There is still no explanation as to why the judge chairman Lady Poole, the lead counsel Douglas Ross KC and three other lawyers have all quit the public inquiry into the handling of Covid in Scotland. This is an astonishing event. The inquiry currently is not happening. But nobody in the media seems particularly to care.
Word being put around the Edinburgh establishment is that there is nothing to report, it is nothing to do with remit or evidence, just about terms of service and the length of the inquiry. But that really does not wash. If the inquiry has collapsed over such issues, either the Scottish government has starved it of resources or the lawyers have behaved disgracefully and unprofessionally, abandoning an important public responsibility midway.
Either way, this cannot simply be shrugged off as nothing. And that is assuming it is true that there is no dispute over substance.
On that substance, obvious mistakes were made – such as the release of patients with covid back into care homes – but plainly they were not malicious. What was extremely malicious was the profiteering – for example over PPE, and Pfizer’s price maximisation on their vaccine. But these are outside the scope of this inquiry. I do not know why.
As regular readers know, I have avoided commenting much on covid on the grounds of lack of expertise. My instincts are libertarian – I would have concentrated more on enabling robust (but voluntary) shielding of the vulnerable rather than locking down healthy young people at low risk. Some things made no logical sense at all – like closing the universities when the schools were open. But I do not share the radical opinions many people genuinely hold, both for and against the lockdowns.
One major issue I have not resolved in my own mind is whether covid-19 was a natural development or an escape from a laboratory of a man made variant. The problem is that the experts best able to determine this are of course themselves in this research industry, which could be at fault in inflicting enormous human suffering.
If it were determined that covid-19 were human engineered, the backlash would result in massive closure of labs and defunding of the industry. I therefore don’t expect the scientists to tell us that any time soon.
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I think special awards should be made to the BBC and the Guardian for the propaganda op they ran. (see propaganda ops on Corbyn, Assange and Ukraine for comparison). Expect ops on blackouts soon. (Note the National Grid is owned by Macquarrie who have the moral compass of Enron).
The Leo Strauss award has to go to Neil Ferguson for his claim that 500,000 people would die between March and July 2020.
Commiserations go to Nicola Sturgeon who wanted so much to run an independence campaign, but was prevented by that pesky covid.
Big tech played a blinder by banning all those Putin backing Trumpers – cheered on by shitlibs from the Guardian ( is that where Paul Mason got it from?)
Might be worth following the money – who got rich. How much wealth was transferred from the poor to the rich.
Finally::- https://twitter.com/earth_marine15/status/1583144354746896384
At the start of the pandemic, I did a simple spreadsheet simulation of exponential growth based on the then-current R rate and assuming that would fall as an increasing percentage of people gained resistance through infection. It produced about the same curve that the experts were projecting and, assuming 1% mortality, predicted 600,000 deaths. Of course lockdowns suppressed that growth until the vulnerable could be vaccinated so we can never know for sure how things would have gone had the disease been left to spread unchecked. But there’s no basis for saying the experts were proved wrong.
Except for what happened in Sweden. Last time I checked they still had a functioning economy unburdened by lockdown furlough debt and ‘scandinavian’ levels of mental illness.
Maybe, but it wasn’t unreasonable to project 500,000 dead at the time that projection was made. In fact, a realistic projection would have been higher because that many cases would have overwhelmed the health service.
Plenty of people think it was though. Professor John Ioannidis for instance was cautioning against such a projection and has been proved right as the IFR is now much the same are annual ‘flu.
Not only this, but the demographic most affected and known to be from the earliest Italian outbreak is the elderly, sick, and sick elderly, resulting in an average age of death around 82. So, not only was the projection unfounded but the seriousness of the deaths was over emphasised, when you are 82 your death is less ‘sad’ than when you are, say, 28 the average age of death from the ‘Spanish’ ‘flu.
What is also no longer debatable is that those with weakened immune systems fared far worse. Early evidence from Indonesia showed that your vitamin D status was a strong indicator of how you fared once you contracted the viral infection. This was also apparent in the ethnicity of medics in the UK who died from Covid during 2020, until one Asian doctor spread the word that high D3 was important in survival among African and East Asian people living in the UK.
What do you mean by “the then current R rate?” Neil Ferguson predicted an R rate with malicious intent. Compliance, not health was, and is, the goal.
There is no need for an inquiry. It would be a total waste of public money. The reality is that COVID is mostly over except in some peoples heads. Some will say the government locked down too much and some think the lockdowns were too little too late. Perhaps there is some truth to both sides. Will an inquiry help with the next global pandemic – probably not because the next pandemic may be something totally different. Obviously scientists will continue to try to understand how pandemics spread, how to tackle them and how to model them regardless of any formal inquiry. Also interesting is comparisons between approaches taken by different governments. I think the blame game is pointless – we survived as a species and to a large extent most people were trying their best in an absence of knowledge. For those that disagree, I have to ask what you actually hope to learn from an inquiry.
I agree. Good points. Blame who?
If covid is the result of government misconduct, don’t we want to know what caused it so that we can prevent the same thing from happening again?
Lysias,
I believe any thorough investigation would show the reaction to covid was wildly disproportionate and badly managed.
The real problem of any findings, is not just the embarrassment that could cause the governments, but the embarrassment it would cause all those citizens who supported the draconian measures so avidly…_
Those who would take control of my body, for my own good, need to be punished for that reason alone. I, and I alone, own my body. The masks, the lockdowns, the vaccines, the moral blackmail, did absolutely nothing, for 99% of the population.
I agree with Mr. Murray. The vulnerable should have been protected, and the rest of us should have been left alone.
The people who made us suffer through that black period, should never be allowed in or near a position of power again.
Craig asks: “One major issue I have not resolved in my own mind is whether covid-19 was a natural development or an escape from a laboratory of a man made variant.”
