The mainstream media have been replete with stories of a new Tory “red meat” initiative of right wing policies. “Government sources” briefed the media that Liz Truss and Priti Patel were in talks with their counterparts in Ghana and Rwanda about setting up internment camps to receive asylum seekers deported from the UK.
Apart from the fact it would be entirely illegal to deport eg Syrians or Afghans to Africa, I knew it to be simply impossible the story was true. I have had the pleasure of being friends with President Nana Akufo Addo of Ghana, and with many of his family, for twenty years. Nana would never agree to such a thing; his background is as a human rights lawyer and activist.
The British Government gives a great deal in aid to Ghana, and may feel this gives it leverage, but that would be massively to underestimate Ghanaian people and history, as well as its President. Ghana has a proud tradition of sheltering refugees. It harbored at various times much of the leadership of the African National Congress, and is the spiritual home of pan-Africanism. It continues to host many tens of thousands of refugees from conflict elsewhere in West Africa. Ghana helps refugees, it does not imprison them.
Ghana was the first African colony to gain Independence. It is not going to agree to be a prison for the former colonial power to detain those fleeing from conflicts that erupted as a consequence of British invasion.
The Times was adamant that arrangements were advanced, reporting that
The focus will instead be on ensuring that vessels cannot land on UK shores illegally without the knowledge of the government. Priti Patel, the home secretary, and Liz Truss, the foreign secretary, are also in talks about “outsourcing” UK asylum claims to countries such as Ghana and Rwanda.
However I spoke to three Ghanaian ministers that I know personally, who have assured me there have been absolutely no talks with Priti Patel or Liz Truss on the issue, or to their knowledge with anybody else, and that the answer is a non-negotiable “no”. The Ghanaian government has now issued an official denial.
Of course we are used to the Tories lying as naturally as they draw breath. That the Murdoch press and other right wing media amplify those lies, without the slightest attempt at fact-checking, is no longer as surprising as it should be. But to implicate another sovereign state in their lies is another level, and they have drawn entirely undeserved suspicion on President Akufo Addo and his government. The Tories have done this purely to burnish their racist credentials with their own core electorate.
It is a further symptom of Tory racism that they presume that you can tell any lies you like about what is happening in an African country and there will be no comeback.
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So what’s your proposal for dealing with the illegal migrants?
France after all is not at war. They are not fleeing a warzone by crossing the channel.
Then we have the matter of consent. The average state spend per person is £16,500 a year. That’s current cost. Factor in the unfunded pensions and the debts, and that rockets. Why should people who disagree be forced to pay for the cheap servants of the elite, and to have wages for the poor supressed?
Now before you try the usual racist attack. Here’s a sensible migration policy
1. No criminals. [I’ve just got off the phone from the police where they say organised crime, with murderers and rapists is low level crime]
2. No discrimination. None of this pro white EU, anti brown Indian Remainer racism.
3. Net contributors only.
Then the more the merrier.
On the illegals. They should be shipped back to France on the first Eurostar. ie. Within 1 hour of landing, 45 mins on the train and they are back in Calais.
It is not illegal to claim asylum.
No It’s not, but I’m sure you realise Craig that you’re wasting your time with this person. Hope you are keeping well.
No, it is not.
But there is an argument to be had about why people cross several respectable, peaceful, safe countries without claiming asylum on the basis that they wish to make a claim OVER THERE. Why not in the first place they can do so safely?
I am not anti-immigrant. In fact I volunteer with a migrant support charity. I am also an immigrant myself. But this fundamental question needs to be asked and debated in an open and transparent manner.
Because duh they can’t get here on an airplane like everyone else duh.
I always find the argument that they should claim asylum in the first safe place as rather convenient for the racist anti-immigrant. There is no other way to reach the UK, then via another “safe” state simply because of geography. The UK is attractive for many reasons. The consequences of Britain imperialist past means English is the language everyone learns as their first foreign language. Also there are likely to be immigrant communities in the UK who came from the old Empire in the past. And as mentioned above it is not illegal to claim asylum; but a fundamental human right.
