPWjQ&#038;ocid=mailsignout</a></p>
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		By: Robert		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Robert]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2020 08:32:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2020/09/your-man-in-the-public-gallery-assange-hearing-day-13/comment-page-2/#comment-957726&quot;&gt;N_&lt;/a&gt;.

My understanding is that the exclusion of sexual violence means that crimes involving sexual violence can be investigated beyond the 5 year limit. ???]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2020/09/your-man-in-the-public-gallery-assange-hearing-day-13/comment-page-2/#comment-957726">N_</a>.</p>
<p>My understanding is that the exclusion of sexual violence means that crimes involving sexual violence can be investigated beyond the 5 year limit. ???</p>
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		By: giyane		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[giyane]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2020 08:21:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2020/09/your-man-in-the-public-gallery-assange-hearing-day-13/comment-page-2/#comment-957701&quot;&gt;Dom&lt;/a&gt;.

Probably true]]></description>
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<p>Probably true</p>
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		By: Dawg		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dawg]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2020 04:13:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2020/09/your-man-in-the-public-gallery-assange-hearing-day-13/comment-page-2/#comment-957734&quot;&gt;giyane&lt;/a&gt;.

The line &quot;There once was a man called Andrew Gilligan&quot; evokes a news editor&#039;s poem about the Hutton Inquiry:

&lt;p style=&quot;margin: 10px 20px 6px 20px; line-height: 14pt&quot;&gt;There once was a man called Andrew Gilligan,
He asked a man &quot;Why did they kill again?&quot;
Little did he know soon blood would spill again,
Naughty Andrew Gilligan, begin again …&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p style=&quot;margin: 10px 6px 10px 20px; line-height: 14pt&quot;&gt;Tabloid sheets we need to fill again.
Will they take the thin blue pill again?
Vote the evil shits back in again!
Come back Andrew Gilligan, to shill again.&lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2020/09/your-man-in-the-public-gallery-assange-hearing-day-13/comment-page-2/#comment-957734">giyane</a>.</p>
<p>The line &#8220;There once was a man called Andrew Gilligan&#8221; evokes a news editor&#8217;s poem about the Hutton Inquiry:</p>
<p style="margin: 10px 20px 6px 20px; line-height: 14pt">There once was a man called Andrew Gilligan,<br />
He asked a man &#8220;Why did they kill again?&#8221;<br />
Little did he know soon blood would spill again,<br />
Naughty Andrew Gilligan, begin again …</p>
<p style="margin: 10px 6px 10px 20px; line-height: 14pt">Tabloid sheets we need to fill again.<br />
Will they take the thin blue pill again?<br />
Vote the evil shits back in again!<br />
Come back Andrew Gilligan, to shill again.</p>
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		By: giyane		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[giyane]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2020 03:57:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2020/09/your-man-in-the-public-gallery-assange-hearing-day-13/comment-page-2/#comment-957736&quot;&gt;giyane&lt;/a&gt;.

In fact, that explains why the warmongering British msm have been told to say nothing about this case, because it is an opportunity for all the war crimes of the last 20 years to be discussed and aired. The MSM know that doing that will massively help Trump. So they have been commanded to stay silent.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2020/09/your-man-in-the-public-gallery-assange-hearing-day-13/comment-page-2/#comment-957736">giyane</a>.</p>
<p>In fact, that explains why the warmongering British msm have been told to say nothing about this case, because it is an opportunity for all the war crimes of the last 20 years to be discussed and aired. The MSM know that doing that will massively help Trump. So they have been commanded to stay silent.</p>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Susi]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2020 03:38:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2020/09/your-man-in-the-public-gallery-assange-hearing-day-13/comment-page-2/#comment-957704&quot;&gt;Carolyn Zaremba&lt;/a&gt;.

You are such a star, Craig. I salute your stamina and wit. You are a true friend to Julian and mankind.
Love and all the best from Germany]]></description>
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<p>You are such a star, Craig. I salute your stamina and wit. You are a true friend to Julian and mankind.<br />
Love and all the best from Germany</p>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[giyane]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2020 03:28:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2020/09/your-man-in-the-public-gallery-assange-hearing-day-13/comment-page-2/#comment-957728&quot;&gt;N_&lt;/a&gt;.