It was a natural development. The other suggestions are little more than willful suggestions to stir up Chinophobic feelings. There is no reason to suggest that Covid was man made – and nothing beyond improper suspicions about Chinese. We are surrounded by viruses, and given that we spread germs like crazy across the planet it is inevitable such viral outbreaks will occur. They have in the past and they will in the future. It would not be unreasonable for a future virus to kill 70-80% of the population.
Ron Unz thinks covid was a bioweapons attack by the US on China.
So an enquiry in Scotland is going to get to the bottom of that? I hadn’t realised that Scotland was the foremost leader in bioweapons blame assignment. If there is going to be a scientific investigation into Wuhan meat-markets / biolabs it will be be done by the Chinese in China. It seems to me an inquiry here about what might have happened there is counter-productive to the possibility that China may one day be open about its findings into this or any other matter. They will also be less likely to collaborate with our scientists if the result is bunch of unproven and informed innuendos. The usual speculation that the US is behind this is perhaps not surprising! (our free speech laws are great but possibly quite alarming to Chinese)
Has news still not reached you about what they’re doing to Julian Assange? Or do you just consider it misinformation?
How do you know Andrew H ? Surely the most honest approach is caution rather than certainty, which demands you assess data and facts to avoid being wrapped up in what may be mere propaganda.
For example, until yesterday I too thought SARS-CoV-2 was most likely a natural evolutionary event until I read reports of the work of several genetic virologist scientists who investigated the RNA sequence for the Furin cleavage site in the SARS-CoV-2 Spike Protein to see if it occurred anywhere else in nature? It doesn’t. It has base sequence structure that no other virus or any other living thing in nature possess.
On February 23 the Daily Mail ran an article showing that Moderna has patented the 19 base letter (nucleotide) sequence which codes for the Furin Cleavage site in Covid-19.
They cited a Paper by Scientists in India, Switzerland, Italy and the US (cautiously entitled: MSH3 Homology and Potential Recombination Link to SARS-CoV-2 Furin Cleavage Site) in which they calculated that the chances of a 19 nucleotide sequence patented by Moderna randomly appearing in Covid-19 in circumstances where it does not appear anywhere else in nature are 1 in 3 trillion.
https://expose-news.com/2022/10/23/moderna-created-covid-virus/
https://harpercollins.co.uk/products/viral-the-search-for-the-origin-of-covid-19-alina-chanmatt-ridley?variant=39647929139278
Until you (or whom ever you care to cite) can de-bunk these reports – with science and data – the man-made proposal stands as the most rational explanation.
Andrew I hope you can find the time to read this:
https://nicholaswade.medium.com/origin-of-covid-following-the-clues-6f03564c038
Several important points are made:
Viruses have escaped from labs before
Fauci was funding the Wuhan lab.
Someone in the lab messed up. The Chinese only supported the “natural” theory because they didn’t want to lose further contracts and association with US bio research.
Chinophobia is nothing to do with it
For what it’s worth I suspect that the research into SARS and bats in Wuhan provided used animals for the wet markets, so that rather than culling infected animals the workers tasked with disposing of them sold them into the food chain
I have followed this closely, devoted hours every single day seeking out and reading about government responses around the world and – crucially – the studies which support or otherwise NPIs (Non-Pharmaceutical Interventions). To anyone supporting effectiveness or damages caused by masks, PCR testing of asymptomatic people, lockdowns, (anti)social distancing or the jabs I have one comment. Show me the methodologically sound studies which justify your position. Not MSM medical ‘experts’ or columnists – methodologically sound studies.
“One major issue I have not resolved in my own mind is whether covid-19 was a natural development or an escape from a laboratory of a man made variant”.
There are three different theories here. 1. “Natural” – most likely on the basis of all the evidence from biological, evolutionary, ecological and sociological sources amongst others. 2. “Escape from a laboratory”, say as a result of unsafe experimentation with a virus sample, which if that was the case could only come about because of breaches in the rigorous lab biosafety standards that are pretty universal and 3 “Man made”, which would be an extraordinary feat of biological engineering given viral complexity, which are by no means diminished by technological advances in genetic sequencing or so called “gain of function” or “loss of function” research
Actually the Covid story, as far as I remember, did not start in mysterious circumstances in wet fish markets or laboratories. It started in a very human and humane way when Wuhan doctors became baffled as to what was causing an unusual pneumonia in some patients and with the help of the researchers identified a “novel” coronavirus. China had previous experience of SARS, which actually had a higher case fatality rate than SARS CoV-2, and had good grounds to be concerned as on that basis it could be highly contagious, but also became rather cagey about it.
So by the time China raised the alert and with Wuhan a global hub this virus that no-one’s immune systems had experienced before was freely circulating across the world. Government procrastination to reduce circulation in the early stages just opened the doors for the virus to travel further far and wide.
The virus was only doing what all viruses do, going from one host to another in proportion to the opportunities it had available, particularly where people congregate together, which are many times more on an international scale than say what they were even 50 years ago The virus is of course has also been changing all the time as it made its way from bats into animals taken to wet markets and similar and so into humans. Very hard to programme such changes in a lab I would have thought.
To my mind it is only arrogance, hubris and reading or watching too much sci-fi that suggests that humans can better Nature at what comes naturally to it after all these aeons of time.
What do you think the US Defense Department has been doing in the numerous biolabs that it funds and supervises in Ukraine and other countries bordering Russia and China, to the tune of billions of dollars?
Making cheap medicines of course, outside of the pesky US capitalist IP grip 😀
“Very hard to programme such changes in a lab I would have thought.”
I’m surprised nobody has made mention of the latest creation by the clever people at the Boston University School of Medicine:
https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2022.10.13.512134v1
John Campbell gives a pretty thorough overview here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_WTZo9ieBKY
The link takes you to an abstract of a paper that is not yet peer reviewed and is far from being in state from which wild and outlandish conclusions can be drawn.