Well, I think we all need to be more careful about calling anybody racist, especially when know nothing about them.
I accept that the UK is attractive for many reasons, not the least of which is that its immigration people and processes take years to come to any decision in any given case. I still see asylum as a safe place for people fleeing from war, etc.. If we say that those fleeing from persecution are free to put additional criteria on top, criteria to do with more selective choices, then the term asylum ceases to have much meaning.
Some of the countries of origin were in the French empire, such as it was, so are we setting the same selective standards for them?
And I repeat what I said earlier that we should be able to discuss these things without calling each other names.
“Now before you try the usual racist attack.”?! lol. I am surprised you didn’t just call Mr. Murray an anti-vaxxer Putin sock-puppet and be done with it.
The vast majority of the “illegal migrants” who risk their lives trying to cross the Channel come from Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Libya, Yemen etc. Notice a common thread in that list? Yes, they are all countries that have recently been bombed back into the stone age by Uncle Sam’s or the British armed forces (or their Saudi proxy). Their countries no longer possess an economy worth talking about because of our actions, so they are economic migrants because of that.
France is indeed not at war, nor, unlike our governments (of varying hues) did its government enthusiastically and unquestioningly follow the Yanks in their every misguided foreign military adventure of the last 30 years or so. Also, France no longer has any obligation to prevent or discourage any of the “illegal migrants” from trying to reach the U.K. as we are no longer a signatory to the Dublin Treaty, having left the E.U. (did you vote leave by any chance?).
The vast majority of the illegal immigrants crossing the Channel are young, healthy, even if mostly uneducated men, not one of them looks at all as someone who’s suffered badly, more to the point, it’s exactly such young men that are needed in the countries they come from, we are syphoning off the labour pool these countries need to build a better future.
And young men are exactly the kind of people oppressive governments like to draft or kill first, as our gracious host documented in excruciating detail in his book “Dirty Diplomacy” [aka “Murder In Samarkand”]. Once again, over 70% of the asylum claims of those who survive to make it to UK shores are approved. Those are not the claims of economic migrants but those who fear death at the hands of the thugs who run their countries. Toughing it out is simply not an option for them.
The answer to your suggestion that the countries the asylum seekers come from are run by thugs (if one were to accept that this is true), Fazal, is to get rid of the thugs. Migration, whether economic or because of reasons of politics, can never ever solve the underlying motivation of the people leaving the countries of the South migrate to the prosperous North, watch this video, it’s not new, but still as relevant as it was when it first appeared:
Immigration and World Poverty Explained with GUMBALLS – Does Immigration Really Help The Poor? – Indicrat, 9 Feb 2017 (YouTube, 6m 13s)
What’s more, France is actually offering asylum to these refugees, even though it is under no obligation to make things easier for an ungrateful UK and has resettled far more refugees than the UK ever has. It’s had few takers, for whatever reason (mostly language and family connections) they are intent on exercising their right to seek asylum that the UK government has callously made impossible to exercise without undergoing a treacherous and illegal journey across the channel.
It’s also worth mentioning that over 70% of those asylum claims are approved for those who survive to make them.
Stop blowing up their countries, stop poncing off the US empire of terror, return to the more civilised 1960s definition of refugee.
“On the illegals. They should be shipped back to France on the first Eurostar. ie. Within 1 hour of landing, 45 mins on the train and they are back in Calais.”
And the French should either stop them bording Eurostar or upon arrival to France send them back to UK on the next train. Let’s play Ping Pong or have this people traveling back and forth on Eurostar. If I were French I would “leave” 100’s or 1000 boats untended on the beaches, or even easier solution, who ever wants to go to UK from France just put them on Eurostar. I am sure France can afford about £ 100 per person one way or £50 on a ferry of course if it’s off peak. Uk should make it clear to France no weekends. Truss and Patel are able to deliver this message. BTW have you ever travelled on Eurostar.? Do you know where “border checks” are?
I forgot to say that I never assumed you were racist and I actualy assume you are human rights activist, one of woke brigade.
“If I were French I would “leave” 100’s or 1000 boats untended on the beaches,”
Yes, where do all the boats come from? Why don’t they run out?