N_

Trump has no idea what being Commander in Chief means.
He often claims he has just stopped a war by intervening against the military.
If you have a system that is trigger happy which must constantly be rescued by an alert President  why not just re-train his military to stop being assholes?

It gives him a photo opportunity as top dog for Conservatives as well as appealing to Liberals who hate war. 
He&#039;s a damn good estate agent.  

Maybe this raking up the past is just a neat way to remind voters how much they hate the war mongering of the Democrats Clinton Obama. 
I hate it too, especially in relation to Donkey Starmer. 

So this court case is all about electioneering, there is hope that Assànge is not the real target .
The real target is the Swamp.]]></description>
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<p>N_</p>
<p>Trump has no idea what being Commander in Chief means.<br />
He often claims he has just stopped a war by intervening against the military.<br />
If you have a system that is trigger happy which must constantly be rescued by an alert President  why not just re-train his military to stop being assholes?</p>
<p>It gives him a photo opportunity as top dog for Conservatives as well as appealing to Liberals who hate war.<br />
He&#8217;s a damn good estate agent.  </p>
<p>Maybe this raking up the past is just a neat way to remind voters how much they hate the war mongering of the Democrats Clinton Obama.<br />
I hate it too, especially in relation to Donkey Starmer. </p>
<p>So this court case is all about electioneering, there is hope that Assànge is not the real target .<br />
The real target is the Swamp.</p>
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		By: giyane		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[giyane]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2020 03:00:39 +0000</pubDate>
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Brian c

There once was a man called Andrew Gilligan.
They&#039;d have been much wiser not to rake up all this 2003 stuff. Why not just give Julian a prize and let sleeping dogs lie?

Maybe this is just the mindless perversity of Trump&#039;s obsessive reversal of everything Obama.

Does Trump&#039;s nationalism come from his Scottish side?]]></description>
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<p>Brian c</p>
<p>There once was a man called Andrew Gilligan.<br />
They&#8217;d have been much wiser not to rake up all this 2003 stuff. Why not just give Julian a prize and let sleeping dogs lie?</p>
<p>Maybe this is just the mindless perversity of Trump&#8217;s obsessive reversal of everything Obama.</p>
<p>Does Trump&#8217;s nationalism come from his Scottish side?</p>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2020 02:32:15 +0000</pubDate>
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Glenn_UK

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<p>Glenn_UK</p>
<p>Obviously you haven&#8217;t read Daniel Deronda.</p>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2020 01:51:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Craig, once again thank you for your superb reporting. I know some of the legal disputations between Shenkman and Dobbin must seem tedious to you, but to those of us across the pond who have some understanding of the U.S. legal system, the detail in the questions and responses is incredibly revealing. I don&#039;t know if Dobbin was simply trying to be obnoxious or truly doesn&#039;t understand how U.S. law works in practice (or maybe both), but a couple of telling weaknesses in her questioning:
&lt;ol style=&quot;margin-bottom: 12px&quot;&gt;&lt;li style=&quot;padding-bottom: 10px&quot;&gt;While the statements of dissenting justices may be interesting, they don&#039;t represent legal precedent; and in the U.S., precedent is everything when arguing a case.&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;The U.S. District Federal Court system is a patchwork of fiefdoms, and it is almost unheard of for a competent lawyer to argue a Constitutional case based on District precedent, much less argue that a District case is dispositive law. If you want to argue a case in the 7th District, you had better have 7th District precedent, not 9th District precedent. The people in the midwestern states (7th District) don&#039;t think that people in the 9th District (far western states) share the same opinions and experiences on legal issues, and vice versa. Shenkman was quite correct to bat down Dobbin on the Robson case, since Robson is only considered settled law in the Eastern District of Virginia--not in other District Courts--and Summers was pitch perfect in driving this home on re-examination. That Dobbin concluded with an ad hominem attack shows, to me, that she knew she was outlawyered by Shenkman.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ol&gt;