This study is just saying that there is more to the virus than the Spike, (which is what some virologists have been saying for some time). because here natural Omicron and original virus with Omicron Spike have different effects on mice. So it is being suggested that the mice got ill and died in greater numbers from other as yet unknown factors. The purpose of the research was to test if Omicron could be both more transmissible and less virulent than previous or other variants. If the results were the other way around it would have supported that idea but all they do is to raise more questions. I think there are probably flaws in the research because the wrong questions were being asked as suggested by the way the abstract was written, or they were not being approached in the right way, but that will be the job of the peer reviewers to sort out. No cause for alarm here.
Neither can medicine better nature in resisting seasonal viruses, I would suggest, so far.
The question has to be asked – “Why are bio-weapon facilities around the world creating these viruses, if they have no intention of using them”?
We will soon arrive at the third anniversary of the virus being detected in humans. I would have thought that every research lab around the world would have wanted to discover the DNA profile of the virus. Three years on, and a search for the answer only finds hundreds of articles riddled with “scientists believe that…” and “it is thought that….” I can only assume that either our scientists are dumb, or someone is suppressing the results.
Meanwhile, the Daily Express has stuck its head above the parapet – https://www.express.co.uk/news/science/1686890/Covid-19-origin-laboratory-Sars-CoV-2-infectious-clone-science-latest-news
But that’s how scientific research works. Sometimes scientists are mainly just curious.
You may as well argue why does anyone study maths. Not all mathematicians want to go to war.
Experts disagree on this. However, it does seem clear that the kind of research which generates dangerous viruses should be regulated. There’s a very recent report here about a team in Boston which developed a virus that is as infectious as the omicron variant of Covid, but many times as lethal (it killed 8 mice out of 10 in a test). This isn’t a “China” problem; it’s a worldwide bioresearch problem. Biologists need to do research on viruses, but it needs to be regulated. The Boston work wasn’t done in the most secure kind of lab; it should have been.
It’s patented in America, in 2017, do you require further proof?
It was brought to Wuhan by Fucci!
The injection used to treat covid, was a failed cancer treatment which resulted in killing all participational animal subjects.
Within the first three months of the roll out of this experimental injection, 1200 recipients were dead. Usually medical doctors, if there were 25 deaths in recipients numbers, the rollout would of been stopped until a full investigation was carried out.
All these facts are but some of the snipits coming from the release of Phizer documents. Those documents that they tried to hide for 75 years.
Simply put, and frightengly put, this was a genocide perpetrated against humanity and in collusion of and by the American eugenics society , the WHO, the FDA, the EU, the English government, media and the UN and of course the pharmaceutical companies. Bill Gates being a third generation participant of the eugenics society and previous experiences with Ebola and its genocide repercussions in Africa!
Our great deflector Andrew H. is adamant that he does not want those who defrauded the Government and taxpayers who are now lumbered with 300 billion debts. It is a waste of money cloak we need, not clarity about our mistakes and or preparations for the next pandemic spread by affluent frequent flyers.
The origins of this virus will eventually come out, when the lists of supreme US fotrces sports champions attending the Wuhan military sports competition are known. The US effort seems to have been abysmal, as if the wrong kind of sportsmen were sent, seemingly expecting a chess competition. Did they have a penchant for wild meat/fish markets? Was any of these crap sportsmen/women involved in bio research, were they actually scientists on a ‘fitness excursion’?, a perk, to a central place in China that is a Transport hub for the worlds business people and Chinese workers who at certain times of the year fly home to celebrate the new year and other family occasions?
Why does Andrew think that a reduction of our pandemic budget from 850 odd million, to 530 odd million, lambasted in a report that found a 2016 to be worse than inadequate, would have no influence on the pandemic that struck us in 2020.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/oct/24/ministers-still-hiding-full-details-of-2016-pandemic-simulation
I do want to know what the PM thinks about recouping monies from fraudsters who scammed us for billions, whether Rishi thinks that the people involved should be allowed to carry on in business at all, until they repaid these ill gotten gains?
I’d like to put it to Andrew H. abbakuk that covering up these failures will not make for learning from mistakes, a preparation in nothing at all to be seen here will not stop a new pandemic going global.
It is staggering to me as a person of Science working in Pharma for over 20 years that e.g. the following facts are not understood (because they are not disseminated) by most:
* The vaccines have not been approved in the proper way. Phase III trials are still ongoing and Phase III is always the vast bulk of data that is gathered for any approval. They are all emergency approved pending completion of Phase III
* The phase III trials in any case have been severely compromised in that the entire placebo cohort was abandoned after less than 2 months (Rationale -that the placebo group did not deserve not to be protected by the (un-approved) vaccine)
* PCR testing has never before been successfully used as a diagnostic test and in the case of Covid it too, has not been properly validated as a medical device. (Note that most of the statistics promoted to the public are based on PCR combined with dubious definitions, e.g. the extrordinarly loose definition of what constitutes a PCR connected “case” or a Covid death)
*Although Phase III is not nearly complete, there are significant indicators that there are safety concerns for the mDNA and viral vector vaccines, including normal medical feedback to the surveillance databases in the US and the UK. AND in preliminary report out data from the phase III trials.
* Safety and efficacy data for additional boosters and for children is even less robust than for the initial 2 jabs in the General population.
* On top of all these safety doubts, the virus has evolved into strains which are even less dangerous than initially AND there are now doubts as to real efficacy of the vaccines against, becoming a case, against serious consequences or against transmission of the virus.
intip1 As a practising scientist (I’m a retired technology school teacher) what is your opinion of these reports that SARS-CoV-2 is man made?
On February 23 the Daily Mail ran an article showing that Moderna has patented the 19 base letter (nucleotide) sequence which codes for the Furin Cleavage site in Covid-19.