These people are outside France, outside the EU and in a supposedly safe country. France is under no obligation to admit them since we left the EU and the Dublin Agreement. Any more than the UK would admit undocumented people who had been here and left. It’s precisely because these people know they can no longer be returned that they are willing to pay smugglers to help them cross in easily spotted boats.
The Home Office’s own internal research suggests more often than not the boats are not purchased by people smugglers but by the asylum-seekers themselves pooling money to buy an inexpensive craft (and terribly unsafe ones, but these are not professional mariners).
AdenWs. As a cost analysis expert, can you also enlighten us on the Compensation Bill we in US and NATO owe for destroying just one country and say killing a million of it citizens, its economy, its industry, its infrastructure and taking over its resources and its leadership ? You don’t have to bother adding the Compensation for the depleted Uranium shells or the Chemical Weapons we sold to Saddam Hussain to use against the Kurds and Iranians. If you can, that will be very kind of you. Many Thanks.
Has Rwanda denied such reports? We know that Albania has in the past, and now Ghana has.
Doesn’t the name ‘Operation Red Meat’ rather give the game away? Either the Tories aren’t even bothering to pretend this isn’t a PR sop to their (only increasingly) racist electoral base, or they don’t think they’d be smart enough to work it out with even such a blatant moniker.
At least hang a lampshade over it, guys; this is just awkward.
I like the fact the Ghanaian press release says “Operation Dead Meat”, which seems more accurate.
Can you add a link to that press release? I don’t see it on the Ghana MFA government website, but I do on their twitter feed.
Calling it ‘Operation Dead Meat’ (rather than red meat) is top shelf trolling of Johnson. 🙂
Well spotted. 😉
Excellent post Craig.
Aah but only if you were a proper journalist though eh? 😉
It’s all perception over substance.
How’s that “levelling up” goin’?
Multi millionaire Tory peer gets £300 k to repair his driveway in Sussex.
A secondary school in Tory voting Cambridgeshire gets more allocation from the Turing fund than all the state schools in Scotland, Wales & NI combined.
Somewhat off topic but on topic with regards to media manipulation. At todays PMQs Neil Hanvey, ALBA MP for Kirkcaldy and Cowdenbeath arose to ask the PM a pertinent question regarding the cost crisis. When any MP asks any questions, the BBC always has a caption identifying the MP, his or her constituency and which political party they belong to.
Not for Neil Hanvey. There were no captions from the BBC. He was effectively made anonymous. At one point during Bojos wiffle waffle response the focus camera switched back to Mr. Hanvey only to switch again to the PM in under a second. Why? Mr. Hanvey was wearing an ALBA face mask.
The dead hand of Kirsty Wark in the background was almost palpable.
“Nana would never agree to such a thing; his background is as a human rights lawyer and activist”
Same background Sir Keir once boasted of, to great effect.
Great post, I for one have certainly been missing them these past few months.
One thing though – typo on the final sentence (‘abut’). Btw, my wife doesn’t agree with me about entertaining foreign dignitaries either… maybe I should reconsider the point.
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[ Mod: Typo now corrected. Thanks for pointing that out. ]
Of course, as they say: ‘sh*t sticks’. This idea has now been planted in the minds of the ‘discerning’ DM readers, they will now go on and spread the lie for eternity.
Many more asylum seekers can speak and understand English than French or any other European language and that’s why they head to Britain. If you’re claiming asylum, it gives you a head start if you have a basic grasp of the language and what you’re being asked to do.
Yes probably; but no doubt the asylum seekers have had their future life in the UK talked up by those who want the £5000 fare for a seat in an inflatable designed for one third of the total of refugees that get ushered into each one?
I’m sure they get told how the UK will give them money every week, put them up in hotels, fast track them for permanent housing; and that they will be able to get food for free from premises called food banks.
If you were destitute and fleeing from a trashed country, wouldn’t you believe the hype?
I live in a poor northern town, many working people here don’t have £5000 never will have £5000, and have never even seen £5000 yet my town is home to many asylum seekers.