One opportunity that I think may have been missed regarding what truly constitutes &quot;national security&quot; in document classification is the egregious case of the U.S. versus Thomas Drake, former senior executive of the NSA, who the government also tried to charge under the Espionage Act. The government actually classified documents possessed by Drake at the time of his arrest that had been unclassified when he took them home to work on them. Shenkman was correct that document classification in the U.S is totally political, because politicians have ultimate control over what gets classified and at what level. The President, for example, has the absolute authority to unclassify any document, not the Supreme Court. That&#039;s about as political as you can get.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Craig, once again thank you for your superb reporting. I know some of the legal disputations between Shenkman and Dobbin must seem tedious to you, but to those of us across the pond who have some understanding of the U.S. legal system, the detail in the questions and responses is incredibly revealing. I don&#8217;t know if Dobbin was simply trying to be obnoxious or truly doesn&#8217;t understand how U.S. law works in practice (or maybe both), but a couple of telling weaknesses in her questioning:</p>
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<li style="padding-bottom: 10px">While the statements of dissenting justices may be interesting, they don&#8217;t represent legal precedent; and in the U.S., precedent is everything when arguing a case.</li>
<li>The U.S. District Federal Court system is a patchwork of fiefdoms, and it is almost unheard of for a competent lawyer to argue a Constitutional case based on District precedent, much less argue that a District case is dispositive law. If you want to argue a case in the 7th District, you had better have 7th District precedent, not 9th District precedent. The people in the midwestern states (7th District) don&#8217;t think that people in the 9th District (far western states) share the same opinions and experiences on legal issues, and vice versa. Shenkman was quite correct to bat down Dobbin on the Robson case, since Robson is only considered settled law in the Eastern District of Virginia&#8211;not in other District Courts&#8211;and Summers was pitch perfect in driving this home on re-examination. That Dobbin concluded with an ad hominem attack shows, to me, that she knew she was outlawyered by Shenkman.</li>
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<p>One opportunity that I think may have been missed regarding what truly constitutes &#8220;national security&#8221; in document classification is the egregious case of the U.S. versus Thomas Drake, former senior executive of the NSA, who the government also tried to charge under the Espionage Act. The government actually classified documents possessed by Drake at the time of his arrest that had been unclassified when he took them home to work on them. Shenkman was correct that document classification in the U.S is totally political, because politicians have ultimate control over what gets classified and at what level. The President, for example, has the absolute authority to unclassify any document, not the Supreme Court. That&#8217;s about as political as you can get.</p>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2020 01:25:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2020/09/your-man-in-the-public-gallery-assange-hearing-day-13/comment-page-2/#comment-957664&quot;&gt;writeon&lt;/a&gt;.

Ian is not being &#039;grumpy&#039; he is expressing his disgust at the way some posters divert attention away from an important issue by racing to be first to respond then completely ignore the issue raised in the original post by upturning a barrel of blather in an effort to drown out the OP.  I have had this happen several times in a blog I frequent and I no longer accept that there is an innocent explanation for this appalling breach of netiquette.

The issue is that englanders are pushing legislation through their parliament which will prevent the prosecution of the most appalling of all crimes - war crimes, by giving torturers, rapists and murderers a free pass if they can keep their head below the parapet for 5 years. The Starmer stooge will likely stay schtum.
Given how long it generally takes for the real facts about wars to surface, in essence this legislation if passed would mean that war crimes will have been legalised.
How does it go?  I am disappointed but not surprised that england has again shown great alacrity to serve the proprietors of the empire it once owned .
The quiet around this trial is not an unfortunate accident it can only happen because the vast majority of englanders are happy for it to happen this way.  Blaming the media for all this is nonsense. 