They cited a Paper by Scientists in India, Switzerland, Italy and the US (cautiously entitled: MSH3 Homology and Potential Recombination Link to SARS-CoV-2 Furin Cleavage Site) in which they calculated that the chances of a 19 nucleotide sequence patented by Moderna randomly appearing in Covid-19 in circumstances where it does not appear anywhere else in nature are 1 in 3 trillion.
https://expose-news.com/2022/10/23/moderna-created-covid-virus/
https://harpercollins.co.uk/products/viral-the-search-for-the-origin-of-covid-19-alina-chanmatt-ridley?variant=39647929139278
intp1,
are there any estimates of how long to go before the trials are complete?
How do our testing procedures compare to the rest of the world? Are they UK wide standards or do we follow international standards…?
@ Natasha
It is pretty obvious that Gain of Function research is and has been ongoing for years. Some people label it as bio-weapons research but I speculate that it evolved out of research which was motivated by ensuring certain profitable diseases continued to arise.
There was a Dr. Li-Meng Yan from Hong Kong who wrote a paper on this 2 years ago. Also these references.
https://theintercept.com/2021/09/06/new-details-emerge-about-coronavirus-research-at-chinese-lab/
https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2022.10.18.512756v1.full.pdf
A Lancet Commission in the UK recently also recently said: “Independent researchers have not yet investigated the US laboratories engaged in the laboratory manipulation of SARS-CoV-like viruses, nor have they investigated the details of the laboratory research that had been underway in Wuhan. Moreover, the US National Institutes of Health (NIH) has resisted disclosing details of the research on SARS-CoV-related viruses that it had been supporting, providing extensively redacted information only as required by Freedom of Information Act lawsuits.”
Other Scientist dispute it but on the whole I believe there is plenty of evidence that SARS-CoV-2 was engineered. The question then is Why? For honest research reasons or?
@DiggerUK
Different trials for different manufacturers began at different times. I believe that the Pfizer Phase III is due in Q2 2023 but I personally expect Obfuscation and misdirection on a biblical scale regarding this data. The political ramifications of failing phase III at this point are not resistible even though no company and no public sector employee can be sanctioned or prosecuted for anything they did or said regarding Covid in the UK according to the Covid Act.
*The testing procedures and Statistics are pretty ‘harmonized’ certainly across the FDA, the EMA and the British MHRA, e.g. the same trials data is generally used for all. These trials have been conducted by outsourced companies, hired by the the drug companies. It remains to be seen how this work is marked by the regulators 🙂
It is a matter of how the acceptance criteria are pre-designed and then how any ‘deviations” are rationalized away.
@intp thanks very much for your swift response and links, appreciated. Given that SARS-CoV-2 may indeed contain man-made sequences, which appear to have a sequence of 19 gene bases found ONLY in mammals (i.e. humans) – in structures (Furin Cleavage Site) it uses to infect host cells – what is your view on potential ‘real world’ efficacy / dangers of the various types of vaccines we’re being offered? (Not trial results, which as you indicate are likely far too biased to tell us much beyond posing the question: why such patent obfuscation). Thanks!
Do your own research e.g. https://www.ukcolumn.org/topic/coronavirus
but I would not take any more Covid jabs than the two I already took, and now regret.
That’s your idea of “doing your own research” – going to a far-right, low-fact, conspiracy peddling website, which frequently publishes stories with zero references together with absolute falsehoods – particularly concerning the pandemic?
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/uk-column/
Doing your own research = Look for bias confirmation.
Pears confessing his MO.
@intp1 thanks I have done my own research, including asking for you to share your insights here. Thanks for the link to Dr. Mike Yeadons testimony (on the uk column site) which seems robust and logical from someone who has professional experience in the domain, I will research what others say… meanwhile like you I will not be getting further vaccines and regret the two I’ve had.
@glenn_nl ‘killing the messenger’ is a logical fallacy.
@Pears Morgaine your snide remark(s) simply expose your limited grasp of process and appear dis-honestly designed to disrupt rather than learn.
Since I started taking megadoses of Vitamin D in early 2020, I have not had any respiratory infection. Not covid, not flu, not colds, nothing.
Check out this very recent interview with a Dr Marik. on off-label treatment versus the vaccines in ur research.
Very informative.
https://www.theepochtimes.com/dr-paul-marik-spike-related-diseases-gaslighting-of-the-vaccine-injured-and-the-suppression-of-early-treatment_4818954.html?utm_source=epochHG&utm_campaign=DrPaulMarik
Remember that use of approved off-label drugs for a different disease is common and often leads to a drug being approved on-label, Off-label drugs have been given to 10s of thousands of clinical trial participants (targeting another disease) and had no significant Safety effects, so the chances of doing harm are negligible. As apposed to the vaccines which were rolled out without gathering such safety data.
When I heard that that the establishment (WHO, CDC, even FDA) were attacking drugs such as Hydroxychloroquine and Ivermectin I initially thought the motivation was that these drugs were so old, the patents had run out and massive profiteering could not be had BUT there is another reason: In order to allow emergency/provisional approval of a drug, a condition must be met: that there is no other available treatment. These drugs were (still are) being suppressed in order to justify the vaccines.
just wondered if you have noticed I added several more posts on this topic.
intp1, thanks, keep us all up to date…_
just wondered if you have noticed I added several more posts on this topic.
Re https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2022.10.18.512756v1.full.pdf
Personally I would be very suspicious of a paper that has in small print at the top:
—-(which was not certified by peer review) is the author/funder,
Acknowledgements
We thank Justin B. Kinney (Cold Spring Harbor Laboratory) for helpful discussions and for feedback on the manuscript. (From the Cold Harbor website it does not have any connection with virology whatsoever).
We thank many other unnamed colleagues for their feedback. (Why unnamed?)
Declarations of Conflicts of Interest
ADW owns shares of a life insurance company and is a co-founder of Selva (for which I cannot find any links apart from a holiday resort in the Dolomites).
Yes, throughout the previous century, this was a safe precaution. The trouble is that now the journals, with their control over what is published and WHO does the peer review, alongside the reality of commercial control where science can get the money now to even implement research. (i.e. what Science is done and why?)