It’s much cheaper to dump them here than house them in the more picturesque parts of the country. If some of the commentators here saw them hanging around town harassing the local ladies, they may have a different view.
I don’t view my comment as racist just a statement of fact!
Those nice people of the Liarbour Partei did the same for Hull in the 90s and to be frank the refugees have done a lot to raise the moral tone of the town. Once the leader of a gang of racist brutes got 19 years for attacking refugees the local public got used to them. I can’t imagine Hull going back to being an insular rather than the cosmopolitan society I found in 1991. The bread’s a lot nicer for a start.
It’s easy to disagree with refugees crossing the Channel, or indeed with refugees anywhere.
But, I promise you, if you meet one, and as an aid worker I’ve met many, you’re instantly converted to the person and their cause.
All your prejudices disappear.
Bigotry and prejudices have no place in a civilised society. Bottom line is, if the government wants to reduce the number of refugees coming to the UK all they have to do is stop bombing the crap out of their homeland. While the public keep backing the tories and the wannabe red, green and yellow tories the problems will persist.
The Australian solution….
It would be a hard hearted bastard that would wish that on anyone.
Of course Boris is so used to telling lies that he may now be genuinely confused about the difference between “truth” and “falsehood”. It’s a common disease among politicians of all stripes, though Boris does seem an extreme case.
But it does you no credit to tar all Tories with the same brush: “we are used to the Tories lying as naturally as they draw breath”. You’re calling about 40% of the population of Britain liars, and later you imply that they’re all racists, too. Shame on you.
You’re right, it’s not entirely fair to label all Tories as liars and racists. There are a lot of credulous fools in their ranks too, the useful idiots who vote against their own interests. But you have to admit that most of these get their views from years of reading the likes of The Sun, Mail, Sport etc., so even if they were just fools before, they’re certainly racists by now.
“Tories are liars” loses force when you know the leader of the opposition lied his way into that position and is applauded by anti Tory media for having done so. The idea he and his supporters are anti racist is likewise comical.
Dom, did you read the same original post that I did? I saw nothing that Mr Murray said which suggested that the British Labour Party was superior to the Tory Party, and as far as I know this is not Mr Murray’s position. On the other hand, as you might know, the Tory Party happens to be the party in power which has perpetrated the particular bundle of lies and racism which the post was dealing with, and as far as I can make out from the southern tip of Africa, this has not led the 1922 Committee and the Cornflower League to resign their positions and form the Independent Nonracist Truth-Telling Conservative Party (GB).
I know it is not Mr Murray’s position. Did you see who I was responding to?
The leader of the “Opposition” is a closet Tory, as his behaviour has proved time and again. The proposition stands.
Even The Conservative Woman (TCW) has moved to distance itself from the Tories. Tells you all you need to know!
What we / you are experiencing is the first premonitory wave of human migration related in part to global warming. Obviously war and violence and corruption in many countries can be seen as the more immediate cause but for instance in Syria, a prolonged drought precipitated large numbers of disposed Syrians moving to the cities, ripe for disturbance of the (less than satisfactory) status quo. The projections for climate refugees by 2050 is one billion people. So if the UK seems to have problems with a few thousand crossing the Channel, what happens with ten times the numbers? Possessing a humane understanding of the needs of migrants and climate refugees is presently paramount, but you know, there is a point when sheer numbers brings other emotions – fear for one., confusion and distress are others. The UK is already a seriously crowded, over-populated country, nor is there any guarantee that the wealth and cohesion of the country is permanent. Converging environmental and geopolitical challenges may ultimately bring orderly responses to mass human migration impossible to sustain. What price humanity when one’s own society is stretched to its limits and beyond? Is there a solution? I truly don’t know, but it won’t be by one inadequately prepared and arrogant nation pretending its moorings off the coast of Europe are going to protect it. Only an urgent international discussion, UN backed, can produce a plan to protect our humanity and civilisation. We can make a start by dealing with global warming.