I have observed the hypocrisy whereby people claim to oppose something which deep down they support but want to absolve themselves from too many times to believe so many humans can possibly lack that degree of self-awareness.
I suspect Mr Assange believes something similar - he knows that it doesn&#039;t matter a damn what the defence says or does he is going to be extradited no matter what, hence the outbursts for posterity.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2020/09/your-man-in-the-public-gallery-assange-hearing-day-13/comment-page-2/#comment-957664">writeon</a>.</p>
<p>Ian is not being &#8216;grumpy&#8217; he is expressing his disgust at the way some posters divert attention away from an important issue by racing to be first to respond then completely ignore the issue raised in the original post by upturning a barrel of blather in an effort to drown out the OP.  I have had this happen several times in a blog I frequent and I no longer accept that there is an innocent explanation for this appalling breach of netiquette.</p>
<p>The issue is that englanders are pushing legislation through their parliament which will prevent the prosecution of the most appalling of all crimes &#8211; war crimes, by giving torturers, rapists and murderers a free pass if they can keep their head below the parapet for 5 years. The Starmer stooge will likely stay schtum.<br />
Given how long it generally takes for the real facts about wars to surface, in essence this legislation if passed would mean that war crimes will have been legalised.<br />
How does it go?  I am disappointed but not surprised that england has again shown great alacrity to serve the proprietors of the empire it once owned .<br />
The quiet around this trial is not an unfortunate accident it can only happen because the vast majority of englanders are happy for it to happen this way.  Blaming the media for all this is nonsense. </p>
<p>I have observed the hypocrisy whereby people claim to oppose something which deep down they support but want to absolve themselves from too many times to believe so many humans can possibly lack that degree of self-awareness.<br />
I suspect Mr Assange believes something similar &#8211; he knows that it doesn&#8217;t matter a damn what the defence says or does he is going to be extradited no matter what, hence the outbursts for posterity.</p>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2020 00:08:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2020/09/your-man-in-the-public-gallery-assange-hearing-day-13/comment-page-2/#comment-957720&quot;&gt;douglas clark&lt;/a&gt;.

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<p>Yes, it&#8217;s very good.</p>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Sep 2020 23:43:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2020/09/your-man-in-the-public-gallery-assange-hearing-day-13/comment-page-2/#comment-957699&quot;&gt;amanfromMars&lt;/a&gt;.

It&#039;s not perjury because he wasn&#039;t under oath, but of course it&#039;s a serious professional offence for a barrister to lie to or otherwise wilfully mislead a court.]]></description>
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<p>It&#8217;s not perjury because he wasn&#8217;t under oath, but of course it&#8217;s a serious professional offence for a barrister to lie to or otherwise wilfully mislead a court.</p>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Sep 2020 23:37:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2020/09/your-man-in-the-public-gallery-assange-hearing-day-13/comment-page-2/#comment-957668&quot;&gt;Rhys Jaggar&lt;/a&gt;.

@Rhys - The US government too is to some extent taking a &quot;no pussyfooting around&quot; attitude, as evidenced by this:

&quot;&lt;i&gt;Lewis responded that it was unacceptable to the US government that allegations of torture should be made.&lt;/i&gt;&quot;

Normally that would be taken to be an extremely arrogant way to address a judge, and the barrister would get slapped down for it. &quot;Public interest immunity&quot; certificates can&#039;t be issued to a British court by a foreign government, and if the US government can&#039;t &quot;accept&quot; Julian Assange producing evidence that is relevant to his defence, then the US government should be told that it can choose between lumping it and withdrawing its application.

Does Trump want Assange in a US prison by 3 November? I&#039;m not sure he does, given what he has said about the US war against Iraq and also how he has repeatedly taken dumps on the US military.]]></description>
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<p>@Rhys &#8211; The US government too is to some extent taking a &#8220;no pussyfooting around&#8221; attitude, as evidenced by this:</p>
<p>&#8220;<i>Lewis responded that it was unacceptable to the US government that allegations of torture should be made.</i>&#8221;</p>
<p>Normally that would be taken to be an extremely arrogant way to address a judge, and the barrister would get slapped down for it. &#8220;Public interest immunity&#8221; certificates can&#8217;t be issued to a British court by a foreign government, and if the US government can&#8217;t &#8220;accept&#8221; Julian Assange producing evidence that is relevant to his defence, then the US government should be told that it can choose between lumping it and withdrawing its application.</p>
<p>Does Trump want Assange in a US prison by 3 November? I&#8217;m not sure he does, given what he has said about the US war against Iraq and also how he has repeatedly taken dumps on the US military.</p>
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