This all means that the Journal system now is “captured”. Many Scientists must now resort to publishing on-line and without peer review in order to get an idea aired. A Heartbreaking state of affairs?
The Truth is what the Establishment says it is. Certainly true with the MSM but has now become tragically the case in Science.
Research that was carried out across the Induan states of Goa and Gujarat matched people in pairs for age, profession, gender, occupation, and tested different treatment approaches, concluding in a treatment protocol of providing x12 of 12mg invermection, x12 days dosage of Doxycycline and vitamins C, D3 and zinc, provided to everyone who reported sick with Dekta, which was killing large numbers of the young adults working in the call centres. Infection and death rates dropped to near zero in a very short time of this treatment package being rolled out nationwide.
Other countries allow people to purchase ivermectin but don’t officially acknowledge its usage. Japan’s research on passengers on the Diamond Princess cruise ship in April 2020 determined that the secondary pneumonia responded to antibiotics. The UK, Europe and the United States have high death rates and don’t provide routine antiviral or antibiotic treatment for COVID. This new variant gain of function with 80% mortality even after vaccination is a hybrid of Wuhan and Omicron. Clever huh!
Alyson: Sounds remarkable! Do you have a reference for this study, the one in India?
Research that was carried out in Japan on people who became ill in April 2020 on the cruise ship Diamond Princess examined risks posed by pre existing conditions, different presentations, and contrasted various treatment approaches, and carried out detailed autopsies on those who died. The results were published in the Japan Times. Research in India in 2021 looked at a wide variety of different treatment approaches, including traditional and western medicine.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8184082/
A piece of further research on health workers determined that prophylactic use of ivermectin for essential workers had greatest efficacy at just 2 tablets a month taken at a 5 day interval. Vaccines were not yet available and death rates from Delta were catastrophically high. It either prevented or reduced severity, of infection with COVID, and at a cost of 4 US cents a tablet it was rolled out widely. This research was available online but I cannot find it now. Many countries allow individuals to purchase this cheap low dose medicine, which is safe and effective at very low doses, however research to develop a new effective and safe alternative has been prioritised alongside vaccines. New anti viral medicines are available on the NHS in the U.K. for high risk individuals
Intp1, thanks for the informative post. Not a criticism just for arguments sake:
“ The phase III trials in any case have been severely compromised in that the entire placebo cohort was abandoned after less than 2 months (Rationale -that the placebo group did not deserve not to be protected by the (un-approved) vaccine)”
No so fast Batman! I think we will find plenty of data from other cohorts around the world that didn’t get into the MRNA wonderwaffen to distort the results of vaccines. There are various other vectors that can easily be compared or be a substitute as a ‘placebo’ ‘nocebo’ or just as a alternative to the receipts that of the widespread and variably manufactured items served to us.
I am for instance quite interested in the Israeli and Cuban cohorts.
And what exactly they were given.
The Chinese have made continuous use of extermination instead of elimination along with their trad inactivated virus vaccines.
The Russians apparently are nowhere near widespread in their uptake of the various Cold Virus based versions never mind the high tech creations of the PharmaIndustrialComplex.
There are many such groups around the world that will produce a definitive answer through analysis.
Apparently there is a quote from Kissinger to a WHO group on Eugenics from earlier this century. I won’t quote it as have only seen a newspaper clip photo of it. If it is proved it would be a pretty clear indicator of conspiracy.
Also there are apparently research papers on the vaccines and their ingredients which apparently are not what the manufacturers claim is in these medicines. Again until peer reviewed am not going to quote it.
As I said early on SHOW ME THE UNADULTERATED DATA.
I’ll make up my own mind after analysing it.
Current status – zero Covid vaccines; 2 natural infections two years apart – not fun but not much worse than a bad flu with a very extended recovery to full fitness. Most with double/triple/quadruple+ Have also caught it, some more than once, some still insist on having a boost even after recovering from these infections, they appear to be stuck in a loop.
Ps also zero Flu vaccines people are encouraged to take every year!
Lord save our natural immune systems !
Re Batman
That is why I said severely compromised and not rendered completely useless.
However the fact is that these protocols and intense statistical methodologies are drawn up and approved very precisely prior to conducting the trials and use of external data on uncontrolled unvaccinated non-participants who were not standardized to be statistically identical to the vaccinated cohort. That would be highly irregular and although you can also say that eliminating the placebo cohort is also highly irregular, I can guess that using external data to control the study would be rejected out of hand and honestly not without quite some reasonable rationale.
I think that the studies could make some reasonable assumptions even without the control group but it would be harder to determine the cause and draw conclusions properly. This is what they would hang their hat on and boy would they stick to their guns.
You have to remember it isn’t just the Pharma companies at stake it is the regulators who provisionally approved and who do they work for? The governments above them. These entities would need to have the courage to say, we were wrong, we are responsible for this (deadly) mess. Sorry! you must fire us/vote us out.
Not going to happen IMHO.
I would rather the truth come out into the open and allow NHS services to prepare for the needs of those innocents that took the rat poison, and treat future requirements.
Also those involved in the deliberate misdirection of the the public, by the medical profession, and organisations, held accountable in an impartial court of law.
Quite right. All denialists – particularly the handful of nutcases in the medical profession – should be fully held to account, for spreading disinformation during a public health emergency.
We know who these charlatans are, you denialists keep referring to their crazed youtube appearances.
“If it were determined that covid-19 were human engineered, the backlash would result in massive closure of labs and defunding of the industry. I therefore don’t expect the scientists to tell us that any time soon.”