JM
You’re wrong about Syria. The civil war did not happen because of climate change. There was a drought in Syria because the Turks built four dams on the Euphrates and four dams on the Tigris, cutting in half the amount of water in the Euphrates. entirely a man-created problem. but not even that caused the war: that was the US,UK and its allies (notably Saudi), financing, supporting and supplying a minor revolt which would have been of little consequence without their intervention.
I fail to see how this could possibly work as a practical policy, even if Rwanda were to accept such migrants (and there is no actual sign that they would, despite the best efforts of the Guardian to pretend otherwise). Generally speaking, people who come to Britain at the risk of their lives do not wish to live in Rwanda. Generally speaking, Rwanda does not have enough money to keep deportees from Britain inside its territory and has no special incentive to do so. The chances are that the Rwandans would take the British shilling and then allow the migrants to leave, and they would head straight for Europe. Good luck to the British government trying to get their money back.
But of course, as you say, Mr Murray, this is simply a scam combined with an attempt to further degrade the democratic and liberal sensibilities of the British media. In which attempt the Tories seem to have succeeded famously, but then it’s not a hard thing to do.
The Uk trained and equipped terrorist organisations in the middle east since the 1945, the SAS and CIA trained Hundreds of insurrectors before Syria went into a tail spin.
We are currently giving away hundreds of anti-tank missiles to Ukraine’s Nazis and our boys in blue a ove have been training high-level bombing runs and dog-fighting in our skies for the last week from 8am onwards.
This country is trying all tricks in the book to pretend to be peaceful, measured and diplomatic, whilst behind the scenes they are preparing to ‘help’ Ukraine to join NATO, a failed defense pact that vowed not to advance ‘by one inch’ into eastern Europe after the wall fell in 1989.
I recommend ‘secret Affairs’ by Mark Curtis to read, it will open your eyes to the division and underhand trading we are undertaking with terrorists of all hues.
That they have now added organised fascists to this secret agenda is astonishing, given that they just hounded out a socialist after accusing him of antisemitism for three years.
Dog whistle grandstanding by politicians works, they wouldn’t do it otherwise. Constantly ‘nudging’ their target audience is normal behaviour.
Public ignorance of legal procedures greatly assists them of course. This yarn from government ministers reminds me of listening to the account from a Royal Navy captain from the time he was involved in capturing pirates operating in the Arabian Sea.
The procedures followed to comply with those captured under international law, were manifold. Having to be medically checked and given proper access to legal representation being just two.
In the end, rather than bring them back to Blighty to be properly processed they were just taken up the coast, miles from were they came from and released.
It is notable that one government minister silent on this pantomime, is the minister of defence…_
It’s almost as though this bizarre proposal was designed to blow up in Boris’s face.
Internal maneuvering for the succession?
I find it relatively straightforward to assume that all problems in the UK are cuased by useless government, useless lawmakers and useless monitors / inspectors / enforcers.
If I was anywhere in the world and seeking a better life, I would be trying for USA or UK. So why wouldn’t ‘they’.
If the UK wishes to discourage such traffic, they should alter the social security, housing rights and blah blah blah.
They should also hunt down and hit the professional traffickers hard and often. All that money goes into bank accounts these days, it does not stay as grubby notes.
If the UK wants to welcome the asylum-seeking or economic migrants, then they should set up a workable system. But across the UK, we can’t build enough houses, schools, prisons, roads or railway lines with our current talent. Perhaps energetic immigrants can do what they’ve usually done in the past, worker harder than the locals and make a success of things.
This has become such a crappy country, obviously 4 Tory adminsitrations in a row brings its own corruption and second-ratedness, but Labour was never any better. Oh for some talent in Scottish politics ha, ha, ha.
There was once a plan to make a homeland for Jews in Africa, a distraction from the reality planned all along by the British government to colonise what is now called Israel. What you and I call lies is political guff, from which to launch some yet undisclosed other policy. Its no good complaining about politicians using the dark arts of politics. This fake policy is all about the ‘ othering ‘ of immigrants
I was recently offered some work with a group of right-leaning, msm believing, politically correct twits working in a multi cultural workplace. As a scum.of the earth sub- contractor , I am always in this clique’s doghouse. Regious difference is tolerated by law, which is resentfullly enforced.