I would not be so sure, Craig. The fact is that the mainstream media doesn’t engage with any alternative narrative to the whole Covid debacle other than the one they accept as the truth. Indeed, you say ‘the scientists’ as if there are only those scientists who are quoted in mainstream media and yet many highly creditable scientists have said exactly that, dismissing the wet market theory and making a very strong case for human engineering. It’s all researchable. In fact MOST alternative opinions, evidence, facts etc are not aired at all and anyone refuting the mainstream story is collectively labelled as a ‘conspiracy theorist’ or, when highlighting genuine dangers and concerns with the gene therapy (also known as ‘mRNA vaccines’) treatments, ‘anti-vaxxers’. Your belief that there would be some sort of backlash is misplaced in this case. Already, we know there is a lab in Boston that is conducting Gain of Function research into making one of the variants of C-19 even more virulent and deadly, a weaponised version in fact. And yet this is not widely known nor is there any widespread condemnation of it. Why? The msm are silent as they have been throughout and even if the original variant was found to have been manufactured in a lab and then thoughtlessly released, I very much doubt any news channel would pounce on it. Investigative journalism is largely dead unless it’s through substacks, blogs and alt media sites and even then, it can be decried as false news, misinformation or disinformation. Looking at the pitifully attended Covid vaccine damages inquiry of yesterday in Westminster, one realises that very few people are interested in the plight of those who took the jabs in good faith and were subsequently harmed and at worst died. It is a tragedy that goes unacknowledged and unseen. Have a look at the film ‘Safe and Effective: A Second Opinion” to gain an insight, it’s truly awful:
If lack of expertise persuades you not to comment on the covid epidemic, then you should not comment. Your comments simply confirm as much.
«One major issue I have not resolved in my own mind is whether covid-19 was a natural development or an escape from a laboratory of a man made variant.»
That issue to me looks very much like distraction tactics, because the biggest issue by far is why death rates in Scotland, England, USA, and most of the EU have been 10-100 times higher than in New Zealand, Finland, Korea-south, China-mainland, Norway, Thailand, China-Taiwan, Australia, and other countries that have adopted at least for a while a variant of “zero-COVID” containment.
That it is distraction tactics seems also to me suggested by the focus on “man made variant” when a deliberate spreading of the virus could have as well as been done with a naturally occurring variant: whether the virus was man-made or natural is not as important as whether it was spread intentionally or not.
«the backlash would result in massive closure of labs and defunding of the industry»
That would not affect in the least the many secret government and military labs…
Professor Jeffrey Sachs, commission chair of the Lancet has offered a few interviews and discussions in relation to his certainty that CV19 was manufactured in a US lab.. For me, he’s a very grounded and well informed man with deep integrity. There’s nothing sensational in his approach to sharing his insights and information.
The lack of proper investigation into the situation as far as I’m concerned shreaks loudly.
Interestingly enough, a report came out the other week detailing that the Frankenstein scientists have successfully created (in a lab, in USA) through gain of function a hybrid of CV19 which has a kill rate of 80%
Surely one of the most reckless things imaginable.
As far as the Scottish inquiry goes, i feel there are things to cover up… A friend of mine and his partner are part of an ongoing campaign calling for a proper inquiry into the death of her father at a care home in Scotland, where a few elders died after being given Midazolam. There is an issue with this throughout the UK as Midazolam was heavily prescribed during the pandemic when it was known to be highly dangerous when prescribed to elders with respiratory conditions.
One country sensibly banned gain of function testing but then reversed and later sub-contracted some research to another country. Neither country wish to have attention drawn to failings. But why is there so little opposition questioning? It was only a few years ago that gain of function testing was completely outside of the Overton window. Why is the increase of such experimentation now of so little interest.
In my generally uninformed opinion there are two issues that ought to be discussed widely and in depth:
1) gain of function testing
2) consequences of QE and ending QE.
The following article – a link to it, that is – was in a ‘Daily Digest’ three days ago from GMWATCH, which is very interesting, to say the least:
‘Did West Africa’s Ebola Outbreak of 2014 Have a Lab Origin?’
https://www.independentsciencenews.org/health/did-west-africas-ebola-outbreak-of-2014-have-a-lab-origin/
The black cholera of the 1860s killed 70% and people fled, spreading it across the continent, it was called black cholera because cholera has white discharge while this had black discharge. Ebony cholera would presumable be Ebola, so not a new disease
The Lancet: The legacy of the COVID-19 pandemic for childhood vaccination in the USA (Published:October 26, 2022):
…Prof Richard M Carpiano, PhD; CHELSEA CLINTON , DPhil (Doctor of Philosophy); Jad A Elharake, MPH…
Introduction:
“Before the onset of the COVID-19 pandemic, achievements in childhood vaccine coverage in the USA and globally appeared imperiled. Misinformation about vaccines was pervasive. Vaccine hesitancy …was a top ten global health threat… Since the arrival of COVID-19, disruptions to childhood vaccine delivery have further jeopardised childhood vaccination efforts…
Declaration of interests:
PJH is a developer of a COVID-19 vaccine construct, which was licensed by Baylor College of Medicine to Biological E, a commercial vaccine manufacturer for scale-up, production, testing, and licensure. NTB reports personal fees from WHO, CDC, and Merck, outside the submitted work. RMC reports receiving research grant funding from Novo Nordisk Foundation (Denmark), outside the submitted work. RL reports grants from Pfizer, GlaxoSmithKline, Sanofi Pasteur, and Merck, and personal fees from BIO, outside the submitted work. YAM is a member of a data safety monitoring board for Pfizer and a site principal investigator for a Pfizer vaccine trial, outside the submitted work. MMM reports personal fees from law firms representing retail pharmacies and generic drug companies that have sued other drug companies for antitrust law violations, outside the submitted work, and serves as an adviser to Verily Life Sciences on an app designed to facilitate safe return to work and school during the COVID-19 pandemic. DJO reports grants from the US National Institutes of Health, outside the submitted work. DAS reports grants from Merck and personal fees from Pfizer and Janssen, outside the submitted work. All other authors declare no competing interests.”:
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(22)01693-2/fulltext
If I get the gist of the Lancet publishing that paper, they are worried that their meal ticket is holed below the waterline. No longer are all countries persuaded by the lies pedalled by the CDC, FDA, MHRA, EMA etc, and sales of vaccines are falling.
I can recommend ‘Turtles All The Way Down: Vaccine Science And Myth’ that reveals the criminal behaviour of the pharmaceutical companies and their captured regulators in pushing dangerous and often ineffective medical interventions on children.
Apologies if anyone else posted a link to it (I’ve read many, but not ALL the comments) – ie an article on Forbes website last week by Steven Salzberg entitled:
‘Gain-Of-Function Experiments At Boston University Create A Deadly New Covid-19 Virus. Who Thought This Was A Good Idea?’
After all the controversy over the past few years about gain-of-function research on viruses, especially the Covid-19 virus, I thought this kind of work was on hold, at least in the U.S. Indeed, the controversy grew so hot that NIH issued a statement in May of 2021 declaring that it wouldn’t support such work.
Nonetheless, some scientists continue to pursue gain-of-function work. In a new study, just released on the preprint server bioRxiv, a group of virologists at Boston University did the following. They took the Spike protein from the Omicron BA.1 strain of SARS-CoV-2 (that’s the strain that spread throughout the world last winter, often slipping past the protection offered by vaccines) and combined it with an early 2020 strain of the Covid-19 virus.
This experiment gave them a brand-new, never-before-seen strain of Covid-19. Was it more deadly? You bet!
https://www.forbes.com/sites/stevensalzberg/2022/10/24/gain-of-function-experiments-at-boston-university-create-a-deadly-new-covid-19-virus-who-thought-this-was-a-good-idea/?sh=74f569e35ca3
Exactly a year ago: 2 Top FDA Vaccine Officials Resign,Citing Questions About Pressure From White House to Approve Boosters
Dr. Marion Gruber, director of the U.S. Food and Drug Administration’s vaccines office, and her deputy, Dr. Philip Krause, reportedly said they don’t believe there is data to support the Biden administration’s push to offer COVID booster shots later this month.
I just came across this; Gruber was a very senior FDA official.
https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/2-top-fda-regulators-resign-white-house-approve-boosters/
Wow – sounds really serious! Particularly when reported by an incredibly impartial group with the totally non-hysterical name “childrenshealthdefense”…
Children’s Health Defense is an American 501c nonprofit activist group mainly known for anti-vaccine propaganda and has been identified as one of the main sources of misinformation on vaccines.
Sshurely you wouldn’t be using dodgy sources, intp1?? I’m shocked!
Let’s have another quick look…
https://www.msnbc.com/opinion/why-these-covid-vaccine-scientist-resigned-fda-n1278207
Oh, so they announced they would be retiring at a later date, not immediately resigning. An honest mistake from you, I’m sure! And that was for a difference in opinion on timings of announcements, not a fundamental concern over the vaccines per se.
If I didn’t know better, I would swear you’re trying to mislead people!
You might need better glasses.
They resigned effective November 2021, not 2022.
So they resigned once the roll out was under way and the data on harm was clear.
@Steve R
This is the type of reaction you sometimes get (by Glenn_nl). IMO it is a kind of severe cognitive dissonance shock- syndrome. People have swallowed the propaganda (I did too) but then when confronted with the distinct possibility that those on whom we have relied all our lives betrayed us so utterly, an initial reaction can be disbelief and anger. I get the same with some members of my family so I avoid the subject.
Also see this paper which Dr Gruber co-authored (with 17 others) at the time she gave notice, criticizing wholesale roll-out of boosters.
An extract:
Boosting might ultimately be needed in the general population because of waning immunity to the primary vaccination or because variants expressing new antigens have evolved to the point at which immune responses to the original vaccine antigens no longer protect adequately against currently circulating viruses.
Although the benefits of primary COVID-19 vaccination clearly outweigh the risks, there could be risks if boosters are widely introduced too soon, or too frequently, especially with vaccines that can have immune-mediated side-effects (such as myocarditis, which is more common after the second dose of some mRNA vaccines,3 or Guillain-Barre syndrome, which has been associated with adenovirus-vectored COVID-19 vaccines4)
They might outweigh the risks but any normal drug trial would be stopped if so many injuries were reported.
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(21)02046-8/fulltext
I know hardly anybody will be coming to this post but, I am coming across more and more:
The US CDC has just come out with “Myocarditis ‘Likely’ Linked to mRNA Vaccines” – The risk benefit though is still in favor of the vaccines with 215 hospitalizations, against a possible price of 56 to 69 myocarditis cases. However remember that Covid 19 hospitalization counts are for any reason, including e.g. road accidents who happen to have tested positive via the PCR test, even from weeks before :-O.
Ref. https://www.tctmd.com/news/cdc-says-myocarditis-likely-linked-mrna-vaccines-very-rare
Also the following papers in the peer reviewed Journal Circulation.
* “Myocarditis With COVID-19 mRNA Vaccines”
Biykem Bozkurt, Ishan Kamat and Peter J. Hotez
Circulation. Volume 144, Issue 610 August 2021
* “Clinically Suspected Myocarditis Temporally Related to COVID-19 Vaccination in Adolescents and Young Adults: Suspected Myocarditis After COVID-19 Vaccination”
Circulation. Volume 145, Issue 51 February 2022
Then there is the Europeans:
EMA Pharmacovigilance Risk Assessment Committee (PRAC) Meeting highlights from 3-6 May 2021
* PRAC concludes review of unusual blood clots with low blood platelets1 with Janssen’s COVID-19 vaccine
* PRAC assessing reports of myocarditis with Comirnaty and COVID-19 Vaccine Moderna
on Dec 13 2022: Andrew Bridgen M.P. began a debate in the UK Parliament looking at potential harms of vaccines and mid-way through revealed that a whistleblower from a very reliable source had told him that the British Heart Foundation (BHF) had data which was being covered up. According to Mr. Bridgen, the BHF are covering up information about mRNA vaccines causing heart inflammation. They are doing this through fear of losing funding from the pharmaceutical industry. So much so that a prominent leader within the organisation has sent out non-disclosure agreements to his research team preventing them from speaking out.
https://youtu.be/BuOnF6swBcs
Japanese Physician-Scientist Gives Dire Warning About COVID-19 mRNA Vaccines
Dr.Fukushima declared that “the harm caused by vaccines is now a worldwide problem” and that “given the wide range of adverse events, billions of lives could ultimately be in danger.”