What is shocking about this Tory lie, is the inference that victims of British illegal war deserve to be exported to another continent. It is a lie about Tory , and Labour, warmongering, insinuating that the inhabitants of Iraq Syria Yemen Libya are undeserving subhumans, who foolishly got in the way of the important , exceptionalist ,
USUKIS program of human development.by spreading Western varlues to the Middle East.
Or as my Irish friend once said , the British soldier asks ” What are those things over there?” ” Don’t worry about that, just shoot. ”
If their intention ever was to spread British varlues, they would invite all comers. But their intention was only ever to shoot game in foreign countries where their crimes would not be discovered. As it still is in Palestine
Craig, can you provide a link for your recent interview with Russia Today, mentioned on your Twitter page?
I’d heard that Albania, yep, Albania was being kited for this role several weeks ago,and now this twaddle; Ghana & Rwanda ! Just where will it end eh…to the heart of the Tenere by boat and Camel? I have read the comments so far, and have seen that most have focussed on the tragedy of forced migration and the reasons for it, and justifiably so. However, I have to ask, who the hell comes up with this shite, and then gets it ok’d by their bosses? Do Staff at the FO pull names out of a hat, or just chuck Darts at the Wallmap? It beggars belief, and as comedy, it’d even make Sir Humphrey blush. This isn’t just incompetence, it’s stupid, and we look like dafties all the more for it.
“It (Ghana) is not going to agree to be a prison for the former colonial power to detain those fleeing from conflicts that erupted as a consequence of British invasion.”
And therein lies the depths of disgust and contempt that this government merits and deserves.
Many, if not most, of the refugees currently seeking asylum and whom the British Government would like to force back into the sea are fleeing from countries – Iraq, Syria, Libya, Afghanistan, Yemen – lying in dust from the death and destruction visited upon them by ‘the west’ lead of course by the US and their fawning footstools the UK.
Having played a full part in the destruction of their countries the UK government now wants to punish their refugees. Sick, very sick indeed.
And, of course, you can be sure this is something our equally rotten MSM will not bring to your attention.
Peter
Imagine if Corbyn was PM. He’s going to stand up and say:
It was always obvious that stopping free movement of people was never going to stop people coming to the UK.
We are thankfully out of the European Union, but still connected in all the areas of national life from which we as a country stand to benefit, in trade, in workforce shortages and in belonging to the European Court of Justice.
It is well known that Sir Keith Starmer’s Remain policy enfuriated the British public at the last election. We left the EU in order to change British foreign policy and make Britain a country that stands independently from US exceptionalism which has brought us 45 years of continual illegal wars against our friends and allies abroad.
We would be able then to strike out on our own, and the great majority of both British and US voters oppose these foreign and illegal wars and invasions. I ask myself one simple question, how will it ever be possible to normalise our system of asylum when we ourselves as a country invade and destroy our neighbours ? Countries in which their peoples used to enjoy their property and cultures and where now all that remains is a choice between tents in refugee camps outside their country or seeking asylum abroad?
Mr Johnson wants to build a virtual wall, like the physical walls around Palestine or Mexico, but he wants to build a wall on no foundations. The foundations of Human Rights and Asylum are the commitment to political change instead of illegal attacks on the sovereignty of others.
The people who risk their lives crossing the English Channell , by boat , by lorry, or any other means are all the victims of illegal wars that have forced them to move. They may be called asylum seekers, but the politicians in London and Washington that wage illegal war, by proxy or by direct bombing from the safety of the skies, are the ones who belong to the Asylum. They think they can get away with criminal destruction of our neighbours.
But at some time in the very near future they will discover that the allies of the countries we have so cavalierly destroyed have become stronger militarily and politically than ourselves.
Giyane,
Indeed, pretty much agree with all of that.
We have lost so much through not getting Corbyn into Downing Street.
Starmer must be very proud of himself.
Call Them What They Are : THE BLAIR BOAT PEOPLE.
Please one of you twitter types start ‘OH NO MAM…PLEASE DON’t’ in relation to the psyo criminal being gonged.
Mr Murray, as you are so enamoured with uncontrolled immigration into the UK, I am certain you would welcome every asylum seeker to be housed north of the border. It will after all help to counter your population exodus. It wil of course bankrupt Scotland, but that is your problem, not the English. You can’t demand all the immigration and then tell the English to pay for it. Either you pay for it or you accept there must be limits. OK?
It is unethical of you to call core traditional ‘conservative voters’ racist. If you did it in a court of law, you would be obliged to provide evidence or be held in contempt of court.
It is not racist to say that there cannot be uncontrolled mass immigration into the UK without consequences, when the flows have been happening in the hundreds of thousands per year for over 20 years.
These immigrants do not pay to build all the new housing required for them, they do not pay for all the extra school places, NHS capacity required, they do not pay for all the hostelries they are put up in for months at a time. It is paid for through funny money printing and the running of services for those who have lived here for generations. If you approve of that, you really make me sick….
There is a limit to UK generosity, Mr Murray and whilst i would rather spend what money we have on harbouring refugees than shipping weaponry to Ukraine, I am not a racist for saying that the only thing that happens when a woman keeps her legs wide apart in public places with a placard saying ‘All refugees welcome down there’ is that she will get f***ed repeatedly until such time as she closes them and makes it clear that enough is enough.
There is an arrogant attitude amongst many of these young men arriving on these shores that ‘you have to accept us’. No, we DON’T.
I didn’t vote for the wars in Afghanistan, nor in Iraq. Tony Blair used all the shenanigans of an international war criminal to ensure the UK took part in them. Millions who voted for him (I didn’t, I voted for colleagues of Charlie Kennedy) didn’t vote for that war, marched in the biggest peacetime demonstration since WWII to demonstrate their opposition. They are not responsible for a criminal Prime Minister nor a supine House of Commons.
I am getting pretty sick and tired of having to tell you to behave with decorum. You are a malignant and malevolent racist yourself against perfectly ordinary and decent UK citizens, Mr Murray, and if you tell me that the EU is a democratic institution that supports the peoples of Europe rather than its objectionable elites, I will also tell you that, far from being an intellectual titan, you are in fact an intellectual cretin.
You do not have to be racist to vote Conservative, and, increasingly, true conservatives with a small c are coming out saying that they won’t vote Conservative, they won’t vote Labour, they want a proper alternative that actually promotes what they consider to be conservatism. Things like financial prudence, sensible control of national borders, standing up for- and supporting the British SME base (which is huge in terms of its employment, even if the only companies that ever get MSM coverage are TNCs), supporting British farmers and fisherfolk, trading internationally in respectful manners. If you spent time reading grassroots ‘conservative’ blogs you would just as many fulminating right wing worthies as you find fulminating true Scottish nationalists here at your blog. If you think that SNP grassroots are somehow different to conservative grassroots people, you simply could not be more wrong. They have contempt for most of the
Conservative Cabinet, voting for Johnson holding their noses because they wanted Brexit done and are vowing in their thousands never to vote for that bunch of criminal shysters again. You’re not some rebel out there leading the charge – the grassroot right wing voters of England have been snorting and fulminating full-on for two years now.
You have been absolutely ignorant and wrong to do with everything concerning Covid, which is perhaps forgiveable as you are an arts graduate with all the scientific knowledge of Boris Johnson. I haven’t been going around calling you a Dr Mengele for your incoherent repetition of scientific inaccuracy, have I?
Now do start treating ordinary people with basic courtesy and respect or expect people to haul you into an English court for a charge of repeated, wilful and malevolent racism.
Rhys Jagger
There’s a difference between the political right to claim asylum from a country that has colonised and impoverished your country and our rights to be treated with respect. Most immigrants just accept British foreign policy same as the rest of us, in other words become the silent majority that never speaks out against injustice.
I think it’s human nature to parrot the received abuses from our country’s citizens in the past back to the citizens of this country in the present. It’s highly offensive, but there again I suspect the British were pretty offensive when they controlled India etc.