Masanori Fukushima, MD, Ph.D.
Director and Chairman, Translational Research Center for Medical Innovation (TRI), Foundation for Biomedical Research and Innovation at Kobe (FBRI)
Professor Emeritus, Kyoto University
Education
1973: M.D. Faculty of Medicine, Nagoya University 1979: Ph.D. Faculty of Medicine, Kyoto University
https://www.globalresearch.ca/top-japanese-physician-scientist-gives-dire-warning-about-covid-19-mrna-vaccines-scientifically-misconceived/5803722
See letter criticizing news organizations and scientific publications that dismissed the possibility that the COVID-19 pandemic might have been the result of a lab leak. Coordinated by the Vandenberg Coalition which included signatures from House Foreign Affairs Committee Chairman Michael McCaul (R-Texas), former U.S. National Security Advisor Robert O’Brien, Former U.S. Deputy National Security Advisor Matthew Pottinger, and analysts from the Heritage Foundation, the Hudson Institute, the Center for Strategic and International Studies (CSIS), and other security and foreign policy analysts.
“Leading scientific journals censored dissenting voices; many science writers at major news outlets promoted narratives or asserted conclusions unsubstantiated by evidence; reporters failed to make even cursory attempts at surfacing potential conflicts of interest of their sources,” the letter states. “This served to hamper national and international policy discussions about how to mitigate against future pandemics of any origin—natural, accidental, or deliberate.”
https://foreignaffairs.house.gov/wp-content/uploads/2023/01/VandenbergCovidLetter%5B21%5D.pdf
In the October 2022 version of the FAA Guide for Aviation Medical Examiners, the FAA quietly widened the EKG parameters beyond the normal range (from a PR max of .2 to unlimited). And they didn’t widen the range by a little. They widened it by a lot. It was done after the vaccine rollout.
This is a tacit admission from the US government that since the COVID vaccine there has been a change in the cardiac health range of US pilots. Such that the previous standards are no longer realistic.
https://www.faa.gov/about/office_org/headquarters_offices/avs/offices/aam/ame/guide/media/archives.pdf
https://www.faa.gov/about/office_org/headquarters_offices/avs/offices/aam/ame/guide/media/archives.pdf
VAERS Summary for COVID-19 Vaccines through 01/14/2022
High-Level Summary USA COVID19 vaccines (Dec’2020 – 01/14/2022)
Number of Adverse Reactions 1,053,830
Number of Life-Threatening Events 25,265
Number of Hospitalizations 118,684
Number of Deaths 22,193*
# of Permanent Disabilities after vaccination 39,150
Number of Office Visits 164,278
# of Emergency Room/Department Visits 113,729
# of Birth Defects after vaccination 835
*Note that the total number of deaths associated with the COVID-19 vaccines is more than double the number of deaths associated with all other vaccines combined since the year 1990.
VAERS is the official US medical Postmarketing surveillance database.
From this Paper by Prof. Mark Skidmore, a prolific paper publisher on: “The role of social circle COVID-19 illness and vaccination experiences in COVID-19 vaccination decisions: an online survey of the United States population”: https://bmcinfectdis.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12879-023-07998-3
Note that the Paper was peer reviewed and published then withdrawn after ‘complaints’. See his interview: https://rumble.com/v2840gm-mark-skidmore-wrote-a-paper-that-goes-against-the-mainstream-narrative.html
Prof. Jeffrey Sachs. Chair of the COVID-19 commission on the virus origin for the UK medical journal The Lancet.: “US biotech cartel behind Covid origins and cover-up”
https://youtu.be/morj-3rdWwM?t=145
This paper discusses the difference in gender propensity for myocarditis linked to the vaccine (Moderna)
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/37470105/
See also this Australian hearing where Pfizer representatives simply refuse point blank to answer what is known regarding the mechanisms behind the vaccine causeing heart problems.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FVe_2T8bd64
Here is another one with proper risk/benefit data:
https://www.hartgroup.org/number-needed-to-vaccinate/
Circa. 19000 people on average have to take the vaccine to avoid 1 death but for every 800 people vaccinated, 1 person suffered adverse events of special interest”(AESI): namely, medically well-defined events that ended in death, or were life-threatening when they occurred, or required hospital treatment.
Never before has any medicine been approved with such awful risk/benefit data
* Interview with Professor Sachs, a commissioner on the Lancet investigation on Covid 19. In particular, latest findings on artificial origin- highly likely deliberate virus engineering and cover-up thereof. https://youtu.be/nyqoBiq7cz8?t=1749
* LEAKED GRANT PROPOSAL DETAILS HIGH-RISK CORONAVIRUS RESEARCH to engineer exact genetic sequence changes seen in SARS-COV2 https://theintercept.com/2021/09/23/coronavirus-research-grant-darpa/
* Lancet Enquiry website
https://www.thelancet.com/commissions/covid19
Ex-CDC Director Says It’s High Time To Admit ‘Significant Side Effects’ Of COVID-19 Vaccines
https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/ex-cdc-director-says-its-high-time-admit-significant-side-effects-covid-19-vaccines
Study of affects of Vaccine on US Pilots and a survey of their beliefs.
https://okstatepilotstudy.com/results/
Note also that Commercial Pilot cardiac requirements were drastically reduced post-covid.