It’s like a static electric charge which you happily contain inside your caravan , which the discharges to the ground when you step outside. The trick is, and I am the last person to remember it myself, not to take thistle of abuse personally, but see it as a pent up collective sense of injury that eventually , and charismatically gets released.
Not that I ever remember that when I should. I hate the word karma, but ” sins of the fathers being visited on the sons ” makes sense to me . Static energy release.
Colonialism is so insidious and persistent, and its rewards are so huge that it becomes an addiction, and like more addiction there is denial by the addict who keeps coming back for more and more but always in a state of denial.
Colonialist imperialism has also become internalized as a right which has now evolved into a belief of a divine right to set the rules for others and to oblige the others to live their lives how we want them to not how they want to, The neo form of colonialism is now called neoliberal globalism and in this form the rule based laws are made by the masters of the universe, with little semblance to international law.
In this rules based law human beings in the third world are a resource, either for cheap labour, or for for hosting our extractions, or for helping our consumerist culture.
Where immigration comes into this is the cheap labour bit: when the cheap labour is required in their countries we invest in companies that exploit their resources whilst paying them the cheapest rates. It does not stop there, where we require cheap labour to do jobs we don’t want to do, or we have shortages, we have immigration quotas. These are very useful controls to regulate our needs, not theirs.
People who wonder why immigrants target their colonialist masters in preference to others try to divert from the basic issue which is that the colonialism and the exploitation is the cause of this targeting.
Mr. Jaggar,
If you object to Mr. Murray’s views that strongly then you do have the obvious remedy of not patronising this blog. You could always spend even more time with the anti-vaxxer fruitcakes who have taken over “OffGuardian” than you do already – much more in line with your views I would imagine.
OG was once a good website but now turned fully covid denials and so obsessed with covid that they hardly write about other issues. As you say the comment section is now given to fruitcakes living in a parallel universe. OG moderators do not tolerate any other views, like the Guardian they criticize, and unlike their slogan that facts are sacred, they heavily censor any comments that do not agree with their credo. What a sad loss.
OG has been full-on fruitcake for about 18 months now. As you say, it was once a good website but it’s a case of the dog coming to resemble its owner (or even a grotesque parody of it’s owner) in a journalistic sense, if that’s not too twisted an analogy.
Mr. Jaggar,
There are three points with your post – and I make three (3) short replies:-
My responses:-
NOW – ASYLUM SEEKING – IS ACKNOWLEDGED UNDER INTERNATIONAL LAW.
Here is the problem – some powers create the problems to make the people become refugees – and the ‘evil that men do…” create the circumstances that live after the deeds that were done!
This is a disgraceful act, and a slight on Ghana and its president, thankfully for us you have your finger on the pulse with regards to Ghana and its president. Are there no levels that this Tory government won’t stoop too? I wonder.
Message for Mr. Murray:
This video isn’t new, it has been around for years, but it hasn’t;t lost its relevance, will you please view it then tell us whether the guy’s right or wrong, please:
Immigration and World Poverty Explained with GUMBALLS – Does Immigration Really Help The Poor? – Indicrat, 9 Feb 2017 (YouTube, 6m 13s)
What a load of gumballs!
I see Ghana suddenly suffers a explosive ‘accident’
“ A large crater was left following the explosion, after a truck that was travelling between two goldmines in the mineral-rich region hit a motorcycle.
Kwesi Ofori, director of public affairs for the Ghana police service, told reporters on Friday that the transport of the explosives had followed proper procedure, and the truck had a police escort.”
Reports the Groanad.
There seems to be an inconsistency between these paragraphs and the reports of the lorry driver attempting to tell people to get away from the scene before the blast occurred.
What were the police escort doing?
Are we also lied to on a grand scale about the rise in the gas prices, its links with NS2 and the crisis about the Ukraine? Are these linked? I really do not see that there has been any good explanation of the steep rise in gas prices. Are we being prepared for war with Russia and distractions from failings of our governments? Could someone with more knowledge please illuminate us?
Meanwhile German naval chief resigns for being in touch with reality
https://news.sky.com/story/german-navy-chief-resigns-over-ill-considered-ukraine-russia-remarks-12523257